84 riots

[vsinghchaudhry]

Why cant the govt of india take any actions against criminals like sajjan kumar and jagdish tytler,when there is over whelming evidence against them regarding the 84 riots.Maybe its not a humane thing to be saying ,but many killed were sikh jats and maybe thats why it should be a personal topic. :mad: :mad: :mad:

[sansanwalamit]

84 riots are a personal issue to me irrespective of the Sikhs who died were either Jat or not. I still remember that time, I was four and we had guests in our house for many days, our guests were our Sikh tenants who were vulnerable within a JAT village.
It boils my heart, but sadly in my own village of Katwaria Sarai a school run by a sikh lady was burnt down, now I hear stories that some of the men from my village were involved in killing Sikhs. And none of them ever received any jail sentences. Thankfully there were no Sikh deaths in our village, most of the families saved their tenants like my family did (my chest swells), but I have heard horrible and grotesque stories from other parts of Delhi. I pray to God that such a thing never happens again.
On the last note I just wanted to say that most of the villagers from my village who were involved in the riots got consumed to drugs one by one as in the 80s drugs (heroin and smack) were the "in thing" in my village amongst the hopeless and weak individuals.
Was Lord Krishna ever right (what goes around comes around)
Jai Sri Krishna

[anujkumar]

It was Rajiv Gandhi, everybody knows and it's like poltical correct not to say so. Congress attatch too much weight to THE family.

Jub ped girta hai to dharti hilti hai.

This is what he said when asked by a jouranalist, when riots were going on.

He was one crazy magnomaniac!, respnsible for all these deaths.

[ratananmol]

Dear Amit:
you have stuck the right cord by mentioning this; we were small kids in lucknow and know of one cloth seller "papaji" whose shop was burnt by the muslim villagers of the adjoining areas. Later i saw a very old sikh whose neck was paralysed used to ferry school chidren in a foot rickshaw, after having lost his family and house in the carnage.
In my village madangir there were no deaths or looting but in a market closeby local gundas and bad elements burnt some shops; one of my uncles was involved in rioting and had brought home some loot which he used to display even later. Ironically he joined a petty position in the Delhi Police some years ago and the society has administered the job of protecting people to this monster. As you have mentioned he was on his way to be consumed by drugs before being rescued by his new found job.
Sikhs had been prosperous as Manmohan singh mentioned in the parliament yesterday and it is a shame we failed to defend them from the jealous eyes of the society.
I personally feel that a sincere effort can be made(even after 21 years) to identify all those elements who had anything with this, shoot them in broad daylight and recover the cost of the bullet from their families (as is done in China).
This act if endeavoured by the society can do some justice to the sikhs.
Good to know that my fella jats share the same sentiments.

[raj_rathee]

Any human being with any sense of right or wrong would share the sentiments
expressed here.

But question is what have we learned ? What happened in '84 was more recently
repeated in Gujrat.

How is our country any different today then what it was in '84 ?

Kal doosran ki baari thi, aage ja ke humari bhi baari aa sakti hae ! A society that
fails to learn from its past and take steps for its future is uncivilized...and will
keep repeating history.

[captmanjeet]

Hi amit,
I was shocked to read Tytler's letter which is addressed to the PM, but given to Sonia. He seems to suggest that his only responsibility is towards the congress party and he has been very loyal to it (and even to the family as mentioned in the letter to Sonia) . And he even gave the letter to Sonia (not to PM), saying that she is his leader. Mr. Tytler please understand that you work for the people of this country who elected you and not for the party and Sonia. How sad to read the letter of resignation of Mr. Tytler. I would have made a better letter if I was an Area Manager of a company and mentioned at least how responsible I have been to the customers of my area. Mr. Tytler, in his whole letter just mentions how he has been working for the party and wants to quit as he does not want to embarrass the party. The word party is mentioned in each sentence. No where has he even bothered to mention the people who have elected him or the people who he was supposed to serve. Mr. Tytler, when you took the oath, you promised to serve the people of this country and not the party. Please show some responsibility towards it and at least mention the fact that how many millions of people have been hurt due to you . The letter has justified that politicians are self centered and only work for their party. They have no responsibility towards the people who elect them nor towards the people they promise to serve.

[shailendra]

Any human being with any sense of right or wrong would share the sentiments
expressed here.

But question is what have we learned ? What happened in '84 was more recently
repeated in Gujrat.

How is our country any different today then what it was in '84 ?

Kal doosran ki baari thi, aage ja ke humari bhi baari aa sakti hae ! A society that
fails to learn from its past and take steps for its future is uncivilized...and will
keep repeating history.

