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ravichaudhary
March 14th, 2003, 03:07 AM
The Jat emperor Yashodharman Virk was ruling at Mandsor in Central India, in the early 6th century.


According to his Mandsor Pillar inscription- see Files section – Yashodharman,

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JatHistory/files/


he defeated the Hun Chief Mihirkula around 515 AD.

Candragomin, or Chandragomin, the great 6th century Grammarian, refers to this in his Grammar, when he writes

“ Ajay Jarta Hunan”

Or

The Jats were victorious over the Huns. That ended the Hun incursions into India, and they were absorbed, moistly into the Jat tribes.

The Huns themselves were Jats, but simply a later wave of the some stock that shook the then known world from Central Asia to Europe to India.

In Haryana today the name – Athila or Attila can still be found

Ravi

ravichaudhary
July 3rd, 2004, 12:22 AM
THE VIRKS OF MANDSOR, MALWA

Malwa was named after the Mall or Mull tribes. These tribes were republican tribes, and they are famous in the Mahabharata and in the
Buddhist period. At this time this surname e is found in the Jats and the Brahmins. Alexander knew them as the Mall-oi. According to the
grammatical rules of Katyayana, in the Brahmins the names become Malvi, and in the Jats Malli or Malhi. The names are derived from
Malav

The Malls were neighbors of Videha and must have migrated to
Kalantar. This land was previously well known as Avanti. Raja
Vikramaditya was born here. Malwa was famous as a rich and fertile
land. As in Punjab and Sind the Jats populated this land of Malwa.
The Jats not only had kingdoms in this rich land full of treasure,
but also formed empires from here. However much historical material
has been lost. What material is there points to a rich and proud
tradition, but is incomplete.


The first four centuries after Christ are shrouded in darkness. and
what is found is not in sequence.

According to the Mahabharata, in Ujjain two kings existed by the name
of Bindu and Anubindu. Their kingdom was ruled jointly by the two
kings. They must have been from two different tribes. Their kingdom
was republican.

In the area that is known as Malwa, we find the clan names Dsharn,
Dashrah, Malvatsya, Kukar, Kunti, Bhoj, Kuntal, Charman, etc Near
Dhar nagar we find Bhoj, and near Mandsor we find Dsharn and Dashrah
people ruling. Today's Mandsor was previously known as DASHPUR or
DASHOR on the banks of the Chambal River, the Charmanvat people ruled
over Champanagari. Vijay Singh Pathik considers the Dasharn to be
formed of ten tribes, though the ancient texts take them to be of one
tribe.

Apart from these tribes, Maurya, Gupta, Andhak, and Pawar clans ruled
this land. These clans were from outside Malwa and ruled here after
displacing their forebears. The Mallii ruled here before them, At
the time of Alexander, the Kshudrak Jats are found to be their
neighbors. Of these tribes/ clans some clan's names are found both
in the Jats and the Rajputs. However Deshpuria, Bhoj, and Kuntal are
found only in the Jats.

The Bangari people of Malwa also ruled here, and a part of Malwa –
Bangar is named after them. This surname is found both in the
Brahmins and the Jats.


VISHNUVARDHAN


The groups who came from outside Malwa did great damage to the
republics of Malwa. The republics (Janpadhs) fought the monarchial
groups hard and long, but were defeated in the end. After many
centuries, the republics having been decimated, the monarchial system
arose. Some great individuals came forward and established kingdoms
and empires. From among the Jats, the names that stand out are
Kaniska, Shalindra or Salindra ,and Yashodharma. Maharaja
Vishnuvardhan was the father of Emperor Yashodharma.

Maharaja Vishnuvardhan is sometimes written as Vishnu-dharma. He was
of the Virk clan (goth). A commemorative victory pillar of his is
fund in Bayana (Uttar Pradesh near Etawah), where he is described as
Varika Vishnuvardhan (see Brijendra vansh Bhaskar for an account of
Bayana. Today Virk of Varik is not very well known, its existence is
known from its place in the ancient long lineage in the history of
the Jat Gotras. [The rise of the Jats and their history p 48]. C.V
Vaidya in his Hindu medieval India writes about Vishnuvardhan as
below:

