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    Jat is origin of Ujjain
    SK Tewatiaji mentioned about Ujjain

    "I'd like to mention that while Jats are mentioned they were never noticed by Indian historians deliberately. One is from Sunda inscription of Sinda chief Chavunda, which says that "just as Amravati looked ever beautiful with Indra, or Ayodhya with the descendents of Raghu, Mathura with Govinda, Ujjayni with Gutta, and Hastinapur with son of Marut (Bhima); so also Erambarapura attained gracefulness with Sinda Chief Chavunda". Now all the references are well understood, but no one has explained who were or was the Gutta (or Guttan) through whom the city of Ujjayani was so known."
    Ujjain on Wikipedia

    The earliest references to the city, as Ujjaini, are from the time of the Buddha, when it was the capital of the kingdom of Avanti.
    Ujjain was the traditional capital of King Chandragupta II, also known as Vikramaditya, at whose court the nine poets known as the navaratna (nine jewels) of Sanskrit literature are said to have flourished. It marks the first meridian of longitude in Hindu geography. It is also reputed to have been the residence of Ashoka (who subsequently became the emperor), when he was the viceroy of the western provinces of the Maurya empire. It was invaded by the Delhi Sultanate lead by Iltutmish in 1235 causing widespread destruction and systematic desecration of temples.(Ref- )
    My suggestions
    1. It appears to prove the theory given by Thakur Deshraj, in Jat History, that Jats moved from Malwa to Scandinavia and founded Jutland. When Jats moved their Sangh got recognized with different names in different parts of the world as explained above in this thread.
    2. Under certain conditions beyond their control they migrated from Scandinavia back to Malwa region, their homeland, after hundreds of years. When they came back they were known as Gutta or Guttan, as mentioned in Sunda inscription by Tewatiaji. Gutta later on got changed to Gupta.
    3. Jat may be the origin of Ujjain explained as under:
    Jat .....Jatt (As in Punjab)
    Jatt .....Jutt
    Jutt ..... Gutt(J.....G)
    Gutt ....... Guttan (As mentioned in Sunda inscription)
    Guttan ........Gutian
    Gutyan.........Gutjan (Y....J)
    Gutjan..........Utjan (G’silent as Gunnis ,19, in Malwa becomes Unnis in Hindi)
    Ut+Jan.........ŕUjjan (meaning noble people)
    Ujjan .........Ujjain
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    Gupta and Barbarian have the same meaning
    Gupt(a) means iin hindi Secret, hidden or little known. Once I discussed the word barbarian(often attached with arayans) word with Romila Thapar's research scholar. She explained that it meant little known people. It is true also. Not only Aryans but getae, guts etc. are called barbarians by herodotus also. I'll quote from history chapter "persian wars" describing the fight of massageate queen tomyris with Cyrus the great around 5-6 century BC, when cyrus was killed; "First they faught on horse back with arrows, then with spears etc. n in last both the armies came on hand to hand fighting. In all the bloody wars in which these barbarians engage themselves this war was the fiercest"

    not only jat and aryan but saka, huns, turks etc. are also called barbarians. This is differently taken in history from the word barbaric which means ruthless. why these jats aryan saka etc. are called barbarians or little known people is due to the fact that most of history writers were non jats. n jats were usually little known to these outsiders i.e. non-jats.

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    the old jat heart of the world

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    another peshawar/purushpur/pakhtoon people of Shakuni's fame


