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maddhan1979
May 17th, 2014, 10:12 PM
http://www.bedawi.com/Sinai_Archeology_EN.html

Worth concentrating:

"There are moments in Sinai when one feels as if the history of the entire world can be read in its stones.

In many places visitors from thousands of years ago literally recorded their passage in stone, as at the Rock of Inscriptions near Dahab and at Serabit El Khadim, near ancient mining sites where archaeologists have discovered carvings that record the very earliest emergence of our alphabet. This is called the Proto-Sinaitic alphabet from which the Semitic languages derived and the western alphabet as we know it today."


The root word is "Sinai" or "Sin" or "Sina".

I do not know, if "Scythian" or some allied horse riding nomadic tribe has some migration to this area at any point of time in ancient history.

maddhan1979
May 17th, 2014, 10:32 PM
The name Sinai has been variously derived from the Semitic word 'sen', meaning 'tooth', in reference to the numerous mountain peaks of the area – or from the word 'sin', the goddess of the moon venerated in prehistoric times.


We must remember that it says "godess of the moon", which seems to more probable answer, reasons for which, i will come back later.

maddhan1979
May 17th, 2014, 10:36 PM
Interesting to read:

The most ancient of Sinai’s elements are its craggy southern mountains, whose weatherworn granite dates from the Precambrian period, more than 600 million years ago....

Less old, though more expressive, are the dozens of wadi’s or fossilized riverbeds that define the terrain all over the Sinai Peninsula.

From the depth and frequency of the wadis, we can tell that Sinai was at one time a lush and fertile region.


Strange prehistoric structures were found as the Desert Kites and the Nawamis.

Desert Kites are triangular built stone walls with the tip leading downhill and they were presumably used to entrap gazelles.

Nawamis are roofed rooms with an opening to the west and can be found in different areas. These are understood to be ancient burial chambers of the early Bronze Age. Some of them are in an excellent state and they were presumably used by nomads for ceremonies or as resting places during their journeys.

The (so far) earliest presence of Egyptian Pharaohs in Sinai dates back to the first dynasty in 2600 BC.

It therefore dates back to the time before King Narmar succeeded in getting the two former independent kingdoms (Lower Egypt with the papyrus and Upper Egypt with the lotus as a symbol of state) to unite the first Egyptian the first Egyptian pharaonic dynasty began in 3100 BC.

The pharaohs got their copper and turquoise from Sinai.
In Wadi Maghara a bas-relief portraying Pharaoh Sekhemkhet was discovered.


There are moments in Sinai when one feels as if the history of the entire world can be read in its stones.

In many places visitors from thousands of years ago literally recorded their passage in stone, as at the Rock of Inscriptions near Dahab and at Serabit El Khadim, near ancient mining sites where archaeologists have discovered carvings that record the very earliest emergence of our alphabet. This is called the Proto-Sinaitic alphabet from which the Semitic languages derived and the western alphabet as we know it today.

Many rocks with ‘graffiti’ can be found of Nabatean times during the 2ndand 3rd century AD and Roman and Byzantine inscriptions.

Today, it is the Sinai’s brilliant coral reefs, its striking mountains and deserts and its enormous cultural heritage that hold the future once again, though in a very different way, the history of Sinai seems to be written in the land itself.

Only in recent years and for the first time, the history of Sinai seems to be emerging as a story about the land itself – its artefacts, its people and its extraordinary natural beauty – rather than the story of those who pass through this land.

maddhan1979
May 17th, 2014, 10:38 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nawamis

maddhan1979
May 17th, 2014, 10:41 PM
Who were these 4000 years old people?

lrburdak
May 17th, 2014, 10:58 PM
You can read here -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinai_Peninsula


Etymology: The name Sinai may have been derived from the ancient moon-god Sin or from the Hebrew word "Seneh" (Hebrew: סֶ֫נֶּה‎, Senneh) The peninsula acquired the name due to the assumption that a mountain near Saint Catherine's Monastery is the Biblical Mount Sinai. However this is contested.

maddhan1979
May 18th, 2014, 06:34 AM
http://www.jatland.com/home/Sinsini

maddhan1979
May 18th, 2014, 06:38 AM
http://www.jatland.com/home/SinsiniIt is possible that such places got their names after migrating tribes settled there. One has to do some concrete archaeological excavation work at such places and not rely on myths and religious crap.

maddhan1979
May 18th, 2014, 06:32 PM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fertile_Crescent

maddhan1979
May 18th, 2014, 06:47 PM
For understanding the tribal migrations, in Arabian peninsula, we need to look at two things:

1. Proto Arabian horse
2. Hunting using bird of prey i.e. Baz.


Hunting with bird of prey i.e. Baz is a common feature in central asia planes.
http://equiki.wikidot.com/arabian-horse#toc4


Most of the artikles that we study we find presence of proto Arabian horse only till 4000 to 5000 years BC. What about before 4000 to 5000 BC.