" The kingdom of Malapo or Malwa belonged to Yashodharma
Vishnuvardhan. of the Mandsor inscription. In our surmise their name
ending Vardhan shows he was a Vaisya like the Guptas. His great
exploit was that he defeated Mihirgula the Hun. Now we have already
quoted from Chandra's grammar " Ajai Jartao Hunahn" i.e. the Jats
conquered the Huns". If we apply this sentence to Yashodharma and
there is none else to whom it can be applied, we may surmise that he
was a Jarta or a Jat from the Punjab. In fact like the Gujars of
Bhinwal we may suppose that the Jats from the Punjab to have migrated
to Malwa (which like Rajputana is a favorite land with migrators) to
take refuge from the invasions of the Huns and these Jats getting
strong under Yashodharman inflicted in 528 AD a signal defeat upon
the Huns who had overrun their motherland the Punjab"


[The author questions Vaidya's surmise that if simply because of the
suffix Vardhan, Vishnuvardhan and all Jats are to be considered of
the Vaishya caste, then should we take Devodas of the Vedic age
also to be a Sudra?


Desraj disagrees with Vaidya's contention about the migrations,
stating that from ancient times the Jat clans of Dasharn and Bhoj are
present, and today they are known as Dasor, Dushpuria, and Bhoju]

In Bayana, which is now in the Kingdom of Bharatpur, is a victory
pillar, which is known as Bhim Ki Lat, or Bhim's stick. From this is
inferred that his empire included Bayana. The author of
the `Brijendra Vansh Bhaskar' informs us the in Samvat 428
Vishnuvardhan Virk performed a Yagna (havan, sacrifice) at this site.
In our opinion this was around in Samvat 528, for in Samvat 586, i.e.
529 AD Yashodharman defeated the Huns.

[ the header of this web site is from Vishnuvardhans's inscription

for the full inscription see:

http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JatHistory/files/
vishnuvardhana Virk.doc
Bijaygarh inscription of Vishnuvardhan Virk ]


If the Brijendra vansh Bhaskar date)(SV 428) is taken as correct,
then the time of Vishnuvardhan is between Samvat 400 and Samvat
550, i.e. 150years, and if we accept that Yashodharman was about 80
years old when he defeated the Huns, then Vishnuvardhan rule of 90 –
95 years can be taken as possible.

Cunningham thinks that Pravarsen of Kashmir is dated at 432 AD.
Pravarsen was a contemporary of Yashodharma, because he gave
sanctuary to Yashodharman son Siladitya and seats him on the throne
of Kashmir. If this is taken as correct than we can take the date of
Vishnuvardhan as 371 AD.

However a substantial group of historians id of the view that
Yashodharman defeated the Huns around 529 AD. Then we are reasonable
in taking the date of Yashodharman victory pillar around AD 528.

C. V. Vaidya thinks that these jat kings ruled from about 500 AD to
641 AD, however we think there rule starts from about 340 AD. At that
time state was not as great as that of Yashodharma, but Western Malwa
was certainly in their empire. When the Gupta kings were ruling
Ujjain, these kings governed Mandsor. Out of these one or two kings
may also have been feudatories of the Guptas. Along with the Gupta
kings, we see another dynasty ruling Malwa as well.

SINGHVARMA.

He was a contemporary of Samudragupta. Samudragupta was the foremost,
and most famous king of the Gupta (Dharan) dynasty.

His rule is said to have been between 335 and 385 AD. Singh Varma had
two sons Chandravarma and Narvarma, Chandravarma left Malwa and went
to Puskar in Marwar district of Rajastan and established a kingdom
there. Narvarma stayed and ruled in Malwa. Narvarma had two sons
Banduvarma and Bhimvarma.

The power of the Gupta Empire was in the ascendancy and Banduvarma
accepted the suzerainty of the Gupta rulers of Ujjain. Bhimvarma
accepted the position of governor with Skandgupta Vikramaditya the
son of Kumargupta the first. He was appointed the governor of
Kausambi. The era of Skandgupta is dated 455 Ad to 467 AD.


Forty years after the time of Skandgupta Vikramaditya, in Ujjain we
find Bhanugupta Baladitya on the throne. This is the same Baladitya
who is attached to the Jat emperor Yashodharma, in the latter's
defeat of the Huns.

If after Banduvarma, we join Vishnuvardhan, the dynastical list will
be as follows.


- Singhvarma

- Chandra Varma and Narvarma. (From Singhvarma)

- Vishwavarma (from Narvarma).

- Raghu Varma and Bhimvarma. (From Vishwavarma)

- Vishnuvardhan (from Raghuvarma)

-Yashodharma (from Vishnuvardhan)

- Siladitya from Yashodharma.


Banduvarma, who was the contemporary of Kumar Gupta the First and
Skandagupta, ruled Malwa some 80 years before the victory of
Yashodharma over the Huns. His rule was in Western Malwa i.e. in
Mandsor.

We find an inscription of this time.

