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maddhan1979
April 14th, 2016, 11:33 AM
Totanism has been main symbolic recognition of people since ancient times as far as humans are able to trace their history.

The earliest humans/nomads/travelers/hunter-gatherers recognized themselves with elements of nature.

This thread is to explores these elements.

maddhan1979
April 15th, 2016, 06:04 AM
One example is Rose which in other parts of the world and languages become Rose, Ross, Rossi, Ruus, Ruuska.

While we know, Rose is a flower, it is possible that the early nomads/travelling people identified themselves with flower, animals, plants, etc.

In Indo European langauges adding suffixes and prefixes to give meaning to a word is a known fact. Example in case of Rose can be Ruus+Ka, which could mean people from the Rose clan. Root word being Rose, i.e. name of the flower.



http://www.jatland.com/home/Rose

maddhan1979
April 15th, 2016, 06:49 AM
One must understand that in ancient times, people were travelling far off places and often due to wars, natural calamities, migrations, etc., people/groups/tribes, used to take different migration routes or settlements etc. Therefore it is possible that people with same clan names might have different pronunciations/recognition's etc. due to time, place, etc. of migration.

maddhan1979
April 16th, 2016, 08:26 AM
One example is Rose which in other parts of the world and languages become Rose, Ross, Rossi, Ruus, Ruuska.

While we know, Rose is a flower, it is possible that the early nomads/travelling people identified themselves with flower, animals, plants, etc.

In Indo European langauges adding suffixes and prefixes to give meaning to a word is a known fact. Example in case of Rose can be Ruus+Ka, which could mean people from the Rose clan. Root word being Rose, i.e. name of the flower.



http://www.jatland.com/home/Rose


If IndoEuropean tribes ever migrated to Indian subcontinent, then one of the main recognition of these tribes and their ancient connections is through language and tribal connections/names.

Rose family name is one such link:

http://www.ancestry.com/name-origin?surname=rose

maddhan1979
April 22nd, 2016, 07:25 AM
One characteristic associated with the lives of Totesmic people/people associated with tribal roots/ancient roots has been big exploitation in the name of religion, wars, etc..

maddhan1979
April 22nd, 2016, 12:48 PM
If IndoEuropean tribes ever migrated to Indian subcontinent, then one of the main recognition of these tribes and their ancient connections is through language and tribal connections/names.

Rose family name is one such link:

http://www.ancestry.com/name-origin?surname=rose

This totasmic depiction can be seen through the dress of original tribes of these people, who often wear dresses having flowers, animals, plants, etc. on them.

maddhan1979
May 5th, 2016, 06:32 AM
This totasmic depiction can be seen through the dress of original tribes of these people, who often wear dresses having flowers, animals, plants, etc. on them.

Name of tribes with Indian plants, flowers, animals, etc. could have been result of mixture of the Indo European tribes with local tribes of India, and these recognition's could have carried to far off places across the world as the borders of ancient India were open for travel.

maddhan1979
May 6th, 2016, 07:32 AM
Name of tribes with Indian plants, flowers, animals, etc. could have been result of mixture of the Indo European tribes with local tribes of India, and these recognition's could have carried to far off places across the world as the borders of ancient India were open for travel.

There could have been two waves of tribal namification one which connected with native Indian tribes based on plants, animals, flowers,etc. and the other wave would have been adoption of this Indian tribal namification by tribes moving into India due to adoption of local religion and other local factors.

maddhan1979
May 22nd, 2016, 06:43 PM
This also means original names of these tribes could have had IndoEuropean names/roots, whereas the later assimilation, merging with local tribes could have created a later social ,economical and religious namification.

maddhan1979
May 28th, 2016, 06:01 PM
Totasmic depcition of different tribes can also be seen in Indian religious cults/sects and religious following. These different tribes often in history identified themselves with animals, reptiles, plants, etc..

Often the characteristics of animals also connected with the tribal recognition in ancient tribal culture, which was passed on through verbal transmission throughout ages. In a diverse society, which had a number of tribes from all across different nations throughout ages, tribes were often recognized by their characteristics or often the tribes would recognize themselves with different elements of nature.

maddhan1979
June 23rd, 2016, 06:59 AM
Jats seem to be losing the recognition of their ancient nomadic lifestyle due to religious cults. Women who were originally part of horse riding nomads(as one thought process says that only men migrated to the Indian subcontinent) seem to be getting more Indeanized and there is loss of original culture due to "Sari culture", while the original dress of these ancient women nomads included long skirts and pants like those of male counterparts. Men are also losing the original ancient dresses as there is no archaeological work has ever been done to trace out the original dressing/working/migrating clothes of these ancient tribes.

maddhan1979
July 2nd, 2016, 05:35 AM
Totanism could also be seen in the form of trade, food that people eat,etc. This difference could have been in the form of those who ate bread and those who ate rice.

