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DrRajpalSingh
December 8th, 2013, 03:15 PM
The Vidhan Sabha elections have brought unexpected results for various political parties as well as for common man in street.

Members are requested to share their views/opinions on various lessons that these elections offer for different political parties, intellectuals, media and above all their message to the democracy of India.

For political parties the message is clear perform or be ready to face the consequences of non-performance.

DrRajpalSingh
December 8th, 2013, 03:33 PM
The elections in all the states have been by and large peaceful and without fear or favour the electorate have given their vote to the candidates of their choice. This is a major victory of the people of India, ensured by the election commission of India.

DrRajpalSingh
December 9th, 2013, 09:19 AM
The victory of new entrant AAP in Delhi gives warning bell for the established political parties that ''never underestimate the underdog or a newcomer with a fresh face and message.''

DrRajpalSingh
December 9th, 2013, 09:47 AM
Mrs. Sonia Gandhi says on the issue: "It goes without saying that we are very, very disappointed at the results but we accept the verdict of the people with all humility."

She went on to add :"We have to look into the way we took or did not take our message to the people and also we have to look at the way our own party is equipped or not so equipped in running an election."

DrRajpalSingh
December 9th, 2013, 10:54 AM
New Delhi: The BJP has emerged as the single largest party in the Delhi Assembly elections, but has fallen short of majority with the Aam Aadmi Party winning 28 seats. While the government is yet to be formed, the Association for democratic Reforms has released a report of the criminal and financial backgrounds of the newly elected MLAs.

Read and know the background of newly elected MLAs of Delhi Assembly.


http://ibnlive.in.com/news/delhi-elections-financial-criminal-backgrounds-of-newly-elected-mlas/438540-80-258.html

RathiJi
December 9th, 2013, 01:35 PM
The basic lesson from this election is that never underestimate a common man , never misuse power or chair to press feelings & emotions of a common man, never be biased if you hold a dignified chair, be equal for all. I hope this message is quite clear and loud for everyone

I am back on Jatland after a long gap would like to request our respectful moderators to give some importance to this lesson and help us making Jatland a democratic , un-biased forum which I felt it wasn't.

swaich
December 9th, 2013, 01:47 PM
Hindsight is a beautiful thing and we are able to decipher the reasons behind the results pretty well looking back at them. Many reasons including 'anti-incumbency', corruption, non-performance are being brandished. Ironically, these reasons aren't very different from those in all elections. Is there something different about the electorate this time? Have they got wiser or have the issues changed? Only time will tell. But one thing is certain, in this age of access to rapid information, every govt. will be on its toes to perform. There is also a new player in town in the form of the AAP. They will be an active catalyst in the political system and might just lead the reform.

BJP looks all set to win a majority in the Lok Sabha elections. The battle is now theirs to lose.

Prikshit
December 9th, 2013, 01:47 PM
By and large results are as expected apart from the great show by AAP. A message comes out that who is leading matters and how you connect to the masses is the key. Intresting to see if re-election hold for Delhi.

To add to it percentage of voting and participation of new voters is another trend which changed the elections.

anilsangwan
December 9th, 2013, 01:48 PM
One more lesson : This dirty Indian politics can not be changed by just fasts and anshan ( though these are very good and necessarry means to increase the awareness among masses). One has to take plunge into the mud to do the rest of the job. Today, Kejriwal proved that he wasnt wrong when he suggested to form a party to Anna. In fact, Anna open-heartedly congratulated him yesterday.

anilsangwan
December 9th, 2013, 02:25 PM
Another imp lesson learnt from Delhi results : Vanshvaad aur parivaarvaad ke khilaaf Janata:


