We need an aggressive Jat Leader in Rajasthan ?

[vijay]

So we have two budding leaders now, Netrapal and Abhishek, Good going. . . . but till we wait for their grand entrance, we shall still need people to fill the gap post Parasram ji Maderna and Ram Niwas Mirdha ji and Sis Ram ji Old or for that matter Subash Maharia ji, who BJP just might appoint head of BJP-Rajasthan in immediate future.

Lets debate on some of the existing younger Jat leaders of Rajasthan, people who we know will stand for election in 2008-2009

Rightly said Aarti Ji,

Subhash Mahariya Ji is the next jat leader from BJP who can infuelence the politics in Rajasthan and maybe he can make us proud in future. You know why ?

[aarti]

Rightly said Aarti Ji,

Subhash Mahariya Ji is the next jat leader from BJP who can infuelence the politics in Rajasthan and maybe he can make us proud in future.

You know why ?

Tell be WHY, my wise one ??

[vijay]

Tell be WHY, my wise one ??

I mean to say that Subhash Mehariya is among the leading man in state BJP and have a good chance to become CM of Rajasthan in future.

[aarti]

Yes, certainly he has the right requisite to be Chief Minister some time in future. The prevailing mind frame of BJP does not support a Jat Chief Minister.

We need to talk about immediate future and Congress is the only party in position to be able to support our candidature or give us our due importance and leverage in Rajasthan.

There is also talk of third-front or regional party for Rajasthan led by Natwar Singh and his son Jagat Singh along with some Congress leaders, but then it will only cut into Congress votes and significantly reduce possibility of Jat being a Chief Minister. We all know Natwar Singh and his son Jagat Singh proximity to BJP Chief Minister Vasundhera Raje, its natural they will play to her tunes.

[aarti]

In 2008 & 2009 and thereafter, there will be two challenges for our community in Rajasthan, for the first time since our consolidation in late 1930’s there will be a generation change. The young leaders of then might all be out of the race.

The generation after them has not really earned its respect to be able to lead our community. (I am sorry if I hurt someone’s feeling, but this is a fact)

We will need to select and patronize someone from a younger generation who will truly be able to lead us in this century, with our values and aspirations.

Here I might add that we shall need to accommodate such a person among ourselves, who is our choice but also acceptable to all others (castes, people, section of the society) in Rajasthan. After all we do not want to repeat our past mistakes to glorify ourselves and be cornered. We need to select who is one among us and lead all. To be at helm of affairs in Rajasthan, one cannot do it alone with just one community.

Difficult proposition, but for the sake of our future we will have to short-list someone. The onus is on us for our future.

[vijay]

Yes, certainly he has the right requisite to be Chief Minister some time in future. The prevailing mind frame of BJP does not support a Jat Chief Minister.

Yes, Subhash Mahariya have the ability to become CM and i think the mind frame of BJP is changing towards Jats as they can't neglect Jats becoz swing of the jat votes decide the politics of Rajasthan. They can play jat card too in future and Subhash Mahariya may lead them in Rajasthan.

We need to talk about immediate future and Congress is the only party in position to be able to support our candidature or give us our due importance and leverage in Rajasthan.

You are right Congress is the immediate future in Rajasthan.

There is also talk of third-front or regional party for Rajasthan led by Natwar Singh and his son Jagat Singh along with some Congress leaders, but then it will only cut into Congress votes and significantly reduce possibility of Jat being a Chief Minister. We all know Natwar Singh and his son Jagat Singh proximity to BJP Chief Minister Vasundhera Raje, its natural they will play to her tunes.

Third front or any regional party can't do anything in Rajasthan's political scenario. Natwar Singh doesn't have any personal influence but he can secure his political career if he join hands with BJP. Otherwise he is nowhere in politics now.

[abhishekphogat]

As I think Mr. Subhash Mahariya don’t have a future as a CM of Rajasthan.
I have one question : “Why do BJP or any other Party make a JAT as CM?”, anyway Jats are Happy where they are, they don’t have time to look at the state Politics or any other thing then their own fights.