Aatta or flour was a staple food for many tribes which roamed ancient central Asia while those Indo European tribes which were living deep inside Mongolia and China could have been rice eaters. It is possible root words related with food could have carried forward with these tribes, as food in ancient trades was used in Barter system of trade.

maddhan1979
July 3rd, 2016, 07:40 PM
Totanism could also be seen in the form of trade, food that people eat,etc. This difference could have been in the form of those who ate bread and those who ate rice.

Aatta or flour was a staple food for many tribes which roamed ancient central Asia while those Indo European tribes which were living deep inside Mongolia and China could have been rice eaters. It is possible root words related with food could have carried forward with these tribes, as food in ancient trades was used in Barter system of trade.


Diets could also have changed with time as the original IndoEuropean tribes were inhibiting deep Monglolia, deep China, Siberia, etc. while their west ward migration towards central Asia could have been later phase of migration

Same is the case with languages Turkic languages were spoken over a vast area by many tribes, so Turkic languages in ancient past were a "family of languages" and not a single language as seen now. So, were the tribes speaking these "family of languages".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_languages

There is still not much information about all the languages spoken in central Asia, an example seems to be of that of "Scythians", it seems they had their own language.

maddhan1979
July 15th, 2016, 06:36 PM
Diets could also have changed with time as the original IndoEuropean tribes were inhibiting deep Monglolia, deep China, Siberia, etc. while their west ward migration towards central Asia could have been later phase of migration

Same is the case with languages Turkic languages were spoken over a vast area by many tribes, so Turkic languages in ancient past were a "family of languages" and not a single language as seen now. So, were the tribes speaking these "family of languages".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Turkic_languages

There is still not much information about all the languages spoken in central Asia, an example seems to be of that of "Scythians", it seems they had their own language.


Interestingly there are two Villages of Ata or aata origin in Haryana:

https://www.jatland.com/home/Atta_Samalkha

https://www.jatland.com/home/Atta_Samalkha


and then we have a village called :


http://wikiedit.org/India/Mirpur-Jattan/13277/

Mirpur,,, which again connected with Mir or moor culture.

and then there is :

http://allindiafacts.com/places/uttar-pradesh/muzaffarnagar/budhana/rasoolpur-jatan.html

the word is Jatan the origin word seem to be : Jat + Han,

the word tells about ancient horse riding nomads from central Asian.

This could very well connect with Indo Scythian migration or Hapthalite migrations into ancient India.

https://depts.washington.edu/silkroad/exhibit/hephthalites/hephthalite.html

maddhan1979
July 16th, 2016, 06:02 AM
Interestingly there are two Villages of Ata or aata origin in Haryana:

https://www.jatland.com/home/Atta_Samalkha

https://www.jatland.com/home/Atta_Samalkha


and then we have a village called :


http://wikiedit.org/India/Mirpur-Jattan/13277/

Mirpur,,, which again connected with Mir or moor culture.

and then there is :

http://allindiafacts.com/places/uttar-pradesh/muzaffarnagar/budhana/rasoolpur-jatan.html

the word is Jatan the origin word seem to be : Jat + Han,

the word tells about ancient horse riding nomads from central Asian.

This could very well connect with Indo Scythian migration or Hapthalite migrations into ancient India.

https://depts.washington.edu/silkroad/exhibit/hephthalites/hephthalite.html


http://www.jatland.com/home/Atta_Mewat

maddhan1979
July 16th, 2016, 06:04 AM
Interestingly there are two Villages of Ata or aata origin in Haryana:

https://www.jatland.com/home/Atta_Samalkha

https://www.jatland.com/home/Atta_Samalkha


and then we have a village called :


http://wikiedit.org/India/Mirpur-Jattan/13277/

Mirpur,,, which again connected with Mir or moor culture.

and then there is :

http://allindiafacts.com/places/uttar-pradesh/muzaffarnagar/budhana/rasoolpur-jatan.html

the word is Jatan the origin word seem to be : Jat + Han,

the word tells about ancient horse riding nomads from central Asian.

