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harvindermalik
November 27th, 2002, 02:20 AM
ye shayad kuchh bhiyo ko mazak lage pr bat sochne wali hai ki..Shaadi byah ke mouke pe ya vaar-tyohaar pe hr koum ke log traditional cloths pahnte hai.. chahe wo Punjabi ho ya Gujrati..prrr..jato ki shadiyo me ya vaar tyohaar pr kbhi koi young jatni Ghaghri pahne na dekhi!!!!!! na chhore Dhoti Kurta pahante!!!!
Kya such me hamare Dadi naniyo ki ye dress itni buri thi???

singhkapoor
November 27th, 2002, 04:02 AM
BHAI

YE GORI (AMERICAN) TO KHOOB PAHAREN SAI. BUS THODI SI HALKI HO SE INKI GHAAGRI.

MANNE LAAGE SE EK BAAR SHRU HO GYA FASHION TO SAB PAHARAN LAAG JYA GI.

WISHFUL THINKING? HARVINDER BHAI KISE FASHION DESIGNER TE YO IDEA DE.....KHOOB HIT HO SKE SE.

patent bhi ho ske se ke iska? hahahaha.

kapoor singh

amar0974
November 27th, 2002, 01:10 PM
Bhai eb ke loogaian Main Itni Jaane Kona Ke Itna Bharey Bharkam Ghagra Sambal Saken, Ar Pher Peher Bhey Liya to Dhuna Muskal, Ar Kukara Dho Bhey Diya t isa Koye Dhobey Nahi Hindustan me Jo Uspa Press Bitha Dey. Ar tane bera a hai bhai ke Bina Press Aaj Kaal Log Jurab Bhey Nahi Pehertey, Ghagra to door ke baat se.
Hahaaaa................ise ise kai karan hain jaan ta na peher te.

rajendersingh
November 27th, 2002, 02:59 PM
bhai gathwala saab,

baat to apki bilkul thik se .lakin ajkal ki ladkian to ghagra tabi paheni gi jab ajkal ke ladke dhoti,kurta,safa aur juti pehan ke chalan lagen ge.yon to tai aur tau yo kam karan lag rahe se

harvindermalik
November 27th, 2002, 04:19 PM
bhai Gaghra jai bhari lagai sai to thoda halka banwa lyo...aur jai dhon mai dikkat sai to..log SOD bhi to dhovai sai..bhai dhon mai dikkat un dina ki bat sai jab KUE tai paani khichana padai tha..eb tai NALKE ghar ghar pahunch gye sai aur washing m.. bhi..arrr mera ishara well to do jat family ki taraf sai.. rhi bat chhorya ki..un nai bhi chahiye kadai kadai kisi khas mouke pai dhoti kurtya pahan le...suthri chees sai ...mai to apni bat bta sku su CHANDIGARH GIRL hostel mai bhi Dhoti kurta pahan kai chala jaya karta..ar meri Shaadi mai mumbai mai bhi mai bhi arr mere yaar dost bhi sab haryanvi dhoti kurte ar khandwe mai the ..
asal bat ya sai ak JAT ki nai pidhi apni culture tai sharmavai sai... byah shaadi mai bhi gaane punjabi hi bjawange...

harvindermalik
November 27th, 2002, 04:25 PM
koum wahi tarrkki karti hai jo apni sanskruti pai naz karti ho.. iska example khatar dur dekhan jan ki bhi na jarurat sai..PUNJABIYO se hi sikh lena chahiye.. punjabi bhasha punjabi pahnawa .. punjabi food ko unhone dunia ke kone kone mai faila diya

sanjaychhikara
November 27th, 2002, 04:41 PM
Bhai malik,

I don’t think that we (the young generation) are hiding ourselves form our culture. I think that we are proud of it that we are JAT! But you have to think about the fact that if we wear like for example a doti, its not representing to others, they will think that we are a dehati, also they will think that we are not adopting to this new generation of globalization. They will see us a backward class. I can tell u from my own experience that I have wear kurta pajama on a few occasions here and many people think then that we are Muslims. That’s why I don’t wear them in public here. One more thing I don’t think the new generation finds them comfortable.

Please tell me if my views a wrong.

harvindermalik
November 27th, 2002, 06:06 PM
bhai sanjay...tera kahna ki...they will think that we are a dehati, also they will think that we are not adopting to this new generation of globalization. They will see us a backward class.

yhi to asal bimari hai young jat mai ki kahin hume koi dehati na kah de....sorry to say but hum sab ki roots dehat me hai.. hamara culture haritege dehat ki hai to kya hame apni roots pr sharmana chahiye????? mera kahna ye nahi hai ki college mai university mai jao dhoti pahan ke..mera ishara to shaadi byah..ya khas tyohar ke liye hi tha... aapne likha ki kurta pajama..log muslim samzate hai..ye bhi is bat ka udhaharan hai ki nai pidhi ko pura pata hi nahi hai...kurta pajama.. aurto ki suit salwar such mai Muslim hai... kyonki muslim hamre saath rahte the partition se pahle to dheere dheere unse hamne adopt kr liya... jya sochna..kya kabhi SARDAR (Sikh) ko sharmate dekha hai pagdi pr... kya ve globalization ka hissa nhi hai..???kya BHangda dance dehati nahi hai..kya unka dhol dehati nahi hai..???.kya unki MAKKI ki roti ar sarso ka saag dehati nahi hai.. phir bhi wo kitne proud se apni cheejo ko apnate hai .... kya GARBA dance gujrat ke dehat ka nahi hai..kya gujrati ghaghra chgoli dehati nahi hai.???.lekin wo log mumbai mai ho ya USA me har saal NAVRATRI pr kitne shouk se pahnte hai se sab..krodpatito ke bachche bhi yhi sab pahnate hai.. unke saamne to hamara paise ka byout kuchh bhi na hai...
hamare log to Videsho me 1990 ke bad gayer hai wo to 1800 mai pahunch liye..

apne ko URBAN sabit karne ke liye apni roots pr hi sharmana apne ko galatfahmi me rakhne jaisa hi hai..
such to ye hai ki pure india ki roots DEHAT hai..
kya dehat itna bura hai ki use chhupaya jaye.. dehat ek Saadgi sarlta ..arr bhai chhre ka hi to nam hai.. JAT word bhi dehat ka hi diya hua hai...

sanjaychhikara
November 27th, 2002, 06:22 PM
Malik bhaisaab,

I totally agree with u on the fact that jats a dehati, I am proud of that but what my meaning was that I think many people have a different opinion on the word dihaat. My opinion was to say that many people think that dihati are unlettered, unmannered etc...

I have one more question for you. do you think we jats should conversate in hindi or in haryavnavi, jato. This has been bothering me since a long time, should we talk, converstate, in hind or jato?

harvindermalik
November 27th, 2002, 06:40 PM
bhai agar samne jat hai to 100% haryanavi me bat karni chahiye..isme sochne wali bat hi kya hai..jatu ya haryanvi hamari mother toung hai..hum apne emotion sahi se apni mother toung me hi convey kr sakte hai..saari dunia aise hi karti hai... hindi english bhi achhi ho to achha hai jhan aapko samne wala dusre state ka ya country ka mile to aap ko behichak HINDI ya English ka pryog karna chahiye... jabardasti apni bhasha thopna bhi thik na hai...

jat ki dikkat hi ye hai ya to badlta nahi ar jab badlata hai to pura badal jata hai....

jab padhe likhe log bhi jatu ya haryanvi use karenge tabhi to mahoul banega.. mai to apani btata hu.. mumbai me 10 saal ho gye almost har top star janta hai..pr kabhi na chhupana pda mera jat hona haryanvi hona ya rohtaki hona... yhan 25-30 haryanvi hai mere saath ke all are well to do ...lekin jab bhi milte hai ya phone pe bat karte hai to itne theth ki itne to SAMPLE mai e ho sakai sai???
bhai..BHASHA saari sikho... koi galat bat na hai..pr apni na chhodo...
jis desh mai hai tu uski bhi jarur sikh liye..