The Silk weavers of Mandsor has built a temple to the Sun. This was
damaged due to weather, and Banduvarma had it repaired in 530 Samvat
or 473 AD.

This shows that Banduvarma was present on Mandsor (Daspur) in 473 AD.

Following Banduvarma, Vishnuvardhan erected his victory pillar in
Bayana, which is Bayana was also known as Vijaygarh or Bijaygarh.
(The B and V are interchangeable). They must have gained independence
from the Guptas.

If Banduvarma was not of the family of Vishnuvardhan, and was of one
their enemies, then there would be some reference in their
inscriptions to their having conquered Mandsor.

Soon after having the kingdom from Banduvarma, Vishnuvardhan and
Yashodharma took the titles of Emperor. We are told in (Bharat ke
prachin rajvansh- the ancient ruling Dynasties of India,) that
Yashodharma `s father Vishnuvardhan took the title of Maharjadhiraja -
Emperor or Emperors.

ravichaudhary
September 28th, 2009, 07:36 PM
Yashodharman

Laxman Ji,

Many historians writing on the Jats , especially those from the community of Jats have connected the expression ‘ajayaj jarto ffice:smarttags" />lace>hUNAnlace>in Chandragomin’s grammar with Yashodharman (589 Malava Samvat = 532 A.D.) in an attempt to establish his Jat identity. Chandra Gomin had used this expression to illustrate the use of Lang Lakara (for referring to incidents in the sense of recent past, excluding those of the same day).

In the first place the reading jjarto is not undisputable. The alternative reading ‘gupto’ had been suggested by some scholars. Chandra Gomin’s time cannot be dragged to the period around which (first half of the sixth century A.D.) by which time the defeat of the Hunas at the hand of Yashodharman could have become a thing of the past (however close in proximity of time). The imagery used by Vasula, son of Kakka, in the Mandasaur Inscription of Yashodharman to describe Mihirakula’s defeat at the former’s hand is similar to the one the same author uses in describing the defeat of Tormana at the hand of PrakashaDharman, the immediate predecessor (most likely, father) of Yashodharman in the Risthal (near Mandasaur) Inscription of Malava Samvat 572 =515-16 A.D.

Yashodharman belonged to an eminent family of rulers of malva for quite a long time. The were ‘Aulikaras’. If this is connected with the modern day clan name ‘Aulack’found among the Jats the argument deserves to be examined. But before saying any thing with certainty one has to lok for any survivals of this clan name in the Mandasaur area.B.S. Dahiya’s attempt to give Yashodharman a Virk identity is without any basis. How could we label Yashodharman as aVirk and an Aulikara at the same time?. fficeffice" />

DR S S Rana

ravichaudhary
September 28th, 2009, 07:38 PM
This issue has been discussed before, and let us keep trying to get clarity.

Dr. Rana has raised some very important points

Ravi Chaudhary

ravichaudhary
September 28th, 2009, 08:19 PM
In brief, the argument propounded by Thakur Desraj, and then Dahiya etc, goes like this:

The phrase” Ajay Jarta Hunan”- the Jats defeated the Huns, comes from the grammar book by Chandragomin a circa 6th century grammarian.


Then we run into the inscription by Yashodharman, that he defeated Mihirkul or Mihirgul, a Hun, and our Jat historians, then put 2 +2 together, and determine that Yashodharman was a Jat.

Then it only question remained was ‘what the goth of Yashodharman.

In his inscription is written the term’ Varik/Varika ’; this our Jat historians read as Virk, a Jat Goth.

AUILKARA:

Dr Rana raises the issue that the Yashodharman family was Aulikaras, and links the name to the Aulakh Goth of Jats of the Punjab.

Are there any other issues?

Ravi Chaudhary

ravichaudhary
September 28th, 2009, 08:30 PM
Re: Ajay Jato Hunan- Chandragomin reference



The term Ajay Jarto Hunan, is a well known phrase in Indian History. It meant the Jats defeated the Huns.



The term is found in the grammar of the famous grammarian Chandragomin, who use this term to indicate something that happened in his lifetime, as an illustration.



Being part of a grammar text, this has more evidential value.



Jarta, was the samkritized term of the term" JAT".



Below is an extract from the book by Dr. Atreyi Biswas, (Biswas, Atreyi. The Political History of the Hunas in India . New Delhi : Munshiram Manoharlal, 1973) who did considerable research in this area.



W do no have to agree with all her conclusions.



She does in brief , write that there were a number of people who came into conflict with the Huns, and defeated them.