This could very well connect with Indo Scythian migration or Hapthalite migrations into ancient India.

https://depts.washington.edu/silkroad/exhibit/hephthalites/hephthalite.html


The original spelling could very well had been Jathan which is now misspelled as Jatan.

maddhan1979
July 16th, 2016, 01:48 PM
Interestingly there are two Villages of Ata or aata origin in Haryana:

https://www.jatland.com/home/Atta_Samalkha

https://www.jatland.com/home/Atta_Samalkha


and then we have a village called :


http://wikiedit.org/India/Mirpur-Jattan/13277/

Mirpur,,, which again connected with Mir or moor culture.

and then there is :

http://allindiafacts.com/places/uttar-pradesh/muzaffarnagar/budhana/rasoolpur-jatan.html

the word is Jatan the origin word seem to be : Jat + Han,

the word tells about ancient horse riding nomads from central Asian.

This could very well connect with Indo Scythian migration or Hapthalite migrations into ancient India.

https://depts.washington.edu/silkroad/exhibit/hephthalites/hephthalite.html


I do not know how much in the above mentioned sites is really true, but, some facts are common throughout different websites and knowledge banks.
There has not been much archaeological work done on these people in Indian subcontinent one reason being religion itself, which suppresses the scientific and archaeological history of any country.

On the other hand the words have been carried forward through generations, which are true to their origin or might be slightly misspelt due to linguistic differences.

maddhan1979
July 16th, 2016, 02:56 PM
Interestingly there are two Villages of Ata or aata origin in Haryana:

https://www.jatland.com/home/Atta_Samalkha

https://www.jatland.com/home/Atta_Samalkha


and then we have a village called :


http://wikiedit.org/India/Mirpur-Jattan/13277/

Mirpur,,, which again connected with Mir or moor culture.

and then there is :

http://allindiafacts.com/places/uttar-pradesh/muzaffarnagar/budhana/rasoolpur-jatan.html

the word is Jatan the origin word seem to be : Jat + Han,

the word tells about ancient horse riding nomads from central Asian.

This could very well connect with Indo Scythian migration or Hapthalite migrations into ancient India.

https://depts.washington.edu/silkroad/exhibit/hephthalites/hephthalite.html


Ancient feudal,tribal system was based on kingship or feudal mindset. Priest or religious people had their place and would often overthrow the real king to gain power and become king themselves, while the role of religion in ancient feudal/tribal society was not strong and if it got strong then the priest people would take over the kingship by overthrowing the king or taking the kingdom to war with another kingdom. This has been happening throughout ages in societies where religious mindset dominates over rational/educated mindset or the societies which are still leading a feudal system. While religious forces despite any religious would always favor people leading the religious or people from religious cultures, such systems do not last long and often are failure or wiped out through social unrest or revolts as seen throughout the history, whatever the religion that be.

maddhan1979
July 17th, 2016, 06:56 AM
this culture of central asian nomads is not limited Jats but rather many other tribes and clans many of whom writing same clan names might be Jats as well, who were lost during wars, travel. natural calamities, etc.

maddhan1979
July 20th, 2016, 10:48 AM
Interestingly there are two Villages of Ata or aata origin in Haryana:

https://www.jatland.com/home/Atta_Samalkha

https://www.jatland.com/home/Atta_Samalkha


and then we have a village called :


http://wikiedit.org/India/Mirpur-Jattan/13277/

Mirpur,,, which again connected with Mir or moor culture.

and then there is :

http://allindiafacts.com/places/uttar-pradesh/muzaffarnagar/budhana/rasoolpur-jatan.html

the word is Jatan the origin word seem to be : Jat + Han,

the word tells about ancient horse riding nomads from central Asian.

This could very well connect with Indo Scythian migration or Hapthalite migrations into ancient India.

https://depts.washington.edu/silkroad/exhibit/hephthalites/hephthalite.html


The words like "budhana", seems to be combination of two words " Budh + han", this another symbol of totanism, which still carries on several hundred years after the death of "Buddha or buda" , as spelled in different dialects. In ancient times people/tribes were living far off places , to retain their ancient tribal links these tribes would name places with their ancient root words. As "Buda" was a great person of his time, it is possible that these ancient tribes although settled in different parts of the country/world carried "root words" maintain their ancient identity. This tells that "Buddha or Budda" came from the same tribe.

ayushkadyan
July 20th, 2016, 08:38 PM
The words like "budhana", seems to be combination of two words " Budh + han", this another symbol of totanism, which still carries on several hundred years after the death of "Buddha or buda" , as spelled in different dialects. In ancient times people/tribes were living far off places , to retain their ancient tribal links these tribes would name places with their ancient root words. As "Buda" was a great person of his time, it is possible that these ancient tribes although settled in different parts of the country/world carried "root words" maintain their ancient identity. This tells that "Buddha or Budda" came from the same tribe.Nawajuddin Siddiqui comes from the same town Budhana, Muzaffarnagar.

maddhan1979
July 24th, 2016, 08:51 AM
The original spelling could very well had been Jathan which is now misspelled as Jatan.


