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    why we need any guru ?

    yesterday i was watching INDIA TV progm abt maharajs and gurus.in that one family want there daughter back from asutosh maharaj. and that girl was saying that her guru told that her family is not right place for her to live.according to her "mere pitaji sharab pite hain wo 1 chor hain meri maa risvat leti hai office me wo bhi chor hai main aise ghar me kaise reh sakti hu jahan sab itne gandde hain "and bla bla. or uske maa baat yaa india tv ko baba yaa mahraj ji se milne nahi diya jata.

    1 quens mere dimag me aaya ki agar main aadhyatmik guru ki baat sochu to kisne aaj tak samaj me bahut acche kaam kiye hain jo ye pravachan kerte hain wo kisi bhi acchi book me mil jatte hain or jo anpadh hain unke liye TV bahut hai or jinke pass paisa nahi hai wo in gurus ke chele bhi nahi ban patte.fir bhi log inke pass kyo jatte hain.

    swami ramdev ki yaa yog gurus ki baat ki jaye to meri samaj me aati hai ki unki vajha se puri dunia me logo ko fayda paunch raha hai per jo aadhyatmik guru hai unka kaa matlab hai koi muje ye samja de.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vivekdh View Post
    yesterday i was watching INDIA TV progm abt maharajs and gurus.in that one family want there daughter back from asutosh maharaj. and that girl was saying that her guru told that her family is not right place for her to live.according to her "mere pitaji sharab pite hain wo 1 chor hain meri maa risvat leti hai office me wo bhi chor hai main aise ghar me kaise reh sakti hu jahan sab itne gandde hain "and bla bla. or uske maa baat yaa india tv ko baba yaa mahraj ji se milne nahi diya jata.

    1 quens mere dimag me aaya ki agar main aadhyatmik guru ki baat sochu to kisne aaj tak samaj me bahut acche kaam kiye hain jo ye pravachan kerte hain wo kisi bhi acchi book me mil jatte hain or jo anpadh hain unke liye TV bahut hai or jinke pass paisa nahi hai wo in gurus ke chele bhi nahi ban patte.fir bhi log inke pass kyo jatte hain.

    swami ramdev ki yaa yog gurus ki baat ki jaye to meri samaj me aati hai ki unki vajha se puri dunia me logo ko fayda paunch raha hai per jo aadhyatmik guru hai unka kaa matlab hai koi muje ye samja de.


    Arre terre yo ke ho gya? Dhhikhe uss BOHAR aale baba dhhorei matt ja bathhiye gyan ka tissaya marta....kadde banna de tannei sulffa pya-2 bawala.Jissa se ussa bi na rehga.Tu ek kaam kar mannei banna le apna GURRU...tnnei kyanhe ka bi ghhatta reh le tei.......aa jya fer mein terri PT kaal tein e shurru kar dyungga arr terri peenddiyan nei sukka dyunga.Hey-2......issa gurru nahin milna tnnei dharti ke koesse bi oodd pe?
    "LIFE TEACHES EVERY ONE IN A NATURAL WAY.NO ONE CAN ESCAPE THIS REALITY"

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    i will be back to this thread... rite nw busy... but will ans u soon but brother come with a neutral mindset

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    naa kaka bohar aale dhore do kade bhi naa jau unke to kisse hi bahut sun rakhe hain. maine to 1-2 be aastha pe suni hai jo ye maharaj bataya kare hain jib samaj naa aayi ki ke nayari baat batave hain ye jo log sab kam chor ke inki seva me lag jaa hain jo sant ho gaya uska to iss duniya darri te to moh hi khatam ho jaa hai fer inko BMW gaddi AC hall kyu chahiye hote hain.

    urr apne guru bana lunga to mera jivan safal ho jaaga je aap tayar ho to . PT to mere pe aaj tai koi PTI nahi kerva paya kyonki main PT band me dhol bajaya kerta tha PT te bachan khatir:D



    Quote Originally Posted by devdahiya View Post
    Arre terre yo ke ho gya? Dhhikhe uss BOHAR aale baba dhhorei matt ja bathhiye gyan ka tissaya marta....kadde banna de tannei sulffa pya-2 bawala.Jissa se ussa bi na rehga.Tu ek kaam kar mannei banna le apna GURRU...tnnei kyanhe ka bi ghhatta reh le tei.......aa jya fer mein terri PT kaal tein e shurru kar dyungga arr terri peenddiyan nei sukka dyunga.Hey-2......issa gurru nahin milna tnnei dharti ke koesse bi oodd pe?

