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adhanda
October 7th, 2004, 04:18 PM
Did You Know ?

*Maulana Abdul Kalam Azad, a so-called 'liberal' and 'secular' Muslim, led a campaign against 'Vande Maataram' on the grounds that it was 'anti-Islamic'. He had opposed the partition of India and Jawaharlal Nehru was quick to declare him 'a great nationalist leader', but the Maulana in his book "India Wins Freedom" has discussed the reason for his opposition. He was of the opinion that the creation of a separate Muslim state would divide the Muslim population and India would have fewer number of Muslims, thus dealing a blow to the process of Islamization of India, hence the opposition.

*The last rites of Mahatma Gandhi, Pt. Jawaharlal Nehru, Dr. Rajendra Prasad and Smt. Indira Gandhi were accompanied by renderings from the Bhagwad Geeta, the Quran and religious books of other religions; but the final rites of Dr. Zakir Hussain, Maulana Abdul Kalam Azad and Fakhruddin Ali Ahmad had renderings only from the Quran.

*In 1950, the then Maharaja of Indore, Yashwant Rao Holkar, wanted his son Richard, born of his American wife, to succeed him as the ruler of Indore. However, the then Prime Minister Jawaharlal Nehru (along with Sardar Patel and Rajendra Prasad) objected, making it clear that the son of his foreign wife could not succeed him. Nehru couldn't allow foreign blood even as a powerless Maharaja to inherit a title, let alone power!

*St. Francis Xavier, after whom many educational institutions are named in India, feverishly declared, “When I have finished baptising the people, I order them to destory the huts in which they keep their idols; and I have them break the statues of their idols into tiny pieces, since they are now Christians. I could never come to an end describing to you the great consolation which fills my soul when I see idols being destroyed by the hands of those who had been idolaters,” (from The Letters and Instructions of Francis Xavier, 1993, pp 117-8).

*In 2002, Karnataka State received Rs.72 crores as revenue from temples, returned Rs.10 crores for temple maintenance, and granted Rs.50 crores for madrasas and Rs.10 crores for churches. (Daily Pioneer, October 7, 2003.)

*After partition, when the Maharaja of Kashmir was harbouring the idea of retaining Kashmir as an independent kingdom, Sardar Vallabhbhai Patel had sent Guru Golwalkar of the RSS to convince the Maharaja to join India. After discussions with Guruji, the Maharaja was convinced and agreed to sign the Instrument of Accession to India.

*During the China war in 1962, the Swayamsevaks of the RSS swung into action mobilising support to the governmental measures in general and to the jawans in particular. Pandit Nehru was so impressed that he invited a Sangh contingent to take part in the Republic Day Parade of 26th January 1963. When, later on, some Congressmen raised their eyebrows over the invitation to Sangh, Pandit Nehru brushed aside the objections saying that all patriotic citizens had been invited to join the parade.

*The concept of Reiki originated in India, but it was rediscovered by Dr. Mikao Usui in Japan in the late 19th century. Dr. Usui was a Shingon Buddhist priest and a physician. He read about an ancient healing art in an 1100 year old Buddhist Manuscript and made a brief synthesis of the essence of this seven level Tantric teaching as Reiki.

*In 1895, eight years before the Wright brothers flew their first plane, Shivkar Bapuji Talpade and his wife gave a thrilling demonstration flight on the Chowpatty beach in Mumbai. Mr. Talpade, an erudite Sanskrit scholar, constructed his aeroplane named 'Marutsakha' based on the description of Vimanas available in the Vedas.

*The theory of the Ion Engine has been credited to Robert Goddard, long recognized as the father of Liquid-fuel Rocketry. It is claimed that in 1906, long before Goddard launched his first modern rocket, his imagination had conceived the idea of an Ion rocket. However, Shivkar Bapuji Talpade used an Ion Engine to take his plane to a height of 1500 ft. in 1895, many years before Goddard.

*A glass-like material which cannot be detected by radar has been developed by Prof Dongre, a research scholar of Benaras Hindu University, based on technology found in an ancient Sanskrit text, Vaimanika Shastra. A plane coated with this unique material cannot be detected using radar.