The Hunnic nomads of central Asia were a diverse group of different tribes. The "Hun" connects with "Horse riding people, so there are people from ancient Greeks who came with Alexander the great, then there were ancient Romans, nomadic tribes of central Asia, all these Hunnic tribes were linked with silk route, which was the main connecting route between Europe,Central Asia and, Middle East, so these Hunnic tribes combined a large group of Eurasian horse riding people from Europe, Central Asia and Ancient Middle East.

maddhan1979
July 24th, 2016, 09:27 AM
Diversity of the horse riding people of "Silk route" can be seen from the fact that there is a valley in pakistan called "Hunza".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunza_Valley

The people who live in this valley are or ancient Greek origin. Lot of Jat and similar tribe family names can be traced to ancient Greeks, who came to Indian subcontinent with Alexander the Great.
On the other side Hepthalites are called "White Huns".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephthalite_Empire

So, the word "Hun" connects more with Horse riding people from Ancient middle east, Central Asia, Mongolia, Ancient China and ancient Europe.

maddhan1979
July 24th, 2016, 09:40 AM
India has seen two waves of migration and inward migration and an outward migration.

Inward migration has been happening throughout ages while the last major outward migration happened around 7th-8th century AD. Lot of the tribes which migrated out of India at that time period migrated because of religious wars happening at the time period.

Lot of the places in Europe can trace their names connected with this later migration from Indian subcontinent. The original IndoEuropean people migrated much earlier through inward migration, these were also the original people of so called Gypsies of Europe this is one reason as to why Romani language is also known as Indo European langauge.

maddhan1979
July 24th, 2016, 09:41 AM
The word "Hun", in this form seems to be a totamic recognition of "Horse riding people"

maddhan1979
July 24th, 2016, 07:54 PM
India has seen two waves of migration and inward migration and an outward migration.

Inward migration has been happening throughout ages while the last major outward migration happened around 7th-8th century AD. Lot of the tribes which migrated out of India at that time period migrated because of religious wars happening at the time period.

Lot of the places in Europe can trace their names connected with this later migration from Indian subcontinent. The original IndoEuropean people migrated much earlier through inward migration, these were also the original people of so called Gypsies of Europe this is one reason as to why Romani language is also known as Indo European langauge.


The last major inward migration was inform of Scythian's, https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indo-Scythians, which might be the root of major Hunnic migration into India.

maddhan1979
July 25th, 2016, 08:55 PM
The words like "budhana", seems to be combination of two words " Budh + han", this another symbol of totanism, which still carries on several hundred years after the death of "Buddha or buda" , as spelled in different dialects. In ancient times people/tribes were living far off places , to retain their ancient tribal links these tribes would name places with their ancient root words. As "Buda" was a great person of his time, it is possible that these ancient tribes although settled in different parts of the country/world carried "root words" maintain their ancient identity. This tells that "Buddha or Budda" came from the same tribe.



Is it possible that the word "Han" only connects with "Alexander the great's" army, well, it does not seem so.

The word "Budhhana" or "Budh+ Hana" shows pre Alexander origin of Jats.

Buddha born and lived before Alexander's arrival into Eurasia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gautama_Buddha

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great


This means that Jat roots are before Alexanders's time, before Christ and before Islam.

maddhan1979
July 28th, 2016, 10:43 AM
Is it possible that the word "Han" only connects with "Alexander the great's" army, well, it does not seem so.

The word "Budhhana" or "Budh+ Hana" shows pre Alexander origin of Jats.

Buddha born and lived before Alexander's arrival into Eurasia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gautama_Buddha

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great


This means that Jat roots are before Alexanders's time, before Christ and before Islam.


The word "Budhhana" or "Budh+ Hana" shows pre Alexander origin of Jats.

Buddha born and lived before Alexander's arrival into Eurasia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gautama_Buddha

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great


This means that Jat roots are before Alexanders's time, before Christ and before Islam.[/QUOTE]

Do we find ancient Silk route trade and movement of these horse riding people from Central Asian Plains to India and Vice-Versa.