Where was proto Arabian horse?

Horse as i have been able to understand is a product of grasslands and plains.

Was central Asia an evolutionary area for horses or horses were roaming wild in central asian planes for a long time in history?

Where were horses during last ice age is another important question.

maddhan1979
May 19th, 2014, 09:30 AM
http://www.jatland.com/home/Sinsini


Lot of the information in this Wikipedia does not seem to be backed by Archaeological facts. Lot of the things that are written seem to be based on "stories, myths, religious crap etc.". This is an irony of Indian culture everything is based on religious/mythological fluidity and not hard facts, such fluidity has no archaeological backing.

The problem with "Myths" is that there might not be any archaeological backing or solid facts behind the entire myth.

maddhan1979
May 19th, 2014, 10:32 AM
Lot of the information in this Wikipedia does not seem to be backed by Archaeological facts. Lot of the things that are written seem to be based on "stories, myths, religious crap etc.". This is an irony of Indian culture everything is based on religious/mythological fluidity and not hard facts, such fluidity has no archaeological backing.

The problem with "Myths" is that there might not be any archaeological backing or solid facts behind the entire myth.


The more east a person goes in India, the language becomes more distorted and moves away from the original sound of the word.

The original word is "Sin" or "Sina" in its place of origin and tribal migrations. Therefore the words which sound more close to the word "sin" are more close to the original tribal roots and people.

maddhan1979
May 20th, 2014, 10:48 AM
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nawamis


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=52fum_ApQNQ

maddhan1979
May 21st, 2014, 10:22 AM
The name Sinai has been variously derived from the Semitic word 'sen', meaning 'tooth', in reference to the numerous mountain peaks of the area – or from the word 'sin', the goddess of the moon venerated in prehistoric times.


We must remember that it says "godess of the moon", which seems to more probable answer, reasons for which, i will come back later.


As i stated:
Here is the root word "Sin":

Mesopotamian moon god. He was called Nanna in Sumerian, and Su'en or Sin in Akkadian.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/545523/Sin

maddhan1979
May 21st, 2014, 10:26 AM
As i stated:
Here is the root word "Sin":

Mesopotamian moon god. He was called Nanna in Sumerian, and Su'en or Sin in Akkadian.

http://www.britannica.com/EBchecked/topic/545523/Sin

Family name "Sinsinwar" directly connects with "Sin":

http://www.jatland.com/home/Sinsinwar

maddhan1979
May 21st, 2014, 10:33 AM
Family name "Sinsinwar" directly connects with "Sin":

http://www.jatland.com/home/Sinsinwar


Ancient Sumarian civilization :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumer

It was a "Akkadian Empire"

It is very probable that family name Kadian:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kadiyan

comes from root word :

Akkadian


​http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akkadian_Empire

maddhan1979
May 21st, 2014, 10:35 AM
Ancient Sumarian civilization :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumer

It was a "Akkadian Empire"

It is very probable that family name Kadian:

http://www.jatland.com/home/Kadiyan

comes from root word :

Akkadian


​http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akkadian_Empire


We must remember that when people travel from one place to another they take their "Language" and "root words with them" to the new place.

So even after many hundreds and thousands of years root words remain same.

maddhan1979
May 21st, 2014, 10:41 AM
Ancient Sumarian civilization :

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sumer

It was a "Akkadian Empire"

It is very probable that family name Kadian:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kadiyan

comes from root word :

Akkadian


​http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akkadian_Empire


We also have a Jat family name called "Basra". Which was again an ancient "Iraqi city".

Now the main question is who were the people who settled these cities in ancient past and where did they come from?

maddhan1979
May 21st, 2014, 10:51 AM
We also have a Jat family name called "Basra". Which was again an ancient "Iraqi city".

Now the main question is who were the people who settled these cities and where did they come from?


