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rinu
October 3rd, 2003, 08:45 PM
India in 2020
Vision - 2020 / Year : 2020

Place: Two Americans at IBM, USA.
Currency Conversion Rate: Rs. 1.00 = $ 100.00

Alex : Hi John, you didn't come yesterday to office?
John : Yeah, I was in Indian Embassy for stamping.
Alex : Oh really, what happened, I heard that nowadays it has become very strict
John : Yeah, but I managed to get it.
Alex : How long it took to get it stamped?
John : Oh, it was nasty man, long queue. Bill Gates was standing in front
of me and they played with him like
anything. Thats why it got delayed. I went there at 2 am itself and waited
and returned by 4 pm.

Alex : Really? In India, it is a matter of an hour to get stamped for USA

John : Yeah, but that is because who in India will be interested incoming
to USA man , their economy has
been booming.
Alex : So, when are you leaving?
John : Anytime, after receiving my tickets from the client in India and you
know, I will be getting a chance to fly
Air-India. Sort of dream come true.

Alex : How long are you going to stay in India.
John : What do you mean by how long. I will be settled in India,my company
has promised me that they will process my Hara
Patta.(green card)

Alex : Really, lucky person man, it is very difficult to get a Hara Patta in India.
John : Yeah, thats why, I am planning to marry an Indian girl there.
Alex : But you can find lots of US girls in Hyderabad, Bangalore and Mumbai.
John : But, I prefer Indian girls because they are beautiful and cultured.



Alex : Where did you get the offer, Chennai?

John : Yeah, salary is good there, but cost of living is quite high,it is
Rs. 1000/- for a single room accommodation.
Alex : I see, that's too much for US people, Rs. 1/- = $100/-. Oh God!
what about in Hyderabad, Mumbai?

John : No idea, but it is less than what we have in Hyderabad. It is like
the world headquarters of Software.

Alex : I heard, almost all the Indians are having one personal Robot for help.
John : You can get a BMW car for Rs. 5000/-, and a personal Robot for less
than Rs. 7500/-. But my dream is to
purchase Ambassador, which costs Rs.200000/- but has got a sexy design.



Alex : By the way, who is your client?
John : Reddy and Naidu Associates, a pure Indian company, specializing in
Embedded Software.
Alex : Oh, really, lucky to work in a pure Indian company. They are really
intelligent and unlike American

Bodyshoppers who have opened their Fly-by-night outfits in India. Indian
companies pay you in
full even when you are on bench. My friend Paul Allen, it seems, used his
bench time to visit
Bihar, the most livable place in India, probably world.There you have full freedom and no
restrictions. You can do whatever you want! I wonder how that state has
perfected that system.

John : Yeah man, you are right. I hope our America also follows their footsteps.

Alex : How are you going to cope with their language?
John : Why not? From my school days I have been learning Hindi as my first
language here at New York. At the
Consulate they tested my proficiency in Hindi and were quite impressed by
my cent percent score in TOHIL i.e.Test of Hindi as
Internationa language.


Alex : So, you are going to have fun there.

John : Yeah, I will be travelling in the world's fastest train, world's
largest theme park, and the famous Bollywood where you
can see actors like,Hrithik, Govinda and all. Esselworld is also near to
Bollywood.

Alex : You know, the PM is scheduled to visit US next year, he may then
relax the number of visas.

John : That's true. Last month, Narayanamurthy visited White House and
donated Rs. 2000/- for infrastructure
development at Silicon Valley and has promised more if we follow the model
of High-Tech City of Hyderabad. Bill Gates also got a chance of meeting him Very lucky person.

Alex : But, Indian government is planning to split Narayanamurthy's
Infosys.

John : He is a hard worker man, he can build any number of Infosys like this. Every minute he is getting Rs. 1000/-. It seems, if you keep all his money converted as Rs. 100/- notes you can reach Pluto.

Alex : OK, Good Luck John.

John : Same to you Alex. And don't go to Consulate in a "Kurta Pyjama"
because they will think you are too
Indianised and may doubt you will never come back and hence your
Non-Immigrant Visa may get rejected.
But don't forget to say "Namaste, aap kaise hai" to the Visa officer at
Window 5. It seems he likes that and will not give you a visa if you don't greet him that way.

rsdalal
October 3rd, 2003, 09:17 PM
Rinu ji,
This called day dreaming by some GULTI...

rkumar
October 4th, 2003, 06:25 AM
Ranvir Singh Dalal (Oct 03, 2003 11:47 a.m.):
Rinu ji,
This called day dreaming by some GULTI...

Never know Dalal Sahib...nothing is impossible..If not by 2020...may be by 2050...One thing is for sure..USA will not be what it is and its sliding down fairly fast..Its only when one dreams that one works for the dream. Let we all Indians dream for that day..I am sure we can make it happen.