Yes, these ancient nomads were moving from central Asia and other places out of India and doing trade with India long before Buddha, Christ were born or Alexander came to Eurasia, archeological evidences of which have been found in the form of silk worn by ancient nomads and also in the form of house dwellings and other archeological artifacts.



This could also mean that these ancient nomads were establishing civilizations in ancient India or ancient India, Pakistan and Afghanistan.

maddhan1979
July 30th, 2016, 08:58 AM
The word "Budhhana" or "Budh+ Hana" shows pre Alexander origin of Jats.

Buddha born and lived before Alexander's arrival into Eurasia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gautama_Buddha

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great


This means that Jat roots are before Alexanders's time, before Christ and before Islam.

Do we find ancient Silk route trade and movement of these horse riding people from Central Asian Plains to India and Vice-Versa.

Yes, these ancient nomads were moving from central Asia and other places out of India and doing trade with India long before Buddha, Christ were born or Alexander came to Eurasia, archeological evidences of which have been found in the form of silk worn by ancient nomads and also in the form of house dwellings and other archeological artifacts.



This could also mean that these ancient nomads were establishing civilizations in ancient India or ancient India, Pakistan and Afghanistan.[/QUOTE]

This also included ancient middle east, as ancient middle east was on the route of ancient silk route. So, lot of civilizations in ancient middle east might be connected to Indian subcontinent through ancient silk routes. These ancient silk routes would have been routes for people fleeing wars, collapse of civilizations, etc., from ancient middle east and to ancient middle east. Lot of family names can be traced to such origins. Long distance travelling would have encouraged totasmic recognition of people.

maddhan1979
July 30th, 2016, 04:45 PM
There are lot of very similar sounding words and are often confusing although the origins of these words might be different and so might be the meaning:

e.g. Sia, Sya, Saya, Shia all three words sound close but have very different meaning and roots.

maddhan1979
July 30th, 2016, 04:54 PM
The word "Hun", in this form seems to be a totamic recognition of "Horse riding people"


Due to numerous wars facial recognition of these ancient nomads might not be true to understanding untill and unless we understand that who were the main fighting forces which faught these ancient wars and what were the roots of these fighting forces. Jats and similar tribes in this sense have always been fighting force because of their Hunnic origins, such fighting people often lived in big groups, which can still be see in rural India.

maddhan1979
July 30th, 2016, 09:59 PM
Due to numerous wars facial recognition of these ancient nomads might not be true to understanding untill and unless we understand that who were the main fighting forces which faught these ancient wars and what were the roots of these fighting forces. Jats and similar tribes in this sense have always been fighting force because of their Hunnic origins, such fighting people often lived in big groups, which can still be see in rural India.


Although some common stereotypes of these ancient races remain which are still true to their origins.

maddhan1979
July 31st, 2016, 03:57 PM
Is it possible that the word "Han" only connects with "Alexander the great's" army, well, it does not seem so.

The word "Budhhana" or "Budh+ Hana" shows pre Alexander origin of Jats.

Buddha born and lived before Alexander's arrival into Eurasia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gautama_Buddha

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great


This means that Jat roots are before Alexanders's time, before Christ and before Islam.



Totasmic recognition could also connect with place and religion. We know that there is a place called "Khanna" and then there are people who write family names similar to the place,

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Khanna,_Ludhiana
Similarly people could have identified themselves with religion or the tribes they were connected with, a simple example could be "Budh Hanna", which could have been a totasmic symbol of certain tribes, here we must remember that in past there were big religious conflicts between Hinduism and Buddhism at certain point of times in feudal India, therefore "Buddh Hana" could very well have a totasmic symbol rather than a root symbol.

maddhan1979
August 1st, 2016, 07:16 AM
Due to numerous wars facial recognition of these ancient nomads might not be true to understanding untill and unless we understand that who were the main fighting forces which faught these ancient wars and what were the roots of these fighting forces. Jats and similar tribes in this sense have always been fighting force because of their Hunnic origins, such fighting people often lived in big groups, which can still be see in rural India.


One example can be seen in cases where communities which were fighting wars after wars in the name of religion were not left with many women to start and progress their families. This was a case with communities like Jats and Rajpoots who in ancient India were fighting wars in the name of religion, feudal system, etc. This concept converted into a trend which become a case where some communities stopped having girl child due to endless wars and insecurity of life. These communities were also the main sufferers of Indian religious system. As Jats and similar tribes are from Hunnic origins which meant that these horse riding people were the early movers and rules of ancient world.

maddhan1979
August 5th, 2016, 06:25 AM
The word "Budhhana" or "Budh+ Hana" shows pre Alexander origin of Jats.