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    Quote Originally Posted by vivekdh View Post
    naa kaka bohar aale dhore do kade bhi naa jau unke to kisse hi bahut sun rakhe hain. maine to 1-2 be aastha pe suni hai jo ye maharaj bataya kare hain jib samaj naa aayi ki ke nayari baat batave hain ye jo log sab kam chor ke inki seva me lag jaa hain jo sant ho gaya uska to iss duniya darri te to moh hi khatam ho jaa hai fer inko BMW gaddi AC hall kyu chahiye hote hain.

    urr apne guru bana lunga to mera jivan safal ho jaaga je aap tayar ho to . PT to mere pe aaj tai koi PTI nahi kerva paya kyonki main PT band me dhol bajaya kerta tha PT te bachan khatir:D


    Chokha tu dhhol bajja diye jib mei nachhungga chhore arr chhoriyan ke byah mein.....mannei tu apna chella maan liya se aaj tein.
    "LIFE TEACHES EVERY ONE IN A NATURAL WAY.NO ONE CAN ESCAPE THIS REALITY"

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    Bhai Vivek,

    Guru bina Gyaan kahin nahi hai ish duniya men!!

    Rock on
    Jit
    .. " Until Lions have their historians, tales of the hunt shall always glorify the hunter! " ..



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    bhai JIT main master ji ki nahi maharaj ji ki baat ker raha hu



    Quote Originally Posted by cooljat View Post
    Bhai Vivek,

    Guru bina Gyaan kahin nahi hai ish duniya men!!

    Rock on
    Jit

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    Quote Originally Posted by vivekdh View Post
    yesterday i was watching INDIA TV progm abt maharajs and gurus.in that one family want there daughter back from asutosh maharaj. and that girl was saying that her guru told that her family is not right place for her to live.according to her "mere pitaji sharab pite hain wo 1 chor hain meri maa risvat leti hai office me wo bhi chor hai main aise ghar me kaise reh sakti hu jahan sab itne gandde hain "and bla bla. or uske maa baat yaa india tv ko baba yaa mahraj ji se milne nahi diya jata.

    1 quens mere dimag me aaya ki agar main aadhyatmik guru ki baat sochu to kisne aaj tak samaj me bahut acche kaam kiye hain jo ye pravachan kerte hain wo kisi bhi acchi book me mil jatte hain or jo anpadh hain unke liye TV bahut hai or jinke pass paisa nahi hai wo in gurus ke chele bhi nahi ban patte.fir bhi log inke pass kyo jatte hain.

    swami ramdev ki yaa yog gurus ki baat ki jaye to meri samaj me aati hai ki unki vajha se puri dunia me logo ko fayda paunch raha hai per jo aadhyatmik guru hai unka kaa matlab hai koi muje ye samja de.
    Bhai Vivek,

    aadhyatmik guru ek bawaal hai n inke paas kuch adhyat hai n wo koi guru
    rammayan, mahabharat, geeta likhne wale likh gaye log unee ke shalo ko
    bolte hai or apni company chalate hai.

    Hamare desh me paise wale log badhte ja rahe hai or paisa imandaaree se ata nahi jo chor hoga use dar bhee lagega....us dar se bachne ke liye log in guruo kee sharan mee jate hai.

    Koi bhee Majdoor ya kissan kya tumne in guro ke paas jate dekha hai?

    AAj Bapu Ashaaram ke aashram kha nahi hai kitne jameen inhone apn kabje me kar rakhee hai jo kee suukh kar banjar ho gayee hai.

    to bhai guru vuru kuch nahi hai n koi aadhaavaad hai.

    netra.....

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    People have confused the term "Vachak" "Acharya" and "Guru".

    Word Guru has been hijacked.

    Anyway we should have an open mind, If you are learning something good from anyone then no harm in it. Take what is good and ignore the rest.

    According to vedic philsophy, one should only accept Acharya / Guru after seeing his/her conduct and knowlegde, normally 1 year period is given to accept someone as a guru.
    "Mine is a peaceful religion, I will kill you if you insult it"

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    iss india TV ne naas tha rakha hai. 2 threads mae te kati media pe mud slinging kara di issne. ib hadde shuru hoga. jatlanders whn will u stop watching this sexed up channel?
    A flask of wine, a book of verse
    And thou beside me, singing in wilderness
    When wilderness is paradise.