sanjaychhikara
November 27th, 2002, 06:55 PM
Thanks for your satisfying answer malik bhai

ranjitjat
November 27th, 2002, 08:26 PM
Harvinder Bhai very nice 100 % agree with you well done.
Bhai mm apaki baat sy puri tarah sahmat hu.
Hamko Panjabi- Gujratio sy sikhana chahiye.
Apani matat bhasa-sanskarti aur roots ko nahi bhulana chahiya.
Ham aaj bhi haryanvi bolaty han-apana khanpan hh- Meharsingh- chandrawal & apaky ganay london mae sunaty hh.
Isi baat per Haryana Association bana rakha hh.
Jats- Jatani- bachey khub nachaty han.
Hamary Bachay- Cambridge mae top karky bhi aaj bhi haryanvi- Jatuu mae bat karatay han.
Kuch logo ko complex hh. Jitander- baety ki saddi ky samaya.
Hamany Dhoti- kurta- pagadi walo ko barati bana kar le-maredian hotel mae nacha diya tha.
DELHI ka JAT Akar bola- Choudhry Apany ta Record Tod diya-AAJ TAK MAredian mae kisi JAT KI - MARRIAGE PARTY NAHI HUE SS-
Maney kaha bhai- DHOTI-kurata balonay
Cambridge- USA mae bhi record tod rahay han.
JATLAND JATUU likhnay per 1 Bhai nu bola.
ENGLAND REHKAR BHI English nahi sekhi.
Poetry ta English mae ho ss.
England rahkar jo apani - bhasa - jatuu bolaty han unako log murak- anadi bhi samajhaty han.
Yah Apani 2 samaj hi han.
UP-Haryana-Delhi-Rajsathan KI sanskirti- culture 1 hh.maney Haryanvi jat honka- Jatuu bolanka- garav hh- Lakhmi- Mehar singh ki Deshi ragani sun kar khosi hoti hh. Apani bhasa mae baat karniya miljata ha tao moj si hoja ss.

shokeen123
November 27th, 2002, 08:41 PM
Time for a Jatni's perspective...

1. Cultural Heritage:

To continue certain well worth cultural traditions is never a mistake, so absolutely, wearing a regional dress or jewelry on special occasions such as weddings, festivals and other social gatherings helps carry on the tradition. However, men should be equally inclusive in this process!

2. Cultural Sentiments:

Some dresses and or jewelry items from our past have nostalgic sentimental value. I still have my mothers’ “Nath” (nose ring) she gave me as a wedding gift. It’s a rare, antique piece of jewelry with precious gems, very dear to my heart. Although it is not practical to wear it now as it were intended to be worn when designed, I do use it as a broach on special occasions, and some day I will pass on to my daughter.

3. Balance between old and new:

The new and old can blend provided one can walk on the tightrope maintaining a fine balance, i.e., Dehati vs. the modern image. One can never be inferior for having known by his or her original identity. One shouldn’t however, be overtly fanatic about one’s culture, and never too shy to blend in with others, as a sign of tolerance of other cultures.

3. Objectivity:

Finally, one has to be objective and practical. The massive Ghaghra from the olden days has come of age, and is really a thing of the past. It was very heavy, used lot of material and energy to maintain, and was not practical to wear. However, a light, modified version done in good taste is certainly an option. These days life is so hectic that the ease of maintenance overtakes any other consideration, be it clothing, house, car, or any other household appliance!

biotechs2001
November 29th, 2002, 01:19 AM
Jato ki sanskrti khatam karne mai media bhee kum na sai...
1. TV pai kitne serial dekhe aapne jimse jaat sankriti to chhodo gaav ki story e ho?

2. TV programmes mai kaha dikhate hai ki log khato(Charpai) pai baith ke baat kar re ho? thaliyo ka roti kha re ho? gharo mai bhaise ho? Tractor jinka vehicle ho? Blah..blah..Blah.

3.Filmo mai na tai Jat sanskriti kai gaane milenge na story... ...aaj tahi kisi Hindi Film mai hero ragaani maine to Raagani gata dekhaya na. jit dekho punjabi..punjabi... blle..blle hoti reh sai.

4. apna Rohtak Radio hee dekh lo kitna time de sai HARYANVI MUSIK TAHI??

Baat woh hogi ak " Raat ke Mare baba nai kade tahi rove."

But we dont need to be disappointed because our Hukka sanskriti is very much existing.

ndahiya
November 29th, 2002, 01:47 AM
hi!

intesting to see only one lady responding to the post... rest all male respondents...

and this when it is a issue concerning women! he he

a commentry on something?

nitin

devdahiya
February 12th, 2005, 01:17 AM
Bhai eb ke loogaian Main Itni Jaane Kona Ke Itna Bharey Bharkam Ghagra Sambal Saken, Ar Pher Peher Bhey Liya to Dhuna Muskal, Ar Kukara Dho Bhey Diya t isa Koye Dhobey Nahi Hindustan me Jo Uspa Press Bitha Dey. Ar tane bera a hai bhai ke Bina Press Aaj Kaal Log Jurab Bhey Nahi Pehertey, Ghagra to door ke baat se.
Hahaaaa................ise ise kai karan hain jaan ta na peher te.

Well said Amar bhai. AAjkal 4 meter ka suit ar ek duppatta bess. BUT WHAT HARVINDER BHAI HAS BROUGHT OUT HAS A GREAT RELEVENCE TO OUR VERY ETHOS. Modernisation appani jagah par sanskaar aur pehnawa appni jagah. Kaun kehta hei ke dhotti-kuddte mein,saffa bandh ke jawan chora dehatti lagge se.Katti galat bat...........Dhangg tein pehrya hodd dhotti-kuddta aur saffa badde-baddyan ne ghayal karde........sahi ghabhroo te chhora ussmein-e dikkhhe se. Aur bhai GHAGRI KITNI-E BHARI HO........chhori jitana sunder Gandass uss mein deekh jya gi na aur kisse bhi dress mein nahin deekh sakti. My wife participated in a solo dance in a huge gathering of people from other cultures but she was adjudged THE WINNER........and mind you i found her most attractive in that attire.............Aggar kisse bhai ke shakk ho te mein wo photto yahan paste bhi kar sakta huun. Bhai Harvinder Ji GOOD AND TIMELY THREAD FROM YOU.I HAD TO REALLY DIG IT OUT TODAY.......THANX

ramksehrawat
February 12th, 2005, 07:30 AM
Iska main reason mere khyal mein yeh hai ki hamare dimag mein logo ne, khaskar punjabiyon ne yeh baitha diya hai ki haryanvi, specially jats, dehati ganwar hote hain aur lagta hai hamari psyche ne bhi yeh baat maan lee hai. Shaayad apni dress, language sab kuchh chhod kar, punjabiyon ki dress etc. apna kar hum yeh saabit karna chahte hain ki nahin hum ganwar nahi, hum bhi tumhare jase hi hain. Bhole jaat. Aisa nahin hai ki log ghaghre ke lupt hone se anjaan hain. Ek din ek tau kah raha tha : "bhai ibb te kua pujan bhi suit, sariyan main jaan laag gi, ghaghra te pahrna ei chhod diya. Doosra bola : "bhai yeh ke ghaghra pahrangi, inke naam ei isse najuk-2 se sai. Yeh pinki, babli, muni har ke ghaghra pahran jogi sai. Ghaghra te Bhateri, Bharpai, Chhanno har ei pahar sake thi, jo ghaghra pahar ke doghad paani ki laya karti. Yeh Pinki-sinki har to 10 minute ghaghra pahar ke behosh ho jyangi." Very true, may be in the absence of hard work our girls have become too delicate and no more able to carry the load of ghaghras. They prefer light dresses, what if it is at the cost of our culture. Moreover, upkeep of ghaghras is a tedious job in today's fast paced life.

I agree with Dev Dahiya. Jaat ki ladki ki sundarta ghaghre pahre paachh aur nikhar jati hai. I had the occasion to attend a reception at Oberoi Hotel in Delhi some 15 years ago. The girl (though MBBS) when came to reception was attired in Ghaghra and full set of jewellary. The whole hotel was resonating with her chhama-chham and everybody, specially foreigners, were falling over each other to take a photograph of the girl. That was a scene I will never foreget. I think our ladies will take a cue and try to keep ghaghra alive, at least on important occasions. I wonder, if the present-day tailors will be able to sew this !!!

Nitin has rightly pointed out that only males are discussing this subject whereas the ladies are missing. I think they can answer this in a better way.

vickypanwar
February 12th, 2005, 07:57 AM
Complex te bhai jaroor sai jattan main apni boli, pehnave aur rehn-sehn ne leke.
Main khuskismat sun, kade haryane main konya rahya par parents ne haryanvi pehlyan sikhai ar gharan saari haana haryanvi main e baat hoya kare.
College main bhi annual functions pe dhoti/kurta aur khandua peher ke kai baar gaya.