Buddha born and lived before Alexander's arrival into Eurasia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gautama_Buddha

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great


This means that Jat roots are before Alexanders's time, before Christ and before Islam.

Do we find ancient Silk route trade and movement of these horse riding people from Central Asian Plains to India and Vice-Versa.

Yes, these ancient nomads were moving from central Asia and other places out of India and doing trade with India long before Buddha, Christ were born or Alexander came to Eurasia, archeological evidences of which have been found in the form of silk worn by ancient nomads and also in the form of house dwellings and other archeological artifacts.



This could also mean that these ancient nomads were establishing civilizations in ancient India or ancient India, Pakistan and Afghanistan.[/QUOTE]


Much older migration roots can be traced to linguistic words like "Mir" which becomes "Meer" difference being in written language but spoken language comes first and so does not the meaning and similar words. This written difference can be seen in words like "Hun" which becomes "Han" in other places, although both words have the same meaning and root. The words like "Mirdha" seems to show pre Buddhist origin of north west Indian tribes and a connection to "Meer" civilizations, although migrations and movements of these tribes might be different because of feudal, king based systems in India. In ancient times people riding horses were the main groups of warriors.

maddhan1979
August 6th, 2016, 05:07 AM
Do we find ancient Silk route trade and movement of these horse riding people from Central Asian Plains to India and Vice-Versa.

Yes, these ancient nomads were moving from central Asia and other places out of India and doing trade with India long before Buddha, Christ were born or Alexander came to Eurasia, archeological evidences of which have been found in the form of silk worn by ancient nomads and also in the form of house dwellings and other archeological artifacts.



This could also mean that these ancient nomads were establishing civilizations in ancient India or ancient India, Pakistan and Afghanistan.


Much older migration roots can be traced to linguistic words like "Mir" which becomes "Meer" difference being in written language but spoken language comes first and so does not the meaning and similar words. This written difference can be seen in words like "Hun" which becomes "Han" in other places, although both words have the same meaning and root. The words like "Mirdha" seems to show pre Buddhist origin of north west Indian tribes and a connection to "Meer" civilizations, although migrations and movements of these tribes might be different because of feudal, king based systems in India. In ancient times people riding horses were the main groups of warriors.[/QUOTE]


correction: "spoken language comes first and so does not the meaning and similar words" the correct is "spoken language comes first and so does the meaning and similar words",

Looks like someone is changing the language and words on the forum

maddhan1979
August 6th, 2016, 07:02 AM
Diversity of the horse riding people of "Silk route" can be seen from the fact that there is a valley in pakistan called "Hunza".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunza_Valley

The people who live in this valley are or ancient Greek origin. Lot of Jat and similar tribe family names can be traced to ancient Greeks, who came to Indian subcontinent with Alexander the Great.
On the other side Hepthalites are called "White Huns".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephthalite_Empire

So, the word "Hun" connects more with Horse riding people from Ancient middle east, Central Asia, Mongolia, Ancient China and ancient Europe.

Interesting there is name "Archimedes", this word has a "mede", i do not know, if "Archi" has meaning or not, but it seems the word "Medes" or "Mede" might have older origin, which goes back to word "Median Empire".

maddhan1979
August 6th, 2016, 06:21 PM
The word "Budhhana" or "Budh+ Hana" shows pre Alexander origin of Jats.

Buddha born and lived before Alexander's arrival into Eurasia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gautama_Buddha

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great


This means that Jat roots are before Alexanders's time, before Christ and before Islam.

Do we find ancient Silk route trade and movement of these horse riding people from Central Asian Plains to India and Vice-Versa.

Yes, these ancient nomads were moving from central Asia and other places out of India and doing trade with India long before Buddha, Christ were born or Alexander came to Eurasia, archeological evidences of which have been found in the form of silk worn by ancient nomads and also in the form of house dwellings and other archeological artifacts.



This could also mean that these ancient nomads were establishing civilizations in ancient India or ancient India, Pakistan and Afghanistan.[/QUOTE]


Do we find ancient Silk route trade and movement of these horse riding people from Central Asian Plains to India and Vice-Versa.