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    [quote=vivekdh;149777]yesterday i was watching INDIA TV progm abt maharajs and gurus.in that one family want there daughter back from asutosh maharaj. and that girl was saying that her guru told that her family is not right place for her to live.according to her "mere pitaji sharab pite hain wo 1 chor hain meri maa risvat leti hai office me wo bhi chor hai main aise ghar me kaise reh sakti hu jahan sab itne gandde hain "and bla bla. or uske maa baat yaa india tv ko baba yaa mahraj ji se milne nahi diya jata.

    quote]

    Very thought provoking topic you raised Vivek.. n that too at a right time... when something similar took place at Rohtak PGI Campus wher a lady doctor n her two sons were found in very critical condition (younger son was found dead and the elder one n the mother seriously injured) following a treatment by some TAANTRIK. The exact reasons n what happenned there are still not clear,, as they are nt in a condition to give statement,,, but the clues suggest the involvement of some taantrik. and the reasons discussed are hard to believe.

    Seema its nt just the fault of India TV.... such things do happen in reality. But yea by telecasting such programs they make it more disgusting,,, bt then as well make people aware also of such superstious exercises, which are still prevalent in society.
    Since I read this news, I' m wondering... such kinda highly educated ppl too fell in trap of the gimmics of these so called taantriks, gurus, mahatmas, babas.... or whatever they are called. CAN'T BELIEVE...!!!
    Keep Believing in Yourself and Your Dreams

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    Quote Originally Posted by vivekdh View Post
    1 quens mere dimag me aaya ki agar main aadhyatmik guru ki baat sochu to kisne aaj tak samaj me bahut acche kaam kiye hain jo ye pravachan kerte hain wo kisi bhi acchi book me mil jatte hain or jo anpadh hain unke liye TV bahut hai or jinke pass paisa nahi hai wo in gurus ke chele bhi nahi ban patte.fir bhi log inke pass kyo jatte hain.

    swami ramdev ki yaa yog gurus ki baat ki jaye to meri samaj me aati hai ki unki vajha se puri dunia me logo ko fayda paunch raha hai per jo aadhyatmik guru hai unka kaa matlab hai koi muje ye samja de.
    Viv,

    Not everyone is mentally strong and mentally/emotionally weak cannot solve their own problems, Unhe Saharay ki juroort padati hai.

    India main mental health aur counselling ka funda abhi faila nahin hai.

    In my opinion people go to them for mental and emotional support and then form a bond with them.

    The problem is it is given a spiritual angle hence cannot be regulated and hence get exploited

    Deepak
    "Mine is a peaceful religion, I will kill you if you insult it"

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    Very thought provoking topic you raised Vivek.. n that too at a right time... when something similar took place at Rohtak PGI Campus wher a lady doctor n her two sons were found in very critical condition (younger son was found dead and the elder one n the mother seriously injured) following a treatment by some TAANTRIK. The exact reasons n what happenned there are still not clear,, as they are nt in a condition to give statement,,, but the clues suggest the involvement of some taantrik. and the reasons discussed are hard to believe.


    Yeh toh jahalat ki extereme hai, she has no right to call herself a doctor. I think IMA should revoke her degree.
    "Mine is a peaceful religion, I will kill you if you insult it"

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    Lightbulb

    am sorry bro....actually I didnt read the thread completly!!

    waise ish INDYA TV ka naam badal ke Taantrik TV rakh dena chaiye!! :p


    Rock on
    Jit


    Quote Originally Posted by vivekdh View Post
    bhai JIT main master ji ki nahi maharaj ji ki baat ker raha hu
    .. " Until Lions have their historians, tales of the hunt shall always glorify the hunter! " ..



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    In baba ke lath marwa hoon se............ ppl from our grandfathers generation used to do exactly that. Mhare maa-baap ki generation aale log kati lost ho rahe sain.............. agli baar koi baba dekhe........jor te mariye chutad pe lath - sara gyan bahar aa jyaga uska.
    Most of these babas are sick........they turn out to be rapists, child molesters, politicians pimp etc. etc.
    Just be civil to other ppl and respect their rights in everyday life - most of them will reciprocate...if they dont then try explaining to them your point of view.... if they still dont.... dont associate with them...you will be fine...no need for babas...........dil nahi maanta to jyaada se jyaada Ramdev ka yoga kar le...........uske alawa ghani uski bhi bakwad manne ki jarurat na se.
    Last edited by sidchhikara; October 4th, 2007 at 10:32 PM.

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    Who said our society need gurus/Mahatamas???.......
    We may need genuine gurus who teaches us about life......but surely not any dhongee Mahatamas....
    And If one do not find enough sources for spiritual growth except for so called Mahatama ji...then just concentrate and absorb only and only the lessons if you find them worth after weighing them......no matter from where they come.......
    But there is no point having blind faith in the person who is preaching the lessons.....For me dts nothing more than a voice...

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    Yahan America mein bhi babas ki kami nahin hai........most church preachers/ priests are also babas...........farak itna hai..yeh angreji bole sai aur suit tie lagate hai................... yeh bhi child molestation mein kami nahin karte....aur faaltu bakwad karna inka kaam hai.