1) Skanda Gupta ( circa 467 CE )

2) Yasodharman of Mandsor, ( circa 530 CE)

3) Sarvavarman Maukhari, (circa 560 to 590 CE.)

4) Prabhakarvardhan of Thaneswar, ( circa 580 CE)

The dates are approximate, and use conventional dating. For our purposes today this will suffice.



Hence the term could apply to any one or more of the four above.



Chandragomin dates also vary from 470 CE to 650 CE.



Dr. Biswas, draws our attention to the error made by Belvekar, and Leibich in wrongly reading `Jarto' as `Gupto'. She also draws our attention to H.P. Shastri `s work, quote"

But on the other hand H.P. Shastri has checked minutely the manu*scripts of Candragomin's work, brought from Nepal, and finds nothing but Ajayaj Jarto Hunan", and

" We can cite Kielhorn[3], Hoernle[4] and Konow [5] who regard the word not as a misspelling but as the ancient name of the people who are today called Jats"



She initially agrees that Yasodharman is a Jat, but has problems with this , because Jats in modern times are not found in Central India, Madhya Pradesh.

In fairness, had Dr Atreyi been exposed to the Mandsor area, she would have found plenty of evidence of the Jats, clans like, Virk, Dasarna, Kuntal, to name a few are still found there. If she had been exposed the records of the Sarv Khap of Haryana she would have found accounts of Yasodharman, who was chosen by the Panchayat to lead the armies against the Huns.



She does however, agree that Prabhakar Vardhan of Thaneswar, of the " Vardhan' dynasty , was probably a Jat. Here too if she had access to the Jat records, she would have the clan name was either Virk or Bains, and both are Jat clans.



The Maukharis were also Jats, and Maukar(i) is also a Jat clan.



Else where, it has been shown on ample occasions that the Skanda Gupta, was of the Dharan Clan of Jats.


She is wrong on connecting the Jartikas of the MBH with the with the Jats.


see:

Distortions n the Mahabharat, karnaparva etc
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JatHistory/message/567


and other messages: search for jartika


In the above context, Candragomin's phrase ` Ajaya Jarto Hunan'- the Jats were victorious over the Huns, finds ample evidentiary support.

ravichaudhary
September 28th, 2009, 08:33 PM
By Vinod Sangwan


"Hunas in India" by Upendra Thakur, this 300+p
book deals with Hunas in very detail and I am typing the relevent
passage about Jartas.

"While paying tribute to the remarkable heroism displayed by
Skandagupta in the face of innumerable odds in defeating the Hunas we
must not forget... the memory of those brave Jartikas or Jarta or
Jats of Sialkot who inflicted another crushing defeat on the fleeing
Huans compelling them to retreat to their bases outside the Indian
boundary. It was they who actually completed the work left incomplete
by Skandagupta, and saved those regions from their murderous
depredations.


Unfortunately, we have no reference to this memorable
episode except in the Sitra-vrtti of the famous grammarian,
Candragomin from Bengal (600AD) who says: "ajayajjarto Hunan" (Hunas
who were defeated by the invincible Jartas).

Candragomin probably
refers to the Huans as an illustration of the use of imperfect to
express an event which occured within the life-time of the author."

ravichaudhary
September 28th, 2009, 09:09 PM
On page 197 of the book, Vakataka Gupta Age, By Ramesh Chandra Majumdar, Anant Sadashiv Altekar Motilal BanarsiDas New Delhi , ISBN 9788120800265,
> The book, Vakataka Gupta Age, is online at Google books,
>
>
http://books.google.com/books?id=OswUZtL1_CUC&printsec=frontcover&dq=altekar&sig\ =tne7nylKzrN3Z22WoHjSdqFhd3I


Look for page 197


or search for " Hoernle"


In a chapter referring to the Huns in India, the authors write: quote:

quote:

“ A Stray reference to the Hunas occurs in Indian literature A Sutra-vritti in the Chandra Vyakarana gives the sentence Ajayad-gupta (? or Japto) Hunan as an illustration of the use of the imperfect to express an event which occurred within the life-time of the author.”


“ 1. Belevekar, Systems of Sanskrit Grammar, p. 58. The emendation of the original Jato or Japto into Gupta is not, however, accepted by all. Kielhorn read the word as Jarto and took it at the name of a people and its ruler (NGCW. 1903, p. 305). Hoernle identified the people with the Jaths and regarded it as a reference to the defeat of the Hunas by Yashodharman (JRAS. 1909, p. 114.) Jayaswal takes it as a reference to Skanda-gupta and relies upon this passage as evidence that the Guptas were Jaths (JBORS. XIX, 115-16). It is difficult to take these conclusions seriously.”