Ok my leader is now in power so everything will happen for me what I want. If I am a Govt. Employee, then transfer near home, if a business man then my illegal business legally. If I am a student then entrance in college politics and money from college fund. If I am a farmer then electricity connection but no electricity other then the last 6 months just before election. If I am doing nothing then money and alcohol in election.
What I say man Everybody is happy. No body wants to change coz no body is ready to face the reality.

This is my Personal perception, might possible it hurts somebody but I am very sure I am not wrong.

Now talk about my place Shekhawati and current leaders. Coz I know the condition and I faced them.

From Independence till now there is no Broadway Railway Track. I know there are a lot places in Rajasthan or even in our country where there is no railway track, schools, colleges and all but we are talking about Jat power (I am not talking about muscle power ) and their influence in politics and society. there are no industries, and even there is potential for certain industries. There are many Business tycoons from Shekhawati, but no investment other then in Elections. :p
Shekhawati is only famous for their brave soldiers, what is the condition of Quality
Higher education. Where are the colleges in which students can do some research or can go for their subject. Even till now students have to go to Jaipur or delhi for Higher studies. What about the trades?

Even Mr. Subhash Mahariya, Mr Ola or any other leader never tried for it. Mr. Ola a minister in Govt. never spoke for the problems of his area. Coz he know he is not going to loose for sure. Ok now Mr. Subhash Mahariya, can anybody tell me what he did for Jat Community or even for his Rajasthan. I don’t think that other then we people and in his voters some body know him.

What do u hink a politician can only work for his people if he is from the ruling party.

Are we talking only about the mathematics of Votes????

Who is going to win who is going to loose or even who will be the CM, Thats it.

I don’t care about the CM or even the votes politics. (Even People don’t care about my thoughts :D ) . If there is a Jat and he/she is not doing anything for his area or for his voters other then their personal issues. So why do we need such a Jat leader?
I am sorry to say but Current Jat leaders (I am not saying all) are just taking advantage of the emotions and youth.

Once my father told me : “Keval Kaam se election nahi jeeta jata, U have to do something else”:rolleyes: . That time I thought, how it is possible any one can win election without doing work for his people, but now I came to know this something is what is known as politics in current era. And as I think every politician is just doing only the else part.

As Mr. Vijay and Aartiji mentioned Natwar Singh’s Name. Don’t u guys think we are just spoiling our discussion but discussing about Natwar singh after what he did when he was spotted in the Iraq scandal. I am not blaming him that he did so in Iraq scandal, but the way he reacted and what he did to save himself. If ur innocent then prove it don’t run away from the blames by changing parties, and by creating political pressure.

Glory and respect don’t follow the person u have to make them follow U, and as I think we are not doing anything to make people respect us.

I am a proud Jat but still sometimes ask a question to my self “am I?”, is there something to feel proud?? I am again saying this is my personal opinion.

We have to again and aging choose among the leader, to whom we like or not but there is no other way out. We are like this and we will be like this only, coz as per to current condition of Jats we don’t deserve better place even in politics or even in any part of society.

I didn't saw Unity in jats other the JatLand, we forgot what is unity, coz everybody want be the captain of ship. no body it trying to help for repair even the ship is sinking.

I am sorry if I hurt anybody’s feelings, just forgive me.

[narenderkharb]

In 2008 & 2009 and thereafter, there will be two challenges for our community in Rajasthan, for the first time since our consolidation in late 1930’s there will be a generation change. The young leaders of then might all be out of the race.

The generation after them has not really earned its respect to be able to lead our community. (I am sorry if I hurt someone’s feeling, but this is a fact)

We will need to select and patronize someone from a younger generation who will truly be able to lead us in this century, with our values and aspirations.

Here I might add that we shall need to accommodate such a person among ourselves, who is our choice but also acceptable to all others (castes, people, section of the society) in Rajasthan. After all we do not want to repeat our past mistakes to glorify ourselves and be cornered. We need to select who is one among us and lead all. To be at helm of affairs in Rajasthan, one cannot do it alone with just one community.

Difficult proposition, but for the sake of our future we will have to short-list someone. The onus is on us for our future.

That is an arduous task but an important one.

Do we have few name that can fit in to this young slot.

As far as ideologies are concerned these days all parties are having same .

