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rkumar
October 22nd, 2013, 07:01 AM
Most Gypsies in Europe believe of their Indian origin. Here is an interesting video of a girl visiting India to find her roots;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6HfenInNEA

RK^2

rkumar
October 22nd, 2013, 07:36 AM
From India to Europe; story of Gypsies;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VNo8fjH4I8I

RK^2

urmiladuhan
October 22nd, 2013, 01:58 PM
I once had a chance to meet these gypsies and they looked very much Indian subcontinent people. Due to relatively little education opportunities, these communities are considered backward in most places they inhabit.


Most Gypsies in Europe believe of their Indian origin. Here is an interesting video of a girl visiting India to find her roots;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=q6HfenInNEA

RK^2

rkumar
October 22nd, 2013, 05:38 PM
Flamenco dance has its origin in Kathak and arrived in Europe through Roma gypsies. Jugalbandi of Kathak and Flamenco is becoming very popular lately. Watch this;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkgPpwhBhHI

It seems Roma Gypsies are rediscovering their Indian roots slowly.

RK^2

urmiladuhan
October 22nd, 2013, 06:31 PM
I think the similarity is certainly a good resource for historians apart from its entertainment value.



Flamenco dance has its origin in Kathak and arrived in Europe through Roma gypsies. Jugalbandi of Kathak and Flamenco is becoming very popular lately. Watch this;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkgPpwhBhHI

It seems Roma Gypsies are rediscovering their Indian roots slowly.

RK^2

singhvp
October 22nd, 2013, 10:44 PM
flamenco dance has its origin in kathak and arrived in europe through roma gypsies. Jugalbandi of kathak and flamenco is becoming very popular lately. Watch this;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rkgppwhbhhi

it seems roma gypsies are rediscovering their indian roots slowly.

Rk^2

फ्लेमिंगो के अलावा ये फ़ालतू टेम मै थोड़ी भोत चोरी और ठ्ग्गी का भी शौक फरमा लेते हैं i मेरी तो बिचारों ने सिर्फ एक बार जेब काटी है, अर सिर्फ एक बार सौ डालर ठगे हैं अब तक i इसके अलावा इनकी लडकियां और औरतें कुछ दूसरे शौक भी रखती हैं i इसलिए इन बिचारे गरीब आदमियों की यूरोप मै इज्ज़त थोड़ी कम सै i वैसे आदमी बढ़िया होते हैं i कल की एक बच्चा चुराने की घटना के लिए भी मीडिया ने इनका नाम उछiल राख्या सै i पता नही कहाँ तक सच है i
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/22/irish-police-remove-blonde-child-roma-family

Blonde girl, 7, removed from Roma family in Ireland

Tipoff leads to removal of seven-year-old girl in Dublin following case in Greece where four-year-old Maria was allegedly abducted

rkumar
October 23rd, 2013, 05:00 AM
Genetic Sequencing Traces Gypsies Back to Ancient Indian Origin

http://blogs.scientificamerican.com/observations/2012/12/06/genetic-sequencing-traces-gypsies-back-to-ancient-indian-origin/

RK^2

rkumar
October 23rd, 2013, 05:05 AM
फ्लेमिंगो के अलावा ये फ़ालतू टेम मै थोड़ी भोत चोरी और ठ्ग्गी का भी शौक फरमा लेते हैं i मेरी तो बिचारों ने सिर्फ एक बार जेब काटी है, अर सिर्फ एक बार सौ डालर ठगे हैं अब तक i इसके अलावा इनकी लडकियां और औरतें कुछ दूसरे शौक भी रखती हैं i इसलिए इन बिचारे गरीब आदमियों की यूरोप मै इज्ज़त थोड़ी कम सै i वैसे आदमी बढ़िया होते हैं i कल की एक बच्चा चुराने की घटना के लिए भी मीडिया ने इनका नाम उछiल राख्या सै i पता नही कहाँ तक सच है i
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/22/irish-police-remove-blonde-child-roma-family

Blonde girl, 7, removed from Roma family in Ireland

Tipoff leads to removal of seven-year-old girl in Dublin following case in Greece where four-year-old Maria was allegedly abducted

Sad part is that these people remain stateless to a large extent even today. Never heard all these Amnesty Internationals to raise their voice for these unfortunate people.

RK^2

Samarkadian
October 24th, 2013, 01:55 AM
Have a look at both pages:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/20/sunday-review/are-the-roma-primitive-or-just-poor.html?pagewanted=1&bicmp=AD&_r=0&bicmet=1385787600000&bicmst=1381809600000&bicmlukp=WT.mc_id

rkumar
October 24th, 2013, 02:43 AM
Have a look at both pages:

http://www.nytimes.com/2013/10/20/sunday-review/are-the-roma-primitive-or-just-poor.html?pagewanted=1&bicmp=AD&_r=0&bicmet=1385787600000&bicmst=1381809600000&bicmlukp=WT.mc_id

Easy to blame these poor Roams for all this. Europeans also have been equally cruel to them. May be India raises their case in European parliament purely on a humanitarian ground.

