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  1. #301
    Quote Originally Posted by lrburdak View Post
    For example the word Education is also pronounced as Ejucation. Here D changes to J. Grimm's Law.
    Luxmanji

    You will have to do much better than that!

    Where does Grimm's Law provide for this?

    Try not to bring in English words. PLease provide your proof using words,from Sanskrit or Hindi etc



    Ravi

  2. #302
    aah, what a good discussion, what a genious people ...ravi n burdak... vakt jaise kuchh thum sa gaya hai... djati... amorites in egypt who built monstrous pyramids came from the land djati about 2600 BC.

    djatt pronounced as Djatt, jahan d pe kuchh aisa jor diya jata hai jaise ki ye j ke samaan ho...

    jat versus jart really is gujjar-gurjar variation

    mujhe to yaksh- yudhishthir samvad lag raha hai, geeta gyan lag raha hai,

    the word sounds like the splash of the whip jjjatt

    hindi varn mala me aisa koi shabd nahin tha, kisi indo european bhasha me nahin tha its o...o...mm...

    its different from jis .... jis is just hisss...

    but jats does take the different sound as if dumroo ka d jod diya ho shivji ka jat se pahle...
    Last edited by VirenderNarwal; November 3rd, 2008 at 11:47 PM. Reason: Unnecessarily increasing the toll of posts, single or double lines reply can be done in one post also.

  3. #303
    Quote Originally Posted by ravichaudhary View Post
    Luxmanji

    You will have to do much better than that!

    Where does Grimm's Law provide for this?

    Try not to bring in English words. PLease provide your proof using words,from Sanskrit or Hindi etc



    Ravi
    rre burdakji, ke problem sse....

    lets try words of braj...

    my-moye
    go-gayo....

    try punjabi now


    ekk...

    doo-two
    trae-tri in samskrit- and three in english...

    charr-is difficult to equate with four

    panch-five-phive

    six-sexon-hexon-sindhu-hindu variation...

  4. #304
    saptam-satt-seven... n seven is heaven right from english to india....satvan aasmann, sat phere...

  5. #305
    aath in hindi-uthh in punjabi-eight in english...atwal jats

  6. #306
    nau in braj n pnjabbi.. nauhwar jats mostly designated as chauhans 2day..nine in english...

  7. #307
    duss in pnjabbi means reply means ten in english...dushwal, deshwal, deswal jats....

  8. #308
    bisla an mla from ballabgarh is bees, meaning twenty...

  9. #309
    meham 24 si, 84si, 360... why these number of villages are appearing on the scene? dont u think they are like the clock? why? because jaton ke raj me kabhi suraj nahin doobta tha...

  10. #310
    har bees kos door pe is jat ki bhasha ka grimmes law banta hai burdakji... but the words change according to certain fixed laws....

    like punjab aa ki matra kha jata hai...kaam (work) ko kumm bolta hai Jaat ko jutt bolta hai... etc.

  11. #311
    80, 84...

    99, ninnenveh the capital of assuria..(assyria)... the greatest two digit number....then 100, rawat, sehrawat means 100 rawat, meants sauraut...means lakhan (laxman in sanskritised form.. jats pronounce laxman as lakhan .... ram-lakhan..), then arab, kharab, neel, meel, moti, padm, shankh etc..

    hindu, muslim, sikh, issai... mil ke chalo sub jat bhai...

  12. #312
    as compared to rajpoots where 2-4 gaon ka raja was glorified as rana pratap....jats had mass conversions.... like west of ravi as muslim, then sikh, then arya samaji.... n so on...the jutt, gutt was in millions at least...

  13. #313
    grimme derived his law based on european languages, he had no knowledge of Indian languages...its these languages n numeral system that was taken by arabs n later by europeans from indian jats...

  14. #314

    Question

    Quote Originally Posted by snandal1 View Post
    aah, what a good discussion, what a genious people ...ravi n burdak... vakt jaise kuchh thum sa gaya hai... djati... amorites in egypt who built monstrous pyramids came from the land djati about 2600 BC.

    djatt pronounced as Djatt, jahan d pe kuchh aisa jor diya jata hai jaise ki ye j ke samaan ho...

    jat versus jart really is gujjar-gurjar variation

    mujhe to yaksh- yudhishthir samvad lag raha hai, geeta gyan lag raha hai,

    the word sounds like the splash of the whip jjjatt

    hindi varn mala me aisa koi shabd nahin tha, kisi indo european bhasha me nahin tha its o...o...mm...

    its different from jis .... jis is just hisss...

    but jats does take the different sound as if dumroo ka d jod diya ho shivji ka jat se pahle...