NOTES:

Here the statements by Majumdar and Altekar are quite interesting.

The original entry in the grammar of Chandra, also known as Chandra Gomin, who lived in the 6th century CE., states, that the original term is “JATO “ , as expressed in the footnote.

Curiously one does wonder why the authors would not have used the original term rather than using an alternative “ Gupta” or even “ Japto “ but leaving out the original term, from the main body of the text.

Additionally, the authors, who are also well regarded historians, while discounting the opinions of three well known historians, who concur in that the term Jato refers to the Jats, cannot give treason for their dismissal, saying only that is difficult to take these conclusions seriously.
One also wonders why the spelling would be given as 'jaths' instead of 'Jats' , who do not pronounce it with a soft' th', but with a hard 'T'
K.P. Jayaswal does not rely only upon this passage as evidence that the Guptas were Jaths Jats)

Possibly a confusion arises, as in Prakrit a hard 'T' is used, but when the term in sanskritized, the end is' softened to a ' th".
This in Prakrit /sanskrit grammar expressions is not unusual.

drssrana2003
September 29th, 2009, 01:05 AM
Yashodharman of mandsor

Ravi Ji,
We have to first focus on Yashodharman(YD) of Mandsor. The facts emerging from the Rishthal Inscription (572 Malava samvat-515-16 c.E.) 0f Prakashdharman leave no space for any Vishnuvardhan (except an alis of Yashodharman himself) to be brought in from the Bijayagarh inscription or elsewhere. The sanskrit text of the Mandsor inscription of 589 Malava Samvat is explicit Continuing the description of YD in the fifth line the text goes like--Ajau jiti vijayate jagatim punascha shrivishnuvardhananaradhipati sa eva ,meaning 'victorious in battle, the self same king (refered above as YD) goes on to win the earth once again (in time of peace by winning the hearts of his people). History is replete with examples of kings or even common men having more than one name.
The observation that jarta(with soft t) is the sanskritised version of Jata(with hard t) contradicts the favourit theme of several Jat writers( sorry for not using the term historians here) who have attempted to derive the term jATa directly from the sanskrit root 'jaTa meaning Sanghata (Sangha). But one fails to corelate things when the very observation is contradicted by another observation in the same post. I find here shades of B.S.Dahiya's methodology-skipping from one premises to another and taking more than reasonable librties with principles of derivation and historical perspective.
There is enough material in nthe Risthal inscription to chew on.Prabhakarawardhan(PD) had the privilege of cornering Tormana and reduce his status as a ruler of some consequence. The same was done to his son Mihirkula by YD, the son? and successor of PD.
Skandagupta's role in battle against Hunas is fondly recaptured in his Bhitari pillar inscription saying-' hunaiyasya samAgatasya samre dorbhyAm dharA kampitA- he shook the earth with his arms when he went into battle against the Hubas'.

ravichaudhary
September 29th, 2009, 06:14 AM
Yashodharman of mandsor

Ravi Ji,
We have to first focus on Yashodharman(YD) of Mandsor. The facts emerging from the Rishthal Inscription (572 Malava samvat-515-16 c.E.) 0f Prakashdharman leave no space for any Vishnuvardhan (except an alis of Yashodharman himself) to be brought in from the Bijayagarh inscription or elsewhere. The sanskrit text of the Mandsor inscription of 589 Malava Samvat is explicit Continuing the description of YD in the fifth line the text goes like--Ajau jiti vijayate jagatim punascha shrivishnuvardhananaradhipati sa eva ,meaning 'victorious in battle, the self same king (refered above as YD) goes on to win the earth once again (in time of peace by winning the hearts of his people). History is replete with examples of kings or even common men having more than one name.
The observation that jarta(with soft t) is the sanskritised version of Jata(with hard t) contradicts the favourit theme of several Jat writers( sorry for not using the term historians here) who have attempted to derive the term jATa directly from the sanskrit root 'jaTa meaning Sanghata (Sangha). But one fails to corelate things when the very observation is contradicted by another observation in the same post. I find here shades of B.S.Dahiya's methodology-skipping from one premises to another and taking more than reasonable librties with principles of derivation and historical perspective.
There is enough material in nthe Risthal inscription to chew on.Prabhakarawardhan(PD) had the privilege of cornering Tormana and reduce his status as a ruler of some consequence. The same was done to his son Mihirkula by YD, the son? and successor of PD.
Skandagupta's role in battle against Hunas is fondly recaptured in his Bhitari pillar inscription saying-' hunaiyasya samAgatasya samre dorbhyAm dharA kampitA- he shook the earth with his arms when he went into battle against the Hubas'.