Yes, these ancient nomads were moving from central Asia and other places out of India and doing trade with India long before Buddha, Christ were born or Alexander came to Eurasia, archeological evidences of which have been found in the form of silk worn by ancient nomads and also in the form of house dwellings and other archeological artifacts.



This could also mean that these ancient nomads were establishing civilizations in ancient India or ancient India, Pakistan and Afghanistan.[/QUOTE]

There is a Greek Name "Archimedies",

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archimedes

here the name is "Archi+Medes", so, it seems that this person was coming from Median empire but his name does not have a "Han" as in "Meadhan", this could also mean that he or his ancestors or the name Archimedes, has a later stage of emergence. So, this could not be a totasmic name, for finding the root of "Medes", one has to see ancient migrations of tribes from central Asia, which formed European tribes, Germanic, Irish, Scottish and other tribal movement is traced back to central Asia. This is also the place where Totasmic recognition could have emerged for many such tribes.

maddhan1979
August 7th, 2016, 05:39 PM
Interesting there is name "Archimedes", this word has a "mede", i do not know, if "Archi" has meaning or not, but it seems the word "Medes" or "Mede" might have older origin, which goes back to word "Median Empire".


Archemedes :


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archimedes


has a "medes" in his name, so it is possible that his ancesstors came from ancient "media", but there is no "Han" in his name therefore it is possible that his ancestral migration was at a later stage afte the collapse of "Median Empire",,,while in India we have a family name "Meadhan", it is very much possible that ancestors of these people came to India with the collapse of "Median Empire" or with so called "Scythian invasion" or maybe even before all these events. It is interesting to see,,,that even after hundreds of years how history has continued in Indian context.

maddhan1979
August 11th, 2016, 06:27 PM
The word "Budhhana" or "Budh+ Hana" shows pre Alexander origin of Jats.

Buddha born and lived before Alexander's arrival into Eurasia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gautama_Buddha

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great


This means that Jat roots are before Alexanders's time, before Christ and before Islam.

Do we find ancient Silk route trade and movement of these horse riding people from Central Asian Plains to India and Vice-Versa.

Yes, these ancient nomads were moving from central Asia and other places out of India and doing trade with India long before Buddha, Christ were born or Alexander came to Eurasia, archeological evidences of which have been found in the form of silk worn by ancient nomads and also in the form of house dwellings and other archeological artifacts.



This could also mean that these ancient nomads were establishing civilizations in ancient India or ancient India, Pakistan and Afghanistan.[/QUOTE]


It is possible that "Maddhan family name was even present before "Median Empire" and during Median Empire. The word "Han", itself, might have ancient origins and connect with time when people domesticated horses or were using Horses for travelling at large scale.

maddhan1979
August 14th, 2016, 04:35 AM
The word "Budhhana" or "Budh+ Hana" shows pre Alexander origin of Jats.

Buddha born and lived before Alexander's arrival into Eurasia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gautama_Buddha

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alexander_the_Great


This means that Jat roots are before Alexanders's time, before Christ and before Islam.

Do we find ancient Silk route trade and movement of these horse riding people from Central Asian Plains to India and Vice-Versa.

Yes, these ancient nomads were moving from central Asia and other places out of India and doing trade with India long before Buddha, Christ were born or Alexander came to Eurasia, archeological evidences of which have been found in the form of silk worn by ancient nomads and also in the form of house dwellings and other archeological artifacts.



This could also mean that these ancient nomads were establishing civilizations in ancient India or ancient India, Pakistan and Afghanistan.[/QUOTE]


Religious namification of tribes can not be root identification of tribes. Words that come from religion are mostly created out of social structures, needs, etc. While root words emerge from work, life style, clans, family relationships, etc.

maddhan1979
August 17th, 2016, 05:50 PM
The words like "budhana", seems to be combination of two words " Budh + han", this another symbol of totanism, which still carries on several hundred years after the death of "Buddha or buda" , as spelled in different dialects. In ancient times people/tribes were living far off places , to retain their ancient tribal links these tribes would name places with their ancient root words. As "Buda" was a great person of his time, it is possible that these ancient tribes although settled in different parts of the country/world carried "root words" maintain their ancient identity. This tells that "Buddha or Budda" came from the same tribe.


