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ravichaudhary
April 14th, 2003, 03:58 AM
Does anyone have anyknwoledge of the Dharan jats?

Wher their villages are ?

What the names of these villages are ?

What the numbers are

Ravi Chaudhary

rkumar
April 14th, 2003, 09:41 PM
Ravi Chaudhary (Apr 13, 2003 06:28 p.m.):
Does anyone have anyknwoledge of the Dharan jats?

Wher their villages are ?

What the names of these villages are ?

What the numbers are

Ravi Chaudhary

Hi Ravi,

Hope you know, there is a place called Dharan in Nepal. Nepal has been part of subcontinent civilisation always and can not be kept aside. May be we look in details at the history of Dharan city in Nepal and may get some clue.

regards
Rajendra

ranjitjat
April 14th, 2003, 10:28 PM
Ravi
Gupt kingdom of Mangad & Ujjan from 240 ac to 528 AC was a Dharan Gotra Jat Kingdom
According Capt. Dalip singh Ahalawat book.

According Dr Kanshi parsad Jaiswal- history.
Gupt were KARASKAR- Now called KAKAR- KAKRAN- KHOKAR JATS.
DHaran Gotra jat villages were in Mathura & around Malawa.
Now a days- Dharan also called - DHARI- DHALIWAL- DHEER JATS.
We have many villages of Dhaliwal jat in Panjab- Haryana Etc.

Other point to note-

Sakandgupt defeated the HUNS.
CHANDERGOMINI- GRAMMER SAYS-
ARJAYAO JARTO HUNANAY- Meaning
THE JATS DEFEATED THE HUNS.
So this prove that Sakandgupt was a jat king.

Also all Gupta kings- Chandergupta 1st &
Chandergupta 2nd- Vikarmaditya were jats
of Dharan gotra.

ravichaudhary
April 15th, 2003, 03:12 AM
To Dudhee sahibs and Rajendra pposts let me add.

On this thread let us accumulate what we can about the Dharan Jats



http://www.sikhcoalition.org/Sikhism15.asp
From:
an article by S. Kapur Singh



When Dhar was overrun by Muslim invaders in the fourteenth century the whole
population of the ruling Powars, original Mallavas of Alexander’s time, migrated towards Punjab, their original habitat and established their headquarters at village, Kangar in the Patiala region, to which place Guru Gobind Singh, repaired in 1706 to write a letter of admonition to emperor Aurangzib, inviting the emperor for personal interview there and assuring him of a safe conduct and a friendly reception [53] .
These people are now known as Dharwar or Dhaliwal Jats, and are found in Patiala, Ludhiana and Amritsar Districts mostly.”’

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This is not an unusual story.

Many Jat clans in the North point to backward migration back to the Punjab/Haryana/UP from central South India.

The Solanki/Ahlawat Clans in Haryana point to the Chalukya empires of the South


Ravi

ravichaudhary
April 15th, 2003, 03:15 AM
On the etymology of the word Dharan.

You may consider that is a variant of

Dhar, as in Dhar-an., the ‘ an’ means 'of'.

We find Dhar , Dhari, Dhariwal, and Dhaliwal jats.

Redaers are reminded the L and the R are linguistically interchangeable.

These Jats are found all over Punjab, East and West, Pakistan, Haryana, Up, Rajastan, and Madhya Pradesh.

Dharwar – Dhar-war ( similar to Marwar) was a capital of the Dhar Jats, ruled by Raja Bhoj. Circa 100o AD (I think- pl check the dates.)

Ravi

ravichaudhary
April 15th, 2003, 03:18 AM
Dharmpal Singh Dudee (Apr 14, 2003 12:58 p.m.):
Ravi
Gupt kingdom of Mangad & Ujjan from 240 ac to 528 AC was a Dharan Gotra Jat Kingdom
According Capt. Dalip singh Ahalawat book.

According Dr Kanshi parsad Jaiswal- history.
Gupt were KARASKAR- Now called KAKAR- KAKRAN- KHOKAR JATS.
DHaran Gotra jat villages were in Mathura & around Malawa.
Now a days- Dharan also called - DHARI- DHALIWAL- DHEER JATS.
We have many villages of Dhaliwal jat in Panjab- Haryana Etc.

Other point to note-

Sakandgupt defeated the HUNS.
CHANDERGOMINI- GRAMMER SAYS-
ARJAYAO JARTO HUNANAY- Meaning
THE JATS DEFEATED THE HUNS.
So this prove that Sakandgupt was a jat king.

Also all Gupta kings- Chandergupta 1st &
Chandergupta 2nd- Vikarmaditya were jats
of Dharan gotra.
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Do we have actual names of the Villages,

Do we access to the Bhatt histories

Any information will be valuable.

Any Dharan, Dhariwal Jats in this group ??

Please post your village, history etc

Please help if you can

Ravi

ravichaudhary
April 15th, 2003, 03:20 AM
Rajendra Kumar Kalkhunde (Apr 14, 2003 12:11 p.m.):

Ravi Chaudhary (Apr 13, 2003 06:28 p.m.):
Does anyone have anyknwoledge of the Dharan jats?

Wher their villages are ?

What the names of these villages are ?

What the numbers are

Ravi Chaudhary

Hi Ravi,

Hope you know, there is a place called Dharan in Nepal. Nepal has been part of subcontinent civilisation always and can not be kept aside. May be we look in details at the history of Dharan city in Nepal and may get some clue.

regards
Rajendra

Rajendra you are very right.


nepal was under the Kushans, I have provided some files in the Files section of the Jat history group

Let us keep probing

Ravi

lrburdak
May 4th, 2003, 02:22 PM
Dr. Mahendra Singh Arya in his book-Jat Gotra Shabdawali, Published by Jay Pal Ajency Agra, has explained the origin of Dharan gotra. Chandragupta second’s daughter Vakataki clan Rudrasain second’s Maharani Prabhawati Gupta adopted his father’s gotra. Hence the Dharan meaning adoption was started. Dharan is Sanskrit word. Dhariwal gotra is also derived from Dharan.

rkumar
May 4th, 2003, 08:53 PM
There is an important town Dharwar in Karnatka. May be we look at this town also in this context..

Rajendra

lrburdak
June 17th, 2003, 12:09 PM
I came across a letter published by Saleem A. Bhalli on the URL-
http://www.dawn.com/2003/02/07/letted.htm
It throws some light on Dharan gotra. The relevant portion is given below:-
.......Aryas being a small sub-caste of Scythians living on the Iranian border of the Caspian Sea.

The word Arya means the "cultivator" and the Aryas were never a separate group than the general mass of Scythians, living all around the Caspian Sea and occupying lands north of the Black Sea (7th-8th century BC), then moving westward to Europe and southward to the subcontinent (7th century BC).

It was after firm establishment in India that the literate groups out of the Scythians invented the caste system, primarily to keep the conquered people (the Dravadians and other Shudras) under Scythian domination and the caste system was introduced and then vigorously enforced during the Gupta Empire (from 4th to 6th centuries AD), the Guptas themselves being Dharan Jats.
regards,