vo kAhte the ki ishwar nirakar hi hai. but rupa and sanatana said that ishwar nirakar bhi hai
khali hi aur bhi ka phark tha
vo kAhte the ki ishwar nirakar hi hai. but rupa and sanatana said that ishwar nirakar bhi hai
khali hi aur bhi ka phark tha
yes Vare seems to be the original name.
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Vaire" is a Jat Gotra, mainly found in Haryana and Bulandshahr district of Western Uttar Pradesh in India. There are several villages of Vaire Jats in Bulandshahr which mainly includes Jagdishpur, Naurangabad, Kanaini, Asroli ka Nagla and other surrounding villages(all in Shikarpur Tehsil). In fact, the ancestors of Vaire Jats in Bulandshahr were inhabitants of Jind district in Haryana. In the beginning of the 19th century, five families of Vaire Jats migrated form Jind to Bulandshahr and settled down in Jagdishpur and adjoining areas. Three of the five families settled in Jagdishpur and Naurangabad.
There are more than 300 villages of Vaire Jats in Jind in Haryana.
Retrieved from "http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vaire"
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Nice Information Dharampal ji .... Neem Haqeem khatrae jaan .... meri gail to wa ban rahi hai apni jat history ke bare mein ....matlab thodi knowledge by reading and just framing views on listen and told ones ... will definatly read about it more instead of going by kahi-suni .... Anil dalal bhai ne kahi thi ki hum kafi jaldi decisive ho jate hein and come up on conclusions .... he is quite right in his quote ...
tte Jiyu bhai ke conclujan kadha is me tte? mhara neta kaunn ho sake hai, jo Jat ke namm pe Jat nne moorkh na banaye, jo us nne upper uthaye, jo dogla na ho, jo amm jatt ki jaroorat ko samjhe. jis nne sara awamm kahe ke han bhai koi dhang ka kam kiya, hann bhai kuchh practical work kiya.
adde nne kaun kis ki naukri lawe sse aur lann kke kitnne pisse lewe sse, sub janne sse.
any race that does not plan its future looses soon its past also.
what is jat culture?
that was to expand instead of shrinking. comparing black hole with stars. star gives you energy. like our sun is an ultimate source of energy. while black hole eats even light.
while still at the dawn of civilization they were yet to expand about 10000 years old, they were yet to give u brothers like rama krishna budha etc. today they are the largest group in the world in the name of indo-european. go by language, civilization, culture, scientific, administration, population, history, social any knowledege..
plz understand it.
they gotized n jitized (catagorized) the major population of world into various surnames, very scientifically.
lets draw conclusions now, otherwise its all waste.
1. Whether we should clap for sidhu that he became the president of World Jat Aryan Foundataion? The vibration here is that he is sikh n not chaudhary does not dis-qualify him from becoming the president. This rather adds weitage to Jats. Their cosmopolitan and worldwide character.
2. World Jat Aryan foundation should concentrate not only on Indian but other Jats also in other counties like Pakistan, Romania etc.
3. It should make all out efforts for Aarakshan of Jats in Haryana, Punjab, UP, Delhi etc. like Sahib Singh Verma did try for Delhi.
with my best wishes
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Pramod jee aap ki saree baat reservation pe hi kyo attakk jatee hai.
we all should work for deservation rather than on reservation.
-Virender M.
Bhai Jitu
I think Jat and Jatt are the same and even marriages happens between them till now, which doesn't happens in muslim or other religion. Even in Jat mahasabha, Karnal I had seen the Jatt sikh participating in every sense.
Thanks
-Virender M.
bhai humm sare jatt bheet te hi takrate rahe hain aur badi badi bheet sare bade bade country aa jat ke khilaf banate rahe hain. chinese wall (the only man made object to be seen from moon with naked eye)/roman wall etc. I trully respect the people who tell their community (like bainsla) how to cross the wall n not how to break your head against the wall.
Dear Gahlaut Sahab,
I have been reading your posts with great interests. What I gather is that the best way to cross these walls is to ask for the reservation.
While that might be the opinion of the majority of community, I personally feel that if you really want to ruin any community just stat giving them some thing for free. In simple village words "Make them Haramkhor". I think need of the hour is two folds. Firstly, oppose the reservation of any nature what other communities have got. How can it be done, frankly, I have no idea at this time. But together we can find out some way. Secondly, utilize community resources, and our strength (hard work that is what we are known for) to bring our less fortunate brothers in to next higher income group.
If as a community, we can bring about the harmony among all jats (jatts and Jatt sikhs included) and become one force under one leader, then it really does not matter who the leader is?