    The oldest contact of Anatolia with the Akkadian-speaking peoples appears to go back to the time of the Dynasty of Agade. A legendary account, the so-called epic King of the Battle, relates that a group of merchants from the Anatolian city of Purushkhanda sent a delegation to the king Sargon of Agade, urging him to undertake a campaign to their city and vividly describing the wealth of their country. Sargon is reported in the legend to have, after some hesitation, acceded to the merchants’ request leading his troops to Purushkhanda.
    Another historiographical text, the Legend of Naram-Sin, implies that the city of Purushkhanda belonged to realm of Sargon’s grandson. Here it is related that a strange host, descending from the city of Shubat-Enlil in the country of Subartu, i.e. from northern Mesopotamia, invaded Naram-Sin’s kingdom, first attacking Purushkhanda and then, turning east and finally south, advanced toward the heartland of the Akkadian Empire. It is significant that Hittite versions of both of these tales have come to light at Bogazkoy and that Sargon’s exploits in Asia Minor are alluded to by the Hittite king of Khattushilish I (c. 1650 B.C.) in an historical inscription; for this tends to show that the later population of Anatolia considered the Old Akkadian period the beginning of their country’s recorded history. It is further worth noting that in the King of the Battle one of the principal actors bore the name of Nur-daggal, which stands for Nur-Dagan. Since, in the belief of the Akkadians, the lands dominated by the god Dagan lay west and north-west of the city of Tuttul (near the mouth of the river Balikh) the name Nur-Dagan perhaps implies that the merchants of Purushkhanda were not Akkadians but western Semites who were anxious to enter into commercial relations with Akkad.
    The first ruler whose contacts with that part of Asia Minor which, in the Hellenistic period, was called Cappadocia, are well attested is Erishum I of Assyria (c. 1941-1902 B.C.). Two copies of an original inscription of this king recording his building activity in the complex of the Ashur temple in the city of Ashur were excavated in 1948 at Kultepe, a site near the modern village of Karahuyuk, not far from Kayseri in central Asia Minor. With this ruler began an era in the history
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    January 24th, 2006, 12:26 AM #35

    old jat area was from ganges to the west of caspian sea

    v take jambudwipa 2 b identical with india n search fr the solutions. The puranas explicitly say that bharat varsha is a part, of jambudwipa.

    v hear dakshita kurus (southern kurus) in haryana area. n uttara kurus (northern kurus) in the north of meru parvata (pamirr moutains). The madras (modern punjab) n there r uttara madra (northern madra) people. the pakhtoons/pashtoons are in kabul/kandhar area right since the period of rigveda; n yet the Assyrian king Sargon-1 was fighting the "Uttara-pashtoon" in their city of Purushkhanda in Cappadocia in third millenium BC. We have a river called kuru(sh) or kur in the west of Caspian sea, and an area called Kourupedion (the land of Kurus) in the west of present Iraq, exactly like Kurukshetra (the land of Kurus) in india.

    All these facts, along with some other facts n notices, pin-point the fact that the lands of Uttara Kurus, Uttara Madras, Uttara Pashtoons were in the region of Caspian n Black seas.

    In fact jats were at the centre those times in this land from uttara kurus to dakshina kurus. like they r 2day from indus in the west 2 ganges n chambal in the east.

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    jat, the jatt, the ultimate name like mahamritrunjaya jaap

    Regarding the names of our villages and clans we have to agree that they are not from one language. Jat crossed a long distance, time, people, wars etc. Built, destroyed and faced many cultures and empires. But he rarely changed his clan name. Some villages and places etc. may be changed due to Muslim or British rule but not their clans. And most of the villages still retain their old ancient names.

    Like with arrival of Kushanas their names are Kujla Kadfices etc. but gradually they changin to Kanishka, Huvishka and later to even Indian god names; but "Kushana" is still intact till today. They never changed their original clan name. They are found in Rajasthan in the form of Kusuan/Kasuan/Kaswan Jats.

    Similarly Elam, Batana (Bhatana/Bhatona in Gulaothi), Bagha, Susana, Kharkhoda sound more persian rather than hindi names.
    Jat, Gujar, Heer/Aheer are hard to be described in Hindi particularly not as easily as Rajput. Why? because Rajput was coined in Hindi/Sanskrit and its very recent name while other names (Jat, Gujar...etc) are much older.
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    arun kumar shamli ji

    Sorry, Arun Balyan ji.

    Thanks for your suggestions. I'll take care of them henceforth.
    Regarding your querry that half of them in hindi n english; I'd like to say that what I've in this calender is these four months Sept-Dec. March and Febrauary which leave no doubt that It is like Vikram and Saka Calender only. Beginning of year from around March month is very much justified from many reasons in India due to Its Ritus/seasons. And Vikram n Saka calender also begin with March/April.

    Now what the Britishers or Christians may claim to be their original calender is in fact not the original one but a pyrated/adopted one from India. They did change the original months name as per their languages and tried and not only tried but actually they are still doing to show it as if it was their own and original one.

    However, they still forgot to change the aforesaid months names and hence here they are caught.