I really enjoy my language, traditional dress, and just about everything about haryana, jats and India in general.

devdahiya
February 12th, 2005, 08:14 AM
Iska main reason mere khyal mein yeh hai ki hamare dimag mein logo ne, khaskar punjabiyon ne yeh baitha diya hai ki haryanvi, specially jats, dehati ganwar hote hain aur lagta hai hamari psyche ne bhi yeh baat maan lee hai. Shaayad apni dress, language sab kuchh chhod kar, punjabiyon ki dress etc. apna kar hum yeh saabit karna chahte hain ki nahin hum ganwar nahi, hum bhi tumhare jase hi hain. Bhole jaat. Aisa nahin hai ki log ghaghre ke lupt hone se anjaan hain. Ek din ek tau kah raha tha : "bhai ibb te kua pujan bhi suit, sariyan main jaan laag gi, ghaghra te pahrna ei chhod diya. Doosra bola : "bhai yeh ke ghaghra pahrangi, inke naam ei isse najuk-2 se sai. Yeh pinki, babli, muni har ke ghaghra pahran jogi sai. Ghaghra te Bhateri, Bharpai, Chhanno har ei pahar sake thi, jo ghaghra pahar ke doghad paani ki laya karti. Yeh Pinki-sinki har to 10 minute ghaghra pahar ke behosh ho jyangi." Very true, may be in the absence of hard work our girls have become too delicate and no more able to carry the load of ghaghras. They prefer light dresses, what if it is at the cost of our culture. Moreover, upkeep of ghaghras is a tedious job in today's fast paced life.

I agree with Dev Dahiya. Jaat ki ladki ki sundarta ghaghre pahre paachh aur nikhar jati hai. I had the occasion to attend a reception at Oberoi Hotel in Delhi some 15 years ago. The girl (though MBBS) when came to reception was attired in Ghaghra and full set of jewellary. The whole hotel was resonating with her chhama-chham and everybody, specially foreigners, were falling over each other to take a photograph of the girl. That was a scene I will never foreget. I think our ladies will take a cue and try to keep ghaghra alive, at least on important occasions. I wonder, if the present-day tailors will be able to sew this !!!

Nitin has rightly pointed out that only males are discussing this subject whereas the ladies are missing. I think they can answer this in a better way.

16 anne baat kehdi RK bhai ne,Ek aur sunno:APPNI BHASYA,APPNI ROOTS AUR APNE SANSKAAR KI IJJAT KARANIYA AADMI-E DHARTI PUTTAR HOTTA HEI,BAKKI TE ADDANGGA HO SE. ANGREZI AUR PANJABBI TEHMEEZ HAMARRI PEHCHAN NAHIN...........HAMMARI PEHCHAN TO WO TAU KA DOGGA,MARRAN GE SALLE KE LATHH, ARRE DANGRAN NE PANNI PYALYA, HOKKA BHARIYE BHAI,THARI ISSI,TISSI KARI SE AUR TAWLA-TAWLA KARLE BHAI AADI-2 MEIN-E SAROBAR SE.CHAHE KISSE NE YA GANWAAR LAGTI HO CHAHE JANN TEIN PYARI LAGTI HO.BHAI MEIN TE APPNI HAREK CHEEZ KA CHAHETTA HUUN AR MHARE TEIN BHAGWAN AUR MHARE BUJURGAN NE JO BHI KOOCHH DIYA SE WO GHANNA ND DIYA..............WA BAAT ALAG SE KE AGGAR MHARE JISSE MODERN BOTTADOO UNN CHEZZAN NE IZZAT KE SAATH AAGE NE FAKAR KE SAATH NAHIN BADHHA SAKTE TE FER KASOOR MHARE PADD DADDA KA konya BHAI?

Baala,Kamla aur nirmla, 40 killo ka jathhar inka
Ghagre mein ye hojyan RAHLLAM-PAHLLAM, Pehnawa se KATTER[Small piece of cloth] inka.

Paher ghagri challen gi te, chakkar aakke padd jyangi
Dhowen gi te saanss bhool jyan,paddi ghaghari sidd jyangi
Figure dekho inki bhai, jathhar innka chhotta tinka.
BALLA, KAMLA............................................. ......

ramksehrawat
February 12th, 2005, 09:20 AM
Baala,Kamla aur nirmla, 40 killo ka jathhar inka
Ghagre mein ye hojyan RAHLLAM-PAHLLAM, Pehnawa se KATTER[Small piece of cloth] inka.

Paher ghagri challen gi te, chakkar aakke padd jyangi
Dhowen gi te saanss bhool jyan,paddi ghaghari sidd jyangi
Figure dekho inki bhai, jathhar innka chhotta tinka.
BALLA, KAMLA............................................. ......[/QUOTE]


Good one Dahiya sahab. Another Mehar Singh in the making !!! Lage raho.

nitiz
February 12th, 2005, 04:36 PM
Hay;

I love bright colours, especially at festival time like "Valentine Day" ,the dazzling dresses literally, with lots of tinsel. Typically, any day I love to wear a knee length Skirts made from just a "single" Piece of fabric and short Sleeve Less Top. Keep my hairs open. Yes some light silver jewellery too.

Come on grow up ....Its high time Let the Jat woman liberate.
Let them come out of their Ghagri...!! :p

Katee Chaala sain...!!.....21 sheedi main bhe Ghagri ke baat karoo so....We don't have Ghagri even in "Museum" :)

Chalo gotta go..!!

kulwant
February 12th, 2005, 06:35 PM
Malik Bhai,

You have really brought a very good topic to discuss on this forum.
Though dresses and way of living changes with time and according to the convinience of the people at that particular time.

But you are absolutely right to say that these Dresses can be worn during some special events to remind us of our traditions. Offcourse it is applicable to Jats and Jatnis.

bhai Gaghra jai bhari lagai sai to thoda halka banwa lyo...aur jai dhon mai dikkat sai to..log SOD bhi to dhovai sai..bhai dhon mai dikkat un dina ki bat sai jab KUE tai paani khichana padai tha..eb tai NALKE ghar ghar pahunch gye sai aur washing m.. bhi..arrr mera ishara well to do jat family ki taraf sai.. rhi bat chhorya ki..un nai bhi chahiye kadai kadai kisi khas mouke pai dhoti kurtya pahan le...suthri chees sai ...mai to apni bat bta sku su CHANDIGARH GIRL hostel mai bhi Dhoti kurta pahan kai chala jaya karta..ar meri Shaadi mai mumbai mai bhi mai bhi arr mere yaar dost bhi sab haryanvi dhoti kurte ar khandwe mai the ..
asal bat ya sai ak JAT ki nai pidhi apni culture tai sharmavai sai... byah shaadi mai bhi gaane punjabi hi bjawange...

mukeshkumar007
February 12th, 2005, 07:49 PM
Dear Harmindra, It is realy a very good topic.
Iske piche karan yeh hai ki hum LKK (Loge Kya Kahenge) Ke bare maie bhut worried hote hai. Hamari zindgi maie hum kuch bi work karte usse pehle hum yeh sochte hai ki log kya khenge and that is the major problem.


First let me put a one story that was happened with me in previous year at Hishar.

