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ranjitjat
July 26th, 2003, 10:40 PM
amnestyis@amnesty.org

ranjitjat
July 27th, 2003, 08:59 AM
A Letter to Amenesty International
Request to all members.
Please write your letter of protest to Amenesty Internation on behalf of 5 Jats martyrs of 4th Bn the Jat regiment.

please fwd this to amnesty international as a mark of protest against the barbaric act commited by the Pakitsan army: mutilating the dead bodies of indian soldiers.

Amnesty's address is: amnestyis@amnesty.org
"Always be capable of feeling... any injustice commited against anyone anywhere in the world."
-Che Guevera.
It's time to prove this Amenesty International

Bodies returned bear evidence of torture - The Times of India News Service
NEW DELHI: A tale of barbarism by the Pakistani army in Kargil unfolded on Wednesday with the handing over of the bodies of six Indian soldiers in a disfigured and mutilated condition, some even without their vital parts.

This is the second such incident since fighting began in Kargil. Earlier this month, Pakistan had returned the body of MiG-21M pilot Sqn Ldr Ajay Ahuja after shooting him in cold blood.

``An initial examination reveals that the bodies were disfigured. This is an outrageous act and violation of all international conventions,'' said Army spokesman Col. Bikram Singh. ``Since the bodies were handed back by the Pakistani army, what happened to our soldiers is entirely Pakistan's responsibility,'' R. S. Jassal, the external affairs ministry spokesman, said.

The bodies of the six soldiers, including that of Lt Saurav Kalia, were handed over by the Pakistani army at post No. 43 near Kargil. The eyes of some of the soldiers had been gouged out, and their ears, nose and genitals chopped off. The six soldiers belonged to the Infantry's 4 Jat battalion and were part of a patrol that had been reported missing within Indian territory in the Kaksar sub-sector since May 14.

The Army spokesman declined to comment whether the soldiers had been tortured to death or whether the bodies had been mutilated afterwards, saying that they would not like to comment till they received details of the post-mortem report. The report has been delayed as the bodies could not be flown to the Base Hospital at Srinagar due to bad weather. ``We are hopeful of getting the report tomorrow,'' he said.

The Army and MEA spokesmen declined to comment on India's response if the post-mortem report indicated torture. They also declined to say whether organisations like the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC) would be present during the post-mortem.

A report from Kargil quoted an Army official as saying, ``We have never heard of any such treatment meted out to Army personnel, who wage a battle for their motherland, in the history of armed conflicts between the two countries. Pakistan has done this a few days before its foreign minister Sartaj Aziz will visit New Delhi to discuss the Kargil situation,'' he said. He recalled that in the 1971 war, the Indian Army had captured over 95,000 Pakistani soldiers in the eastern sector who were handed back to Islamabad unharmed.

The Army said fierce fighting continued in the Batalik and Drass sub-sectors and 10 more Pakistani soldiers had been killed and 12 wounded. Three more Indian soldiers were killed and three wounded.

Please forward this message by copying an pasting this article to amenestyis@amenesty.org as it is this gesture on your part which will lead to awakening of the world media.

dineshm
August 2nd, 2003, 10:40 AM
Ram Ram ji Dharam Pal Singh Ji (Taoji),
I have written a mail to amnesty international.You are right here .Its only our efforts that will make Pakistans acts visible to the world.Hope more and more people fall in your footsteps so that we can pay a tribute to the martyrs in our own ways.
Thank you for the idea.
Ram Ram sa.

ranjitjat
August 5th, 2003, 01:01 AM
Dear Dinesh Baeta RAMRAM
Thank you for the noble efforts for a noble cause
I dedicated my book France to Kargil- Shaheed gorav gatha to all Indian martyrs including Lt- Sorav Kaliya and 5 jat martyrs.
Their names are
Sepoy- Naresh Singh
2 Banwari Lal
3-MulaRam
4- Bhikharam Chaudhry
5- Arjun Ram

karansingh44
August 6th, 2003, 02:58 AM
I read the article about 5 Jaat Jawaans of Indian Army, I am thankful for bringing it to my and other brothers in USA's knowledge how the Pakistan army personnel mutilated the dead bodies. I am very very angry at the pakistani army people who did this hideous crime. Indian govt. should persue this matter with UNO and bring those to International justice. The army personnel does not matter what country they belong to are serving their motherland and their honour must be protected.