We can see a socialist Yashwant turning to a BJPite Yaswant and hinduta supporter Vaghela turning in to a secular vegala of congress, Same Advani change face with every season from a communal to secular to a fan of jinnaha.So we can say that ideologies are more governed by the likes and dislikes of cotire that is in control of a particular party.

And whether we like or dislike we have to admit that top BJP circle is anti jat in mantality,so we can safely leave possibility of a jat cm in BJP.I stil remember the lame excuse of Atal for removing Sahib for no fault saying what can be done sahib himself said that I will leave chair if party does not perform well,never remembering that he forgets himself all in morning what he said last night.

So let us pin our hope on Parasram ji and hope that younger people will see the opportunity and will rise to the ocassion.

BTW who are current young promising options in addition to our own talented people at jatland.

[vijay]

As I think Mr. Subhash Mahariya don’t have a future as a CM of Rajasthan.

This is politics and you never know what is stored for us in future. I hope if u have provided some facts behind ur this conclusion.

I have one question : “Why do BJP or any other Party make a JAT as CM?”, anyway Jats are Happy where they are, they don’t have time to look at the state Politics or any other thing then their own fights

If Jats are happy with their status in Rajasthan than why all this exercise.

Ok my leader is now in power so everything will happen for me what I want. If I am a Govt. Employee, then transfer near home, if a business man then my illegal business legally. If I am a student then entrance in college politics and money from college fund. If I am a farmer then electricity connection but no electricity other then the last 6 months just before election. If I am doing nothing then money and alcohol in election.
What I say man Everybody is happy. No body wants to change coz no body is ready to face the reality.

This is my Personal perception, might possible it hurts somebody but I am very sure I am not wrong.

Do you think that only money and alcohal is the key to win a election ? You said that you want to enter politics. I am afraid that what you are going to do to win the election

Now talk about my place Shekhawati and current leaders. Coz I know the condition and I faced them.

From Independence till now there is no Broadway Railway Track. I know there are a lot places in Rajasthan or even in our country where there is no railway track, schools, colleges and all but we are talking about Jat power (I am not talking about muscle power ) and their influence in politics and society. there are no industries, and even there is potential for certain industries. There are many Business tycoons from Shekhawati, but no investment other then in Elections. :p
Shekhawati is only famous for their brave soldiers, what is the condition of Quality
Higher education. Where are the colleges in which students can do some research or can go for their subject. Even till now students have to go to Jaipur or delhi for Higher studies. What about the trades?

Rajasthan have such large area and u can't expect engineering or medical college in every town. What you say about Modi Institute of Technolgy ( One of best Institute in India ) at Laxmangarh.

if you have quest for a research, what you think that govt should provide you that facility at you home ?????

What you expect from business tycoons originally from Shekhawati and now in Bombay and Calcutta are willing to do some social work and invest their money there. For what ?????

Even Mr. Subhash Mahariya, Mr Ola or any other leader never tried for it. Mr. Ola a minister in Govt. never spoke for the problems of his area. Coz he know he is not going to loose for sure. Ok now Mr. Subhash Mahariya, can anybody tell me what he did for Jat Community or even for his Rajasthan. I don’t think that other then we people and in his voters some body know him.

What you expect from a jat leader ? To provide grains at your home ?

I am afraid if any literate or illetrate jat is unaware that a jat was a Cabinet Minister of India

What do u hink a politician can only work for his people if he is from the ruling party.

Are we talking only about the mathematics of Votes????

Hahahahha..... friend you just contradicted you own point of views about the community.

As Mr. Vijay and Aartiji mentioned Natwar Singh’s Name. Don’t u guys think we are just spoiling our discussion but discussing about Natwar singh after what he did when he was spotted in the Iraq scandal. I am not blaming him that he did so in Iraq scandal, but the way he reacted and what he did to save himself. If ur innocent then prove it don’t run away from the blames by changing parties, and by creating political pressure.

If you had read my posts here carefully i never supported Natwar Singh. But discussing about a person's political career is not a sin.

Glory and respect don’t follow the person u have to make them follow U, and as I think we are not doing anything to make people respect us.

I am a proud Jat but still sometimes ask a question to my self “am I?”, is there something to feel proud?? I am again saying this is my personal opinion.