*Only a few years ago, the Chinese discovered some Sanskrit documents in Lhasa, Tibet and sent them to the University of Chandrigarh to be translated. Dr. Ruth Reyna of the university said that the documents contain directions for building interstellar spaceships! The Chinese announced that they were including certain parts of the documents for study in their space program.

*When the city of Mohenjodaro was excavated by archaeologists, they found skeletons just lying in the streets, some of them holding hands, as if some great doom had suddenly overtaken them. These skeletons are among the most radioactive ever found, on a par with those found at Hiroshima and Nagasaki. Ancient cities whose brick and stonewalls have literally been vitrified, that is-fused together, can be found in India, Ireland, Scotland, France, Turkey and other places. There is no logical explanation for the vitrification of stone forts and cities, except from an atomic blast.

*The Puranas speak of the creation and destruction of the universe in cycles of 8.64 billion years, that is quite close to currently accepted value regarding the time of the big bang.

*Indian astronomer, Brahmagupta, estimated in the 7th century that the circumference of the earth was 5000 yojanas. A yojana is around 7.2 kms. Calculating on this basis we see that the estimate of 36,000 kms as the earth's circumference comes quite close to the actual circumference known today.

*Indian astronomer, Aryabhatta was the first to have propounded the theory that the earth was a sphere in the 5th century.

*One of the greatest scientists of the 20th century, Erwin Schrodinger, was directly inspired by Vedanta in his creation of quantum mechanics, a theory at the basis of all our advances in chemistry, biochemistry, electronics, and computers.

*The Purusha Hymn of the Rigveda says that the mind is born of the moon. Recently, by research on volunteers, who stayed in underground caves for months without any watches or other cues about time, it was found that the natural cycle for the mind is 24 hours and 50 minutes. The period of the moon is also 24 hours and 50 minutes.

*The Nalanda University once housed 9 million books. It was the centre of education for scholars from all over Asia. Many Greek, Persian and Chinese students studied here. The university was burnt down by pillaging Muslim invaders who overran India in the 11th century.

*The Arab borrowed so much from India in the field of mathematics that even the subject of mathematics in Arabic came to known as Hindsa which means 'from India' and a mathematician or engineer in Arabic is called Muhandis which means 'an expert in Mathematics'.

*The Gumbaz that we see on mosques all over the world originated as the interlocking dome in the Stupa of the Buddhist architectural tradition of India.

*Those communities among the Hindus who are called Bhangi, Mehtar, Chookad, Hela, Valmik or Halaal Khor, etc. are actually descendants of brave Kshatriyas, who, inspite of many atrocities by tyrannical Muslim rulers, had refused to accept conversion to Islam. The Muslim tyrants, with a view to humiliate them to such an extent that they would forsake their faith and accept Islam, forced them into the work of carrying the night soil of the begums, keeps, relations, courtiers, etc.

*The Gypsies migrated from India to the west many centuries ago. They speak a language called Romany which has many common words with Indian languages and their religion is a modified form of early Hinduism. They seem to have been the Banjara nomads who are still found in India.

*The oral tradition of Vedic chanting has been declared an intangible heritage of humanity by UNESCO. In a meeting of jury members on November 7, 2003, at Paris, Mr. Koichiro Matsuura, Director-General of UNESCO, declared the chanting of Vedas in India an outstanding example of heritage and form of cultural expressions. The proclamation says that in the age of globalization and modernization when cultural diversity is under pressure, the preservation of oral tradition of Vedic chanting, a unique cultural heritage, has great significance.

*When the World Parliament of Religions passed a resolution a few years ago proclaiming that all religions were various pathways to One Ultimate Reality and called for unity and brotherhood of all religions, the Vatican came out with a prompt rejection of the view and emphatically proclaimed that Roman Catholicism was the only true religion and others could not be accepted to be true.

*Swatantryaveer Savarkar was the first Indian political leader to call for Swadeshi, and the first Indian leader who publicly performed a bonfire of foreign clothes (1906). (many years before Gandhiji)

*In a recent report, UNESCO pointed out that out of 128 countries where Jews lived before Israel was created in 1948, only one, India, did not persecute them and allowed them to prosper and practice Judaism in peace.

*In Goa neither the Shariat nor the Hindu Code applies. To this day the common Portuguese Civil Code applies.

*The Andaman and Nicobar islands were the first part of India to become free from the British rule. In 1943 the Indian National Army freed these islands and renamed them as Swaraj and Shaheed islands.

