Hello Jitu Once again,
I really love and appreciate your zeal for putting pro-reservation argument on this healthy but fierce debate.I know this circular argument will go nowhere else but in to the archives of the site.I really wish that you get success in your endeavours for it but bureaucrates, commission set up for declaring a caste in OBC is not going to work on wishy washy ways. I hope you understand what I mean to convey.My symphathies.Guys! when we talk of OBC, it is crystal clear that its other backward CLASS not CASTE as mostly we are assuming here in haste.Now, coming to some rational points:
1. To prove Jats as in Other Backward Classes, how would you present your case of the Agriculatrist warriors; that they are in severe pathetic scaenario when it comes to being backword.I mean to submit data here.Is there any reliable source which proves economicaly/socialy backwardness except assumptions and hypothesis you or other Jatsabhas or appealing bodys going to make?
Though first requirment is central government/state government set up a commission which again depends upon how firecly this idea can be make in to a consistent agitation to pressurise central/state government which solely works on self set political amibitions.Adding to it govt have just seen the Gujjars agitation, they should be/must be pro-active towards it from Jats of Haryana.
2.Jats, as already established, an ethenic race has a different psychie despite of one's status, education, wealth which works on its ways which we all are aware of.Do you really see any possibility of people uniting under one movement ( reservation for haryana jats).How you guys are going to motivate the real crowd to come on roads.? They have enjoyed and enjoying a respectable status socially since ages ; do you think word reservation n seeing themselves with another OBCs which has always respected them as social leaders in a villages/city will accept it just for the sake of adimission in some govt/govt approved institutions? Its okay as you say there are limited seats in Medical colleges( surely you can omit Engineering scenario now as Haryana has emerged as S/w engineer producing hubs from its institutes).
What do you say abt lakhs of simple BA and other graduates? All Jats crowd from villages do not fight entrance exams for PMT only.If it is only for PMT n higher studies then simple BA/equivalent graduates will not feel discriminated among Jats as well? What abt the employement generation for these poor graduates? I think it will be more wise to train them in english language atleast so that they can earn their livlihood in flourising call centre culture.
3. Would the nature of agitation( its hard to call a movement) be the educational reservation or Govt Jobs too ? This is really a big question.
How it would be saved from being a mere politcal gemmick?
4. Another which has been over looked in this discussion is the prosperity status of the state since last couple of years nationally on the basis Per Capita Income . You can find the data as Haryana being in top 5 performing states. It is very obvious that solely jats didnt bring this status but they have major account in to it.
Would it not be contradictory for the backward commission to look at these reports? I mean economical status as the issue for pro-reservation agitation.
5. Like you said, its about being opprtunistic in the current 'bahati ganga' for Jats in Haryana,.From Bahadurgarh to Loharu, Rewari to Ambala, How this diversity will be united.? I mean to have some sound action plans by seed inducer ex-service men/retired judges and many same minded folks who are currently in exalted state of illusion. Like last time in 1999 they failed to fill up the common questionarrie given by NCBC.( That link [
http://www.hinduonnet.com/thehindu/f...0510109100.htm] still is waiting for you to be cliked in my previous post and kindly go through it).Will they make it sure to be enough wise not to repeat it again( provided govt set it up again)or would wait for any xyz caste to start agitation to mess up the country and citizens and a great shame to nation.
6. Ch Charan Singh proposed this Mandal Commission for reservation of backwardness of the caste.But he was wise to propose it on economic basis.
Is there any such political/intellectual leadership available which is acceptable to all Jats in Haryana?
I tried to be less aggressive this time.I guess you would try to answer above raised question and sidewise will give a reflection over it seriously..I would love to be defeated in this mental-mastrubation debate ( Forgive me Mods for the use of this particular word) and I'm open to be criticised personally anytime, anywhere and by anyone. I'm up for long term cure for the race not for allopathic symptomatic treatment which eventually cause unwanted side effects.( which you have mentioned in your reply to Anil as Aatank, chorri, cheena jhapti). For this my point of view is totally against any kind of reservation to the Jats of Haryana as first step.I found reservation as a whinny mean/tool for weak and insecure castes.Do you consider Jats in Haryana as one?
One poster in another thread( Rajiv ji) raised up the issue of Enterpreneurship here, I would really appreciate if anyone would go through the following threads once and step forward to repeat it.Its quite ironical that I had requested mods to re open these old threads but no one has noticed them seriously yet. I'm being shameless now and pasting those links again.:D
http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=5457
http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=6167
Thanks.