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    we need a guru that is a pooran guru for salvation

    guru gobind dono khare, kaake laagu paaye/
    balihaari guru aapne, gobind diyo milaye//
    - sant KABIR

    there are many gurus and babas in our spiritually rich country.i think we should all select a master very carefully ,,and only when we are sure that he is the true one,we should submit out soul to him.
    i wud also like to say that we should avoid saying something against the gurus,,no matter what people say.....sikh gurus were hated and disrespected by the ppl of their times...look in history ,worldly fake leaders of RELIGION never let saints be at peace as they exposed their falsehood..EXAMPLES--> sikh gurus, jesus christ, krishna to some extent, baba bulle shah, sufi saints like sarmad, and many malangs of sufi sect from afghanistan..sad but true,,that all of them faced hatred.
    and im a firm believer that as a mother teach her child to walk and guides him with a loving yet firm supporting hand,, a guru teaches the desciple to walk the sphere of spirituality.
    GOD realization is possible only through self-realization which in turn is impossible without a guru in KALYUG
    Last edited by amanjaat; October 5th, 2007 at 06:55 AM.

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    bhai aman how we can see the truth sometime when we see the truth its too late. khabi khabi bahut kuch kho chuke hote hain log tab jaa ke pata chalta hai sach ke bare me or wohi log fir example bante hain samaj ke liye aise bahut se example or bahut se log example banane ki tayari me ass pass mil jate hain.har insaan ke 2 pahlu hote hain 1 accha 1 bura. koi bhi insaan iss duniya me aisa nahi hua jise sab log accha kahe. Ravan ke pujari bhi mil jaynge or Ram ko galiyan dene wale bhi.

    to fir se 1 quen uthta hai ki kaise socha jaye ki jise guru banana hai wo 1 saccha insaan hai.



    Quote Originally Posted by amanjaat View Post
    .i think we should all select a master very carefully ,,and only when we are sure that he is the true one,we should submit out soul to him.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vivekdh View Post
    bhai aman how we can see the truth sometime when we see the truth its too late. khabi khabi bahut kuch kho chuke hote hain log tab jaa ke pata chalta hai sach ke bare me or wohi log fir example bante hain samaj ke liye aise bahut se example or bahut se log example banane ki tayari me ass pass mil jate hain.har insaan ke 2 pahlu hote hain 1 accha 1 bura. koi bhi insaan iss duniya me aisa nahi hua jise sab log accha kahe. Ravan ke pujari bhi mil jaynge or Ram ko galiyan dene wale bhi.

    to fir se 1 quen uthta hai ki kaise socha jaye ki jise guru banana hai wo 1 saccha insaan hai.


    Pehli baat te mannei terre tein keh raakhi se akk TU MANNEI GURRU BANNA LE....MERRE MEIN WEI SARRE GUUN SEIN JO EK GURRU MEIN HON SEIN ARR MEIN SACHCHAI PE CHALLANNIYA BI SUUN....ARR FER BI PETTE NA BHARTA TE MERRI AGNI PREEKSHA LE LE.Iss temm pe tu apnni-2 soch...bakki appne Gurru aap dhhundhh leingge.TU KYUN BOOMBBALLYAN PE GEHTTA JODD RHYA SEI BERRI.....TNNEI MERRE TEIN KAAMMAL GURRU NA PAWEI.


    I will also tell you as to why a gurru is needed:[On a serious note now]


    Gurru kon hotta hei?.....Gurru tajjurbbe vala,Sangharsh kar chuka,takleeff uthha chuka,duniya-daari ki samajh rakhne wala ek SACHCHA insaan hota hei jo swaarth ka tyag kar apni sangatt mein aaye insaanon ka theek marg darshan karta hei.

    Ye kaisse pehchanein ki gurru sahi bhi hei ya nahin: Uski reputation dekh kar,apne tajjurbe se,uske karmmon ko dekh kar..aaddi-2.Aissa koe fool proof formula nahin hei ki battan dabaya aur neeyat ka patta lag gaya.

    Gurru ki kya jarrurat: Apne anddar uthh rahe SAHI veecharron ko gurru strength deta hei aur anddar uthhte rakshashi/tamshik vicharon ko apne parwachan se shareer se nikalta hei.kehne ka matlab ye hei ki wo aissa marg darshna karta hei jo aapko mehnat kash,sachcha,bahaduur,nisthhavaan aur nirbhay banna kar aapki jindaggi ko saffal bannane ki aur pryatan karta hei.
    Last edited by devdahiya; October 5th, 2007 at 11:35 AM.
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