    sir.,with due respect i beg to say ,you are better than ravi and burdak, you are asli genius ,in addition to being an expert historian you are a genius linguist also.aapke dwara jo udgar uper vyakt kiye gayen hai ,unhain padh kar dil shradha se overwhelmed ho gaya hai . apse ek vinati hai rana pratap ko maffi de do,kya pata wo jaat hi ho. aap jaise bade vidwan to chhote longo ke bare main likh kar apni pratibha waste nahi karna chahiye.aap history aur language ke sachin tendulkar hain ,jatland ko char chand lagate rahain

  15. #315
    Quote Originally Posted by ravichaudhary View Post
    Luxmanji

    Try not to bring in English words. PLease provide your proof using words, from Sanskrit or Hindi etc

    Ravi
    Raviji,

    Do you think Sanskrit has nothing common with English? Most of the English words are derived from Sanskrit. Some examples-

    Brother=भ्रातृ
    Mother= मातृ
    Father=पितृ
    Door=द्वार

    Sanskrit is not restricted to Hindi only. It is the mother of many many world languages including english as well as Indian languages. The pre-Classical form of Sanskrit is known as Vedic Sanskrit, with the language of the Rigveda being the oldest and most archaic stage preserved, its oldest core dating back to as early as 1500 BCE,[Macdonell (2004] qualifying Rigvedic Sanskrit as one of the oldest attestation of any Indo-Iranian language, and one of the earliest attested members of the Indo-European language family.[Burrow (2001]

    Since both have commonality and since sanskrit was earlier only a spoken language, shift of sound is possible. Grimm's law explains the shift of sounds.

    But How do you restrict Kalkhandas to Hindi region and Hindi language only?

    If you or any other member have any other evidences may please enumerate.

    Regards,
    Last edited by lrburdak; November 4th, 2008 at 09:33 AM.
    Laxman Burdak

  16. #316

    Pachar Clan in Mahabharata

    The Mahabharata Tribes includes one tribe - Pattachchara (पटच्चर) or Pattachchara (पतच्चर)

    Pattachchara (पटच्चर) is mentioned in Virata Parva (IV.1.9)

    सन्ति रम्या जनपथा बह्व अन्नाः परितः कुरून
    पाञ्चालाश चेथिमत्स्याश च शूरसेनाः पटच्चराः
    दशार्णा नव राष्ट्रं च मल्लाः शाल्व युगंधराः (IV.1.9)

    They are also mentioned in Mahabharata Sabha Parva as a tribe of the south-west, defeated by Sahdeva (II.28.4); they joined Yudhisthira's army (VI.46.47). The Sabha Parva (II.13.25) lists them with the Yadava and Bhoja tribes who fled westwards for fear of Jarasandha.

    सुकुमारं वशे चक्रे सुमित्रं च नराधिपम
    तदैवापरमत्स्यांश च वयजयत स पटच चरान (II.28.4)

    उथीच्यभॊजाश च तदा कुलान्य अष्टा थशाभिभॊ
    जरासंध भयाथ एव परतीचीं थिशम आश्रिताः (II.13.24)

    शूरसेना भद्र कारा बॊधाः शाल्वाः पतच चराः
    सुस्दराश च सुकुट्टाश च कुणिन्थाः कुन्तिभिः सह (II.13.25)


    पटच चरैश च हुण्डैश च राजन पौरवकैस तदा
    निषाथैः सहितश चापि पृष्ठम आसीथ युधिष्ठिरः (VI.46.47)

    The Mahabharata Tribe - Pattachchara (पटच्चर) or Pattachchara (पतच्चर) may be identified with Jat Gotra - Pachar (पचार)

    Let us discuss the meanings of words involved:

    पत - पत्ता, उन्नति के उपरांत होनेवाला ह्रास। विशेषतः ऐसी स्थिति जिसमें वैभव,संपत्ति आदि नष्ट हो चुकी होती है।

    पट - पटकना, किसी व्यक्ति या वस्तु आदि को उठाकर झोंके के साथ पृथ्वी आदि पर गिराना।