    Jat emperors of India very fond of starting new Eras. Like Harsh by Harshvardhana, Vikram by Vikramaditya, Saka by Kanishka etc.
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    plz try yamna culture on google search

    The Yamna (from Russian яма "pit") or Pit Grave or Ochre Grave culture is a late copper age/early bronze age culture of the Bug/Dniester/Ural region, dating to the 36th–23rd centuries BC. The culture was predominantly nomadic, with some agriculture practiced near rivers and a few hillforts. Domestication of the horse, cattle, sheep and goat, use of plough and carts is attested.

    Characteristic for the culture are the inhumations in kurgans, (tumuli) in pit graves with the dead body placed in a supine position with bent knees. The bodies were covered in ochre. Multiple graves have been found in these kurgans, often as later insertions. Significantly, animal grave offerings were made (cattle, pigs, sheep, goats and horse), a feature associated with early Indo-Europeans, particularly Indo-Iranians.

    Approximate culture extent c. 3200-2300 BC.It is said to have originated in the middle Volga based Khvalynsk culture and the middle Dnieper based Sredny Stog culture. In its western range, it is succeeded by the Catacomb culture; in the east, by the Poltavka culture and the Srubna culture.

    the Yamna culture in 4th millennium BC EuropeThe Yamna culture is identified with the late Proto-Indo-Europeans in the Kurgan hypothesis of Marija Gimbutas. It is one candidate for the Urheimat (homeland) of the Proto-Indo-European language, along with the preceding Sredny Stog culture. First in Eastern Europe remains of wheeled cart were found in "Storozhova mohyla" kurgan (Dnipropetrovsk, Ukraine, excavated by Trenozhkin O.I) associated with Yamna culture .
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    sisauli, chal ab bhai isi ka hi meaning bata do to? ek hastinapur bhi naam suna hoga?


    I'm pleased and astonished to say that this page has been linked to by British television Channel 4 "Great Excavations". To find similar pages, go here.

    The Kurgan people were an Indo-European culture existing during the fifth, fourth, and third millennia BC; they lived in northern Europe, from Russia across Germany, and various authorities have mounted a case for them being THE proto-Indo-European culture, from which all Indo-European cultures descend. Other researchers think it likely that later-day Kurgans were the "Sea People" who laid waste to the Holy Land around 1200 BC - traveling south along the Mediterranean in ships, with their women following them in wagons along the shore. The word kurgan means barrow or grave in Slavic and Turkic; Kurgan culture is characterized by pit-graves or barrows, a particular method of burial. They are also called the Pit-grave people, or Barrow people.

    The earliest Kurgan sites are in the Ukraine and southern Russia, from which they spread by about 2000 BC to Europe, crossing the Dnieper River. Wherever Kurgan culture spread, it was marked by common elements unlike those of the surrounding Bronze-Age cultures. These are the characteristics of the Kurgan people:

    They practiced animal husbandry; in rubbish dumps at Kurgan hill-forts and villages are found the bones of lots and lots of horses, many cattle, and a few pigs, sheep and goats. Few bones of wild game (such as deer) were found, so Kurgans were not a hunting culture. Horse-heads carved in diorite were found, with harness-marks cut into them to indicate bridles.

    Kurgan horse-herders may have been like the Scythians, who rode geldings only, their main herds being kept wild under stallions, and controlled through the mares which were hobbled near the settlements and milked regularly. Both wild-horse bones and bones of domesticated horses were found in Kurgan sites; modern bone-analysis specialists can apparently tell the difference between the two types.
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    Names of Cities/places/countries after/resembling Jats

    Why not to try over the world!!!
    Ijjesselmeir is a city/place in the County of Jutland in Europe it sounds so similar to Jaiselmer in Rajasthan. Similarly other cities n place there is More(s) comparable with More jats. Arrhus is also a place there.

    See Hungary and Balgaria after Henga and Bal(yan) Jats. Eng(land) Eng/angal jats.

    Capital of Moracco Rabat is similar to Rawat?

    Egypt's capital Cairo and village of Pratap Singh Cairon.

    Purushkhanda in Cappadocia in the west of Caspian sea is similar to Purushpur/Peshawar in Afganistan. Plz see my thread "Roots of Jats in the World"

    India itself is named after Sandhu/Sindhu jats. How? Because they named the Sindhu (Indus) River after them n ultimately due the name of this river Present land came to be called Hindustan by Arabs and India (after Indus river) by greeks.

    See China its ancient name is Yue-chi-um which is pronounced as Guttium is again after Yue-chi (pronounced as Gutti) i.e. Jats.

    Iran is after Aryan and same is Iraq/Irak (Aryak). Flight of afganistan till today is Aryana.