Rajendra

rsdalal
October 4th, 2003, 08:16 AM
Kalkhunde sahab,
Hope this happens, and you are right nothing is impossible.


Rajendra Kumar Kalkhunde (Oct 03, 2003 08:55 p.m.):

Ranvir Singh Dalal (Oct 03, 2003 11:47 a.m.):
Rinu ji,
This called day dreaming by some GULTI...

Never know Dalal Sahib...nothing is impossible..If not by 2020...may be by 2050...One thing is for sure..USA will not be what it is and its sliding down fairly fast..Its only when one dreams that one works for the dream. Let we all Indians dream for that day..I am sure we can make it happen.

Rajendra

sanjaychhikara
October 4th, 2003, 10:29 PM
this day is not so far as we think!!!!

samu42
October 4th, 2003, 11:16 PM
Who say we can't live in fantasy! Day dreaming is quite common to us Indians. I am afraid at this rate it will not happen by 3030.

Good luck and best wishes.

hindustani
October 4th, 2003, 11:41 PM
Rinu
guess what, i have taken the vision seriously and have started stocking up the Rupees and looking forward to sell them in black. ek time tha jab mein bhi pond black mein le k aya tha.

jagmohan
October 6th, 2003, 10:05 AM
Dear Rinu,

Let me also take a very realistic view of India in 2020. I am neither a pessimist nor overly optimistic. The Vision 2020 has also been very correctly perceived by our hon'ble President Kalam. However, it is important to know those issues and threats which would hinder our progress. Off hand, I can think of few grave dangers to our very survival. These are:

(a) Kashmir Issue and the growing trend of
sub nationalistic separatist demands.
(b) Communal disharmony and caste divide.
(c) Increasing gap between Rich and Poor.
(d) Growing number of displaced people due
to reasons of developement.
(e) AIDS.
(f) Discredited polity and corrupt politicians.
(g) Lack of basic amenities (Water, Health,
Education & Shelter).
(h) Absence of a Leader who can inspire
confidence.

Individuals will progress in science and technollogy, space reserach, IT and bio sciences, but their application to improve the lot of 'poorest of the poor' will lag behind.

The one thing that will hinder the progress of our country for the next 1000 years is the growing population. Some would say having a large population is advantageous. I agree. But having a large population that is indisciplined is a curse too.

Yes, India will become a manufacturing hub for major industries around the world and a lot of employment will be generated. Yet, the issues that I have mentioned above will never let us assume our rightful place in the community of nations.

I sincerely hope what Rinu has said becomes a reality in my life time.

Lt Col JS Malik (Retd)
JAT BALWAN, JAI BHAGWAN

rkumar
October 6th, 2003, 09:28 PM
Jagmohan Singh Malik (Oct 06, 2003 12:35 a.m.):
Dear Rinu,


(a) Kashmir Issue and the growing trend of
sub nationalistic separatist demands.

This is almost a world wide trend and in modern time almost all nations are facing this problem to lesser or greater extent. There can not be ideal conditions for any nation and we have to progress under these conditions only. These are like pests and insects to a harvest and we have to just keep them under control.

(b) Communal disharmony and caste divide.

Unfortunately, but true, even nature supports disharmony to a very large extent. Harmoney is a much rarer event in Universe...These divisions have always been there in some or the other form and I suppose will remain. I am sure these can not be excuses for us not to look forward and progress. Once we move forward, hormony will come automatically...Let us not forget that the moving mass rarely fights..its the idle mass which makes all the troubles..

(c) Increasing gap between Rich and Poor.

If fair means are used to become rich, this difference is a very healthy thing. Rich and poor are like two electrodes in a battery. The potential difference between them makes the battery useful....

(d) Growing number of displaced people due
to reasons of developement.

This is one area where we need to learn a lot and have to come out with meaningful definition of development. True development is one in which everyone benefits and not just the few. May be this becomes the topic if discussion in a separate posting on jatland..

(e) AIDS....

What to say on Aids..One my friend tells that AIDS is not a disease...its more an outcome of sexual misadventures at first place.
I am sure it can be controlled as its communicable only through routes which can be monitored.

(f) Discredited polity and corrupt politicians.

Politicians are the creation of society. To have a good harvest of politicians we have to rise to the occasion ourselves if we think we are not corrupt. I am sure one good strong person can influence socity much more than many corrupt people...I can see the tiny number of good people who are taking head-on with corrupt people. I am sure the trend will pick up as we move...

(g) Lack of basic amenities (Water, Health,
Education & Shelter).

Yes lots need to be done on water front. Mindless urbanisation is responsible to most of these problems. The new concept of outsourcing will solve these problems to a great extent. Like western countries are outsourcing from developing countries, cities will outsource from villages in very near future. Villages will come to life in a deacade or so and I am sure of this.