Halanki maie pehle kabi Hariyana nahi gaya tha lakin ek bar maie apne brother (Mamaji ka Larka) jo ki army maie hai, se milne Hishar gaya tha. When i was returning then ek clean doti kurta pehne 30-32 year ka person bus maie chada. he was trying to see a vacant seat. Maie uski dress se bhut impress huwa tha aur maine usko seat de dee. Itne maie after sometime 5-6 girl bus maie chadi thi. Bus maie aur jyada seat vacant nahi thi so all these girl were standing in gallary, meanwhile maine us person se introduction kar liya & he was also belonging from rajasthan and a Jat. His name was Balbir. He was a lecturer of English Literature . Itna sunke maie to buri terha surprised ho gaya and maie yakin hi nahi kar paya ki itna educated person is tehra dohti kurta pehan sakta hai. Itne maie un larkiyo maie se ek ke mr birbalji ka leg tuch ho gaya and she started crying and call him "Gawar". In her word " Ae gawar keha keha se aa jate hai. Yeh village nahi hai, city hai. Manners Sikho " &Us girl ne english maie bi gali nikalna start kar di. Pehle to balbirji naie keha ki "kya ho gaya, yeh to crowed ki wajah se huwa hai. But jab wo girls nahi ruki to balbirji naie bi English bolna start kar diya. Ek doti kurta pehne huwe Person ko English bolta dekh un larkiyo ki bi siti piti gum ho gayi. Muje bi hanshi ane lag gayi thi. Then One girls asked him that aap kya karte hai. To balbir ji ne reply kiya i am lecturer. Age to wo larkiya Chup ho gai.
Bad maie balbirji naie un larkiyo ko acha kasha lesson parha dala and wo silently sunti rehi. All passengers were also enjoying and paraised him.
He told that we should be modern in our work but we should not forget our traditions and culture whatever have god or bad.
Unse milne ke bad maie muje samaj maie aya ki modernization kya hoti hai.

ramksehrawat
February 13th, 2005, 06:14 AM
Katee Chaala sain...!!.....21 sheedi main bhe Ghagri ke baat karoo so....We don't have Ghagri even in "Museum" :)

Chalo gotta go..!![/FONT][/QUOTE]

Nitiji, agar galti se bhi kisi ek hit film main kisi heroin ne ghaghri pahan li to, aap 21 sadi ki baat kar rahin hain, ladkiyan 50vi sadi tak ghaghra pahnegi aur jo ghaghri museum main bhi nahin hain woh cities main balconies main sukhti dikhayi dene lagengi. Are you reading Mr. Ashwini Chaudhary ? I request you to introduce you this dress in your next film !!!

devdahiya
February 13th, 2005, 08:40 AM
Single piece ka skirt paher ke DADDi challi mele mein
Thha ke ghagree fenk dai bhai,chho ke bhundde rele mein


Nyun boli yo 52 gajj ka,konya bass mein aawe
lachar-pachar yo chal banna de,konya manne suhawe
mein pehroon gi sleeveless manne janna se aaj mele mein.
THHA KE................................................ .......

Tai -Daddi kuchh bhi pehro,bolanniya hum koon huye
Bakhat badalge,shokk badalge,rhe ge ghagre dhre-dhre
bal khol dyo,banno modren.paddo duniya kue-jhere mein.
THHA kE................................................ .....

rkumar
February 13th, 2005, 03:20 PM
I have a strong feeling that if Ghagri is redesigned and presented smartly, it will be a hit item. May be at next Suraj Kund art & craft festival one comes with a fashion show exclusively on various versions of Ghagri...I have few ideas and would be more than happy to share if some one wants to venture into it..

RK^2

devdahiya
February 13th, 2005, 04:32 PM
I have a strong feeling that if Ghagri is redesigned and presented smartly, it will be a hit item. May be at next Suraj Kund art & craft festival one comes with a fashion show exclusively on various versions of Ghagri...I have few ideas and would be more than happy to share if some one wants to venture into it..

RK^2


RAJENDRA JI,


KASSUTTA SUGGESTION...................KYA BAAT HAI BHAI?

rameshlakra
February 14th, 2005, 10:13 AM
nitin bhai
jatniya ka tey bera na par is jat ne ghagra pher ke dekh rakhya sey.

ek din apnee nani ka ghagra pher ke dekhya tha, 20 kilo ka ghagra .ib nu bataoo aaj kaal kee nazuk choriya ne 20 kilo ka ghagra pher liya te utha e na ja, bethye pacchey ... :D .
arr choriya ney bhee rahan dyo ....aaj kaal key chorya e tey na uthaa ja .............haha

mein tey bhai dhoti arr khandwa pherna seekhan aala su. any taker ..

dineshmalik
February 14th, 2005, 01:12 PM
Ms. Niti,

I have observed, when any jat brother/sister is putting his/her views on the forum, you come in between & put your views. It is very good to share your views with others but it should be in a healthy spirit. I am not able to understand that what you want to prove everytime by writing against.

Grow up!!!!!!!!


Hay;

I love bright colours, especially at festival time like "Valentine Day" ,the dazzling dresses literally, with lots of tinsel. Typically, any day I love to wear a knee length Skirts made from just a "single" Piece of fabric and short Sleeve Less Top. Keep my hairs open. Yes some light silver jewellery too.

Come on grow up ....Its high time Let the Jat woman liberate.
Let them come out of their Ghagri...!! :p

Katee Chaala sain...!!.....21 sheedi main bhe Ghagri ke baat karoo so....We don't have Ghagri even in "Museum" :)

Chalo gotta go..!!

rkumar
February 14th, 2005, 01:44 PM
Hay;

I love bright colours, especially at festival time like "Valentine Day" ,the dazzling dresses literally, with lots of tinsel. Typically, any day I love to wear a knee length Skirts made from just a "single" Piece of fabric and short Sleeve Less Top. Keep my hairs open. Yes some light silver jewellery too.

Come on grow up ....Its high time Let the Jat woman liberate.
Let them come out of their Ghagri...!! :p

Katee Chaala sain...!!.....21 sheedi main bhe Ghagri ke baat karoo so....We don't have Ghagri even in "Museum" :)

Chalo gotta go..!!

I can imagine Niti..How about one of that picture here on Jatland ? Es picture me to kuch bhi pata nahi chalta..

RK^2

amar0974
February 14th, 2005, 06:01 PM
Merey Khayal se Kisi bhey chez ke Publicity ke leye Electronic Media (TV) ek shashakt maadyam ha. Or agar hamey apney pehraway ar sanskriti ka parchar karna ha to ham iskey saharey ke bena nahi kar saktey. Hamara koi channel he nahi hai jo hamarey sanskriti ka darshan karata ho, Jis Jeez ke barey ma jayada parchar keya jayega, usey ka chalan jayada hoga. Pubjabi log inhey sub madhayamo se parchar kartey hain. Zee TV pa ek Karyakaram aaya kara 'Vote For Chaudhary' Us ma bhey Manish Makhija (Punjabi) sa jo haryanvi ma bola sa ar isey bola sa ke, jo Haryanavi Bolta hoga, uske (Manish) sun ka wo bhey chod dega. Ek aadh aapna channel ho jisma Harvinder Malik Bhai jisey chorey ho jo badhia Program dikhawa, aapney baalka na kaam pa laawa jab kuch baat bana.

devdahiya
February 14th, 2005, 08:10 PM
My dear Amar,

Absolutely right. Ye jatland ke sahookar bilkool iss sithati mein hein ke private channel shurru kar sakte hein.Jaroorat hai to sirph BHAVANA aur Irradde ki................THIS PROJECT IS THE NEED OF THE HOUR AND MIND YOU IT WILL DO A BRISK BUSINESS TOO. ANY TAKERS?

sukhbirsingh
February 18th, 2005, 07:09 PM
Re bhai Malikm Bura mat maniye , Ek bat bata TANE KITNI BAAR DOTI KURTA DALA HAI SADI WAGARAH MAIN. WAISE TO JATON MEIN MUCHON KA BHI TRADITION SAI PER TU TO NI RAKHTA BURA MAT MANIYE WAISE TO MAIN BHI NANHI RAKHTA. DEKH BHAI EK BAAT KAM KI SAI. AJKAL YE MAHRI CHORI JAATA NE CHORE KE DUSRI CASTON MEIN SADI KARAN LAGAGI. TO BHAI MOST URGENT THING IS THAT WE THE JAAT YOUTH MUST TRY TO KEEP THAT WITH US ONLY WE SHOULD TRY TO MAKE LOVE AND ALL THINGS WITH OUR JAAT GIRL SO THAT NAYI NAYI YE PADHI LIKHI CHORI APNI YE CAST ME RAH JA. I HAVE SEEN 4 CASES RECENTLY LIKE THIS BECAUSE OUR FATHER OR GRANDFATHER STILL SEARCHING FOR LANDLORD THAT MAY BE EVEN LESS EDUCATED THAN GIRL AND NO GIRL WANT TO MARRY A BOY WITH LESS QUALIFIACATION SO FOR THE BOYS LIKE US THE WELL EDUCATED CAN DO SOMETHING IN THIS REGARD SO THAT OURGERMPLASM SHOULD NOT LOSTTHINK OVER IT

sukhbirsingh
February 18th, 2005, 07:12 PM
ye shayad kuchh bhiyo ko mazak lage pr bat sochne wali hai ki..Shaadi byah ke mouke pe ya vaar-tyohaar pe hr koum ke log traditional cloths pahnte hai.. chahe wo Punjabi ho ya Gujrati..prrr..jato ki shadiyo me ya vaar tyohaar pr kbhi koi young jatni Ghaghri pahne na dekhi!!!!!! na chhore Dhoti Kurta pahante!!!!
Kya such me hamare Dadi naniyo ki ye dress itni buri thi???