Hmmm...quite rightly so! It is quite distressing to sit and think that be it Sikh's, muslim's or even Hindu's...we can get quite barbaric when it comes to emotions!
Are we rightly called the oldest 'democracy' anymore? Have we learnt to be tolerant of other's in our society? Can we call ourselves the next strongpower in the world economy when really all it needs is a little spark (political mostly) for us to gleefully start a riot whenever we please!?! (consider the recent thrashing of workers in Gurgaon, those Sikh riots and then the Godhra kaand, or it be Babri masjid/and those useless Rath yatras!)...

We as Indian's are so gullible when it comes to politics! ...and here again the findings of the commission proves the same thing again; Political agenda! What a bunch of losers! What bastards have we put in power time and time again... I mean just consider the useless choices we have always had! The question really is can we continue to be tolerant of these laloo's, Mayawati's, Yadav's, Advani's and the Modi's??? If not them then who? Can the other newer person be ever considered any better and hope not to go down the same beaten path? How can there be a complete revamp? What are the alternatives that any thinking individual can pick from... Can this whole political system ever be overhauled?

[raj2rif]

Any human being with any sense of right or wrong would share the sentiments
expressed here.

But question is what have we learned ? What happened in '84 was more recently
repeated in Gujrat.

How is our country any different today then what it was in '84 ?

Kal doosran ki baari thi, aage ja ke humari bhi baari aa sakti hae ! A society that
fails to learn from its past and take steps for its future is uncivilized...and will
keep repeating history.


Absolutely right, we need to learn lessons from the history to improve the society.

[raj2rif]

Hi amit,
I was shocked to read Tytler's letter which is addressed to the PM, but given to Sonia. He seems to suggest that his only responsibility is towards the congress party and he has been very loyal to it (and even to the family as mentioned in the letter to Sonia) . And he even gave the letter to Sonia (not to PM), saying that she is his leader. Mr. Tytler please understand that you work for the people of this country who elected you and not for the party and Sonia. How sad to read the letter of resignation of Mr. Tytler. I would have made a better letter if I was an Area Manager of a company and mentioned at least how responsible I have been to the customers of my area. Mr. Tytler, in his whole letter just mentions how he has been working for the party and wants to quit as he does not want to embarrass the party. The word party is mentioned in each sentence. No where has he even bothered to mention the people who have elected him or the people who he was supposed to serve. Mr. Tytler, when you took the oath, you promised to serve the people of this country and not the party. Please show some responsibility towards it and at least mention the fact that how many millions of people have been hurt due to you . The letter has justified that politicians are self centered and only work for their party. They have no responsibility towards the people who elect them nor towards the people they promise to serve.

That is the irony of our nation. Our intelligent voters for few days of feast, some liquor and some cash will re-elect such leaders again and again. Here is some thing that media should take on by telling people the true worth of such politicians. It was in Mrs. Indira Gandhi's time too, the congressmen had their first loyalty towards Madam, then for Party, then for themselves and their families, relatives and friends. No further by the way. That is the culture Mrs. Gandhi and Prior to that probably Mr. Nehru inculcated among congressmen and those who could not cope up with that had to leave congress.

[priti]

I remember the same thing...lots of sikhs were killed near our village...i was very young then but i remember vividly one thing...my father forcing the sikh carpenters who had worked on our house to cut their hair so that they cannot be identified.

Also, people on this site would be sad to know that its not only personal because jat sikhs might have been killed...its all the more personal because the individual involved is a jat himself. and that year made the political careers of these two political bigwigs in delhi. they were unknown before this.

Upon all of this...what should make us more sad is that the government actually provided specialised security commandos to the killers!

We definitely a bunch of losers! politicians make it big in india by inducing mobs to riots and killing people...just at the right time....and as some of you have pointed out that could be said about the BJP too....

[spdeshwal]

I was in Bombay during that fateful week wheh arson, looting and killing of thousands of innocent sikhs took place in Delhi and manyother cities of the country. Fortunately, no incident were reported from any part of Bombay except stray incidents of misbehaviour with some sikh taxi drivers.

It gives me solace and pride to share with the members of Jatland that except some incidents of arson and looting by some Chuhde/ Danaks of Gohana Adda and Mata Darwaja, Rohtak remained peacefull. No one was harmed physically. Jats helped the Sikhs and assured them of their safety and therefore no sikh family left Rohtak. Other jat dominted areas of haryana by and large remained peacefull whereas some of the non Jat areas like Riwari witnessed some deaths.

A train was stopped at kharawar village near Rohtak with hundreds of sikhs.
Panchayat with help of villagers not only ensured their safety but look after them well. Sikhs travelling by that train were so ovewhelmed by the gesture of the villagers that many of them frequently visited Kharawar village even after years of that horible period.

[gaganjat]

Khalsa are our brothers (no body knows better than me,especially Jatt sikh). The guilty for their killing deserve the most painful slaughter.