In India there is lot of religious crap spread through handling of genealogy and ancestry records by certain sections of the people, who believe in "Brahm" or "brahmit" or "wrong information" , often such "myths" are not backed by any archaeological and scientific facts. Often, in such "Mythological and religious" recordings or statements, "human biases, prejudices and misinformation" plays a major role. Such information is passed on through generations and converted into demi-gods thereby making more scope for "Idol-Worship" and wrong information.

maddhan1979
May 21st, 2014, 12:41 PM
In India there is lot of religious crap spread through handling of genealogy and ancestry records by certain sections of the people who believe in "Brahm" or "myth", often such "myths" are not backed by any archaeological and scientific facts. Often in such "Mythological and religious" recordings or statements, human biases, prejudices and misinformation plays a major role. Such information is passed on through generations and converted into demi-gods and making more scope for "Idol-Worship" and wrong information.


The concept of "Bharat" is not present in "Idol Worship" or whorship of "Rama" or worship of "Krishna" or "Worship of Shiva" or who so ever.

Rather the concept of "Bharat" is present in realizing the true ancient past, human migrations, common origins of people and tribes.

Such concepts are totally absent in majority of the people in the country due to bad education sector, religious groups, vested interests, misinformation, so on.

maddhan1979
May 21st, 2014, 12:48 PM
Is it possible that "Sinsinwar" is originally "Sinsinval" like so many other family names e.g. "Bakarval", Sabbarval, so on.


The "Val" concept originally means "coming from". So in this sense "Sinsinvar" becomes people coming from "Sin tribe" or people using the totem "Sin".

maddhan1979
May 21st, 2014, 01:03 PM
Is it possible that "Sinsinwar" is originally "Sinsinvar" like so many other family names e.g. "Bakarval", Sabbarval, so on.


The "Val" concept originally means "coming from". So in this sense "Sinsinvar" becomes people coming from "Sin tribe" or people using the totem "Sin".


Or in more ancient terms "Sinsinvar" becomes:

"The moon god" or the "God of the people who have Moon totem/clan"

maddhan1979
May 23rd, 2014, 09:10 PM
http://www.jatland.com/home/Sinsini


The "early history section" on this web page seems to be influenced by mythology and religion. Is there any archaeological evidence of the stated history of this area? As per the root sound and word relates with the travelling people who settled there. The concept of "Kull" like "Gokulla" again seems to be heavily influenced by religious backing. Glorification of "Cow" as an object of worship is heavily influenced by religious colors. The real fact is, if people are travelling from one place to another with their livestock, they are going to use its milk for food, skin for clothing, shoes, etc, meat for food. For ages, this has been a trend of people who came from some place and settled at another place.

People who preach religion and advocate religion depend on religion as their source of livelihood. New religions, new thoughts about life are always decremental to their already established authority, power and money. One of the easy ways to promote religion and make it your source of livelihood, power and strength is to increase the number of followers.
Now the main question is how to increase the number of followers?
Let us go back in history, when people were travelling in tribes and settling in new places. Each tribe will always carry root words that will recognize them. Each tribe will carry animals that will feed them.
Now how to make tribes join the religion?
The most common way of joining the tribes is distorting their original historical existence and combining something common that these travelling tribes had.
The most common thing that each migrating and travelling tribe had was the need for food and the food depended on the animals that these people brought along or found in the way of their migration. In ancient times, when humans were more dependent on nature, when rivers were not tamed (tamed by building dams on the rivers, so that the rivers will not break their banks,The word "Tamed" is used because it connects with the original thought of humans who used to worship and consider elements of the nature in form of animals), when jungles were filled with animals which were dangerous to human life, the most prized possession were the livestock or the animals, that these tribes had for their food supply.
Sharing of food and hospitality has been a major feature of many cultures. Therefore sharing of animals, travelling with the people was also common feature, when they arrived in new migration places.
Sharing livestock (animals) does not mean that all of the people who used these animals owned these animals or were the original owners of these animals. Now comes the role of religion, if religion wants to spread then it needs to increase it strength by incensing its number of people. Then the "owners of religion" would try to gather strength by increasing the number of animals in their stock and ask the "followers or the "new supposed to be followers" "to present/give some offerings to the people running the religion or the owners of the religion" and often the offering to "religion owners" was "in the name of god" and "in the form of most prized possessions that these tribes had and that was most of the times in the form of animals/livestock e.g. cow, chickens, money/gold, etc. and in this way some of the "preachers of religion" became the "owners of these animals/wealth, etc.", this does not mean that they were the real owners or the original owners of the livestock/wealth/etc.

maddhan1979
May 23rd, 2014, 09:30 PM
The early history section on this web page seems to be influenced by mythology and religion. Is there any archaeological evidence of the stated history of this area. As per the root sound and word relates with the travelling people who settled there. The concept of "Kull" like "Gokulla" again seems to be heavily influenced by religious backing. Glorification of "Cow" as an object of worship is heavily influenced by religious colors. The real fact is if people are travelling from one to another with their livestock, they are going to use its milk for food, skin for clothing, shoes, etc, meat for food. For ages, this has been a trend of people who came from some place and settled at another place.

