Jats and Rajputs

[maddhan1979]

The greatest sufferers of northwestern Indian conflicts have been both the communities i.e. Jats and Rajputs, throughout ages they have fought many wars in different forms and this has taken toll on their social, community and family life.

[maddhan1979]

It is sad and pathetic to see, although both of these communities are found in both the religions i.e. Hindu and Muslims and both these communities ancestors fought in the name of religion, country and land, yet both of these communities are the most deprived. They have the least say in the state and central governments and the governance process of north western Bharat.

[swaich]

Interesting point. Have Jats and Rajputs been under-represented in political matters in NW India? Why do you say so?

Punjab, Haryana and Raj have had multiple Jat and Rajput CMs. More than other communities. If still you feel the two communities are deprived then where does the blame lie - inwards or outwards?

[ssgoyat]

The greatest sufferers of northwestern Indian conflicts have been both the communities i.e. Jats and Rajputs, throughout ages they have fought many wars in different forms and this has taken toll on their social, community and family life.

you're right Man.

Govt should make a detailed survey of each and every household of these two communities, their parental lineage and trace back their ancestors who have fought wars against invaders from centuries and have their families suffered (social, comunal , family life) and make a detailed scorecard on many parameters and give % rating to arrive at final % point and then distribute that score on pro rata basis/equally to the present living families, and issue special cards to them. So they their present families can take benifits of things that you might wish to write in your next posts.

[maddhan1979]

Interesting point. Have Jats and Rajputs been under-represented in political matters in NW India? Why do you say so?

Punjab, Haryana and Raj have had multiple Jat and Rajput CMs. More than other communities. If still you feel the two communities are deprived then where does the blame lie - inwards or outwards?

Just having a "Chief minister" from a community does not mean anything. What about ground reality and work. These communities are not limited to just the above mentioned three states, there are other states as well which have a large share of both these communities, their situation in other states have deteriorated. Both these communities own their origin in discipline and order as both these communities have an extensive background history in civil and military work, yet both these communities are at receiving end and not at policy forming ends for the state, which makes a very big difference.

[avinashb]

The greatest sufferers of northwestern Indian conflicts have been both the communities i.e. Jats and Rajputs, throughout ages they have fought many wars in different forms and this has taken toll on their social, community and family life.

राजपूतों के साथ बेहतर सम्बन्ध बनाने की सारी ठेकेदारी जाटों ने ही ले रखी है क्या ?
जाट तो चलो सब गीले शिकवे भुलाकर राजपूतों के साथ बनाकर चल भी पड़े ।
लेकिन इतिहास गवाह है राजपूतों ने हमेशा जाटों के साथ गद्दारी की है । सबसे पहली गद्दारी वीर प्रताप सिंह ने चौधरी देवीलाल जी के साथ की जब वो धोखे से प्रधान मंत्री बने ।
हांसी के ठाकुर वेदपाल सिंह तंवर ने हरियाणा में गैर जाट संगठन खोल रखा है जहाँ जाटों की हमेशा बुराई की जाती है । इसी घटिया ठाकर ने मिर्चपुर कांड में फंसे बेक़सूर जाटों के खिलाफ झूठी गवाही देने के लिए वाल्मीकि समुदाय के लोगों को भड़काया |
मुज़ज़फरनगर में भी राजपूतों ने जाटों का साथ नहीं दिया । भड़काने के समय तो ठाकुर विधायक संगीत सोम और सुरेश राणा सामने आ गए लेकिन जब जाट मुसलमानो के हाथ मारे जा रहे थे तब कोई राजपूत जाटों की मदद के लिए आगे नहीं आया । जब ये दोनों विधायक गिरफ्तार किये गए तब गिरफ़्तारी के विरोध में राजपूत अपनी महा -पंचायत बुला लेते है ।
२०१३ में राजस्थान में हुए थे तब बाडमेर में राजपूतों और जाटों की पंचायत में ये फैसला हुआ था कि दोनों समुदाय भाजपा का साथ देंगे । समझौता हुआ था कि बाडमेर विधान सभा से राजपूत डॉक्टर प्रियंका चौधरी (जाट ) को वोट देंगे और शिव विधानसभा से जाट मानवेन्द्र सिंह (राजपूत ) को वोट देंगे । दोनों उम्मीदवार भाजपा से थे और भाजपा की लहर थी । जब नतीज़े आये तब मानवेन्द्र सिंह तो जीत गया लेकिन प्रियंका चौधरी कांग्रेसी उम्मीदवार मेवाराम जैन(बनिए) के हाथों हार गयी । ये दिखाता है कि राजपूत आज भी जाटों को धोखा देते है |
राजस्थान में सबसे ज्यादा सांसद जाटों ने भेजे लेकिन फिर भी ज्यादा प्रतिनिधत्व राजपूतों को मिला । जाटों को हलके महकमों का मंत्री बनाया गया जबकि राजपूतों को बढ़िया मंत्री पद मिला ।
जब लाल चंद कटारिया जी(जाट ) को पहले रक्षा राज्य मंत्री बनाया गया लेकिन जीतेन्द्र सिंह (राजपूत ) से ये बात नहीं पची और उसने लालचंद जी का महकमा बदलवा कर ग्रामीण विकास करवा दिया और खुद रक्षा राज्य मंत्री और खेल मंत्री भी बन गया । ये हाल तो तब है जब सबको पता है कि राजस्थान में राजपूत भाजपा के वोटर है ,कांग्रेस के नहीं |
http://articles.timesofindia.indiatimes.com/2012-10-31/india/34836011_1_defence-ministry-jitendra-singh-jats