(h) Absence of a Leader who can inspire
confidence.

Let us not forget that we human being have a great survival instinct. In times of desparations we will throw up a leader who will stand the test of time.....


i) Individuals will progress in science and technollogy, space reserach, IT and bio sciences, but their application to improve the lot of 'poorest of the poor' will lag behind.

Yes...I agree to a great extent. To me if richness does not come by virtues, powerty also does not come either. If one looks closely at poor person, he is sqarely responsible for his/her plight...

j)The one thing that will hinder the progress of our country for the next 1000 years is the growing population. Some would say having a large population is advantageous. I agree. But having a large population that is indisciplined is a curse too.

On this again I agree as well disagree. Its not 100 average people who lift the nation, but few good people who makes the difference. The ration of good to average remain constant in any society. Problem comes when thse good people leave the population and move to other places. This creates an imbalance ( what one calls brain drain). Its like the body left behind without soul...This has ruined villages, and countries...I know this too will come to an end sooner or later.We can see a treand where Brain is coming back to its origins...

k) Yes, India will become a manufacturing hub for major industries around the world and a lot of employment will be generated. Yet, the issues that I have mentioned above will never let us assume our rightful place in the community of nations.}...

I think we are moving up the ladder slowly. We may not be at the top, but we are certainly among the top 10-20 nations whose voice can not be ignored any more. I am sure in next 20 years we will be among the top 5 nations whose voice will be heard and that voice will be backed with money power and muscle power both.....I will willing to go on record on this. ...

I sincerely hope what Rinu has said becomes a reality in my life time.

Lt Col JS Malik (Retd)
JAT BALWAN, JAI BHAGWAN

Rajendra

akdabas
October 6th, 2003, 10:58 PM
Hum Honge Kamyab..,
Hum Honge Kamyab..,
Hum Honge Kamyab ek din,
Man mein hei vishwas, poora hei vishwas.
Hum Honge Kamyab ek din !!!

dineshm
October 8th, 2003, 08:21 AM
Kalkhunde sahab you have told the solution of each and every problem Lt Col J S Malik suggested can hamper our growth. but talking is one thing and making it a reality a very big task.
Just for instance to emphasise on girl child education our Govt. has spent so much of resources but the problem couldnt be solved infact the real problem was not even understood. now they know what the real reason is & till now they were spending on some thing else .the real reason was that after a certain age menstrual cycle starts in girls with which they couldnt attend their school & not that the parents understood the difference the girl and a boy child. If the Govt would have spent all the money on the right thing I think this problem could have been solved more easily. So the same thing applies to every problem .First we should understand the root causes & then only head on.

rkumar
October 8th, 2003, 06:41 PM
[quote]Dinesh Mahlawat (Oct 07, 2003 10:51 p.m.):
Kalkhunde sahab you have told the solution of each and every problem Lt Col J S Malik suggested can hamper our growth. but talking is one thing and making it a reality a very big task.
...............................
the real reason was that after a certain age menstrual cycle starts in girls with which they couldnt attend their school & not that the parents understood the difference the girl and a boy child. ...........[Quote]

hahahaha...very interesting ..what to say on this..May be lady members on Jatland will throw some light on this... If i have to say anything, all I will say is that I have my wife and two daugters and all are highly qualified and to best of my knowledge i never heard that this was ever a problem...By the way American woman even fly aircrafts and I am sure they do not remain grounded during their periods...

Rajendra

uday
October 8th, 2003, 06:52 PM
Instead of "THE MAN WHO SAW TOMORROW" we should say " The LADY WHO SAW TOMORROW".. Nice Post.

Hope for the Best... it may happen by 2020 !!




Rinu Singh (Oct 03, 2003 11:15 a.m.):
India in 2020
Vision - 2020 / Year : 2020

Place: Two Americans at IBM, USA.
Currency Conversion Rate: Rs. 1.00 = $ 100.00

Alex : Hi John, you didn't come yesterday to office?
John : Yeah, I was in Indian Embassy for stamping.
Alex : Oh really, what happened, I heard that nowadays it has become very strict
John : Yeah, but I managed to get it.
Alex : How long it took to get it stamped?
John : Oh, it was nasty man, long queue. Bill Gates was standing in front
of me and they played with him like
anything. Thats why it got delayed. I went there at 2 am itself and waited
and returned by 4 pm.

Alex : Really? In India, it is a matter of an hour to get stamped for USA

John : Yeah, but that is because who in India will be interested incoming
to USA man , their economy has
been booming.
Alex : So, when are you leaving?
John : Anytime, after receiving my tickets from the client in India and you
know, I will be getting a chance to fly
Air-India. Sort of dream come true.