ranjitjat
August 9th, 2003, 12:39 AM
Dear Udai vir Singh
Thank you very much for your tribute.
Please write few protest mails to amnesty internation.
Which village you belong ? is it Jhujhu- Tiwala or NOranga bas ?
with best wishes
Dharmpal Dudee

sanjayrathee
August 18th, 2003, 10:12 PM
Dear Dharampal uncle I had sent a protest mail to Amnesty & here is the copy of reply as per that our authorities have not even answered the request by amnesty to go thru the postmortem documents etc.


----- Original Message -----
From: <pkteam@amnesty.org>
To: < sanjayrathee@bigfoot.com >
Sent: Monday, August 18, 2003 7:12 PM
Subject: your email


>
>
>
>
> Dear Sir
>
> Thank you for your email.
>
> Amnesty International was concerned at the time at reports of the alleged
> mistreatment of six Indian soldiers who were held by the Pakistan army as
> prisoners of war. Shortly after the soldiers' bodies were returned to
> India, Amnesty International asked officials of the Indian government to
> allow the organization to have sight of postmortem documents and other
> evidence so that we could undertake an assessment of the case. To date we
> have not received the requested documents.
>
> Yours sincerely
> South Asia Team
>
>
> A tale of barbarism by the Pakistani army in Kargil unfolded on Wednesday
> with the handing over of the bodies of six Indian soldiers in a disfigured
> and mutilated condition, some even without their vital parts.
>
>
> This is the second such incident since fighting began in Kargil. Earlier
> this month, Pakistan had returned the body of MiG-21M pilot Sqn Ldr Ajay
> Ahuja after shooting him in cold blood.
>
>
> ``An initial examination reveals that the bodies were disfigured. This is
> an outrageous act and violation of all international conventions,'' said
> Army spokesman Col. Bikram Singh. ``Since the bodies were handed back by
> the Pakistani army, what happened to our soldiers is entirely Pakistan's
> responsibility,'' R. S. Jassal, the external affairs ministry spokesman,
> said.
>
>
> The bodies of the six soldiers, including that of Lt Saurav Kalia, were
> handed over by the Pakistani army at post No. 43 near Kargil. The eyes of
> some of the soldiers had been gouged out, and their ears, nose and genitals
> chopped off. The six soldiers belonged to the Infantry's 4 Jat battalion
> and were part of a patrol that had been reported missing within Indian
> territory in the Kaksar sub-sector since May 14.
>
>
> The Army spokesman declined to comment whether the soldiers had been
> tortured to death or whether the bodies had been mutilated afterwards,
> saying that they would not like to comment till they received details of
> the post-mortem report. The report has been delayed as the bodies could not
> be flown to the Base Hospital at Srinagar due to bad weather. ``We are
> hopeful of getting the report tomorrow,'' he said.
>
>
> The Army and MEA spokesmen declined to comment on India's response if the
> post-mortem report indicated torture. They also declined to say whether
> organisations like the International Committee of the Red Cross (ICRC)
> would be present during the post-mortem.
>
>
> A report from Kargil quoted an Army official as saying, ``We have never
> heard of any such treatment meted out to Army personnel, who wage a battle
> for their motherland, in the history of armed conflicts between the two
> countries. Pakistan has done this a few days before its foreign minister
> Sartaj Aziz will visit New Delhi to discuss the Kargil situation,'' he
> said. He recalled that in the 1971 war, the Indian Army had captured over
> 95,000 Pakistani soldiers in the eastern sector who were handed back to
> Islamabad unharmed.
>
>
> The Army said fierce fighting continued in the Batalik and Drass
> sub-sectors and 10 more Pakistani soldiers had been killed and 12 wounded.
> Three more Indian soldiers were killed and three wounded.
>
>
>
>

ranjitjat
September 20th, 2003, 10:23 PM
DEAR SANJAY AND ALL
Thank you very much for your co-operation.
Now we have to ask our Indian government in India and Indian mission abroad.
Why they not want give medical report. Why they closed the file ?