राजपूतों को हमेशा प्रतिनिधत्व मिला है खासकर भाजपा में । राजनाथ सिंह तो भाजपा के राष्ट्रीय अध्यक्ष है । भाजपा में तो जाट है ही नहीं ,अगर है तो प्रवक्ता और किसान मोर्चा के अध्यक्ष । भाजपा पार्टी के फैसलों में जाटों की राय नहीं ली जाती ।वसुंधरा राजे सिंधिया की टीम में भी जाट नहीं है जबकि उसे मुख्य मंत्री बनवाने में जाटों का बड़ा योगदान है |फिर भी जाट उसे अपनी बहु मानकर वोट देते है |

[ssgoyat]

Jo community apne andar hi andar ek dusare ko suffer karti rahegi, uska tab tak bhala nahi ho sakta jab tak wo khud na badlein.

[avinashb]

Jo community apne andar hi andar ek dusare ko suffer karti rahegi, uska tab tak bhala nahi ho sakta jab tak wo khud na badlein.
Jat to badal jayenge lekin Rajput nahi badlenge ... Pta nahi apne aap ko kyon superior samajhte hai ??

Both Jat and Rajput are martial race .. They could not get Army Chief from their community since independence ..
Gen. V.K. Singh was first Rajput Army Chief and today also we did not have any Army Chief from Jat Community .. If everything happens normally,then we will get Lt. Gen. Dalbir Singh Suhag ji as first Jat Army Chief after the retirement of Gen. Bikram Singh in May 2014.

Gen. V.K. Singh was so jealous of Lt. Gen. Dalbir Singh Suhag that he deliberately started enquiry of corruption against Lt. Gen Suhag before his retirement so that his Confedential Report gets tainted and he could not Army Chief in future. But Lt. Gen. Suhag got justice when Cabinet Secretary gave him clean chit and enquiry against him was withheld.

[ssgoyat]

Jat to badal jayenge lekin Rajput nahi badlenge ... Pta nahi apne aap ko kyon superior samajhte hai ??

Both Jat and Rajput are martial race .. They could not get Army Chief from their community since independence ..
Gen. V.K. Singh was first Rajput Army Chief and today also we did not have any Army Chief from Jat Community .. If everything happens normally,then we will get Lt. Gen. Dalbir Singh Suhag ji as first Jat Army Chief after the retirement of Gen. Bikram Singh in May 2014.

Gen. V.K. Singh was so jealous of Lt. Gen. Dalbir Singh Suhag that he deliberately started enquiry of corruption against Lt. Gen Suhag before his retirement so that his Confedential Report gets tainted and he could not Army Chief in future. But Lt. Gen. Suhag got justice when Cabinet Secretary gave him clean chit and enquiry against him was withheld.

- Koe na, Bikram Singh ka hath hai app to Suhag pe... He lifted Discipline & Vigilance ban on him, within a week of his becoming the chief.
- Suhag has been promoted to Vice Chief. Now, this clearly indicates change of plan in the line of succession.
Baaki Suhag ne corruption kiya ya nahi kiya, ye internal issue hai fauj ki jiske bare me hame baharwalo ko kuch nahi pata, to ispar behas karna fizool hoga.
Haan par itna hai ki kisi clean image (VK) wale ne corruption ka iljam lagaya hai, to kuch to locha kiya hoga.

- Aur agar Suhag General ban bhi gaya to is se jaato ka kya bhala ho jayega? kya wo jat % in recruitment badhwa sakenge? ya gaam guhaand ke balak e fauj me bharti karwa sakenge? .... answer is NO.

kimme bhale karam karr rakkhe honge to General bann bhi jyaga chahe koe kitne rode atkaa le... top defence post me bohot partybazzi chalti hai.... arr jat ke ye sab bas ke nahi karne..