    River Kuru(sh) is there in west of Caspian sea (plz ref my thread "Roots of Jats in the World). and an area called Kaurupedian (like land of Kurus) in the west of Iraq.

    Seoul is capital of Korea. My mother's village is exactly same at Palwal.

    Saw a village of Meenas in Rajasthan "Bonn" similar to Germany's capital.

    Bavaria place in Germany look to be Indian name we have here Bavaria Jats and Thakurs also.

    Perhaps, Rkji told that Tomar is a big town in Portugal or spain.

    Russia resembling Ross/Rose jats.

    See the changing names of Caspian sea. Its known as Dadhi Sagar in old Indian literature meaning the Sea of Dahi(ya) jats. Modern dahestan is near caspian sea. Later when Mand jats were in power it was called (Dahi-Mandod). Later when Virk and Gill jats came in power over there it was known as Gillan sea and also the sea of Varkam hyrcanian. And later when Gujar tribe of Jats (modern Bad-Gujjar jats are found in Palwal) was in power it was called "Bahr-al-Khaz" meaning the sea of Gujjars by the Arabians.

    And if you see the ancient map of Central and West Asia and Europe then almost each and every city/place can be traced to modern Jat clans in India and Pakistan.

    Yes, In india we've forgotten Ballabgarh founded by Raja Balram Singh of Tewatia goth around 1760 AD or so. Chittore was Jittore and Jattore as mentioned by Albaruni. Banswara resembles Bains, Jalore to Jal and Sirohi to Sirohi Jats. Alwar can be compared with a Jat king De-Alwaro near Romania.

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    lets consider Small Jats also now

    There were two Jats. Massa-Getae and Tayssa-Getae meaning big and small Jats. Greek historians classified them so. But with independent proof from Chinese; they too did know them, and Chinese called them Ta-yue-che and Siao-yue-chi. Some historians opine that the small jats were a branch of Jats who migrated through the Kansu province of Western China towards Tibet. And Kanishka the great was from this branch only. the kasuan/kaswan/XWN.

    Now this Tibet, known as trivishtap in rigveda, is named after Tewatia/Tebatiya jats. (Jats in Braj can not pronounce "V" they pronounce it as "B"). And Swami Dayananda who does not find any history in vedas says that "Srishti (human beings) originated from Trivishtap", the highest plateu in the world. Satyarth prakash mentions it.

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    another Kujla Kadphice's

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    mihirkula was the king of Magadh

    Emperor Mihirkula was succeeded at Patliputra by his son, Ajitanjaya, as per Jain chronicles. Thus Toraman, Mihirkula and Ajitanjaya are the Hari(vaishnav), Hara(Shaiv) and Ajit, respectively of...

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    Mihirkula was Jat and not Gujjar

    Plz refer Thakur prasad sharma (suresh) in a book which is a hindi translation of Huensang travels in India. Mihirkula says to the mother of Baladitya of Magadh "A short time ago I was the king of...

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    Sm Great-Great....... grand father of sakas was Jat

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    muttra museum and origin of sakas

    here is a statue of maharaja kanishka without head. he started saka era.

    origin of the scythians is claimed 2 b from one: Targita (tri jata rakshasi of ramayna) or Targitaus; and the swedish...

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    how systematic and how bold it was to conceal Jat's History

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    (10000/25)th jublee celebration of jats, 150 yrs r 2 less, but still a good idea

    in "makers of civilizations", "kephart kelvin" says

    "by 7700 bc they had crossed tien mountains...... n later these getae/getz/jats became the ancestors of the nordic branch of aryans"

    Forum: Jat History January 16th, 2006, 10:54 PM Replies: 29
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    but nahar the tewatia celebrated "sipahi kranti divas" the soldier's day

    many soldiers are having moovies after them like mangal pande. its good n i touch their feet. but this raja is nowhere mentioned in the 1st freedom struggle even in indian history. he was originally...

    Forum: Jat History January 15th, 2006, 09:48 PM Replies: 29
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    raja nahar singh tewatia of ballabgarh

    samrat bahadur shah zafar was gheraod by british forces. the news reached raja nahar. he geraoed the british forces who gheraoed the badshah. britishers were forced to lift their ghera.