*Sardar Patel, Swantantryaveer Savarkar and Dr.B.R.Ambedkar had asked Nehru to protest against the Chinese invasion of Tibet. They had warned Nehru that China's take over of Tibet would destroy the only buffer state between China and India and would threaten the Indian borders. The 1962 Chinese attack proved their fears to be correct.

*'Hindu Kush' means Hindu slaughter. The Indian name for Hindu Kush mountain range was 'Paariyaatra Parvat'. Until 1000 A.D. the area of Hindu Kush was a full part of Hindu cradle. The name 'Hindu Kush' was given by the muslim conquerors indicating the Hindu genocide that took place in this region.

*Gandhiji's ashes were immersed in all the major rivers of the world like Nile, Volga, Thames, etc. except the Indus in Pakistan. The Pakistan government refused to immerse his ashes in the Indus, saying they didn't want to pollute it with the ashes of a kafir.

***Nathuram Godse's ashes are kept in an urn in his brother Gopal Godse's house. It was his dying wish that his ashes be immersed in the river Indus when India stands undivided again.

*The percentage of Hindus in Pakistan and Bangladesh after partition in 1947 was 17 and 25 respectively. Today their percentage is almost nil in Pakistan and 10.5 in Bangladesh.

*The so called Akbar, The Great - whose rule is said to have been secular and tolerant of the Hindu faith - had a victory tower erected with the heads of the captured and surrendered army of Hemu after the second battle of Panipat. Later, Akbar again slaughtered more than 30,000 unarmed captive Hindu peasants after the fall of Chittod on February 24, 1568.

*The original name for 'Lahore' is 'Lavapura' and for Kusoor is 'Kushpura'. These cities were originally founded by Lava and Kush, respectively.

*Chess originated in India. It was known to Indians as Chaturnaga. It was taken to Persia in the sixth century where it came to be known as Chatrang, which according to the Arabic phonetic system became Shatranj.

*The Sanskrit term 'Yogakshema' in the Rigveda meant some kind of insurance, which was practised by the Aryans in India nearly 3000 years ago. Manu, the ancient lawgiver, enjoined that a special charge be made on goods carried from one town to another, to ensure their safe carriage until handed over to the consignee at destination.

*According to official figures, 28,825,000 Indians starved to death between 1854 and 1901. The authority's carelessness and lack of foresight accentuated the misery caused by famines.

*The World's first university was established in Takshila in 700 BC. More than 10,500 students from all over the world studied more than 60 subjects. The campus accommodated 10,500 students who came from as far as Babylonia, Greece, Syria, Arabia, and China and offered over sixty different courses in various fields, such as science, mathematics, medicine, politics, warfare, astrology, astronomy, music, religion, and philosophy.

*The Grand Anicut, Kallanai, located on Cauvery River in Tamil Nadu, is the oldest dam in the world that is still in use today. This masonry dam was built in the 2nd century by Chola king Karikalan. It was remodeled and fitted with sluice gates in 1899-1902.

*Baudhayana gave the 'Pythagoras theorem' centuries before the Greeks in 800 BC.

*Pingala (400 BC) invented the binary number system which is the basic of computer operations.

*The Caspian sea, which in Vedic times was called Kasyapa Mira, has got its name from Rishi Kashyap.

*The art of Navigation was born in the river Sindhu 6000 years ago. The very word Navigation is derived from the Sanskrit word 'Navgatih'. The word navy is also derived from Sanskrit 'Nou'.

*USA based IEEE has proved what has been a century old suspicion in the world scientific community that the pioneer of wireless communication was Prof. Jagdeesh Bose and not Marconi.

shailendra
October 7th, 2004, 06:22 PM
...Gosh Abhishek, a lot of good resource information there. I am quite intrigued and amazed!!!

ps. Just on a side note (and not doubting that these must have surely come from a reliable source before you decided to post them)...but any comments from you about with how much conviction should we acknowledge the validity of some (or all) of these statements?

rkumar
October 7th, 2004, 07:18 PM
Some are certainly factual like JC bose inventing Radiowave communication, binary numbers etc.., but most look like RSS propaganda..