Col (Retd) Virendra Tavathia
"A person should not be judged by the nature of his/her job, but the manner in which he/she does that".
Respecetd Tewatia Sir
Majority of Jats respect your sentiments and true soldiers like attitude Jats are best known for. However, democracy is governed by majority action (vote) and not majority opinion. Majority action (vote) in this direction is in the favour of Aarakshan only. Less than one percent of Haryana/Punjab/UP Jats can not change the mind of 22.5% SC/ST and 70% OBC, Total more than 90% people of the country including Rajasthan Jats.
However, if majority of Jats here feels for reservation here let them do because majority is rarely wrong.
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a nation is geographical boundary inhabited by certain majority of people who feel that they are a nation.
any party in power at centre ruled India just by max. 28-32% votes. So changing the mind of 90% people by less than 1% jats is impossible. Even if we forget vote policy consider the example of judiciary or supreme court which consists of least people from these 90% people and did not depend on their votes. that also ruled that merit is good but at the same time social equality is also the concern of country. to the best of my knowledge these 90% people were not haramkhor it were rather 10% people who were haramkhor and they always manipulated easy govt/non-govt jobs in their favour. whether Bania was not haramkhor who gave Jat of punjab just 100 rupees and extracted 1000 rupees as sood but still Jat always owed him that 100 rupees. whether Rajput of Rajasthan was Haramkhor or Jat over there was haramkhor? when country got freedom how many CMs were brahmins? How? today the biggest state of India is being ruled by reserved category and on its own power and dictates! they always said aarakshan se liya SP/DM aur vote se lenge CM/PM.
We Jats have faced enough hard work and bravery and we should head towards power now. Jaton ko na to kisi brahmin ne Sindh me gulam banaya, na hi use kisi Rajput ne Rajasthan me ghulam banaya aur na hi use kisi baniye ne punjab me gulam banaya; har jagah jat khud be khud ghulam bana; hum jaton ne badi badi baten sikhi lekin chhoti baten hamari samajh me nahin aati hain.
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though he wore the dress of simple farmer only (surajmal), though he was kaptan of whole north india, but he had no parallel in managing civil affairs except for some aasif ali shah?
kuchh aiae kar ke ye itihas hamara jata hai. where enroute to delhi all those sinsinwars had no capacity to conqure delhi without the support of tewatias at palwal/ballabgarh.
but sir there was no majority of brahmins at sindh, there was no majority of rajputs at rajasthan, ultimately, there was no majority of banias in punjab, but jat was a slave over there. why??
whether history is true or not, but this why is true for ever??
bade bade logic samajh jate hain, badi badi veerta dikha jate hain lekin chhoti si bat nahin samajh pate hain.
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On jats reservation we had a debate on the following thread too, where we can find some good reasons why Jats should have reservation.
http://www.jatland.com/forums/showthread.php?t=20340
You are taking it in other sense Tewatia ji, giving reservation in such a populated and competitive world here in india only means to provide more seats to compete. It doesnt mean that you are making them haramkhor. If in haryana we got reservation I bet that more and more youngesters will try hard to clear exams as they will feel to be having space for them too. Jab uneh ye lagega ki seats hein aur thoda paryas karne se baat ban sakti hai to they will try hard to acheive that.
Bhool jao Tewatia ji ki kabhi wo time aaega jab India se reservation hategi haan ye ho sakta hai ki sabhi ko ismein dal diya jae. Jaisa ki Gehlaut ne kaha ki democracy majority se chalti hai aur majority inki hai kyonki vote se CM lete hein aur aarakshan se SDM. What you are saying are too idealistic approaches and dont seems to be practical. Haan we can try for it once getting reservation for jats too . Aap chikya ho aadmi jibe usne issi baat bha sake hein .... aap de-reservation ki baat karo ho er doosari taraf private sector mein reservation ke liye Manmohan singh ji humare mumbai mein khule aam kahe ke aae ... aur us sarke hue arjun singh ne to paon peet liye ... bhala ho companies ke ceos ka jo wo atkae hue hein na to mhare kisse bhi aapne kite 2 number ka dhanda karte pavaen hey ... ke humne compete karan ke liye openings mili aur hum kaam kar gae .... to kya hum HAramkhor hue ... nahi to isi terah se jyada seats milne par koe haramkhor nahi hoga balke jat balak gareeb ka bhi chahe kime bech ke mehanat karni padiyo ...le jyaga baji ne ... jib usne nue dikhega ek seat hein er tun kar sake hai isne ...