    चर वि. [सं.चर्(गमन)+अच्] 1.जो इधर-उधर चलता फिरता हो। जैसे-चर जीव या प्राणी। 2.जो विचरण करता रहता हो। विचरण करनेवाला। जैसे-खेचर, जलचर, निशिचर आदि। 3.जो अपने स्थान से इधर-उधर हटता-बढता रहता हो। जैसे-चर नक्षत्र या राशि। 4.खाने या चरनेवाला। पुं.1.वह व्यक्ति जो राज्य या राष्ट्र की ओर से देश-विदेश की बातों का छिपकर पता लगाने के लिए नियुक्त हो। गूढ़ पुरूष जासूस। 2.वह जो किसी विशिष्ट या कार्य की सिद्धि के लिए कहीं भेजा जाय। दूत। 3.ज्योतिष में देशांतर जिसकी सहायता से दिन-मान निकाला जाता है। 4.खंजन या खँडरिच नाम का पक्षी। 5.कौड़ी। 6.कौड़ियों या पासे से खेला जानेवाला जूँआ। 7.मंगल ग्रह। 9.मेष, वृष, मिथुन, आदि राशियाँ। 10.कीचड़ या दलदल। 11.वह जमीन जो नदी के साथ बहकर आनेवाली मिट्टी जमने से बनी हो। 12.वह गड्ढा जिसमें बरसात का पानी इकट्ठा हो। 13.नदी के बीच में बना हुआ बालू का टापू या मैदान। 14.नदी का किनारा जहाँ पानी कम हो।(लश,.) 15.नाव या जहाज में एक गूढ़े (बाहर की ओर) निकला हुआ आड़ा शहतीर) से दूसरे गूढ़े तक की लंबाई या स्थान। (लश.) 16.वायु। हवा। पुं. [अनु.] कपड़े,कागज आदि के फटने से होनेवाला शब्द।

    More over we also get from meaning 4.खंजन या खँडरिच नाम का पक्षी that how and are interchangable in Hindi. Which also explains the curiosity of Raviji.

    Regards,
    Laxman Burdak

  17. #317
    You are clouding the issue.

    All I have used is one example, of your attempts to transform a J into a D, using your connection of Khalkanja to Khalkhanda.


    As I have pointed out earlier, you are presenting a Jumble of information, without any clear foundations.

    The same for your 'Jarta' Article, which is confusing to say the least, and has 'cut and paste' portions being passed off as original writing.

    This kind of approach,as I have suggested earlier does more harm than good.

    I would suggest again, that less output, but quality output would be vastly preferable.

    Best regards


    Ravi Chaudhary






    Quote Originally Posted by lrburdak View Post
    Raviji,

    Do you think Sanskrit has nothing common with English? Most of the English words are derived from Sanskrit. Some examples-

    Brother=भ्रातृ
    Mother= मातृ
    Father=पितृ
    Door=द्वार

    Sanskrit is not restricted to Hindi only. It is the mother of many many world languages including english as well as Indian languages. The pre-Classical form of Sanskrit is known as Vedic Sanskrit, with the language of the Rigveda being the oldest and most archaic stage preserved, its oldest core dating back to as early as 1500 BCE,[Macdonell (2004] qualifying Rigvedic Sanskrit as one of the oldest attestation of any Indo-Iranian language, and one of the earliest attested members of the Indo-European language family.[Burrow (2001]

    Since both have commonality and since sanskrit was earlier only a spoken language, shift of sound is possible. Grimm's law explains the shift of sounds.

    But How do you restrict Kalkhandas to Hindi region and Hindi language only?

    If you or any other member have any other evidences may please enumerate.

    Regards,

  18. #318
    [QUOTE
    The Mahabharata Tribe - Pattachchara (पटच्चर) or Pattachchara (पतच्चर) may be identified with Jat Gotra - Pachar (पचार)

    Regards,[/QUOTE]

    How are they so identified ?

    You have not provided any reasoning or rationale!

    Please try and see the problems you are creating!


    Ravi

  19. #319
    Quote Originally Posted by lrburdak View Post
    T

    4.खंजन या खँडरिच नाम का पक्षी।


    More over we also get from meaning 4.खंजन या खँडरिच नाम का पक्षी that how and are interchangable in Hindi. Which also explains the curiosity of Raviji.

    Regards,
    \\

    Very interesting.


    Khanjan or Khandrich,

    Are they the two names, very different names, names for the same bird?

    What bird is this?

  20. #320
    Quote Originally Posted by ravichaudhary View Post
    \\

    Very interesting.


    Khanjan or Khandrich,

    Are they the two names, very different names, names for the same bird?

    What bird is this?
    Wagtail bird (English) = चर (Sanskrit) = खंजन या खँडरिच नाम का पक्षी (Hindi)

    Hope it is now clear and shows that in Hindi both D and J are interchangeable.

    So it is proved that Kalkhanda = Kalkhanja

    Surely Mahabharata discusses about a tribe and it is at present found in Jats only.

    Jart is sanskritized form of Jat. Prakrit Jat (जाट) Sanskrit (जट) Arbanized Jat (जत) are same.
    Laxman Burdak

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