rkumar
April 22nd, 2003, 07:54 PM
1. Tacitus ca 100 AD wrote about Oxiones with male head and bull body … maybe it was bull traders from Jutland or he could have said he does not know anything about Scandinavia. The Goths were better known in Rome from ca 200 onward. They came surely mostly from the south coast of Mare Balticum. However we cannot be sure if some came from East Sweden. On the other hand the Eril/ Heruli were influencing northern Germany with finds of neckrings there and we know they were brothers with some tribes at mouth of Oder.
2. The trisection of the moon year came from India I think. The Head/ Ansur symbolises "leadership" and totem of settlement with incarnation the asterism Cancer/ Crab. The Horse is surely Pegasus horse in sky symbol for spring at the time and also the power of leadership. The third is the asterism Bearwatcher that later became the "bearserk" symbolising the private foot soldier and male comradeship.
3. Snorre list the generations before Odin and starts with Thor and Siv and followers Loride, Eindride, Vingtor, Vingener, Moda, Mage, Seskef, Bedvig, Athra, Annan, Iterman, Heremod, Skjaldun, Bjar, Jat, Gudolf, Finn, Fridlef and Odin/Oden. Snorre uses the same kind of ancestors' to Odin as we find in the Anglo-Saxon tradition. It is evident that the names / concepts before Odin normally should be seen as cultural ideas and not as persons … still in our days many find it difficult to separate fiction / saga and reality
4. The Germans migrated to England as the Angles, Saxons and the Jutes, in decades immediately following the depature of the Roman legionaires from Britian around 410 A.D.
In The Story of English, a 1986 companion book to the PBS television series of the same name, authors McCrum, Cran and MacNeil say, "The tribes which now threatened the Celtic chiefs of Britain were essentially Germanic.... There are, Tacitus [famed Roman historian, c. 55-120 A.D.] writes, seven tribes.... One of these seven barbarous tribes was the Angli, known to history as the Angles, who probably inhabited the area that is now known as Schleswig-Holstein [immediately south of Denmark on the Jutland Peninsula].... The speech of the Angli belonged to the Germanic family of languages" (pp. 56-58).
5. What about the Jutes? They are part of the Saxons as well. But where did this name "Jute" come from? Remember Sennacherib took 200,000 Jews captive in an invasion of Judah, see 2 Kings 18:13, and took the fortified citites. These people were called Jews NATIONALLY, because they were part of the kingdom of Judah. Then the name got corrupted to "Jute." These people in the fortified citites as we have proved were the people of the northern kingdom of ISRAEL, primarily of Ephraim and Manasseh. Stephen Collins writes about the Jutes: "As the Saxons migrated into Europe, and the British-Isles, they were closely allied iwth the Jutes...The Jutes left their names (Juteland) on the Danish Penninsula...we find them closely identified with the Sacae [Ephraim and Manasseh] (who became Saxons)...George Rawlinson notes that the greatest tribe, the Massagatae [Manasseh], was also named the 'great Jits,' or 'Jats'...the Massagatae tribe Sacae were mostly of the Israelite tribe of Manasseh...one tribe retained the Indo-Scythian tern 'Jat' and became Known as the 'Jutes'''(LTTF, pp.343-344, emphasis added).
Don't you guys agree that Jats are a great race and have left their footprints all over world...?
Rajendra
2. The trisection of the moon year came from India I think. The Head/ Ansur symbolises "leadership" and totem of settlement with incarnation the asterism Cancer/ Crab. The Horse is surely Pegasus horse in sky symbol for spring at the time and also the power of leadership. The third is the asterism Bearwatcher that later became the "bearserk" symbolising the private foot soldier and male comradeship.
3. Snorre list the generations before Odin and starts with Thor and Siv and followers Loride, Eindride, Vingtor, Vingener, Moda, Mage, Seskef, Bedvig, Athra, Annan, Iterman, Heremod, Skjaldun, Bjar, Jat, Gudolf, Finn, Fridlef and Odin/Oden. Snorre uses the same kind of ancestors' to Odin as we find in the Anglo-Saxon tradition. It is evident that the names / concepts before Odin normally should be seen as cultural ideas and not as persons … still in our days many find it difficult to separate fiction / saga and reality
4. The Germans migrated to England as the Angles, Saxons and the Jutes, in decades immediately following the depature of the Roman legionaires from Britian around 410 A.D.
In The Story of English, a 1986 companion book to the PBS television series of the same name, authors McCrum, Cran and MacNeil say, "The tribes which now threatened the Celtic chiefs of Britain were essentially Germanic.... There are, Tacitus [famed Roman historian, c. 55-120 A.D.] writes, seven tribes.... One of these seven barbarous tribes was the Angli, known to history as the Angles, who probably inhabited the area that is now known as Schleswig-Holstein [immediately south of Denmark on the Jutland Peninsula].... The speech of the Angli belonged to the Germanic family of languages" (pp. 56-58).
5. What about the Jutes? They are part of the Saxons as well. But where did this name "Jute" come from? Remember Sennacherib took 200,000 Jews captive in an invasion of Judah, see 2 Kings 18:13, and took the fortified citites. These people were called Jews NATIONALLY, because they were part of the kingdom of Judah. Then the name got corrupted to "Jute." These people in the fortified citites as we have proved were the people of the northern kingdom of ISRAEL, primarily of Ephraim and Manasseh. Stephen Collins writes about the Jutes: "As the Saxons migrated into Europe, and the British-Isles, they were closely allied iwth the Jutes...The Jutes left their names (Juteland) on the Danish Penninsula...we find them closely identified with the Sacae [Ephraim and Manasseh] (who became Saxons)...George Rawlinson notes that the greatest tribe, the Massagatae [Manasseh], was also named the 'great Jits,' or 'Jats'...the Massagatae tribe Sacae were mostly of the Israelite tribe of Manasseh...one tribe retained the Indo-Scythian tern 'Jat' and became Known as the 'Jutes'''(LTTF, pp.343-344, emphasis added).
Don't you guys agree that Jats are a great race and have left their footprints all over world...?
Rajendra