Rana sahib

I am not in disagreement with you.

I am simply collating the material into one place so that it can be discussed.

I have come across the linkage of Vishnu vardhana to Yashodharman, and that they are one and the same person.

Quite possible! We should explore this- the chronology of this group is less than clear. If they are the same person, how will it affect the history??

I have no pre-conceptions.

Jat/Jata/Jarta!

For my knowledge, and I know no sanskrit, and am honoured that you with a P.hd in Sanskrit is with us.

Etymology and origin of 'jat' should be discussed in another thread. Your insight will be most valuable.

In Jata/Jat/jarta -Where is the contradiction?

The 'r' is inserted, and often is, when a word is 'sanskritized' from prakrit.

Is my understanding incorrect?

The question is only - who were the 'Jartas' who defeated the Huns?

Were they Jats?


Skandagupta- There does not have be any conflict here- Skandagupta could have led an army by himself against the Huns.Others could have also joined him in the war. A confederacy could have been formed.

Others, who joined the alliance, would also claim credit for the victory.

We should not assume that the 'Gupta' empire was monolithic.

Taking into account the communication and travel problems of those days, it is unlikley that a highly centralized system could operate. It is quite possible that the republics, janpads, Khaps, pals, did not die out. Where are the Yaudheya republics in all this?

We will welcome your insight into other terms, but could this suffice for now.

Thank you for bringing some rationale into the discussion.

Ravi

lrburdak
September 29th, 2009, 01:45 PM
The victory of Yasodharman is mentioned in the sentence “Ajay Jarto Hunan” in the grammer of Chandra of the fifth century. This mention in the phrase sentence अजय जर्टो हुणान or “Ajay Jarto Huṇān”, refers to the defeat of Huns by the Jats under the leadership of Yasodharman.

This view is supported by CV Vaidya in History of Medieval Hindu India, apart from supporting by B S Dahiya and Thakur Desh Raj.

Line -4 of Mandasor Pillar Inscription of Yashodharman reads:

(L. 4.) He who, spurning (the confinement of) the boundaries of his own house, enjoys those countries, thickly covered over with deserts and mountains and trees and thickets and rivers and strong-armed heroes, (and) having (their) kings assaulted by (his) prowess, which were not enjoyed (even) by the lords of the Guptas, whose prowess was displayed by invading the whole (remainder of the) earth, (and) which the command of the chiefs of the Hunas , that established itself on the tiaras of (many) kings, failed to penetrate:

Here it specifically mentions about Guptas. Thus it is rejected that Yashodharman belonged to Guptas.


Line - 3 of Bijayagadh Stone Pillar Inscription of Vishnuvardhana reads -
(Line 3.)-On the ceremony of the pundar ka-sacrifice (having been performed), this sacrificial post has been caused to be set. up by the Varika, the illustrious Vishnuvardhana whose royalty and name are well established,-who is the excellent son of Yashovardhana; (and) the excellent son s son of Yashôrâta; (and) the excellent son of the son s son of Vyâghrarâta, - for the purpose of increasing (his) splendour, sacrifices, religion, welfare (in the other world), prosperity, fame, family, lineage, good fortune, and enjoyment.

Important point of consideration here are:

How do we correlate these two inscriptions?

Are Yashodharman and Yashovardhana same ?

Aulikar is not mentioned in this inscription. How and where from Aulikar came ?

Guptas had defeated Shakas in Malwa. Is it not possible that Yashodharman belonged to Shakas ?

ravichaudhary
September 29th, 2009, 07:48 PM
The victory of Yasodharman is mentioned in the sentence “Ajay Jarto Hunan” in the grammer of Chandra of the fifth century. This mention in the phrase sentence अजय जर्टो हुणान or “Ajay Jarto Huṇān”, refers to the defeat of Huns by the Jats under the leadership of Yasodharman.




How do you connect Chandragomin's phrase to Yashodharman?

How does that phrase make him a Jat?

Simply quoting C M Vaidya or another historian is no good.Vaidya could be mistaken!


Dr Rana's has a valid question.