ranjitjat
September 29th, 2003, 10:49 PM
It’s head for head along the border
Vishal Thapar
New Delhi, September 28

Rules of engagement

Unlawful act: Soldiers have immunity for killing enemy soldiers only in a declared war

Geneva Convention: Focuses on treatment of POWs. Treatment of bodies is in realm of military tradition

Scare tactics: In 1971 war, Gurkhas had a reputation of beheading Pak soldiers. They played on Pak soldiers’ belief that beheaded humans were headless in after-life too

Pak’s game too: During Kargil war, bodies of Indian soldiers, which Pakistan returned, were badly mutilated
India and Pakistan may not be at war, but on the Line of Control (LoC), they are playing a game of gore that may get out of control.
Last month, elements from the Pakistan Army walked across the LoC in the Rajouri sector in Jammu and Kashmir. They ambushed a Jat Regiment patrol and killed four troops.

But the intruders weren't through. They chopped off the head of a slain Indian soldier and carried it back across the LoC as a trophy. The Pakistanis also took away a light machine gun that the Indians were carrying.

The Indian retaliation was ferocious. Earlier this week, a battalion of the Jat Regiment shot dead nine Pakistani soldiers. And for gruesome impact, the Jats got the heads of two Pakistani soldiers.

The Army brass, however, isn’t saying anything about this macabre medievalism. “There's nothing to state officially. We're not making a statement,” says a senior officer at Army Headquarters.

Even the community of soldiers is taken aback by this barbaric dimension to Indo-Pak hostilities. Says Lt-Gen Satish Nambiar, who commanded the UN peacekeeping force in the Balkans in the early nineties, “Mutilation of bodies is not natural even in the heat of battle. Even in Yugoslavia, the scene of a bitter ethnic blood-letting, I did not hear such things.”

But this isn't the first time bodies have been mutilated in a no-war, no-peace situation along the LoC. Former Vice-Chief of Army Staff, Lt-Gen Vijay Oberoi has recollections of similar incidents in 1998-99 when Pakistan started sending across its Border Action Teams (BATs).

“This was a mixed lot of Pakistan Army regulars and mercenaries wearing black civvies. Their purpose was to open infiltration routes for cross-border entries,” says General Oberoi.

“On occasion, this trend did trigger Indian retaliation,” he admits, adding, “One such incident occurred after the Pakistanis carried back the body of an Indian jawan.”

Even during the Kargil war, bodies of some Indian soldiers, which the Pakistanis returned, were badly mutilated. One such posthumous humiliation was inflicted on Lieutenant Saurabh Kalia.

Oberoi, who regards such competitive sadism as an aberration, argues that it's primarily motivated by the intruders' quest for proof of inflicting casualties on the adversary.

“Some may be considering an enemy soldier's head a better evidence of a successful foray, compared to a captured weapon or some other material proof,” he says.

The General, who interacted with Pakistani President Pervez Musharraf, then Pak DG of military operations, as his counterpart in the mid-nineties, gives the benefit of the doubt to the Pakistani brass.

He says the equation at the lower levels matters. “Not everything that unfolds on the LoC is policy,” he says. “What transpires is mostly prompted by local considerations.”

<b>Rules of engagement</b>

Unlawful act: Soldiers have immunity for killing enemy soldiers only in a declared war

Geneva Convention: Focuses on treatment of POWs. Treatment of bodies is in realm of military tradition

Scare tactics: In 1971 war, Gurkhas had a reputation of beheading Pak soldiers. They played on Pak soldiers’ belief that beheaded humans were headless in after-life too

Pak’s game too: During Kargil war, bodies of Indian soldiers, which Pakistan returned, were badly mutilated
-----------------------------------------------------------------------------------They were also from JAT- REGIMENT

Dear all. please also remember 5 jats. whose mutilated bodies handed over in june 1999. When you talk about PAK AND HUMANRIGHTS
DHARMPAL