    Forum: Jat History January 15th, 2006, 05:49 PM Replies: 73
    Jats : Aryan or Scythian ?
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    all international numerals are arabic numerals n in turn they are indian numerals rather punjabi rather jat numerals taken by arabs from india rather punjab/sindh. Rather arabians called all the...

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    They called him Hercules!!!

    During Porus-Sikander War (Paur/Phaur and Alexander), the Porus army was carrying the flags of Krishna. The greek soldiers were baffled and called him Hercules. They said that these jats are the descendants of Hercules who were left behind in his expeditions.

    Seeing the courage, elephants and this figure, alexanders army got dis-illusioned and retreated back, ladne se mana kar diya. then it were dahiya(s) the Jats, from Alexander army, who attacked the Porus army first.

    His own elephants then retreaded back or unhon ne apni hi sena kuchal di.
    Ambhi of takshshila was already won over, he was tokas(takshak, the naga jat).

    Porus also was bit more confident. He refuted alexander's letter (advising him to accept his suzereinty or face war, a typical dada type letter) and answered that he will better meet him in war only.

    then these two met in war. Alexander was fortunate enough to get an island in river Jhelum. Porus thought that this invader will not be able to croos jhelum in the night.

    Captured Porus was produced in the court where all powers wested with the King. Then he asked Porus now let me know "Veer (brave) Porus u know who You are and who'm I? How should I behave with you?"

    Porus answered "the same reply as earlier before war"

    (plz read my thread "jat n mughal emperor")

    Allexander was so impressed or feared that next again laid jats in India, who are ready to fight, like this stupid fellow, who's still not considering you your superior even at the death bed. He better decided to go back and retreat. but while going back he died of desease or over stress or perhaps porus killed him, god knows.

    because Jat history is hidden.

    Hell, to indian historians, where world worships Jats as devatas, as gods. such blatant examples are not noticed. not even like raja nahar singh. Herodotus became father of history due to jats only. And here its zero absolute zero. Inspite of the best race in their hand they are treating it like a fire ball. Riding a tiger and playing with fire!!!!!!

    here is tb (thakur-brahmin) combination who's eating jats and all other tribes like black hole.

    Next laid another empire of Jats the Nandals of Asthal Bohr, situated at Magadh. Alexander was told, that they are much more fierce. Better go lucky n he (Alexander turned back).

    The young alexander realized the threat.

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    Roots of Jats in entire world

    There are number of Jat gotras which find their roots in different countries of the world in the form of places, towns, cities, Deities, words of languages etc. Following list of Jat gotras with their presence out of India has been prepared from Verifiable sources. This may be expanded or used for further research:

    Asir is a god in Scandinavia.
    Achara or Ajaria (Georgian აჭარა Ačara), officially the Ajarian Autonomous Republic, (also known as Ajara, Adjaria, Adjara, Adzharia and Adzhara) is an autonomous republic of Georgia, in the southwestern corner of the country, bordered by Turkey to the south and the eastern end of the Black Sea.
    Bana may refer to:
    · Banasur, an asura in Hindu mythology
    · Banabhatta, a 7th century Indian writer
    · The village of Bana, Cameroon
    · The village of Bana, Hungary
    · The Bana people of West Africa
    · The Bana (clan) of India
    · The Bana village in Churu, Rajasthan

    The Batar rocket launcher is a weapon developed by the Ezzedeen-al-qassam brigades, the military wing of palestinian militant group Hamas during the Al-Aqsa intifada.
    Bavaria is a place in Germany.
    *There is a province Vardak in name of Burdak in Afghanistan.
    *There is a town Spin-Buldak in Afghanistan.
    *Buldak in Korean language means, “fire-chicken”.
    *Burrak was the name of horse like animal of Prophet Muhammad that carried him to heaven.
    *Burraq is village in Syria.
    *Burjak is a town in Slovenia.
    *Burdock is a plant of Eurasia.
    *Bardock is a character in Dragon Ball game.

    Burr (sometimes anglicized Bor) was the son of Búri and the father of Odin in Norse mythology in Scandinavia.

    Chahal is a municipality in the Guatemalan department of Alta Verapaz.

    Chahar is a province in Mongolia. Chahar is also dialect of this region. Chaharwati is a region in Agra. Chahar is place in Afghanistan.

    Dabas is a town in Hungary (

    There is a Dagur god in Scandinavia.

    Dhaka is capital of Bangladesh.

    Kandahar province of Afghanistan used to be called as Gandhar.