Re bhai Malikm Bura mat maniye , Ek bat bata TANE KITNI BAAR DOTI KURTA DALA HAI SADI WAGARAH MAIN. WAISE TO JATON MEIN MUCHON KA BHI TRADITION SAI PER TU TO NI RAKHTA BURA MAT MANIYE WAISE TO MAIN BHI NANHI RAKHTA. DEKH BHAI EK BAAT KAM KI SAI. AJKAL YE MAHRI CHORI JAATA NE CHORE KE DUSRI CASTON MEIN SADI KARAN LAGAGI. TO BHAI MOST URGENT THING IS THAT WE THE JAAT YOUTH MUST TRY TO KEEP THAT WITH US ONLY WE SHOULD TRY TO MAKE LOVE AND ALL THINGS WITH OUR JAAT GIRL SO THAT NAYI NAYI YE PADHI LIKHI CHORI APNI YE CAST ME RAH JA. I HAVE SEEN 4 CASES RECENTLY LIKE THIS BECAUSE OUR FATHER OR GRANDFATHER STILL SEARCHING FOR LANDLORD THAT MAY BE EVEN LESS EDUCATED THAN GIRL AND NO GIRL WANT TO MARRY A BOY WITH LESS QUALIFIACATION SO FOR THE BOYS LIKE US THE WELL EDUCATED CAN DO SOMETHING IN THIS REGARD SO THAT OURGERMPLASM SHOULD NOT LOSTTHINK OVER IT

dahiyars
February 18th, 2005, 10:29 PM
Dear Malik
The society had not been static. It is always changing. All the things in our tradition are not good. A deep gender discrimination is there in our most of the traditions. For example on birth of aboy we celebrate it by beating thali and we moan the birth of a girl by breaking a Theekra. Chhati is celebrated only for boy and never for girl. Namkaran Sanskar is always socialised in case of a Boy. Similarly last rituals are performed by boys and not the girls. Is she not capable of giving fire to the funeral pyre? She burns tons of wood in the house , how she cannot perform last rituals. This son preference in our culture has lead to elimination of girls in the womb you know. The demand of todays Haryana is that all those traditions which have gender discrimination should be opposed.Even other aspects of our culture dominated by PATRIARCH family are debatable and one should see them critically. The onslought of present cutural degeneration in form of blind consumerism in form of a package of violence , sex,drugs canot be fought with old cultural heritage we have only. New insrtruments are required to fight out this over all menance. No doubt whatever healthy part of our culture had been that is to be updated and carried on.Ghagre aur Ghunghat se to aurat ka chhutkara hona hi chahiyey.
RSDahiya

kamal123
October 20th, 2006, 10:18 AM
Bhai Ji Aapne Bahut Hi Acchi Baat Ka Khulasa Kiya Hai...ye Sochane Wali Baat Hai


Kamal 9350043002 Delhi

kamal123
October 20th, 2006, 10:41 AM
Harvinder Bhai very nice 100 % agree with you well done.
Bhai mm apaki baat sy puri tarah sahmat hu.
Hamko Panjabi- Gujratio sy sikhana chahiye.
Apani matat bhasa-sanskarti aur roots ko nahi bhulana chahiya.
Ham aaj bhi haryanvi bolaty han-apana khanpan hh- Meharsingh- chandrawal & apaky ganay london mae sunaty hh.
Isi baat per Haryana Association bana rakha hh.
Jats- Jatani- bachey khub nachaty han.
Hamary Bachay- Cambridge mae top karky bhi aaj bhi haryanvi- Jatuu mae bat karatay han.
Kuch logo ko complex hh. Jitander- baety ki saddi ky samaya.
Hamany Dhoti- kurta- pagadi walo ko barati bana kar le-maredian hotel mae nacha diya tha.
DELHI ka JAT Akar bola- Choudhry Apany ta Record Tod diya-AAJ TAK MAredian mae kisi JAT KI - MARRIAGE PARTY NAHI HUE SS-
Maney kaha bhai- DHOTI-kurata balonay
Cambridge- USA mae bhi record tod rahay han.
JATLAND JATUU likhnay per 1 Bhai nu bola.
ENGLAND REHKAR BHI English nahi sekhi.
Poetry ta English mae ho ss.
England rahkar jo apani - bhasa - jatuu bolaty han unako log murak- anadi bhi samajhaty han.
Yah Apani 2 samaj hi han.
UP-Haryana-Delhi-Rajsathan KI sanskirti- culture 1 hh.maney Haryanvi jat honka- Jatuu bolanka- garav hh- Lakhmi- Mehar singh ki Deshi ragani sun kar khosi hoti hh. Apani bhasa mae baat karniya miljata ha tao moj si hoja ss.



tau ji ram ram aapka atha mare sir par hamesa rhe

kamal
singh sinver
hisar/delhi
9350043002

kamal123
October 20th, 2006, 10:46 AM
Dear Jat Bhahiyo


Ek Baat Meri Bhi Suniji Ki Agar Hum Khi Vides Me Hote Hain Or English Nhi Aati To Aangrej Bolte Hain Ki Aapko English Nhi Aati..or Hum Sarma Kar Bolte Hain...no...no Sir.. Esa Kyo Hume Bhi Yhi Puccna Chahiye Ki Aapko Hindi Nhi Aati Kya...or Jis Din Aagrej Ko Sarm Aajavegi Or Wo Bolega No Sir.... Tam Humhar Maksad Hal Hojawega

Kamal Singh Sinver

drjatin
October 20th, 2006, 07:33 PM
ye shayad kuchh bhiyo ko mazak lage pr bat sochne wali hai ki..Shaadi byah ke mouke pe ya vaar-tyohaar pe hr koum ke log traditional cloths pahnte hai.. chahe wo Punjabi ho ya Gujrati..prrr..jato ki shadiyo me ya vaar tyohaar pr kbhi koi young jatni Ghaghri pahne na dekhi!!!!!! na chhore Dhoti Kurta pahante!!!!
Kya such me hamare Dadi naniyo ki ye dress itni buri thi???

SAHI BAAT KAHI TANNE BHAI GHAGHRA PHARNA CHAHIYE JATNIYAN NE

kharub
October 20th, 2006, 09:08 PM
i do definately converse in Haryanvi whenever i am back home .. and i take pride in it ..

I have a lot fo Jat friends and infact my own cousin who plead me not to use haryanvi in public or when we are at a trendy palce e.g the Gurgoan Shopping Complexes or South Delhi ...

I think the wannabe Jats have a inferiority complex .. they want to be something else .... I dont

I am totally comfortable with and damn proud of what i am ....... a Jat first and foremost.

sidchhikara
October 20th, 2006, 11:11 PM
Hay;

I love bright colours, especially at festival time like "Valentine Day" ,the dazzling dresses literally, with lots of tinsel. Typically, any day I love to wear a knee length Skirts made from just a "single" Piece of fabric and short Sleeve Less Top. Keep my hairs open. Yes some light silver jewellery too.

Come on grow up ....Its high time Let the Jat woman liberate.
Let them come out of their Ghagri...!! :p

Katee Chaala sain...!!.....21 sheedi main bhe Ghagri ke baat karoo so....We don't have Ghagri even in "Museum" :)

Chalo gotta go..!!

Girl, I like your style. It would be great if men stopped telling women what to wear. I am sure women will come up with something interesting - and believe me men will benefit from it ;). Imagine a victoria's secret store in Rohtak. As far as wearing traditional clothes is concerned - I believe we should wear them where they are appreciated - like a family gathering etc., If you want to wear them elsewhere - you should be able to carry them off. I have seen gujrati aunties being made fun of here in the US because they wear a saree to the Mall. Believe me nobody wants to see their big hairy gut (stomach).