Glory and respect are earned by the deeds what a person does.

We have to again and aging choose among the leader, to whom we like or not but there is no other way out. We are like this and we will be like this only, coz as per to current condition of Jats we don’t deserve better place even in politics or even in any part of society.

I didn't saw Unity in jats other the JatLand, we forgot what is unity, coz everybody want be the captain of ship. no body it trying to help for repair even the ship is sinking.

That's only ur opinion that we don't deserve better place in politics and in the soiciety. What you will tell the people when you will enter into politics. These thoughts or some doctored thoughts.

If everybody wants to be the caption of ship then why don't you take the responsibility to repair the ship.

Your call buddy.

[mirdha]

That is an arduous task but an important one.

Do we have few name that can fit in to this young slot.

As far as ideologies are concerned these days all parties are having same .


So let us pin our hope on Parasram ji and hope that younger people will see the opportunity and will rise to the ocassion.

BTW who are current young promising options in addition to our own talented people at jatland.

Yes, it indeed is an arduous task but we must do it in all our sincerity

I too like you will like to have opinion from more active members like Netrapal, Aarti, Vijay, abhishek phogat and others . . .. . to have their comments on the future possibilities.

Please give it a serious though and let us all scrutinize the names ourselves before letting them out, simply for a reason that we have name for serious discussions and not just for mentioning.

[mirdha]

In 2008 & 2009 and thereafter, there will be two challenges for our community in Rajasthan, for the first time since our consolidation in late 1930’s there will be a generation change. The young leaders of then might all be out of the race.

The generation after them has not really earned its respect to be able to lead our community. (I am sorry if I hurt someone’s feeling, but this is a fact)

We will need to select and patronize someone from a younger generation who will truly be able to lead us in this century, with our values and aspirations.

Here I might add that we shall need to accommodate such a person among ourselves, who is our choice but also acceptable to all others (castes, people, section of the society) in Rajasthan. After all we do not want to repeat our past mistakes to glorify ourselves and be cornered. We need to select who is one among us and lead all. To be at helm of affairs in Rajasthan, one cannot do it alone with just one community.

You have surely made some very valid points . . . .

[sanjeevm]

In 2008 & 2009 and thereafter, there will be two challenges for our community in Rajasthan, for the first time since our consolidation in late 1930’s there will be a generation change. The young leaders of then might all be out of the race.

The generation after them has not really earned its respect to be able to lead our community. (I am sorry if I hurt someone’s feeling, but this is a fact)

We will need to select and patronize someone from a younger generation who will truly be able to lead us in this century, with our values and aspirations.

Here I might add that we shall need to accommodate such a person among ourselves, who is our choice but also acceptable to all others (castes, people, section of the society) in Rajasthan. After all we do not want to repeat our past mistakes to glorify ourselves and be cornered. We need to select who is one among us and lead all. To be at helm of affairs in Rajasthan, one cannot do it alone with just one community.

Difficult proposition, but for the sake of our future we will have to short-list someone. The onus is on us for our future.

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Seriously, how about Aarti Jai Singh? Can we see a smile on your face now-

I also like Bindu Choudhary (Naguar Jila Pramukh). I think she is gutsy.

[netrapalsingh]

As I think Mr. Subhash Mahariya don’t have a future as a CM of Rajasthan.
I have one question : “Why do BJP or any other Party make a JAT as CM?”, anyway Jats are Happy where they are, they don’t have time to look at the state Politics or any other thing then their own fights.

Ok my leader is now in power so everything will happen for me what I want. If I am a Govt. Employee, then transfer near home, if a business man then my illegal business legally. If I am a student then entrance in college politics and money from college fund. If I am a farmer then electricity connection but no electricity other then the last 6 months just before election. If I am doing nothing then money and alcohol in election.
What I say man Everybody is happy. No body wants to change coz no body is ready to face the reality.

This is my Personal perception, might possible it hurts somebody but I am very sure I am not wrong.

Now talk about my place Shekhawati and current leaders. Coz I know the condition and I faced them.

