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  1. #181

    Conclusions

    Hi all

    Seeing the thread we can safely agree with the conclusions of Sanjeevm that a majority of us are for yes so we can avoid poll on this.

    Before doing anything we have always to discuss and build an openion as per our panchyati traditions whether a majority of us agree with what we are thinking and as sanjeevm pointed out that absolute aggrement that too in jats is next to impossible.

    After this general openion I would ask Dr Tewatia who started this thread and other respected members how can we try for this goal.....

    I know many of us are in contact with persons who are operating on ground level ,as Tewatia ji knowing Dr foujdar and many Jat Mahasabha leaders can advice them how to go for it.

    I request members to suggest on this aspect.
    Last edited by narenderkharb; October 1st, 2006 at 10:09 AM.

  2. #182
    Hi Narendra,Arun,Mr.Babu and all,

    Yes majority with the reservation of OBC for Jats so we should fight for it
    and here on internet all educated people are participate if u go in common jat who do not use internet so actual percentage of jats u come to know who support reservation for jats, it will be more then 80%,so we should go with majority and minority people in our community who don't want reservation for jats should also support 80% majority in the larger interest of our community.

    After getting reservation for all JATS it is tottaly up to u that u want to fight in OBC's or in General if u don't want reservation u can always fight in general nobody force u to fight in OBC but those common jats who want reservation
    u should support them so they can fight in OBC.

    Think practical
    Let the jats get the reservation after that u talk for Economical add or reservation and try to change the system(which is impossible) and if u will be able to change that no problem jats will be happy they will come out from reservation but till that let them with reservation because lot of people are taking banefit of system then why not Jats

    today news in rajasthan patrika that manav sansathan mantralaya ne UGC se list mangi hain muslim's student(boys/girls) and teachers ki to like IIM and IIT's main OBC ko reservation diya hain anne wale time main muslims ko bhi reservation hoga wo bhi Dharam based not on caste basis otherwise on caste basis already muslims are in reservation in SC/ST/OBC

    to bhai logon System sudharne ki bajay aur kharab hone ja raha hain
    aur pichle 60 sal main ajj jitna kharab hai itna kabhi nahi hua,
    kisi main hain himmat to samne auo aur change karo isko(if u can do)
    warna apne logon ka sath do otherwise hamare logon ko bahut nuksan udhana padega.

    Pet main roti ho,karch karne ko paise aur rahne ko america ya working in MNC in india to koi bhi ideal baten kar sakta hain.

    hamain sab jat bhaiyo ke bare main sochna hain jo mainly villages main rahate hain they are mainly going to affect with reservation or not reservation if u r with community u go to villages ask them they want reservation or not and try to fullfil their desire

    abhi jo system hain(according to history staus reservation) uske hisab se jats are elligible for reservation jat kisan rahen hain aur ajj bhi hain along with yadav's and saini's to agar yadav and saini's can be included in OBC why not JATS,aj jo system hain uske hisab se ye jato ka hak hain jab system change ho jayega tab ki bat tab karenge abhi present ki bat kare to hamen ladkar reservation lena chahiye.
    Last edited by anilchahar; October 1st, 2006 at 12:58 PM.
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    30th Sept. 2006 DENIK BHASKAR

    30th Sept. 2006 DENIK BHASKAR

    NCERT books main JATO ko lutera kahe jane ka mamla sonia ghandi tak pahuncha.
    Akhil bhartiya jat mahashabha ke partinidhimandal and adayax shri Virendra singh ne sonia ghandhi se milkar aisi tippani par rosh wayakt kiya,
    Aur partinidhi mandal main samil Hariyana ikai ke adayax kuldeep gochwal ne jato ko Hariyana main OBC main samil karne ki mang ki jiski shifarish 1.5 dasak pahle hi Gurnam singh ayog ne kar rakhi hain
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    Jato ko OBC main Samil karne ka oppose kiya tha Balram jakhar ne
    Jis neta ko rajasthan ki janta ne itna uppar udaya/palko par bithaya,
    rail mantri/raxya mantri/loksabha adayax tak banaya,
    1998 ke chunao main unhone reservation ka oppose kiya tha uske bad wo 3 se 4 bar chunav lad chuke hain rajasthan se aur har bar har hi hath lagi hain,
    aur ab wo sayad rajasthan se jitne ki soch bhi nahi sakte,
    is ka matlab saf hain aam dehati gramin jat reservation chahta hain

    Agar wo isbar chunav jit jate to surely cabinet minister bante shishram ji ka number nahi aata lekin wo nahi jit paye to congress ne unko MP ka governer ban diya,aur jhakhar shab ko bhi ab samaj aa gaya hoga janta ke bich jakar ab vo chunav nahi jit sakte

    rajya sabha ya party ke dwara diye hue pad aab wo sushobhit karte rahenge

    ajj bhi unke nam se jaipur se chirawa train chalti hain jo unhone apne rail mantri tenure main start ki thi use log ajj bhi jhakhar Express ke nam se jante hain
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  5. #185
    So a begining has already been made.

    That's a good sign.

    As a matter of fact Jats were given their due by implementation of Gurnam Singh Commison report in Haryana that was cancelled by Bhjan lal due to his open apathy for jats.

    This is one step we can take by asking for implementation of Gurnam Singh Commison report along with the inclusion of Jats in OBC at central level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by trueblueindian View Post
    i think most of people here are of same view and that is we should support the idea of jat reservation.
    loosely divided but deadly organised in case of war! Herodotus said it!

    Jats its a message for you. Its a war now!