Ravi Chaudhary

drssrana2003
September 30th, 2009, 01:32 AM
Yashodharman,

Laxman Ji,
A few things need to be restated in the light of fresh evidence of the Rishthal inscrition. The expression guptanAtha.. in Line 4 of the Mandasor Pillar inscription is a KarmadhAraya samAsa and means the Gupta overlords rather than a Shashthi tatpurusha samAsa meaning lords of the Guptas.[the suggestion here is that Yashodharman has done a shade better than the gupta overlords in axquiring (by conquest) territories.It also underscores the feudatory status of the Aulikara family, at least before the time of Yashodharman.
Conceding that the text in the grammar of Chandra Gomin is as given by most scholars we still have to reproduce the full and correct reading (which is not the case with many writers reffering to it). The appropriate text is -'ajayaj jarto hUNAn' sandhi. the original is ajayat jartah hUNAn, the letter 't' being soft in the two words].
Let Jarta be taken as Jat. But, as Ravi Ji has also said, does that lead to the conclusion that it refers to Yashodharman alone, especially when there are several claimants to the fact of having defeated the Hunas. We still require cogent proof in favour of Yashdharman to clinch the issue.Till then we have to keep the issue unsettled. The suggestion that Yashodharman could be a Shaka and an adversary of the Guptas can not stand in the face of the fact that the Aulikaras,both early and latter, of Mandasor region had been feudatories of the imperial Guptas with varying degree of aytonomy/independence.
As stated earlier in another post, Vishnuvardhana(VV) of BijayaGarh inscription is entirely different from VV of Mandasor Pillar inscription of YD). The name of father of VV of Bijayagarh Inxscription is given as Yashovardhana which is different from Yashodharman. There is no reason to take the two as identical. VV was a Varika. YD alias VV was an Aulikara. Let us accept the distinct identity of the two.

ravichaudhary
September 30th, 2009, 02:17 AM
Yashodharman,



Conceding that the text in the grammar of Chandra Gomin is as given by most scholars we still have to reproduce the full and correct reading (which is not the case with many writers reffering to it). The appropriate text is -'ajayaj jarto hUNAn' sandhi. the original is ajayat jartah hUNAn, the letter 't' being soft in the two words].
Let Jarta be taken as Jat. .

Ranaji

We should not be conceding anything - not at this point anyway.

We should go step by step for ourselves and our readers, and build the foundation slowly- one block at a time.

Does the term' Jartah/jarto " refer to " Jats or not"?

We can discuss other points separately!

Ravi Chaudhary

drssrana2003
October 2nd, 2009, 01:21 AM
The victory of Yasodharman is mentioned in the sentence “Ajay Jarto Hunan” in the grammer of Chandra of the fifth century. This mention in the phrase sentence अजय जर्टो हुणान or “Ajay Jarto Huṇān”, refers to the defeat of Huns by the Jats under the leadership of Yasodharman.

This view is supported by CV Vaidya in History of Medieval Hindu India, apart from supporting by B S Dahiya and Thakur Desh Raj.

Line -4 of Mandasor Pillar Inscription of Yashodharman reads:

(L. 4.) He who, spurning (the confinement of) the boundaries of his own house, enjoys those countries, thickly covered over with deserts and mountains and trees and thickets and rivers and strong-armed heroes, (and) having (their) kings assaulted by (his) prowess, which were not enjoyed (even) by the lords of the Guptas, whose prowess was displayed by invading the whole (remainder of the) earth, (and) which the command of the chiefs of the Hunas , that established itself on the tiaras of (many) kings, failed to penetrate:

Here it specifically mentions about Guptas. Thus it is rejected that Yashodharman belonged to Guptas.


Line - 3 of Bijayagadh Stone Pillar Inscription of Vishnuvardhana reads -
(Line 3.)-On the ceremony of the pundar ka-sacrifice (having been performed), this sacrificial post has been caused to be set. up by the Varika, the illustrious Vishnuvardhana whose royalty and name are well established,-who is the excellent son of Yashovardhana; (and) the excellent son s son of Yashôrâta; (and) the excellent son of the son s son of Vyâghrarâta, - for the purpose of increasing (his) splendour, sacrifices, religion, welfare (in the other world), prosperity, fame, family, lineage, good fortune, and enjoyment.

Important point of consideration here are:

How do we correlate these two inscriptions?

Are Yashodharman and Yashovardhana same ?

Aulikar is not mentioned in this inscription. How and where from Aulikar came ?

Guptas had defeated Shakas in Malwa. Is it not possible that Yashodharman belonged to Shakas ?

