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rkumar
April 22nd, 2003, 07:54 PM
1. Tacitus ca 100 AD wrote about Oxiones with male head and bull body … maybe it was bull traders from Jutland or he could have said he does not know anything about Scandinavia. The Goths were better known in Rome from ca 200 onward. They came surely mostly from the south coast of Mare Balticum. However we cannot be sure if some came from East Sweden. On the other hand the Eril/ Heruli were influencing northern Germany with finds of neckrings there and we know they were brothers with some tribes at mouth of Oder.

2. The trisection of the moon year came from India I think. The Head/ Ansur symbolises "leadership" and totem of settlement with incarnation the asterism Cancer/ Crab. The Horse is surely Pegasus horse in sky symbol for spring at the time and also the power of leadership. The third is the asterism Bearwatcher that later became the "bearserk" symbolising the private foot soldier and male comradeship.

3. Snorre list the generations before Odin and starts with Thor and Siv and followers Loride, Eindride, Vingtor, Vingener, Moda, Mage, Seskef, Bedvig, Athra, Annan, Iterman, Heremod, Skjaldun, Bjar, Jat, Gudolf, Finn, Fridlef and Odin/Oden. Snorre uses the same kind of ancestors' to Odin as we find in the Anglo-Saxon tradition. It is evident that the names / concepts before Odin normally should be seen as cultural ideas and not as persons … still in our days many find it difficult to separate fiction / saga and reality

4. The Germans migrated to England as the Angles, Saxons and the Jutes, in decades immediately following the depature of the Roman legionaires from Britian around 410 A.D.

In The Story of English, a 1986 companion book to the PBS television series of the same name, authors McCrum, Cran and MacNeil say, "The tribes which now threatened the Celtic chiefs of Britain were essentially Germanic.... There are, Tacitus [famed Roman historian, c. 55-120 A.D.] writes, seven tribes.... One of these seven barbarous tribes was the Angli, known to history as the Angles, who probably inhabited the area that is now known as Schleswig-Holstein [immediately south of Denmark on the Jutland Peninsula].... The speech of the Angli belonged to the Germanic family of languages" (pp. 56-58).

5. What about the Jutes? They are part of the Saxons as well. But where did this name "Jute" come from? Remember Sennacherib took 200,000 Jews captive in an invasion of Judah, see 2 Kings 18:13, and took the fortified citites. These people were called Jews NATIONALLY, because they were part of the kingdom of Judah. Then the name got corrupted to "Jute." These people in the fortified citites as we have proved were the people of the northern kingdom of ISRAEL, primarily of Ephraim and Manasseh. Stephen Collins writes about the Jutes: "As the Saxons migrated into Europe, and the British-Isles, they were closely allied iwth the Jutes...The Jutes left their names (Juteland) on the Danish Penninsula...we find them closely identified with the Sacae [Ephraim and Manasseh] (who became Saxons)...George Rawlinson notes that the greatest tribe, the Massagatae [Manasseh], was also named the 'great Jits,' or 'Jats'...the Massagatae tribe Sacae were mostly of the Israelite tribe of Manasseh...one tribe retained the Indo-Scythian tern 'Jat' and became Known as the 'Jutes'''(LTTF, pp.343-344, emphasis added).

Don't you guys agree that Jats are a great race and have left their footprints all over world...?

Rajendra

chhoraharyanada
April 28th, 2003, 03:26 AM
mr khalkhunde ji,

yes I have heard of 'jats from jatland' theory. a jatt-sikh friend of mine was telling me about this v.old book, and in it they were talking about the maharaja duleep singh of punjab. one british lord writes and tells another british lord (of duleep singh ji), [something along the lines of] 'he will be happy in kent as the people of kent are of the same stock as duleep singh'.

I dont know which book this is, but when I find out I will post.

also, along the lines of this 'jat from jatland' theory, in the uk there are people (gore log) with names like 'dillon' (taken from 'dhillon'), 'gill' (taken from 'gill'), 'birke' (taken from 'virk'), 'mann' (taken from 'maan'), and interesting there is a place in scandanavia called 'jutland' .... plz could u elaborate more facts on this plz.

thanking u.

lrburdak
May 2nd, 2003, 05:05 PM
It is believed that many countries in the world derived their names from sanskrit languages as it was oldest language. Many Indian RISHIS went to various countries to spread the knowledge. Scandinavia was named after Scandnabh RISHI. Religious book of Scandinavia is Edda. It is mentioned in Edda that their forfathers came from place called ASIGADH in Malwa.

lrburdak
May 2nd, 2003, 05:31 PM
The Jutes and jats-

Collins sees a connection between the Jats and the Jutes of Europe (p. 343), and one may well exist—particularly when we realize that a Norse equivalent for the Scythian names Geat or Goth was Jat (see the Edda genealogy in Appendix 10: "The Family of Odin"). But who were the Jutes? They were a tribe of people who gave their name to Jutland, the mainland peninsula of Denmark.

Furthermore, though we often think of the Angles and Saxons who settled in Britain and became the English, it is more correct to say that Britain was invaded in the fifth through seventh centuries by the Angles, Saxons and Jutes: "Most of the country was conquered by these Teutons, of whom the principle tribes were the Angles, Saxons, and Jutes, who finally fused into one people, under the name of Anglo-Saxons, or Angles or English, while that portion of Britain in which they made their home was called England" (Gene Gurney, Kingdoms of Europe: An Illustrated Encyclopedia of Ruling Monarchs from Ancient Times to the Present, 1982, p. 129).

In fact, the Jutes actually arrived first! "The first of these Teutonic kingdoms was founded in Kent. A despairing British chieftain or king, Vortigern . . . to save his people from their northern foes . . . invited the Teutons to come to his aid. Two well-known Jutish Vikings, Hengist and Horsa, accepted the invitation with their followers, and in the year 449 landed on the island of Thanet, the southeastern extremity of the England . . . Eric, a son of Hengist, was, in 457, formally crowned king of Kent, that is, of England’s southeastern coast. He was the first of her Teutonic kings" (p. 129).

Now the critical question: Could the name Jute—and perhaps Jat—be related to Judah? Notice the following from a linguistics textbook: "The German linguist Jakob Grimm (of fairy-tale fame) . . . published a four-volume treatise (1819-1822) that specified the regular sound correspondences among Sanskrit, Greek, Latin, and the Germanic languages. It was not only the similarities that intrigued Grimm and other linguists, but the systematic nature of the differences . . . Grimm pointed out that certain phonological changes that did not take place in Sanskrit, Greek, or Latin must have occurred early in the history of the Germanic languages. Because the changes were so strikingly regular, they became known as ‘Grimm’s Law’ . . . [one example of which is] d—>t . . . voiced stops become voiceless" (Victoria Fromkin and Robert Rodman, An Introduction to Language, Fourth Edition, 1988, p. 315).
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