People who preach religion and advocate religion depend on religion as their source of livelihood. New religions, new thoughts about life are always decremental to the authority, power and money to such people. One of the easy ways to promote religion and make it your source of livelihood, power and strength is to increase the number of followers.
Now the main question is how to increase the number of followers?
Let us go back in history, when people were travelling in tribes and settling in new places. Each tribe will always carry root words that will recognize them. Each tribe will carry animals that will feed them.
Now how to make tribes join the religion?
The most common way of joining the tribes is distorting their original historical existence and combining something common.
The most common thing that each migrating and travelling tribe had food and the food was inform of animals. In ancient times, when humans were more dependent on nature, when rivers were not tamed, when jungles were filled with animals which were dangerous to human life, the most prized posession were the livestock or the animals, that these tribes had for their food supply.
Sharing of food and hospitality has been a major feature of many cultures. Therefore sharing of animals travelling with the people was also common feature, when they arrived in new migration places.
Sharing livestock (animals) does not mean that all of the people who used these animals owned these animals or were the original owners of these animals. Now comes the role of religion, if religion wants to spread then it needs to increase it strength by incensing its number of people. Then the "owners of religion" would try to gather strength by increasing the number of animals in their stock and ask the "followers or the new supposed to be followers" to present some offerings and in this way some of the "preachers of religion" became the "owners of these animals", this does not mean that they were the real owners or the original owners.


Now coming to the point:

The root word "Sin"

Throughout the world the root words remain same. Any linguist will tell you so and remember a linguist is a scientific person and not a mythological person.

Root words like "Name in English" , "Nam in Hindi/Urdu/Gujarati/Punjabi/etc., German,Dutch" "Nimi in Finnish" and in many other languages remain the same. This tells about origin of languages and migration of tribes and people.

The word "Sin" has following following: "Sindh an area in today`s Pakistan" and again "Sindh is in west of present India, this indicates that this was a west migration". Who came to Sindh in what time and settled there is another question.

People carrying the family name of "Sin" like "Sinsinwar or maybe original "Sinsinval" seem to coming from the side where "Sin" originated.
Now "Sin" was presented in "Akkadian Empire".

Both "Sinsinwar/val" and "Kadian" are Jat family names.

The concept of "Sin" originates from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sin_(mythology)", Akkadian empire."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akkadian_language"

Another close word that connects with "Sin" is "Sen" or "Sain" . Such family names can be see throughout the country.

Had "Sen" or "Sain" been original word and not "Sin" then we would have had "Saindh" or "Sendh" for the word "Sindh" which is not true, rather the original name we have is "Sindh".

The other reference of "Gokul" and other concepts seem to have more religious corruption. This religious corruption might have been induced to stop wars between new migrating tribes and people living in the land, or between other migrating tribes and so on.

"Gokul" can easily mean people who owned the cows, people who grazed the cows and so on. It does not specifically mean that only certain tribes were the owners of of these cows. "Go(cow) ka "Kul". The word "Kul" always has a wider implication and has a religious rooting. At what point of time in history this word was coined and came into being is hard to be determined, as it is not backed by archaeological evidence, rather it is backed by mythology and religion. Most probably this word was coined when the migrating tribes connected with native religions of the land in which these tribes migrated. Therefore the words like "Gokul", etc. are driven by local religious sentiments and not factual information.

Whereas the word "Sin" has been archaeologically verified by language script and by archaeological artifacts by archaeologists and historians.

maddhan1979
May 23rd, 2014, 09:42 PM
Now coming to the point:

The root word "Sin"

Throughout the world the root words remain same. Any linguist will tell you so and remember a linguist is a scientific person and not a mythological person.

Root words like "Name in English" , "Nam in Hindi/Urdu, German,Dutch" "Nimi in Finnish" and in many other languages remain the same. This tells about origin of languages and migration of tribes and people.

The word "Sin" has following following: "Sindh an area in today`s Pakistan" and again "Sindh is in west of present India, this indicates that this was a west migration". Who came to Sindh in what time and settled there is another question.