Please for the last time!! donot compare yourself to gujratis etc., etc., -- do you have some kind of inferiority complex?? Let them do their own thing -- you do what you feel right. I have seen gujratis here in the US wearing their traditional dress in public - they suck big time!! Men just look plain stupid with their pot bellies hanging and no trace of manly characteristics. Women, not all of them, but majority look ugly with lots unwanted body hair in the midriff for display to the public. I would gladly let them borrow my gilette razor or buy them a visit to the salon.

choudharyneelam
October 21st, 2006, 06:18 AM
ye shayad kuchh bhiyo ko mazak lage pr bat sochne wali hai ki..Shaadi byah ke mouke pe ya vaar-tyohaar pe hr koum ke log traditional cloths pahnte hai.. chahe wo Punjabi ho ya Gujrati..prrr..jato ki shadiyo me ya vaar tyohaar pr kbhi koi young jatni Ghaghri pahne na dekhi!!!!!! na chhore Dhoti Kurta pahante!!!!
Kya such me hamare Dadi naniyo ki ye dress itni buri thi???


Dost baat aisi hai ki aajkal ki ladkiyan 8o to kya 6o kali ke ghaghre bhi nahin sambhal sakti...bahaut bhaari hote hain:D ...aur haan rahi ladkon ke dhoti kurte ki baat to mere cousin bhai ne apni lagan-sagai pe pahani thi...haan stylish to thi but dhoti jaisi aajkal milti hain pahle se tayyar aisi nahin thi....bandhwani padi thi kisi se ;) :D ...aajkal ke ladkon ko to baandhni bhi nahin aati to kaun itni sardardi lega ki ek to tayyar hona aur wo bhi traditional dress pahanna:D ...baaki hum apne bhai ki shaadi mein sab traditional with some style karne waale hain...kuch aise hi plans hain...but wo abhi kaafi chhota hai:( ...lekin sabse hatke kuch karna hai :D

deepika
October 21st, 2006, 03:09 PM
well its not that we(gals)don't like wearing those lovely ghaghri but its too heavy and weighs say around 3-4 kgs..and when it comes to such occasions one can wear it but.......its too difficult to take care of urself so how wud one manage such heavy clothes????......coz i don't think its gonna be confortable wearing such heavy stuff........and who told u that gals don't wear ghangras in marriage....lets use this exact word...........its not GHAGRA....its DAAMAN......... and we ofcourse wear it n dance for say atleast 7 days b4 any marriage we have in our family and on ladies sangeet.........see forget abt others u r also a guy ofcourse do u wear DHOTTI n KURTA in marriage:cool: ????lol.......
ye shayad kuchh bhiyo ko mazak lage pr bat sochne wali hai ki..Shaadi byah ke mouke pe ya vaar-tyohaar pe hr koum ke log traditional cloths pahnte hai.. chahe wo Punjabi ho ya Gujrati..prrr..jato ki shadiyo me ya vaar tyohaar pr kbhi koi young jatni Ghaghri pahne na dekhi!!!!!! na chhore Dhoti Kurta pahante!!!!
Kya such me hamare Dadi naniyo ki ye dress itni buri thi???

shamshermalik
October 21st, 2006, 03:18 PM
Girls wear what you feel comfortable in...Thats my thinking. Even Skirt is a smaller version of daman or ghagri...wear that if you like..LOL
With time things change...and if girls donot wear Damaan because its difficult to carry then we man have no right to object.

VirenderNarwal
October 22nd, 2006, 12:53 AM
bhai m malik bhai ki bat te bilkul sahmat su ke hamne sadee bhaya ya khas mokon p aapna purana phanva pahnna chahiye,aur jo bol raya se uspe amal bhi karta hai. es molled jat ki sadee m mumbai mein bhi tha, maximum yaar dost dhotti kurte aur khandke mein the. aur ek aur khas baat es molled jat ki sadee m Dilli ki C.M. smt. shila dixit ji bhi aai hui the,aur kai ghante thi, usne pure maje lute jat bhangde ke,
aur bhai jo maza maa ne maa kahan m aave vo mammi m konya aata
ek to jakat uncle kahve aur ek chachha hai chahhaaa....aur tauuu o tauuu......bhai aapni bhasa m to jama ghee sa ghal ja se
marwadi log kitne bhi pad likh jao lekin jab aapne logo se milte h to marwadi m hi baat karte h.
aur es jat ke to keeda se...aapni culture ka
jutta raho khagad
jamma sahi ja raya se

harvindermalik
October 22nd, 2006, 03:18 PM
Dipika ji…aapke sawal ka jawab… Bhai Virender ne de diya GAWAHI k sath…. Rhi baat Daman/Ghaghra k weight ki…. Ye kisne kha ki vahi ghaghara pahno jo DAdI/NANI k time ka BHARI ho…..aaaj k hisab se light weight bhi banaya ja sakta hai… Collage/universities k Youth festivals me Punjabiyo ki Chhoriya in light weight ghaghro ko pahan k Haryanavi Dance k Dhamdake marti hai…unki KAMAR ko to koi lachak na aati…I think they are more delicate urban girls then Jatni’s … to inke Bhari hone ka to bs bahana hi hai….asal to complexity hi hai
Rahi baat Aurat liberalization ki-jaisa ki kuchh members ka kahna hai es topic pe….. Liberalization ka beautiful customs se kya lena dena hai??? Kya jab Jatt sikhaniya traditional dress me GIDDA karti hai …wo liberal nhi hoti…????? ya jab GUJRAT ki chhoriya Dandiya me traditional dress pahnati hai to kya unki Aaazaadi chali jaati hai….?????? Ganpati festivals me URMIL Matondakar jaisi.. Glamour’s image wali heroin bhi Traditional Marati Dress me Pooja karti hai to kya uski image kharab hoti hai?????
Ek sahiba ka kahna hai ki…Ghaghra to ab museum me bhi nhi hai,….. so Madam this situation is not to proud on……….. ye to Shame wali baat hai us community k liye….jo apani VIRASAT ko preserve karne ki bajaae Chuupaati hai….. Bye the way for you’re and to others information…. We have more then 500 traditional Ghaghra’s/Damans at our home in ROHTAK along with other traditional costumes and rural antiques…. My brother exhibited them all over Haryana and other part of India too. And recently Kurukshetra University got inspire from his collection and developed a museum in campus where you can see all these ghaghra’s etc. so at least Ghaghara’s in museum now.

At last I am agree with RK Shehrawat sahib…basic reason is COMPLEX

VirenderNarwal
October 22nd, 2006, 06:54 PM
arre bhai malik yo chhoria khatir ghgara-ghagra hi nahi chundari bhi honi chahiye, jib nai nai bahu gam m aaya karti aur wa paani bharan kue pe nu matak matak jaya karti,berri kalja hath aaje tha randya ka.....aur bhai wa gagri te same hove thi aagli baar chundri badal leve thi,sitare ghotte te laddi ho thi chundri, eb ko chorri sir p latta bhi na leti....bechariyo ne ghana bhoj lage se..?:D :D :D

deepika
October 22nd, 2006, 09:47 PM
well FYI ofcourse everyone wears ghaghra if there is any function......i remember i wore that heavy ghaghra when i was in 6th for function on independence day......no big deal.....and sometimes wear the long skirts n stuff that probably look like the proper ghaghra but a lil longer in length.......may be u never came across any girl who wears them.......hahahaha..........i hope u would get to see one soon.......lol
Dipika ji…aapke sawal ka jawab… Bhai Virender ne de diya GAWAHI k sath…. Rhi baat Daman/Ghaghra k weight ki…. Ye kisne kha ki vahi ghaghara pahno jo DAdI/NANI k time ka BHARI ho…..aaaj k hisab se light weight bhi banaya ja sakta hai… Collage/universities k Youth festivals me Punjabiyo ki Chhoriya in light weight ghaghro ko pahan k Haryanavi Dance k Dhamdake marti hai…unki KAMAR ko to koi lachak na aati…I think they are more delicate urban girls then Jatni’s … to inke Bhari hone ka to bs bahana hi hai….asal to complexity hi hai
Rahi baat Aurat liberalization ki-jaisa ki kuchh members ka kahna hai es topic pe….. Liberalization ka beautiful customs se kya lena dena hai??? Kya jab Jatt sikhaniya traditional dress me GIDDA karti hai …wo liberal nhi hoti…????? ya jab GUJRAT ki chhoriya Dandiya me traditional dress pahnati hai to kya unki Aaazaadi chali jaati hai….?????? Ganpati festivals me URMIL Matondakar jaisi.. Glamour’s image wali heroin bhi Traditional Marati Dress me Pooja karti hai to kya uski image kharab hoti hai?????
Ek sahiba ka kahna hai ki…Ghaghra to ab museum me bhi nhi hai,….. so Madam this situation is not to proud on……….. ye to Shame wali baat hai us community k liye….jo apani VIRASAT ko preserve karne ki bajaae Chuupaati hai….. Bye the way for you’re and to others information…. We have more then 500 traditional Ghaghra’s/Damans at our home in ROHTAK along with other traditional costumes and rural antiques…. My brother exhibited them all over Haryana and other part of India too. And recently Kurukshetra University got inspire from his collection and developed a museum in campus where you can see all these ghaghra’s etc. so at least Ghaghara’s in museum now.