    Godara is also name of a place in Afghanistan.

    · Góra is a town in Poland
    · Gora, region inhabited by Gorani, on the southernmost tip of Serbia
    · Gora is a Slavic word meaning mountain or forest.

    Venezia Giulia is region in the easternmost part of Italy. Most of it was ceded to Yugoslavia after World War II.

    Hanga is name of Odin god in Scandinavia.

    · Kharub is a village in Palestine.
    · Kharub is a city in Tibet, which is of a major historical significance, It is known as Kharub site in Chab – mdo.
    · Kharub is also a small town in Israel

    Kharra is Arabic verb used in Quran meaning to fall down.

    Lamba is an uninhabited island within the Shetland Islands.

    In Roman mythology, the Manes were the souls of deceased love ones.

    · Maan is also a district in Jordan
    · Mann is a Germanic surname

    · Naga is a district in Mie, Japan
    · Naga, Wakayama is a town in that district.
    · The Naga are an ethnic group of people living in Nagaland and Manipur state in the north-eastern part of India.
    · Naga could also mean elephant in Sanskrit or Pali, as in the Naga Sutta.
    · Naga means snake (also refers to a mythical race of snake-people) in Sanskrit and in many languages derived from it.
    · Philippines
    o Naga City, Camarines Sur
    o Naga, Cebu
    o Naga, Zamboanga Sibugay
    · Naga is the Malay word for dragon

    · Nain is a city in Iran,
    · Nain is a village of Central Coast of Labrador in Newfoundland, Canada.

    · In rigveda it is mentioned as Narya (RV VIJI/24/29).
    · A king of this tribe is mentioned as a great donor, son of Nara (1/112/9) 1/54/6.
    · They are to be identified with Nara clan of the Jats, the Nairi of West Asia.[1].
    · The Hyderabad city was earlier named Nehrun Kot after Nehras.

    Punia is a town in Lithuania.

    The word Sunda refers to a kingdom and an ethnic group living in especially the west part of Java. So, in common, any other term containing this word should be related/named after this, historically.

    Takhar is a province in Afghanistan.

    Teotia corresponds to Teuton in

    There is a Thor god in Scandinavia.

    Tokaj is a town in Hungary (

    Tomar is a city in central Portugal, capital of the Médio Tejo (Mid-Tagus river) region. The concelho (municipality) population is about 43,000 inhabitants, 21,000 of which live in the city (2001). The municipality of Tomar is divided in 16 freguesias (parishes): 2 urban (Santa Maria dos Olivais and São João Baptista) and 14 rural.

    There is a Vanir god in Scandinavia.

    There is province of Varkania /Hyrcania in Iran.
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    my worry is this "Purushkhanda" the "Purushpur, Peshwar.."

    Pathans (Sakuni, the Jatt, the brother of Gandhari) are in this area afghanistan since rigvedic times n original name of this country was bactria n b4 that dahya.

    the incident I related is 2300 BC when Indus Valley civilization was at its peak in India.

    Plz let me know the period of Indus Valley Civilization?

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    The Period of Indus Valley Civilization was 3300 BCE–1700 BCE. It was an ancient civilization thriving along the lower Indus River and the Ghaggar-Hakra river in what is now Pakistan and Gujarat (western India). Among other names for this civilization is the Harappan Civilization of the Indus Valley, in reference to its first excavated city of Harappa. According to the Indo-Aryan migration hypothesis, Gujarat and Pakistan were the first settlements for Indo-Aryans.

    The period you are worried does coincide with the above period. The location also tellies. You need do further research to find more details of Purushpur.

    You may see complete article on Indus valley Civilization on the URL
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    Period of Indus valley civilization is older than above mentioned period,it is becoming more and more evident as new sites are being excavated.
    Some articles found at dawarka are dating back to 6000BC

    Excavations done at Bacteriana margiana complex reveal differnt layers of inhabitance.
    The earliest samples correspond to Harppan civilization(jats)
    The later civilization represent two types of cultures for east and west pamirs
    the eastern pamirs corresponding to modern Afaghanistan and population represent indo afghan derived.
    northern pamir representing tajik and ujbekistan revealed a sythian material culture but the anthropological data shows types of turko cacuoid type as present day inhabitants of this area are.

    These datas reveal that jats inhabited these lands and later expanded west wards.
    Later sythians arrived and settelded in northern pamirs,in south eastern parts
    Afghani population lived after the harppan people.