List of Losers:
1. अजय मल्होत्रा-भाजपा- ग्रेटर कैलाश- भाजपा नेता प्रोफेसर विजय मल्होत्रा के पुत्र- 13092 (दूसरे स्थान पर)
2. राजीव बब्बर-भाजपा- तिलक नगर-भाजपा नेता ओपी बब्बर के पुत्र- 2088 (दूसरे स्थान पर)
3. जगप्रवेश-कांग्रेस-संगम विहार-कांग्रेस नेता सज्जन कुमार के पुत्र- 8416 (तीसरे स्थान पर)
4. विनय मिश्रा-कांग्रेस-पालम-कांग्रेस सांसद महाबल मिश्रा के पुत्र- 23302 (चौथे स्थान पर)
5. विपिन शर्मा-कांग्रेस-रोहतास नगर-कांग्रेस के पूर्व विधायक रामबाबू शर्मा के पुत्र- 17760 (तीसरे स्थान पर)
6. धनवती चंदीला-कांग्रेस-राजौरी गार्डन- कांग्रेस के विधायक दयाचंद चंदीला की पत्नी-11008 (दूसरे स्थान पर)

DrRajpalSingh
December 9th, 2013, 02:54 PM
Time for introspection for ruling elite and to re-focus on the elimination of irritants agitating the minds of the people !

Prikshit
December 9th, 2013, 03:19 PM
Another imp lesson learnt from Delhi results : Vanshvaad aur parivaarvaad ke khilaaf Janata:


List of Losers:
1. अजय मल्होत्रा-भाजपा- ग्रेटर कैलाश- भाजपा नेता प्रोफेसर विजय मल्होत्रा के पुत्र- 13092 (दूसरे स्थान पर)
2. राजीव बब्बर-भाजपा- तिलक नगर-भाजपा नेता ओपी बब्बर के पुत्र- 2088 (दूसरे स्थान पर)
3. जगप्रवेश-कांग्रेस-संगम विहार-कांग्रेस नेता सज्जन कुमार के पुत्र- 8416 (तीसरे स्थान पर)
4. विनय मिश्रा-कांग्रेस-पालम-कांग्रेस सांसद महाबल मिश्रा के पुत्र- 23302 (चौथे स्थान पर)
5. विपिन शर्मा-कांग्रेस-रोहतास नगर-कांग्रेस के पूर्व विधायक रामबाबू शर्मा के पुत्र- 17760 (तीसरे स्थान पर)
6. धनवती चंदीला-कांग्रेस-राजौरी गार्डन- कांग्रेस के विधायक दयाचंद चंदीला की पत्नी-11008 (दूसरे स्थान पर)
All those seats which Vijay goel gave his supporters are won by AAP. Pls correct if anyone is aware of it

DrRajpalSingh
December 9th, 2013, 03:28 PM
All those seats which Vijay goel gave his supporters are won by AAP. Pls correct if anyone is aware of it

This would be lame excuse to say this or that leader gave tickets to the looser because tickets are allotted by high command or parliamentary board of the parties.

The fact is a bit more was needed to convince the electorate to secure their vote and this the losers irrespective of party affiliations or independent candidates failed to do.

Prikshit
December 9th, 2013, 03:39 PM
This would be lame excuse to say this or that leader gave tickets to the looser because tickets are allotted by high command or parliamentary board of the parties.

The fact is a bit more was needed to convince the electorate to secure their vote and this the losers irrespective of party affiliations or independent candidates failed to do.
Pls don't take it as an excuse, he was possible candidate for CM from BJP, it was his not so good image which harmed BJP a lot. You may not agree but some strong hold BJP seats were lost not becuase of AAP but aapsi kalah or internal politics.

singhvp
December 9th, 2013, 05:03 PM
BJP looks all set to win a majority in the Lok Sabha elections. The battle is now theirs to lose.

But opinion polls are suggesting otherwise. According to som of the exit polls the 'conglomerate' of parties other than the two mainstream parties is leading. Can you please provide a state-wise analysis. Don't underestimate AAP. It will be a game changer.

DrRajpalSingh
December 9th, 2013, 06:39 PM
Pls don't take it as an excuse, he was possible candidate for CM from BJP, it was his not so good image which harmed BJP a lot. You may not agree but some strong hold BJP seats were lost not becuase of AAP but aapsi kalah or internal politics.

But in this election personal image of the candidate in the minds of the people of the constituency is also said to be a major factor for his/her victory or defeat ! But I have no idea about the reasons about which you might be better informed and internal bickering might have been one of the reasons of their defeat.