At last I am agree with RK Shehrawat sahib…basic reason is COMPLEX

mann123
October 23rd, 2006, 12:36 AM
yaha bheedh bhav... aap to Jeans te talee na utarte aur Choriya te Ghagre ki umeed. LOL :D

aaj kal Jitne Jat ladke dhotee me dikhe hai austee te faltooe hi Jat ladkiya Skirt (modified version of Ghagri) me hova hai.

So pehle hume dhotte pehnee chaiye or baad me unse Ghagree ke umeed karnee chayie.

dskadyan
October 25th, 2006, 04:07 PM
re bat kapde aur daman ki konya. Baat se apne culture ki. Ek chori ne toh keh diya k wah to taaaappp pahregi. thode dina main nu kahw gi ek main jat konya pher wah hariyane ki bhi koni rahw. Ar yah baat choriya pe thodi si jyada hai par kami chora main bhi koni.

Toh main cheez hain ki apni culture aur sanskriti keh root ne pakdo. Rahi baat daaman aur dhoti ki toh kuch usme improvement karo .manya ek daman acha lagya karta(baki baat pasand pasand ki hove hai kis n naa bhi accha lagta ho. mhari dadi joh pahre voh theek ar jo dusra pahre voh khrab yah baat thik nahi)par hamne bhi usme kuch improvement karna chahiye. Joh ki mhari creativity dikhaye. Jisme mhare culture ki khasboo awe aur is time main pahar sake.

Toh bhaiyo/bhabhiyo/bahano apne culture koh sambalo, improve karo aur phalo(distibute) .

Are sun rah angrez gillet ale apne razor n liye sambhal . Ulta sidha bol n te jat nahi addoo banya kar se.

choudharyneelam
October 25th, 2006, 08:52 PM
Dear all

Today i read all the replies of this thread..earlier i replied at this thread after just reading the very first thought of Harvinder but now i gone through this whole thread to read everybody's views and i too agree with many elders and freinds who are talking about our culture....and sorry to say that i found Niti's reply the worst...a girl who cannot accept the culture of her own community can never be confident with this modernity...the only thing she can do is show-off which i really hate....i feel proud for my community but one thing where i'm lagging behind is that i can't speak my own langauge as i was never allowed to give it a try for that but will learn it some day....now comes the issue about our cultural wear....i'm haryanvi and love to wear that haryanvi dress....now one guy here said that if we wear such dress or conversate in typical jaatu language then all others take us as one ill-mannered, uneducated..simpy saying dehati....i don't agree at this point...if you are confident about yourself then everyone can understand what this personality is....you wear that traditional dress, walk with the other crowd, even conversate in your own language when with your own people but keep your values with you always, give respect to others, be helpful and kind, show your knowledge wherever it is needed, hold your job with full responsibility, etc. etc. and never lose your character then i think one can never be considered dehati in any sense....do you think that all those guys/gals with beautiful looks with trendy styles enjoying at pubs, walking like ramp models, withour any culture with no respect and care for anyone except their own friend circle looks more educated, smart & confident.....i don't think so....education is not just having a good degree certificate....we also must know our culture, values.....modernity is not just wearing all short/funky/trendy dresses.....we can look modern by our thoughts even in simple dress like making an equal platform of education for girls, allowing them freedom to enjoy with friends, talk openly in society, etc. etc. but within some limits....we all are from good families, have good education, quite modern but why we forget our roots due to which we are here now.....and there is nothing awkward to wear our traditional dress....what shamsher said in his replies ki jo ladkiyon ko accha lage wo pahanne dena chahiye....he is right but that doesn't mean a girl take the full benefit of it in the other sense and keep aside her culture....she must understand that this is the freedom she is getting today that she is no more objected to keep her veil on her face everytime and even allowed to have her own choices which was not allowed to our nani/ dadi....and guy also must feel confident to walk in dhoti kurta with khandua in any party then surely a girl like me will definitely accompany him in the matching wear....this is all i can say...rest every person has his/her own views.


With Regards
Neelam

shamshermalik
October 26th, 2006, 08:27 AM
jib nai nai bahu gam m aaya karti aur wa paani bharan kue pe nu matak matak jaya karti,berri kalja hath aaje tha randya ka.....:D :D :D

What kind of mentality is that??? You want the girls to wear Ghaghra and Daman to fulfill this fantacy of yours. On one hand you say they donot even take Chunari on their head and on the other you want all the Randeys to ogle at them, What a justified reason !!!
Can you put few pics where you are wearing a traditional Jat Khandka in the wedding of few dear ones ???

If you want to preach and others to follow...lead by example.

mustang
October 26th, 2006, 10:09 AM
Har kam karno ko time, jagah/sthan hove se. Ghahgari ko bhee time, sthan hove se, skirt/pent/jeans ko bhee sthan hove se, bikini/ekni ko bhee stan hove se.

Koi bhee pahanavo ek dusra se badhkar koni.

Burai pahanavo me koni. Burai vichaara me hove se. Talibanisation bhee kharab se, hippiness bhee jyada aachi koni.

VirenderNarwal
October 26th, 2006, 11:10 PM
Dr S Malik Ji aap ne pahle wali thread na dekhi sayad jisme saf saf likhya se ke aapke gouti bhi harvinder malik kei saddi m maximum barati dhoti aur khandke m hi the.
aapna uae vichar hai ke bhai aapni culture ne badhao
aapne pahnave ko saddi bahya jaise moko per dikayo takki mahri aagli pidhi bhi uspe aamal kare

lamba_amit_iitr
October 26th, 2006, 11:31 PM
this is because JATS are not traditional in thoughts

downtoearth
October 26th, 2006, 11:45 PM
hardly matters wot they wear .... sarey dhaal key outfit mein jaachein sein yey:):):):)

choudharyneelam
October 27th, 2006, 07:01 AM
hardly matters wot they wear .... sarey dhaal key outfit mein jaachein sein yey:):):):)

no, it matters what they wear...we have the limits for our every wear and i like it that is should be there otherwise everyone will consider as punjabi or some other community girls...you know we jats are very simple and look good in simplicity and look more better in functions when in traditional wear.....till now nobody was able to recognise me as a jat and still now nobody recognise me like that and i feel bad when they guess me as a punjabi/kashmiri/christian or some other community girl except Jat...but once i felt very happy while i was travelling in local train and a girl very confidently said that you are a Jat..and confirmed me...all others sitting beside her even argued that i'm not...but then she said to everyone putting her point that in today's environment you can find that simplicity in Jat community only and that convinced me to support her...i really felt very happy that time atleast one girl identified me as a Jat...to ye socho ki jaaton ko to log pahchante bhi nahin hai...why it is so??????...as nobody sees our ancesteral's tradition/culture anywhere...we wear all the mod dresses and designer dresses at parties and even conversate in english most of the time even with our own people as it looks educated, it reflects that we had our education from convent/public school or from govt./ hindi medium school....one more thing i want to share here...though personal but just wanna share to tell you something about the thinking style...now my parents are looking for best match for thier loving daughters and if a guy speaks in that jattu language at home then my parents didn't like it as it looks indecent to them...my sis even don't like such thing but i here very frankly expressed my opinions about this to my parents...that i love my community very much and it's not awkward to speak in our own language anywhere except at professional place if the guy is well educated.....i shared this just to highlight the thinking style...even parents are changing with this modernity then why will the new generation lag behind....really if this will continue like that we all will not be able to tell/explain our culture to the coming generation....and here the matter which everybody is discussing now is not just about the type of wear but it is all related to our culture which we are keeping aside now as we too want to look mod in every sense.

rakeshsehrawat
October 27th, 2006, 08:32 AM
ye shayad kuchh bhiyo ko mazak lage pr bat sochne wali hai ki..Shaadi byah ke mouke pe ya vaar-tyohaar pe hr koum ke log traditional cloths pahnte hai.. chahe wo Punjabi ho ya Gujrati..prrr..jato ki shadiyo me ya vaar tyohaar pr kbhi koi young jatni Ghaghri pahne na dekhi!!!!!! na chhore Dhoti Kurta pahante!!!!
Kya such me hamare Dadi naniyo ki ye dress itni buri thi???