People carrying the family name of "Sin" like "Sinsinwar or maybe original "Sinsinval" seem to coming from the side where "Sin" originated.
Now "Sin" was presented in "Akkadian Empire"

Both "Sinsinwar/val" and "Kadian" are Jat family names.

The concept of "Sin" originates from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sin_(mythology)", Akkadian empire."http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Akkadian_language"

Another closest word that connects with "Sin" is "Sen" or "Sain" and then "Sainy". Such family names can be see throughout the country.

The other reference of "Gokul" and other concepts seem to have more religious corruption. This religious corruption might have been induced to stop wars between new migrating tribes and people living in the land, or between other migrating tribes so on.

"Gokul" can easily mean people who owned the cows, people who grazed the cows and so on. It does not specifically mean that only certain tribes were the owners of of these cows. "Go(cow) ka "Kul". "Kul always has a wider implication. At what point of time in history this word was coined and came into being can not be determined, as it is not backed by archaeological evidence, rather it is backed by mythology and religion.

So the chronology of language and people travels like "Sin", "Sindh" and "Sinsinvar".

The word "Sain" is far from the original word "Sin" then the word "Sin" itself.

Therefore "Sinsinvar" seem to be direct decendents from "Sin" the "moon god/ moon totem" in ancient terms.

Who was living in Sindh or at place called "Sinsini" at what point of time is another question.

"http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinsini"

Lot of history of Sinsini seems to be backed by non scientific, non archaeological false information and myths.

maddhan1979
May 24th, 2014, 08:15 AM
We must learn to differentiate between religious noise and pollution e.g. the word "Gokul" or "Kul". Which does not connect with any single tribe or people and with the real factual information. This word can very well mean, people who depend on Cows for their livelihood, livelihood in the form of food, skin, wealth, grazing the cows, etc.

maddhan1979
May 25th, 2014, 08:10 AM
http://www.bedawi.com/Sinai_Archeology_EN.html

Worth concentrating:

"There are moments in Sinai when one feels as if the history of the entire world can be read in its stones.

In many places visitors from thousands of years ago literally recorded their passage in stone, as at the Rock of Inscriptions near Dahab and at Serabit El Khadim, near ancient mining sites where archaeologists have discovered carvings that record the very earliest emergence of our alphabet. This is called the Proto-Sinaitic alphabet from which the Semitic languages derived and the western alphabet as we know it today."


The root word is "Sinai" or "Sin" or "Sina".

I do not know, if "Scythian" or some allied horse riding nomadic tribe has some migration to this area at any point of time in ancient history.


It is interesting to see that both Semitic and Non-Semitic languages seem to be coming from the same root.

maddhan1979
May 27th, 2014, 08:14 AM
You can read here -

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sinai_Peninsula


Etymology: The name Sinai may have been derived from the ancient moon-god Sin or from the Hebrew word "Seneh" (Hebrew: סֶ֫נֶּה‎, Senneh) The peninsula acquired the name due to the assumption that a mountain near Saint Catherine's Monastery is the Biblical Mount Sinai. However this is contested.


U are right, the history of Indian subcontinent seems to be heavily influenced by religious and mythological crap. Majority of which this religious and mythological crap does not have seem to have any archaeological or scientific backing. Indian subcontinents mind is heavily influenced by religious crap, which blinds the people and stop them from looking things from archaeological and scientific way.

As the scientific and archaeological mindset`s roots are in European, American, Russian way of thought due to progressive industrialization and scientific view of life, although exceptions are everywhere. Whereas Indian subcontinent has again gone down into dark ages of religious, mythological non scientific way of thought.

A simple example is a name of a person called "Shoorsena" or "Shoor + Sena" now "Shoor" stands for same meaning as in "Shoorvir" or "Shoor + vir".
So "Shoor + Sena means "Army means which is very courageous" now the real archaeological existence of any person by this name might be not present.
Such person might be present mythologically, this blind mythological and religious is most probably due to idol worship, as in idol worship personification/creation of human like figure of mythology and folklore's is a prominent feature.

What we fail to recognize and discover is that most of the tribes which migrated from western parts of of the world settled in western areas of present day Indian subcontinent , as in ancient times mostly tribes migrated through the land whose topography was familiar to them. So people migrating from drier area such as semi arid or desert like areas will feel easy to travel through semi arid or desert areas. In the past tribal travel/migrations was not easy because of wild animals, robbers, unknown topographies like swamp areas, etc.
So this also means people who are living in present day desert areas might be coming from drier areas of the world. Indian context this might be more true because there has not been a large scale human movement from remote areas of India.

maddhan1979
March 28th, 2017, 11:16 PM
Is it possible that "Sinsinwar" is originally "Sinsinval" like so many other family names e.g. "Bakarval", Sabbarval, so on.