I just can not beleive that some one flew an aeroplane at chaupati in 1895 where there was so much photography and media available. How come no pictures and no remains of that great aircraft? How come British did not develop it further right here in India? There are many other stroies mentioned, i can not go in details.

Rajendra

itsnavin
October 7th, 2004, 08:04 PM
Kitne bhee facts list kar lo bhai...as there are no proofs attached and no media coverage, this just proves to be another futile effort. Even all Indians, those who read these facts, won't believe that this is true as there are no proofs or coverage by international media. They just forward this as another fun mail and forget it in an hour or so.
Anyway, if all this is true, this is height of poor presentation by India govt. Aaj kal ke jamaney mein to 'jiski lathi uski bhains' wali baat true hai.

nvedwan
October 7th, 2004, 08:37 PM
Let me paraphrase all these "achievements":

Long ago (nobody really knows how long ago, but presumably in Satyug), when we lived according to Dharma (meaning Brahmins ruled over society and everyone "knew their place"), people lived to be 250 years or longer (bhishma was 500 years old, or even older), flew around in udan khatolas (nowadays called Boeing, or whatever), fought with Divyastras (H-bombs) and basically ruled over the world.

All this wonderfull stuff, a big huge party where people discussed Quantum Mechanics and childre chanted Sanskrit mantras, came to an abrupt and ugly end when these darn muslims came and destroyed our society.

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"Those communities among the Hindus who are called Bhangi, Mehtar, Chookad, Hela, Valmik or Halaal Khor, etc. are actually descendants of brave Kshatriyas, who, inspite of many atrocities by tyrannical Muslim rulers, had refused to accept conversion to Islam. The Muslim tyrants, with a view to humiliate them to such an extent that they would forsake their faith and accept Islam, forced them into the work of carrying the night soil of the begums, keeps, relations, courtiers, etc."
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So, now we can blame Muslims for the creation of untouchability also! Of course there is no mention of caste system or untouchables in Hindu scriptures! It was Muslims and firangs who did it. Firangs, we don't want to talk about much these days, because they bring investment. We can compensate for that by become even more poisnous against Muslims. Om Namah Shivay!!

Lesson: We can all go back to the Golden Age, provided the "natural order" of things is restored. Which means that everyone should accept the supremacy of brahmins, including shudras like jats and Yadavas, do ganga snan regularly (who cares if it is polluted, anyway it comes out of Lord Shiva's Jata, how can it be polluted? Sounds like a Muslim conspiracy to defame our holy mother Ganga), make Sanskrit the official language. Om Namah Shivay!!!

Post script:

For anyone looking for diversion and fantasy, I would recommend sci fiction or fiction, in general. It is far more intelligent and entertaining.

navingulia
October 7th, 2004, 10:36 PM
too many points.
wish i could answer one at a time.
basically we are living in 2004, let us grow up and behave and think like grown ups.
it is very easy to get carried away

uday
October 7th, 2004, 11:43 PM
Jo chala gaya use bhool jaa....

what we are today & where we are standing is the question ??

adhanda
October 8th, 2004, 01:21 AM
I think most of the achievements listed above are true. Just that western media dint cover these, and western scholars dint think the same way cant disprove these. Remember the famous Aryan invasion theory, postulated by west, and says that there was no developed civilization before so called aryans came. You can find lots of article against such a theory.

well offcourse, one can also 'ignore' some of the controversial points, and i guess most of them are certainly the one against muslims, for the gandhi/nehru followers.

Anyways, I got these from a web site, and i thought it worth posting.

just a note taken from another website

"But none of the two men (Marconi and Tesla) was the first to demonstrate publicly the use of radio waves, the indian physicist Jagdish Chandra Bose was the first to do this en November 1894 in Calcutta, but he was not interested in patenting his work (see IEEE Virtual Museum)."

Best.
Abhishek

jagmohan
October 8th, 2004, 09:48 AM
Even if all of these were true, the only question that comes to mind is this.