Dr. Rana's observations:
Yashovardhana of Bijayagarh was different from Yashodharman the Aulikara mentiomed in the two Mandasor inscriptions. His second name Vishnuvardhana is also given in the Mandasor inscription of 589 Malava samvat+532 A.D.
The Risthal inscription of Aulikara Prakashdharman of 572 Malava Samvat=515 A.D.authored by the same person Vasula who wrote the inscription of Aulikara Yashodharman(M.S.589=532 A.D.) gives the names of the following predecessors of Yashodharman:
1. Drap(m?)avardhana,2. Jatavardhana,3. Ajitavardhana, 4. Vibhishanavardhana,5. Rajyavardhana,6.Prakashadharman (his known date from the Risthal inscription is 572 M.S.=515 A.D).the seventh Aulikara is obviously Yashodharman. Since early writers had no access to the contents of the Risthal inscription their findings could not be relevant today. Currentlywriting scholars have promptly disowmed their earlier stand on several issues in light of the clinching evidence available now.
If we give a moderate period of 20 to twent five years to each of the Aulikara rulers of Mandasor the first ruler would start near abot the beginning of the fifthe century or the end of the fourth centurycoinciding with the hey days of the Guptas under Samudragupta to Bhanugupta Baladitya who most probably in coalition with Yashodharman defeated the Huna king Mihirakula.

ravichaudhary
October 2nd, 2009, 11:34 PM
The Risthal inscription is very interesting,and very important.

The original is at Sitamau, in Madhya Pradesh. We should take a look at the original.


Is is available in


THE EPIGRAPHICAL SOCIETY OF INDIA, DHARWAR
http://www.archive.org/details/journaloftheepig014917mbp

It certainly adds to our knowledge of Mandsaur, and to that era. The relationship between that and Yashodharman's is clear, as the scribes are the same.

We need to examine what it means, and what the various relationships were.

It is a pity we have very little written records.


Ravi Chaudhary

lrburdak
October 4th, 2009, 07:29 PM
Rana Saheb,

Can you reproduce the The Risthal inscription here?

We can put it in Jatland Wiki.

Regards,

lrburdak
October 4th, 2009, 07:36 PM
Laduna (लदूना) is a village in Sitamau tehsil of Mandsaur district in Madhya Pradesh. It is about 30 km south-east of Mandsaur and 4 km from Sitamau.

The Laduna village was founded in 5th century AD. There is a beautiful lake named Lavasagar, on the eastern bank of which is situated the Rajniwas Fort. It was earlier ruled by Dhandhu Jats and later occupied by first Rathore ruler Ratan Singh of Ratlam in 17th century. Laduna was the capital of then Sitamau state from 1750 to 1820 AD. The Rajniwas was founded by Chhatrasal, the fifth son of Ratan Singh and construction completed by later rulers.

lrburdak
October 4th, 2009, 07:38 PM
We have still Jats living in this area since ancient times.

Jat gotras in the village Laduna Sitamau

Barwar, Bhuwanda, Daraiya, Gauria, Godara, Hidar, Jangu, Jhajra, Manju, Mola, Nawad, Pareriya, Punia, Siyag, Takar, Waswana,

May see more here = http://www.jatland.com/home/Laduna

We need to explore more here.

ravichaudhary
October 4th, 2009, 10:32 PM
Luxmanji

Rana sahib is not technically compuer savvy enough for this task.

We have to assist.


The iscription and translation is on the link I posted.

the inscription is very unclear.


If you have an opportunity to visit Sitamau, could you try and get a digital image.

We also have to discuss the implications of the incription.


Ravi

prashantacmet
October 14th, 2009, 03:38 PM
I wonder if "Virk" is supposed to be derived from "varika". However, let us preassume "virk" and "varika" to be same, still I am clueless to figure out any link of Yashodharman with Hindu Jats. "virK" are sikh jatts/ muslim jats. Hindu jats and sikh jatts are poles apart. Modern day Sikh jatts are the ancient Indo-scythians who mixed with local ppl of punjab (Hybrid of aryans and dravidians). On the contrary, Hindu jats are a combo of aryans and dravidians.

Let me stretch my theory further, Aryans originated from the west asia (preset day Iran, Iraq). Aryans were the Iranian ppl who intruded india around 5000-4000 B.C, pushed the indigenous dravidian ppl of present india down to south. Aryans were wheatish colored, black -eyed, brown-haired ppl. The aryans tried hard to keep their breeding pure, but sooner or later they got mixed with dravidians. On the other hand, Scythains originated from deep north west asia . Kingdom of scythians was located toward North-west to present day Iran (modern day Georgian , Ukranian and serbs are scythians). their physical features did n't resemble too much with aryans , they had an European touch . Scythians were white skinned and brown/blue-eyed ppl. Scythians entered in india in numerous chunks between 500B.C to 500 AD and mixed with hybrid aryans.