DrRajpalSingh
December 9th, 2013, 06:44 PM
Coming to the lessons of these elections, it emerges that people want good governance coupled with corruption free rule,

DrRajpalSingh
December 9th, 2013, 06:50 PM
But opinion polls are suggesting otherwise. According to som of the exit polls the 'conglomerate' of parties other than the two mainstream parties is leading. Can you please provide a state-wise analysis. Don't underestimate AAP. It will be a game changer.

Who are the constituents of this 'conglomerate'; could you specify state wise share given to this conglomerate by these 'some' futurologists!

singhvp
December 9th, 2013, 08:21 PM
Who are the constituents of this 'conglomerate'; could you specify state wise share given to this conglomerate by these 'some' futurologists!
Most of the parties excluding Congress, BJP and few more. To name a few: JDU, RJD, CPI, CPI(M), CPI, BJD, AIADMK, SP, JMM, NCP, JD(S), BSP (Perhaps). Depending on the weather parties like TDP, NC, Akali Dal, Muslim League etc., who are the fence sitters, are not averse to joining the third front. Recently, there was a conclave of 13 parties in Delhi who pledged to thwart any move by BJP to come to power. You may like to google the archives.


Published on Oct 30, 2013
9 pm khas baat : NEW DELHI: Amid efforts to form a Third Front, several regional parties including Left, JD(U), AIADMK, BJD and UPA ally NCP came together at a convention in New Delhi with their leaders pitching for unity among them to defeat the "threat" from fascist and communal forces".

swaich
December 9th, 2013, 08:32 PM
But opinion polls are suggesting otherwise. According to som of the exit polls the 'conglomerate' of parties other than the two mainstream parties is leading. Can you please provide a state-wise analysis. Don't underestimate AAP. It will be a game changer.

Exit polls have seldom got it right :)

AAP is game changer, but my assessment is that its playing field is limited to Delhi. There are barely four months to go for the Lok Sabha elections. It took AAP more than a year to establish itself in Delhi. I think it will be tall order to convert this initial fillip to countrywide success in a matter of months. Not to forget, we are still to see what candidates AAP puts up for LS elections in Delhi. Untill now, all its attention was focused on VS elections in Delhi.

Honestly, AAP will do itself no harm by playing for the long term and not rushing with candidates for 2014 LS elections. It must consolidate, and repeat its Delhi strategy in other locations but without rushing as that could lead to mistakes.

singhvp
December 9th, 2013, 10:44 PM
Exit polls have seldom got it right :)

AAP is game changer, but my assessment is that its playing field is limited to Delhi. There are barely four months to go for the Lok Sabha elections. It took AAP more than a year to establish itself in Delhi. I think it will be tall order to convert this initial fillip to countrywide success in a matter of months. Not to forget, we are still to see what candidates AAP puts up for LS elections in Delhi. Untill now, all its attention was focused on VS elections in Delhi.

Honestly, AAP will do itself no harm by playing for the long term and not rushing with candidates for 2014 LS elections. It must consolidate, and repeat its Delhi strategy in other locations but without rushing as that could lead to mistakes.


Yes, about the exit polls, I agree with you to a great extent. But, AAP is all set to field its candidates nationwide in the coming elections. One of their spokespersons (Reddy) informed, while speaking in a TV debate the other day, that the party is all set to go in for the general elections. I think, there is sufficient time to find suitable candidates and they must field candidates on all the seats.

rekhasmriti
December 10th, 2013, 01:31 AM
As every other thread talks about BJP 4-0 ( almost ) victory , AAP good Show and Congress Failure .

Irrespective of who wins or losses -----sigh of relief .....atleast now " Congress " would not have any face to bring forward " Communal Bill " for Votes else like any other bills this also could have been passed .

DrRajpalSingh
December 10th, 2013, 09:37 AM
Most of the parties excluding Congress, BJP and few more. To name a few: JDU, RJD, CPI, CPI(M), CPI, BJD, AIADMK, SP, JMM, NCP, JD(S), BSP (Perhaps). Depending on the weather parties like TDP, NC, Akali Dal, Muslim League etc., who are the fence sitters, are not averse to joining the third front. Recently, there was a conclave of 13 parties in Delhi who pledged to thwart any move by BJP to come to power. You may like to google the archives.