We should think of it from the root level itself .... and not by considering ourselves out of it being in good positions now a days ... jo aadmi aisi sthiti mein hein ki yahan unke balkon ko admission na mile aur wo uneh videsho mein bhej dein .... unko yun sochna chahiye ki yahan bache log jinki itni gudadi na hai wo kya karein?
Here I got your point Tewatia ji, but let it expand to muslim jats and bisnois too ... as they are from the same group few centuries back and as mentioned by Dharampal ji the jat sabha was started with all these keeping together.
[Here I got your point Tewatia ji, but let it expand to muslim jats and bisnois too ... as they are from the same group few centuries back and as mentioned by Dharampal ji the jat sabha was started with all these keeping together.[/quote]
aanne koi suggest karyo bhai ji, koi muslim, christien, bisnoi jat nne bhi jo aapne aap nne sachcha jat janne sse
aade nne ekk histary phoramm ppe ek soka norman handye karta. koi us ka address/phadress de sake ke bhai? Kaharabji, Vinod,...?
manne lagye sse ya chhora bhi phit ryhe ga?
I've suggested two christian Jats for office bearers of World Jat Aryan Foundation.
1. Soka Norman
2. Dr. Napoleon Savescu
both from Romania. World Jat people have agreed for them.
bhai ghanni tte samajh aawe koni, per aa jo getu-dacia likhe sse mera bhai aa tte pucca Jat-dahiya sse.
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The Romanian
By Dr.Napoleon Savescu
On the Romanian territory have been discovered impressively beautiful vestiges of Neolithic cultures: it is here that the highly typical civilization of the Geto-Dacians flourished, a kin belonging to the greatest Thracians’ family. The Geto-Dacians arrested the attention of foreign contemporaries under major historical circumstances (in 335 B.C. they fought against the famous Alexander the Great, and about 290 B.C. they were taking as prisoner the latter's successor in Thracia, King Lysimachus). The Helenistic monarchies had been positively influenced by the Geto-Dacians' culture and civilization.
The expansion of the Roman Empire in the Balkan Peninsula , alarming the Geto-Dacians, determined
sometimes in history Jats had to take crucial decisions
like going from kingship to kinship or vice versa
where a few Jat leaders realised that other community members do not so easily leave their beliefs and not susceptible to new changes and circumstances calling for some crucial decisions
Churaman took poison due to such circumstances only.
jub tuk suraj chand rahega Jat apni majority ki land me se hi khatm hota rahega. jaise ki aur kuchh na to punjab me hi gulam ho gaya vo bhi baniyon ka. rajasthan me rajputon ka aur sindh me Brahmanabad ka. aur yadi jaldi hi aarakshan ka mudda aam Jat ki samajh me na aaya, tte manne lage sse aur kuchh time ke bad haryana, punjab, western UP ne bhi log ashcharya ki drishti se dekhenge, aur sochenge ge ukk adde nne bhi kabhi kiti nne Jat rhaya karte!!
aa Churaman ne bada sona chandi kattha kiya. Jattan nne bantware ki aadatt thi. che koi kuchh karyo tte na karyo but all are same. even to the extent that without any knowledge on some subject their views are be found equal acceptance. va Churaman ya janta tha aur vo kuchh chamar parivaron ko apne khazane ki raksha ke liye le aya. baddi gahri gahri khai khodi, aa mitti ka danda banaya, aa me col lake ke gole dhanse the koi awaz bhi ko ni kare the. nue kar ke aa mere bhai ne bharatpur ki sthapna kari.
kuchh issa he Decebal ke gaillan hoyan. Aa Jat udde nne sone nne river bed talle nne chhupaon tte. Decebal dhore ittnna sona tha jitna sare Rome empire kone nahin tha.
Jats played there same tactics, like Churaman in India. Rome thaught that Dacian Getz (Dahiya Jats) were building the roads to support the Roman empire as per their dictates but ultimately found that Jats were building the roads to conquere Roman empire rather!!!
there as Julious Ceaser was murdered and (Jat) Burebista's fate also followed the same way. Va nne Julious ka cousin Pompy patya rakhya tha.
ukk aarakshan jaroori bhi sse aur nahin bhi sse, aa ekk napi tuli si statement denn laagg rhya tha aa cricketer pahlwan, 23 september ne Dharamsala me while addressing himanchali Jats.
I feel that he should have come out openly in favour of aarakshan of Jats.
Last edited by bharti; September 30th, 2007 at 10:40 PM. Reason: 8 posts merged
what is your point?