RK^2

maddhan1979
October 24th, 2013, 06:53 AM
There is lot of fuss and talks about Gypsies through out the world:


Some facts to consider:



It has been proved that the present day Gypsies of Europe migrated from North West Bharat i.e. India, Pakistan, Afghanistan.
Migration of so called Gypsies from North West Bharat happened around 8th century AD due to wars that took place in the name of religion in north west of ancient Bharat.
Now the main question arises who were the people living in North West Bharat around 8th century AD and before 8th century AD?
Alexander the great came to India around 300 years BC, so there were lot of his people who did not leave north west Bharat i.e they were living in North West India, Afghanistan and Pakistan.
Lot of tribal migration happened in the area of North West Bharat for e.g. Scythians last known migration occurred around 4 th century AD, Tocharians, various Turkish tribes also migrated in the same time period and time before that.
Similarly there were all small big tribes which migrated into this area in form of armies or people migrating and trying to find a new place to live.
This kind of migration has been happenening throughout ages, in different lands and different places in the world.
Often some portion of these travelling and migrating people mixed with local populations of the land while a group still tried to maintain their original identity. Often such communities formed their own identities in their new land of migration. This has been happening through out ages.
Interesting fact is, all of these tribes were Indo European tribes who at some point of time either came from Europe or Migrated to Europe e.g, Scythians migrated to parts of central Europe, so did other similar tribes. Lot of Slavic tribes, lot of British tribes can trace their ancestry in similar way.
So, in fact the people who migrated in form of Gypsies around 8th century AD were part of Indo European tribes which were migrating to and from Europe and ancient Bharat over a vast time period.

maddhan1979
October 24th, 2013, 07:05 AM
Migration that happened to and from India, happened in different tribal forms as in ancient times people often traveled in similar group of people, and mostly these groups were made because of similar cultural ties, related families, clans, tribes, etc. So saying that all "So called Gypsies" migrated at one time period, migrated together, migrated through similar root of migration, etc. might not be true.
These people could have been people who left their country of original residence due to wars, and as travelling in ancient times was usually done on horse backs, on bullock carts, etc. these tribes might have taken a long period to reach present day Europe.

maddhan1979
October 24th, 2013, 07:07 AM
So, present day Gypsies in this context become a mixture of different kinds of people who were living in north west of India or ancient Bharat as we call it.

rkumar
October 29th, 2013, 09:01 AM
Interesting radio discussion on Romani language and its similarities with Hindi;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc9bEQBG7EI

RK^2

DrRajpalSingh
October 29th, 2013, 09:06 AM
Interesting radio discussion on Romani language and its similarities with Hindi;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rc9bEQBG7EI

RK^2

For sharing good information, thanks.

rkumar
October 29th, 2013, 09:11 AM
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Roamni Flag which is so similar to our modern day flag, particularly the chakra

RK^2

rkumar
October 29th, 2013, 09:16 AM
Beautiful comparison of Indian and gypsy dance and music;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvEUHW-qoTU

RK^2

DrRajpalSingh
November 19th, 2013, 03:33 PM
Beautiful comparison of Indian and gypsy dance and music;

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CvEUHW-qoTU

RK^2

Hillarious indeed !!!!

Hariom1972
February 9th, 2014, 09:53 PM
Thank you Sir, A very informative thread.

agodara
February 10th, 2014, 11:33 PM
gypsy or roma
belongs to doms of india not jats thanks

DrRajpalSingh
February 12th, 2014, 11:07 AM
gypsy or roma
belongs to doms of india not jats thanks

They are not homogeneous tribe but many writers have identified them as the Jats who were displaced at various points of time from their original home !

bsbana
March 21st, 2014, 01:00 PM
They are not homogeneous tribe but many writers have identified them as the Jats who were displaced at various points of time from their original home !
According to genetic studies they are connected with Dalits of NW India. Probably Dom and Banjara like nomads.

maddhan1979
March 21st, 2014, 09:28 PM
According to genetic studies they are connected with Dalits of NW India. Probably Dom and Banjara like nomads.

As Dr. Rajpal stated that they are not homogeneous tribes and that is true to large extent. If u study more about the so called Roma and other migrating tribes, you will find several nomadic tribes moving in the same direction of migration within a span of few hundred years.

Now there are two points to consider:

1. Do the "Dalits", as u use this word, also not write same family/clan names as Jats and other north western people?
2. Some people say that there is a religious view to their migration which states that Romas/Dom/Banjaras migrated due to extremities created by prevailing religion at their point of migration from North West Bharat.

bsbana
March 22nd, 2014, 10:05 AM
NW tribal groups like Banjara,Dom,etc are more similar to central-Indians.

krishdel
March 22nd, 2014, 12:12 PM
Most of Indian writers does not know anything about JATS or they are anti Jats , their only perception is that those who live in Junglee manner are the JATS. They always correlate all these to JATS, While JATS are one of the civilized Community in India. Not marrying in same village is the Symbol of High level of civilization.



They are not homogeneous tribe but many writers have identified them as the Jats who were displaced at various points of time from their original home !

bsbana
March 23rd, 2014, 10:26 AM
Most upper caste Indian writers are literally hostile to everything which does not belong to them. Word Malecha for foreigners and Dasyu for lower caste is demonstration of this.