How can people with such glorious past be reduced to be having such a useless present and even more hopeless future???

navingulia
October 8th, 2004, 10:49 PM
I have read both the 'Quran' and the 'Bible' and both books very clearly and repeatedly say that any body following any other religion is the biggest criminal in eyes of God/Allah. Hindus are referred to as non-beleivers and idolators- people who pray to stones and dont beleive in God.
Why I mention this?
Because any one who is a staunch follower of either bible or Quran, will by default be against other religions.
Christianity says that God is testing every one's faith and on judgement day, all people other than christians, will be wiped off by God. God is very jealous. He doesnt want you to worship any other God, visit any other place of worship or give respect to any other religion/God.
Islam says that the world is to be conquered and converted to islam. then only there will be peace. Some muslim leaders oppose 'vande mataram' because 'vande mataram' means 'we pray to you mother(india)' and in Islam you can pray only to Allah, thats why 'vande mataram' is considered unislamic by some.
Hinduism? Well, emerging from the vedic philosophy of science and facts. Today, it has been majorly reduced to meaninglessly following rituals without understanding.

The fact is that every religion has been written by man at different times and places in history. and the teachings and principles of the religion have been dependent on the conditions prevelant in the society at that time.

Hindus, muslims and christians- who get open and modern education, understand this and accept each other. Those who are brainwashed to follow aspects of a religion, are the cause of problems everywhere.

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Mass crimes have been committed in hisotry by all religions including hinduism. We cannot let our thoughts and actions defined by them.
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Claims to expertise in the past have been made by many civilizations but it doesnt mean much today. Today, it is important, where we are at present and where we head from here. We have to work towards our development. (As mentioned above by Lt Col Jagmohan Malik sir.)
Education is the solution to all problems.
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jatrix
October 11th, 2004, 12:13 PM
hi abhishek
an awesome mail.... well even if a cent of all this is true .., there is every reason for us to be proud and rather introspect that where did we go wrong??
though there are some very contoversial issues which we should rather overlook , as dwelling over them may leave us frustrated and disturbed!!...
how does it matter to us (NOW), that muslims were resp. for creating lower castes, history cant be changed!
similarly the secular character of maulana azad or the weird belief of christianity that one cant even pray the motherland, then the refusal of vatican to admit all religion approach ... will lead us to a disgusted state ,we jus cant change it!
but wat we should ponder upon is that why despite of having had such a glorious past , we 've ended up as third world nation!
the ans is simple.... we 've been corrupted!!
we proudly claim that india is gr8 n secular as it absorbed all the religions but basically we had let all the invaders flourish in india n we let them spread their own beliefs which were no doubt of inferior std.
after having been ruled over by british ,we basically lost the self respect, the zeal to develop was dead looong bak , during muslim invasions n subsequent estb of slave dyansty at delhi! our forgiving attitude led prithvi raj chauhan's debacle.... who was the last strong pillar of hindus in north!
once the british raj came , we became dependent..... though they were parasites ,we started looking upto them , to bring new tech in india.... we lost the innovative touch n jus as a child becomes crippled if he doesnt move n use his legs as an infant, we too lost the acumen to invent , we were now lagging...
n once u lose the lead it is damn tough to bounce back n take back the leading ground!!,,, india is no doubt pursuing hard to fetch back the lost glory!!... lets hope the IT industry , textiles and telecom sector will pump in the enthu n confidence we lost in last few centuries!
we are shedding the complacent nature n "chalta hai attitude".... it's the turning point we are on!!.. n we cant feel it as strongly as we ourselves are a part of it!!... (theory of relativity)...
so cheers guys!!
we'll revive!
signing off
naresh

rksehrawat
October 12th, 2004, 09:16 AM
Amazing collection of facts.

kumarjee
January 12th, 2005, 09:26 PM
I admire you for your research and articulation.
Please get in touch with me anytime.
Satyendra Kumar
Kumarjee@Hotmail.com

devdahiya
January 12th, 2005, 11:50 PM
MY DEAR ABHISHEK,


VERY WELL DONE AND KEEP IT UP.I ADMIRE YOUR PATIANCE...............tHANX






dev

cityboy
January 13th, 2005, 02:28 AM
Although i agree, it's hard to verify all the stated facts but there is no question that Vedas have way lot more hidden scientific knowledge than what most people(even indians) acknowledge. Required is an institution which can research deep into the vedas and can provide innovative works in the field of science and culture.
** I am sure, no one will be amazed if such an institution opens in some country like china or usa rather than in INDIA !!!

I feel frustated about the stated fact that Karnataka government did spend most of the money from temples on madrasas. It's shocking how so little people know about it.