Alex : How long are you going to stay in India.
John : What do you mean by how long. I will be settled in India,my company
has promised me that they will process my Hara
Patta.(green card)

Alex : Really, lucky person man, it is very difficult to get a Hara Patta in India.
John : Yeah, thats why, I am planning to marry an Indian girl there.
Alex : But you can find lots of US girls in Hyderabad, Bangalore and Mumbai.
John : But, I prefer Indian girls because they are beautiful and cultured.



Alex : Where did you get the offer, Chennai?

John : Yeah, salary is good there, but cost of living is quite high,it is
Rs. 1000/- for a single room accommodation.
Alex : I see, that's too much for US people, Rs. 1/- = $100/-. Oh God!
what about in Hyderabad, Mumbai?

John : No idea, but it is less than what we have in Hyderabad. It is like
the world headquarters of Software.

Alex : I heard, almost all the Indians are having one personal Robot for help.
John : You can get a BMW car for Rs. 5000/-, and a personal Robot for less
than Rs. 7500/-. But my dream is to
purchase Ambassador, which costs Rs.200000/- but has got a sexy design.



Alex : By the way, who is your client?
John : Reddy and Naidu Associates, a pure Indian company, specializing in
Embedded Software.
Alex : Oh, really, lucky to work in a pure Indian company. They are really
intelligent and unlike American

Bodyshoppers who have opened their Fly-by-night outfits in India. Indian
companies pay you in
full even when you are on bench. My friend Paul Allen, it seems, used his
bench time to visit
Bihar, the most livable place in India, probably world.There you have full freedom and no
restrictions. You can do whatever you want! I wonder how that state has
perfected that system.

John : Yeah man, you are right. I hope our America also follows their footsteps.

Alex : How are you going to cope with their language?
John : Why not? From my school days I have been learning Hindi as my first
language here at New York. At the
Consulate they tested my proficiency in Hindi and were quite impressed by
my cent percent score in TOHIL i.e.Test of Hindi as
Internationa language.


Alex : So, you are going to have fun there.

John : Yeah, I will be travelling in the world's fastest train, world's
largest theme park, and the famous Bollywood where you
can see actors like,Hrithik, Govinda and all. Esselworld is also near to
Bollywood.

Alex : You know, the PM is scheduled to visit US next year, he may then
relax the number of visas.

John : That's true. Last month, Narayanamurthy visited White House and
donated Rs. 2000/- for infrastructure
development at Silicon Valley and has promised more if we follow the model
of High-Tech City of Hyderabad. Bill Gates also got a chance of meeting him Very lucky person.

Alex : But, Indian government is planning to split Narayanamurthy's
Infosys.

John : He is a hard worker man, he can build any number of Infosys like this. Every minute he is getting Rs. 1000/-. It seems, if you keep all his money converted as Rs. 100/- notes you can reach Pluto.

Alex : OK, Good Luck John.

John : Same to you Alex. And don't go to Consulate in a "Kurta Pyjama"
because they will think you are too
Indianised and may doubt you will never come back and hence your
Non-Immigrant Visa may get rejected.
But don't forget to say "Namaste, aap kaise hai" to the Visa officer at
Window 5. It seems he likes that and will not give you a visa if you don't greet him that way.

shailendra
October 8th, 2003, 09:32 PM
Quote/Unquote-..."Just for instance to emphasise on girl child education our Govt. has spent so much of resources but the problem couldnt be solved infact the real problem was not even understood. now they know what the real reason is & till now they were spending on some thing else .the real reason was that after a certain age menstrual cycle starts in girls with which they couldnt attend their school & not that the parents understood the difference the girl and a boy child. If the Govt would have spent all the money on the right thing I think this problem could have been solved more easily. So the same thing applies to every problem .First we should understand the root causes & then only head on....!"

Hahaha...Bhai Dinesh, Tum to dhanye ho yaar!!!...
Are you sure you didn't post it on the wrong forum???

vikas
October 8th, 2003, 10:10 PM
hey rinu.........that was funny!!!

sweet
October 13th, 2003, 01:23 AM
well, this will come true .........................


cheers...............................

rkumar
October 14th, 2003, 10:57 PM
Soma Nashier (Oct 12, 2003 03:53 p.m.):
well, this will come true .........................


cheers...............................

I could see the first sign of this tonight while watching news at Star Channel. One call centre has employed European girls for languages like German, Belgian, Belgarian etc..Expert comments were that the number of such employees will increase manyfolds in next few years....

Rajendra

dineshm
October 15th, 2003, 01:44 PM
Well Kalkhunde sahab this is what I mean now they have good methods (like napkins) to counter that problem but in india u dont have that previlge in every house ofcorse many cannt afford it & most dont know abt it.

rbhakal
October 18th, 2003, 02:26 PM
dear renu
it could be happened in 2015.......but need more positive minds.....
regards
rajan