bhai harvinder tu ek baat bata tere k hau lade hain tu dhoti kurta kyon nahi pehanta????????????

ye aajkal long skirt ar top to pehanti hain jo ki daman kudte ka light version hai ya yoon keh lo moderanization na byont hai bhai bhara bhara daman pehran ka to modern bana k pehar liya

ib tu ek kaam kar dhoti kudte ar khandue ka modern version toh

tu apne aap ne uptodate dikhana chave ar in ne ghungat kadhwa de

fer kehga meri wife to GANWAR hai

downtoearth
October 27th, 2006, 06:25 PM
i meant to say dat there is no compulsion in wearin ghagra,, daman,,salwaar kammez,,jeans,,skirt.......girls can wear wotevr they want....if they think that they can carry easily wot they r wearing than whos gonna stop them......a few days back ,muslim community raised an issue regarding the length of the skirt of sania mirza ..if sania`s father, mother can see her playing in a skirt than wot is wrong with community... no1 can stop her wearing skirt......ib burka pehar key to tennis khelya koni jaawey.........:rolleyes: i really appriciate n respect ur opinion for community n language :)
no, it matters what they wear...we have the limits for our every wear and i like it that is should be there otherwise everyone will consider as punjabi or some other community girls...you know we jats are very simple and look good in simplicity and look more better in functions when in traditional wear.....till now nobody was able to recognise me as a jat and still now nobody recognise me like that and i feel bad when they guess me as a punjabi/kashmiri/christian or some other community girl except Jat...but once i felt very happy while i was travelling in local train and a girl very confidently said that you are a Jat..and confirmed me...all others sitting beside her even argued that i'm not...but then she said to everyone putting her point that in today's environment you can find that simplicity in Jat community only and that convinced me to support her...i really felt very happy that time atleast one girl identified me as a Jat...to ye socho ki jaaton ko to log pahchante bhi nahin hai...why it is so??????...as nobody sees our ancesteral's tradition/culture anywhere...we wear all the mod dresses and designer dresses at parties and even conversate in english most of the time even with our own people as it looks educated, it reflects that we had our education from convent/public school or from govt./ hindi medium school....one more thing i want to share here...though personal but just wanna share to tell you something about the thinking style...now my parents are looking for best match for thier loving daughters and if a guy speaks in that jattu language at home then my parents didn't like it as it looks indecent to them...my sis even don't like such thing but i here very frankly expressed my opinions about this to my parents...that i love my community very much and it's not awkward to speak in our own language anywhere except at professional place if the guy is well educated.....i shared this just to highlight the thinking style...even parents are changing with this modernity then why will the new generation lag behind....really if this will continue like that we all will not be able to tell/explain our culture to the coming generation....and here the matter which everybody is discussing now is not just about the type of wear but it is all related to our culture which we are keeping aside now as we too want to look mod in every sense.

choudharyneelam
October 27th, 2006, 08:28 PM
i meant to say dat there is no compulsion in wearin ghagra,, daman,,salwaar kammez,,jeans,,skirt.......girls can wear wotevr they want....if they think that they can carry easily wot they r wearing than whos gonna stop them......a few days back ,muslim community raised an issue regarding the length of the skirt of sania mirza ..if sania`s father, mother can see her playing in a skirt than wot is wrong with community... no1 can stop her wearing skirt......ib burka pehar key to tennis khelya koni jaawey.........:rolleyes: i really appriciate n respect ur opinion for community n language :)


ya you are right...that issue raised for Sania's skirt lenght that was all non-sense...and also i agree that everyone should wear only those dresses which they can carry with full confidence and charm

trueblueindian
October 28th, 2006, 11:04 PM
very thought provoking stuff here, all in all i agree wid the thoughts of most of members here., its not about women pressed to follow culture but according to me its about presevering our own culture n heritage here, n thers absolutely nothing bad about this.

very great thoughts by sum of ladies members here like neelam ji, my heartiest congrats to malik bhai who raised this issue, well jayada bolna galat hoga parantu lets touch the problem.

I SWEAR I WILL WEAR DHOTI KURTA / haryanvi outfit on most of occasions and i would plead to my wife, mom n DAD to do the same.

bada sawaad aawe sae, jab hum apni paushook mei callle sae, recently i went to a marrige in a white kurta pajyama, n trust me guys it was appreciated by N no. of bujurg's, n now for sure next step's gonna be a dhoti kurta.

less see how many members pledge to this. AM INNNNNNNNN

all in all one of the best threads here on jatland, malik bhai gud job n i keep droppin in these great thoughts here.

last but not least......................i am a JAT i was a JAT n i'll remain a JAT not only by my thoughts but by my actions n attitude.

HAIL JAT!!!!!!!!!

harvindermalik
October 28th, 2006, 11:10 PM
Bhi Rakesh Sharawat…. Aapne time nikala aur mehant ki kuchh likhane ki..es thread me..uske liye Dhanywaad… baki achha ho aap meri baat ka Meaning samaz le..aur pura thread padh le likhane se pahle… josh josh me likhana aur personal comment karna …specially uske bare me jise aap thik se janate na ho..achha nhi hai…. This thread is saying.. Traditional dresses on occasions…. not in a day to day life…..

and Thanks DABAS bhai for nice and proper comments ….

trueblueindian
October 29th, 2006, 02:07 AM
Bhi Rakesh Sharawat…. Aapne time nikala aur mehant ki kuchh likhane ki..es thread me..uske liye Dhanywaad… baki achha ho aap meri baat ka Meaning samaz le..aur pura thread padh le likhane se pahle… josh josh me likhana aur personal comment karna …specially uske bare me jise aap thik se janate na ho..achha nhi hai…. This thread is saying.. Traditional dresses on occasions…. not in a day to day life…..

and Thanks DABAS bhai for nice and proper comments ….

thx harvinder bhai

bhai ji, worst part = u said thx for understanding this thread in the right way, plight is most of us jump the guns n just comment without even thinkin wot we wanna express, we just wanna have a blabbering mouth n nothing else, comments to thread like this can never be sponteaneous, they have to be rational n logical.

MAN tell me wots wrong in defending n preserving our very own culture, apni DAADI / DADA.... NANA / NANI ya aur bujurgoon sae pucho DAMAN ...........DHOTI kitni suthri lagya kare sae, after all our elders werent fools who wore these clothes whole of their life. aaj bhi budhe khushi mei kehen sae .........akkk bhai ghana nahi bas eak kurta / dhoti kurta simwa diye................ mein yeh nahi keheta ki yehi peheno ya yeh must hai parrrrrrrr itna to kahoongo ki ek jaat ko kabhi kabaar yeh kapde pehenne chahiyea, aakhir galat kya hai????


MY HATS OFF TO SHOBHIT DESWAL WHO WORE PLAIN WHITE DHOTI KURTA IN THE LAST DJM, N MAN that young man looked great in that plain n simple peice of cloth, DJM members wont u agree to me on this here. luv u again shobhit for showing up urself there in pure JAT attire.


sorry bro's its a bigger concern, leave it for now, n yeaaaaaaaah............. thx for the appreciation bhai ji, for me nything n everything for a JAT, even if its personel or community or our very own "rich culture".

well once again thx for this great debate and bringing this up to young JATS, the +ve side is few like me r moved n will ensure that the dhoti's n daman's will be in place in our homes, n thats the best part of this thread.

gud job done bhai ji................ less see how many of us commit/pledge ourselves to our culture here.

dahiyars
October 31st, 2006, 07:37 PM
Dear All

Young Jaat dhoti kayaon nahi pahantey?
Iss sawaal mey gender Bias bhi lagta hai

R.S.Dahiya

harvindermalik
November 14th, 2006, 09:32 AM
Finally this thread starts inspiring our youngsters ….it was really a happy movement for me at least to see Bharti Sandhu in our typical “Daman” in Jat Sneh meet in Pune….she was looking gorgeous, elegant and classy in that traditional wear …and was very comfortable with that…… un sab members k liye ye achchha udhaharan ho sakta hai jinhe DAMAN k size ya weight se shikayat hai …aur un logo k liye bhi jinhe Daman se Aurat ki azaaadi ko khatra feel hota hai……Shabashhhh Bharati…. Tumhari ye Himmat/koshish aur Jawano ko bhi inspire karegi…