From Independence till now there is no Broadway Railway Track. I know there are a lot places in Rajasthan or even in our country where there is no railway track, schools, colleges and all but we are talking about Jat power (I am not talking about muscle power ) and their influence in politics and society. there are no industries, and even there is potential for certain industries. There are many Business tycoons from Shekhawati, but no investment other then in Elections. :p
Shekhawati is only famous for their brave soldiers, what is the condition of Quality
Higher education. Where are the colleges in which students can do some research or can go for their subject. Even till now students have to go to Jaipur or delhi for Higher studies. What about the trades?

Even Mr. Subhash Mahariya, Mr Ola or any other leader never tried for it. Mr. Ola a minister in Govt. never spoke for the problems of his area. Coz he know he is not going to loose for sure. Ok now Mr. Subhash Mahariya, can anybody tell me what he did for Jat Community or even for his Rajasthan. I don’t think that other then we people and in his voters some body know him.

What do u hink a politician can only work for his people if he is from the ruling party.

Are we talking only about the mathematics of Votes????

Who is going to win who is going to loose or even who will be the CM, Thats it.

I don’t care about the CM or even the votes politics. (Even People don’t care about my thoughts :D ) . If there is a Jat and he/she is not doing anything for his area or for his voters other then their personal issues. So why do we need such a Jat leader?
I am sorry to say but Current Jat leaders (I am not saying all) are just taking advantage of the emotions and youth.

Once my father told me : “Keval Kaam se election nahi jeeta jata, U have to do something else”:rolleyes: . That time I thought, how it is possible any one can win election without doing work for his people, but now I came to know this something is what is known as politics in current era. And as I think every politician is just doing only the else part.

As Mr. Vijay and Aartiji mentioned Natwar Singh’s Name. Don’t u guys think we are just spoiling our discussion but discussing about Natwar singh after what he did when he was spotted in the Iraq scandal. I am not blaming him that he did so in Iraq scandal, but the way he reacted and what he did to save himself. If ur innocent then prove it don’t run away from the blames by changing parties, and by creating political pressure.

Glory and respect don’t follow the person u have to make them follow U, and as I think we are not doing anything to make people respect us.

I am a proud Jat but still sometimes ask a question to my self “am I?”, is there something to feel proud?? I am again saying this is my personal opinion.

We have to again and aging choose among the leader, to whom we like or not but there is no other way out. We are like this and we will be like this only, coz as per to current condition of Jats we don’t deserve better place even in politics or even in any part of society.

I didn't saw Unity in jats other the JatLand, we forgot what is unity, coz everybody want be the captain of ship. no body it trying to help for repair even the ship is sinking.

I am sorry if I hurt anybody’s feelings, just forgive me.

bhoot ache abhishek bilkul theek kaha.......


netra.....

[aarti]

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I also like Bindu Choudhary (Naguar Jila Pramukh). I think she is gutsy.

Sir, we are talking about serious contenders . . . . not the kind of people who are flirting with politics and community.

[sanjeevm]

Sir, we are talking about serious contenders . . . . not the kind of people who are flirting with politics and community.

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I sense a bias speaking, here. Or else please shed some light on your quite an interesting above comment. Seems like you know a lot about that region's politicians. I hope I didn't touch a poltitical nerve here.

[netrapalsingh]

Sir, we are talking about serious contenders . . . . not the kind of people who are flirting with politics and community.

aartee jee itna discussion hone ke bavjood ham kisi bhee najije par nahee
phauch paye hai. topic hai agreesive jat leader in rajasthan or ham
congress or BJP me ulajh kar rah gaye. politics me ane ke baad koi bhee
agressive nahi rahta. chahe wo sheeram jee ho chage mahariya jee ho
chahe koi bhee aaj natwar singh sab ko bura lag raha hai prantu kyo?
pls tell. une chori kee jiskaa koi proof nahi hai congress me sare chor hai
lalu kitna chor hai parantu congress ne usko apne swarth ke liye chati se
laga rakha hai. UP me chunav ate he ajit singh ko apnee party me lane
ke liye sab vyakul ho jate hai par chunav jitate hee usko kon puchta hai.

mere kahne ka matlab hai kee aise jat leader jo kuch karne ke chamta
rakhta ho imandar ho or asia admi ek hee parasram maderna. Agar
maderna jee nahi hote jodhpur me to ashok gahlot kam se kam 20000
voto se harta cm to bade door kee bat hai......

netra.......