The "Val" concept originally means "coming from". So in this sense "Sinsinvar" becomes people coming from "Sin tribe" or people using the totem "Sin".

The "Val" concept originally means "coming from". So in this sense "Sinsinvar" becomes people coming from "Sin tribe" or people using the totem "Sin".[/QUOTE]

On a second thought word "SinSinvar", in its original form could also have been derived from ancient tribal military classification, "var" in Hindi means "attack", so "Sinsinwar", could also mean attack on clan of "sinsin" by "Sinsinvar". In this context who is "Sin"? "Sin", in its root word form could also mean people who are not on the same side of the speakers of IndoEuropean origin languages. So it is possible that the tribes of IndoEuropean language speakers named the opponent/local/already residing tribes as the "sin" and tribal classification of "Sinsinvar", emerged out of the confrontations that these speakers of IndoEuropean languages had with the other tribes.

maddhan1979
March 29th, 2017, 08:57 AM
The "Val" concept originally means "coming from". So in this sense "Sinsinvar" becomes people coming from "Sin tribe" or people using the totem "Sin".

On a second thought word "SinSinvar", in its original form could also have been derived from ancient tribal military classification, "var" in Hindi means "attack", so "Sinsinwar", could also mean attack on clan of "sinsin" by "Sinsinvar". In this context who is "Sin"? "Sin", in its root word form could also mean people who are not on the same side of the speakers of IndoEuropean origin languages. So it is possible that the tribes of IndoEuropean language speakers named the opponent/local/already residing tribes as the "sin" and tribal classification of "Sinsinvar", emerged out of the confrontations that these speakers of IndoEuropean languages had with the other tribes.[/QUOTE]

" In this context who is "Sin"? "Sin", in its root word form could also mean people who are not on the same side of the speakers of IndoEuropean origin languages.",

As "Sin", is a root word in "IndoEuropean langauges"

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/sin


It is also possible that it a religiously defined meaning at certain point of time in India's ancient religious and feudal history

maddhan1979
March 30th, 2017, 12:31 PM
On a second thought word "SinSinvar", in its original form could also have been derived from ancient tribal military classification, "var" in Hindi means "attack", so "Sinsinwar", could also mean attack on clan of "sinsin" by "Sinsinvar". In this context who is "Sin"? "Sin", in its root word form could also mean people who are not on the same side of the speakers of IndoEuropean origin languages. So it is possible that the tribes of IndoEuropean language speakers named the opponent/local/already residing tribes as the "sin" and tribal classification of "Sinsinvar", emerged out of the confrontations that these speakers of IndoEuropean languages had with the other tribes.

" In this context who is "Sin"? "Sin", in its root word form could also mean people who are not on the same side of the speakers of IndoEuropean origin languages.",

As "Sin", is a root word in "IndoEuropean langauges"

http://www.dictionary.com/browse/sin


It is also possible that it a religiously defined meaning at certain point of time in India's ancient religious and feudal history[/QUOTE]


It is possible "Sinsinvar" are late migrants into Indian subcontinent and were put to some "Hal", "Solution" in the out area's of the farmland.

maddhan1979
July 22nd, 2017, 09:58 AM
The "Val" concept originally means "coming from". So in this sense "Sinsinvar" becomes people coming from "Sin tribe" or people using the totem "Sin".

On a second thought word "SinSinvar", in its original form could also have been derived from ancient tribal military classification, "var" in Hindi means "attack", so "Sinsinwar", could also mean attack on clan of "sinsin" by "Sinsinvar". In this context who is "Sin"? "Sin", in its root word form could also mean people who are not on the same side of the speakers of IndoEuropean origin languages. So it is possible that the tribes of IndoEuropean language speakers named the opponent/local/already residing tribes as the "sin" and tribal classification of "Sinsinvar", emerged out of the confrontations that these speakers of IndoEuropean languages had with the other tribes.[/QUOTE]



Original word in this context is "Sinsinvar" as the "Var" " to attack" so such names could very well have been derived from ancient wars that these tribes faught.

Interestingly the name of week in Hindi also have "Var" in it, e.g. Somvar, Budhvar, etc..