    When these harppan jats migrated towards caspian sea certainly earlier than 7000BC as we notice them in soko's forefathers lands around that period.

    Mahabharata is a very late day we see all Yavanas,Parthas,pahalavas etc.

    Plz shift this topic to history section.

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    History of Peshāwar

    Peshāwar (پیشاور) literally means City on the Frontier in Persian and is known as Pai-khawar in Pashto. It is the provincial capital of Pakistan's North-West Frontier Province. In ancient times the city was known as Purushapura when it was officially founded by the Kushans.

    Peshawar occupies a region that was dominated by various tribal groups of Indo-Iranian origin and a variety of other groups, possibly of Elamo-Dravidian origin, maybe prior to Aryan settlement. The region had links to the Harappan civilization of the Indus river valley and to ancient Afghanistan (before it was called Afghanistan or even Aryana), especially the Kabul valley.

    An ancient city named Pushkalwati, founded by Bharat's son Pushkal, may have existed in this general area during early Indo-Aryan times before their movement past the Indus into India. The city that would become Peshawar, called Purushapura, was actually founded by the Kushans, a Central Asian tribe of Tocharian origin, over 2,000 years ago. Prior to this period the region was affiliated with Gandhara and was invaded and annexed first by the Persian Achaemenid empire and then the Hellenic empire of Alexander the Great. The city passed into the rule of Alexander's successor, Seleucus I Nicator who ceded it to Chandragupta Maurya, the founder of the Maurya empire. Buddhism was introduced into the region at this time and claimed the majority of Peshawar's inhabitants before the coming of Islam.
    The area that Peshawar occupies was then seized by the Greco-Bactrian king Eucratides (c. 170 - c. 159 BCE), and was controlled by a series of Greco-Bactrian kings. It was later held for some time by several Parthian kings, another group of Iranian invaders from Central Asia, the most famous of whom, Gondophares, was still ruling c. 46 CE, and was briefly followed by two or three of his descendants before they were displaced by the first of the "Great Kushans", Kujula Kadphises, around the middle of the 1st century.
    Peshawar formed the eastern capital of the empire of Gandhara under the Kushan king Kanishka I who reigned from at least 127 CE and, perhaps, for a few years prior to this. Peshawar also became a great centre of Buddhist learning.
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    Mehrgarh civilization after Mehria Jats ?

    Mehrgarh was an ancient settlement 7000-3300 BCE in South Asia and is one of the most important sites in archaeology for the study of the earliest neolithic settlements in that region. The remains are located in Balochistan, Pakistan on the Kachi plain near the Bolan Pass, to the west of the Indus River valley and between the present-day cities of Quetta, Kalat and Sibi.

    Mehrgarh is sometimes cited as the earliest known farming settlement in South Asia, based on archaeological excavations from 1974 (Jarrige et al). The earliest evidence of settlement dates from 7000 BCE. It's also cited for the earliest evidence of pottery in South Asia.
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    but Burdak ji, why Sargon-I was not called by Indus valley merchants?

    They were perhaps better than the ones at Purushkhanda in Cappidocia? After all it (Indus) was a merchantile culture in 2300 BC.

    Regarding area you are right from Ganges n Chambal to Indus lay Jats till today and we have to research on them only.

    But you are taking pains and nice work. plz keep it up.

    Area of Modern Jats (roughly) coincides with the ones mentioned at Mahabharat, Indus Valley and ancient Aryan Settlement. Not only that, Delhi or nearby area, continued to be the capital of this south asian continent till today atleast for 5000 years. And by any common sense a Race like Jats in this most important area (unlike Rajasthan of Rajputs) could not be born here just over night.

    I know Kanishka. I'm reviving his name. now he is my son. Kanishka the Tewatia.

    Van Parva of Mahabharata (130/18) mentions Kushans in the north west of Kailash Parvat i.e. north west province of modern china. They are having many (and not 360 villages) in Churu district of Rajasthan. Tonk district is also related to Tokas (Takshak) the naga jats whom Parikshit/Janmejaya vowed to destroy. n hence mahabahrata was related by kagbhushundi.

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    Good,Historians can always use kanishka 1
    and Kanishka II.. ruling somewhere near 2025AD

    Though the centre has withdrawn controversial remarks about sikh leaders and bandha bahadur I DON'T THINK THEY HAVE DONE ANY THING ABOUT JATS.

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