[aarti]

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I sense a bias speaking, here. Or else please shed some light on your quite an interesting above comment. Seems like you know a lot about that region's politicians. I hope I didn't touch a poltitical nerve here.

Yes, because we are talking about state level with potential for regional level player, not village level.

[abhishekphogat]

This is politics and you never know what is stored for us in future. I hope if u have provided some facts behind ur this conclusion.

What BJP did for Jats, what is the basis of Ur prediction of a JAT CM? Man all other communities will never let happen this.
And about Maheriyaji, I agree that Gehlot won coz of Maheriyaji, but then why Gehlot as CM why not Maheriyaji???

Buddy change means pain and nobody is ready to take the pain for change not even u said so in ur quotes. Everybody think it will happen but me not. Future totally depends upon Present deeds.


If Jats are happy with their status in Rajasthan than why all this exercise.

See my Subject of Previous Post
and as i think pople like U and and Me and all other members of this group are not satisfied with current situation and we need Change.

Do you think that only money and alcohal is the key to win a election ? You said that you want to enter politics. I am afraid that what you are going to do to win the election


Vijaiji u read only the things what u wanted to. I said a lot of things but quote on ales only............ And tell me one thing what I wrote was correct or not? Not fully, on all the circumstances, but it is true and if somebody says NO, just come and see in election time.

And no need to afraid from me. If i am saying this happens in elections to win, that clearly means i don't like these things and for sure not going to do [Now some people will say then ur never going to win :D ]

And again the auestion is not me and U. this is "WE" about what we are talking about.

Rajasthan have such large area and u can't expect engineering or medical college in every town. What you say about Modi Institute of Technolgy ( One of best Institute in India ) at Laxmangarh.

When we talk about Higher education do it means only engineering or Medical, nothing other then that?
and from where this home thing come from??

if you have quest for a research, what you think that govt should provide you that facility at you home ?????


What you expect from business tycoons originally from Shekhawati and now in Bombay and Calcutta are willing to do some social work and invest their money there. For what ?????

The Question WHY, ask to ur self. As I think many of us are out of Rajasthan, then again the same WHY. Why this discussion on Rajasthan?? why even we are thinking about Rajasthan?


What you expect from a jat leader ? To provide grains at your home ?

I said trades, and our farmers are good enough to feed the whole nations. Nobody is waiting for the Politicians to come and feed them.


If you had read my posts here carefully i never supported Natwar Singh. But discussing about a person's political career is not a sin.

I am not saying anybody is commiting Sin here,and the only thing where our thoughts are same. :rolleyes:


Glory and respect are earned by the deeds what a person does.
Very Correct.

If everybody wants to be the caption of ship then why don't you take the responsibility to repair the ship.

I can’t see use of “WE”, even after a long discussion. Here u are telling the condition ur self.

Your call buddy.

Thanks

I am saying again we need a leader not a politician and as I think we all know the difference Between as Leader and politician.

[narenderkharb]

I wish more jatlanders from Rajasthan could give their openions.

[sanjeevm]

Yes, because we are talking about state level with potential for regional level player, not village level.

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Leaders don't necessarily have to come or decided from New Delhi. They can also come from villages. Frankly, that may be a good place to start, specially for Jats. I can name village Sarpanches who have taken people's and village's problems by heart to solve them. The good work they have done puts these ministers in govt. to shame. If they get involved in state politics they could make good leaders.

People can win an MLA or MP on a party ticket and become ministers. Their own they may not even become a Panch. Does that qualify them for state or national level leadership and hot topic of discussion?

The names making rounds here are "Banchedi Kitab" (I learned this phrase from a politician-.

When I saw you constantly asking for an aggressive, new generation Jat with potential. I named just one who is with great potential, young, aggressive and Jat. Looks like, I touched some nerve with that name. I can understand the pain if one is either a fan of or from Mirdha family (one won't want to hurt own perpetual interest).

If Bindu Choudhary has substance she will make it. If she doesn't have any substance she won't. I think neither your nor my comments or opinions going to make any difference to her.