    Jo Jat apne dum se power me aate the aur PM banate the, pichhle 15 saal se CM tuk hi sochte hain. Just because they can not understand this simple formula.
    Last edited by sktewatia; October 2nd, 2006 at 08:47 AM.

  7. #187
    Quote Originally Posted by anilchahar View Post
    Jato ko OBC main Samil karne ka oppose kiya tha Balram jakhar ne
    Jis neta ko rajasthan ki janta ne itna uppar udaya/palko par bithaya,
    rail mantri/raxya mantri/loksabha adayax tak banaya,
    1998 ke chunao main unhone reservation ka oppose kiya tha uske bad wo 3 se 4 bar chunav lad chuke hain rajasthan se aur har bar har hi hath lagi hain,
    aur ab wo sayad rajasthan se jitne ki soch bhi nahi sakte,
    is ka matlab saf hain aam dehati gramin jat reservation chahta hain

    Agar wo isbar chunav jit jate to surely cabinet minister bante shishram ji ka number nahi aata lekin wo nahi jit paye to congress ne unko MP ka governer ban diya,aur jhakhar shab ko bhi ab samaj aa gaya hoga janta ke bich jakar ab vo chunav nahi jit sakte

    rajya sabha ya party ke dwara diye hue pad aab wo sushobhit karte rahenge

    ajj bhi unke nam se jaipur se chirawa train chalti hain jo unhone apne rail mantri tenure main start ki thi use log ajj bhi jhakhar Express ke nam se jante hain
    Bhai Rajasthan ka jat reservation chahta hain iska matlab yeh nahee hai sara desh chahta hai. Agar hum kabil nahee hai to humhee kabil logo bananee chaiyee na kee kabliyat ko marna chaiye.

    Itna joor app log reservation par de rahe hai agar itna anti reservation par dete to reservation hi nahee hotee. Aap shayad bhul gayee ke Ch. Devilal ne Dahiya gotra ko reserved category me le liya thaa aur iska sabsee pehle virodh Dahiya khaap ne kiya thaa jiske karan unhee unreserved kilya gaya thaa.

    For your knowledge couple of months back Haryana Jat Mahasabha has passed a anti-reservation resolution on opposing the reservation not only for jats but for all the communities.
    We should fight for the right and equal oppurtunity for all and then provide all the amenities for our community to have better competitive edge on others.
    -Virender M.

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    Pitfalls

    Dear Members,

    In a democratic set up, one has to agree to the majority of the people. Here on this forum, I find more people are for reservation for Jats. If the majority of community feels, they should go for it. The news are that Jat leaders have already approached Mrs. Sonia Gandhi requesting her to give reservation to Jats.

    I still maintain that in a long run it is neither going to help the community nor the nation. Today we might just see the benefit to our youth in getting small jobs, but what we are doing is making them dependent on the "Khairat".
    Instead of going for reservation, the better thing would have been to strengthen the anti reservation movement to get rid of this evil once for all.
    Any way good luck to those friends and brothers who want reservations. May God give you prosperity, success and peace.
    Col (Retd) Virendra Tavathia


    "A person should not be judged by the nature of his/her job, but the manner in which he/she does that".

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    Quote Originally Posted by system View Post
    Jat leaders meet Sonia Gandhi
    Hindu, India - 36 minutes ago
    ... These included allowing reservations for Jats at the Central level along the lines of reservation they have been given in Rajasthan. ...


    More...
    Its good if Soniaji does it. Jats have the sway on 56 Lok Sabha seats.

  10. #190
    Some of us are meeting a non Jat MP from Haryana for the same objective we feel that If the demand is supported or raised by Non Jat MPS it will carry much more weight.Let us hope for the best .

    I request all other members who have relations with people who matter to use their influence in this regard.
    Last edited by narenderkharb; October 2nd, 2006 at 10:34 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by narenderkharb View Post
    Some of us are meeting a non Jat MP from Haryana for the same objective we feel that If the demand is supported or raised by Non Jat MPS it will carry much more weight.Let us hope for the best .

    I request all other members who have relations with people who matter to use their influence in this regard.
    Yes Kharb, mujhe bhi lagta hai ki ye ek achchha idea hai. Lekin Jaton ko bhi aage aana chaahiye.
    Last edited by sktewatia; October 3rd, 2006 at 11:34 AM.

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    Thumbs up

    My point of view is clear but as majority thinks that we should go for the reservation and i am always with my jat brothers. Just let me know if i can help my bothers by any means in this issue.

    All the best for our struggle which is just started.


    Kitne bajuu kitne sarr, ginle dushamn dhyan se
    Haare ga woh har baazi, jab khele hum jee jaan se
    It's better to be alone than in a bad company.

  13. #193
    Thanks Vijay

    With such a good political background you will be an asset in our endavours and it's a joint struggle.

    I appreciate your gesture, that is we jats are known to go for collective panchayat decisions.This reminds me again Herodotus...quoted by Tewatia ji.

    loosely divided but deadly organised in case of war!

  14. #194

    Thumbs up jaat backward

    sir,
    here i can say that JAAT are socially backward not economically backward.they have great resources to frow up but they dont have the vision,attitude,etc.in haryana jaats are dominating caste almost 25% are jaats.they are economically sound but still socially backward.they don't prefer to spend money on children education.and look at the sex ratio of haryana it is 861 lowest in the country.this is the clear indication of socially backwardness of a state......and if u want to change the whole scenario......concentrate on child education,not education,but good education must be there.in rajasthan some JAATS are exceptionally sound but many are very poor.the difference in the income of them too much so that state govt.introduce JAATA in OBC in some selected distt ........

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