Thanks Friend for sharing the information !

swaich
December 10th, 2013, 01:11 PM
Yes, about the exit polls, I agree with you to a great extent. But, AAP is all set to field its candidates nationwide in the coming elections. One of their spokespersons (Reddy) informed, while speaking in a TV debate the other day, that the party is all set to go in for the general elections. I think, there is sufficient time to find suitable candidates and they must field candidates on all the seats.

It is indeed exciting to see AAP progress and none would be happier than me to see them evolve as a nationwide alternate option. They should aim to field candidates for the LS elections but in a targeted fashion. Political scenarios vary from state to state and in some states regional parties are very strong eg. Tamil Nadu. Congress and BJP are nowhere to be seen here. Choosing a wrong candidate or taking up the wrong issue in these states can put a spanner in AAP's efforts and these are still early days. That is why I suggest a consolidate and assess approach.

DrRajpalSingh
December 10th, 2013, 03:36 PM
Undoubtedly these elections are verdict against Congress. But in these elections, the voters have rejected the politics of entitlement too.

They have voted cutting across caste, class, religious and social barriers. The focus of the electorate seems to be on corruption free, people oriented governance. So, it is timely warning to the established political parties to reinvent their policies and programmes and then rise to the occasion to face the coming parliamentary elections keeping in view the mood of the voters.

sanjaymalik
December 10th, 2013, 04:18 PM
Yes, about the exit polls, I agree with you to a great extent. But, AAP is all set to field its candidates nationwide in the coming elections. One of their spokespersons (Reddy) informed, while speaking in a TV debate the other day, that the party is all set to go in for the general elections. I think, there is sufficient time to find suitable candidates and they must field candidates on all the seats.

Uncle ji..it seems AAP has clarified that they will contest Lok Sabha Election in all States, but I doubt the boost will be same as in Delhi. there are number of factors to this performance. if you will see most of AAP supporter & worker are volunteer from other states & even NRI’s . AAP was completely focused on Delhi with its all ammunition, centralization of their all resource this time in Delhi. But in Lok Sabha, there all focus will be decentralized, and chance of success may be negligible.

In Delhi the crowed is different from States, and there are number of other factors which matters at local level which I think you may know better.

Yes, they have made excellent debut in politics and on the path of change the future of Indian politics ( it seems from their ideological origin), but will be litmus test in coming time, how they will be able to deliver the good governance and corruption free India and to what extent stick to their honest ideology.

its for sure they open the vote share % in Lok Sabha also.

DrRajpalSingh
December 10th, 2013, 04:56 PM
Yes, The litmus test of AAP has to begin now with their victory in Delhi Assembly elections. Much will depend on their political behaviour as a responsible political party.

Now they have to prove for the time being in Delhi that they are different from other political parties and deliver according to the expectations of the voters ! This fact will have far reaching impact on their future.

RathiJi
December 10th, 2013, 06:35 PM
Undoubtedly these elections are verdict against Congress. But in these elections, the voters have rejected the politics of entitlement too.

They have voted cutting across caste, class, religious and social barriers. The focus of the electorate seems to be on corruption free, people oriented governance. So, it is timely warning to the established political parties to reinvent their policies and programmes and then rise to the occasion to face the coming parliamentary elections keeping in view the mood of the voters.


Happened in Delhi not in Rajasthan,MP and CHG. Unfortunately, caste, creed & religion will play a major role in general election at least in 2014 but there is a ray hope for future.

For ex- many Jats will vote for Congress in Haryana because there is a Bhupinder & Deependra same is with some cluster of votes to Ajit Singh in UP.

DrRajpalSingh
December 10th, 2013, 08:55 PM
Happened in Delhi not in Rajasthan,MP and CHG. Unfortunately, caste, creed & religion will play a major role in general election at least in 2014 but there is a ray hope for future.

For ex- many Jats will vote for Congress in Haryana because there is a Bhupinder & Deependra same is with some cluster of votes to Ajit Singh in UP.

Agreed this was the scenario in Delhi elections !

desijat
December 10th, 2013, 09:05 PM
For ex- many Jats will vote for Congress in Haryana because there is a Bhupinder & Deependra same is with some cluster of votes to Ajit Singh in UP.

And same, rather more so true for INLD which only fights elections on Jat factor.

But I believe in Haryana Jats will vote for Hoodas for reservation, not jat factor.