The word "BudhHana " does not mean that all the people who were "Han" were "Buddhist", nor does it mean all the "Buddhist were Han". The word "BudhHana" seems to be only a totamic representation of people who are Buddhist and are Han as well. This also means that there were other people who were not "Han" and were "Buddhist". The use of word "Han", has ancient roots in nomadic and travelling people but religious identity is not a representation of origins of tribes, people, migration, etc. Roots of people are not connected with religion.

maddhan1979
August 20th, 2016, 09:31 PM
Diversity of the horse riding people of "Silk route" can be seen from the fact that there is a valley in pakistan called "Hunza".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hunza_Valley

The people who live in this valley are or ancient Greek origin. Lot of Jat and similar tribe family names can be traced to ancient Greeks, who came to Indian subcontinent with Alexander the Great.
On the other side Hepthalites are called "White Huns".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hephthalite_Empire

So, the word "Hun" connects more with Horse riding people from Ancient middle east, Central Asia, Mongolia, Ancient China and ancient Europe.

Greeks came to India around 300 BC , while last known big Scythian migration into India was around 4th century AD. Lot of Alexander army people who followed Alexander settled down in north western India. We must remember Armies in the past, as in present time had soldiers from various ethnic backgrounds, this could also mean that Army of Scythians also had soldiers from different background and it is also possible that the Greek soldiers and other tribes settled in ancient north western India and central Asia. This may explain presence of different family names from various background. Physical presence of Jats and similar tribes show a trend of north western habitation and beyond certain regions of India these tribes were not present in ancient India.

maddhan1979
August 21st, 2016, 02:46 PM
Interestingly there are two Villages of Ata or aata origin in Haryana:

https://www.jatland.com/home/Atta_Samalkha

https://www.jatland.com/home/Atta_Samalkha


and then we have a village called :


http://wikiedit.org/India/Mirpur-Jattan/13277/

Mirpur,,, which again connected with Mir or moor culture.

and then there is :

http://allindiafacts.com/places/uttar-pradesh/muzaffarnagar/budhana/rasoolpur-jatan.html

the word is Jatan the origin word seem to be : Jat + Han,

the word tells about ancient horse riding nomads from central Asian.

This could very well connect with Indo Scythian migration or Hapthalite migrations into ancient India.

https://depts.washington.edu/silkroad/exhibit/hephthalites/hephthalite.html



One can not purely believe on what is written on websites influenced by religion and religious factors.

https://depts.washington.edu/silkroad/exhibit/hephthalites/hephthalite.html


There is a need to study various studies done on these tribes to come out on real conclusion. On the other hand in India lot of these different tribes share common community names might be from similar origins.

maddhan1979
September 4th, 2016, 08:15 AM
Jats seem to be losing the recognition of their ancient nomadic lifestyle due to religious cults. Women who were originally part of horse riding nomads(as one thought process says that only men migrated to the Indian subcontinent) seem to be getting more Indeanized and there is loss of original culture due to "Sari culture", while the original dress of these ancient women nomads included long skirts and pants like those of male counterparts. Men are also losing the original ancient dresses as there is no archaeological work has ever been done to trace out the original dressing/working/migrating clothes of these ancient tribes.


The pre Indianization (sari culture) clothing of these tribes would have been like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bOfKIAchwI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5juKSuRTnCM

One can still see glimpses of these dresses in the clothes being made in north western India but sari culture and religious indoctrination has changed lot of ancient past.

maddhan1979
September 4th, 2016, 06:28 PM
The pre Indianization (sari culture) clothing of these tribes would have been like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7bOfKIAchwI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5juKSuRTnCM

One can still see glimpses of these dresses in the clothes being made in north western India but sari culture and religious indoctrination has changed lot of ancient past.


f we see the above videos we see a glimpse of clothes worn by people who were using horses as a means of travel.

There were the roots of Hunnic society, where male and female were able to ride horses, so they needed more practical clothes and not Sari,,,,,,this clearly shows,,,,Sari culture more indigenous, to India, rather than to tribes of so called "Bharat".

maddhan1979
September 5th, 2016, 05:10 AM
f we see the above videos we see a glimpse of clothes worn by people who were using horses as a means of travel.

There were the roots of Hunnic society, where male and female were able to ride horses, so they needed more practical clothes and not Sari,,,,,,this clearly shows,,,,Sari culture more indigenous, to India, rather than to tribes of so called "Bharat".


sari culture might be more related with socioreligious thought process and not with original wear of these historic tribes

maddhan1979
October 15th, 2016, 07:17 PM
Lot of the family names might not be as ancient or of southern origins. Family names like "Saulanki", might not be at all connected to "Shrilanka" or anywhere in the south, rather, the similar sounding name might have its origins in ancient central Asian tribes, which could have been Indeanized for religious and local consumption.