~~ A handshake with our culture

[shweta123]

Every country has some ethnicity and traditions of its own. And these articulate a lot about the soul of that country, to put it simply, the cultures prevalent speak about the personality, living approaches, and perceptions etc of the people at large. We are known on the face of this world as people with affluent cultural heritage. Lets talk something about it, about the underlying concepts on which its roots rest, about the positive and negative aspects of them, about their origin, their importance and the likes. To start with, if we track these happenings as per the life cycle of an individual, then when a child is born, there happens to be “Kua-Poojan” in case of birth of a male child, many a gifts are exchanged and people from the new mother’s side bring some hefty gifts. There are many small ceremonies or just practices which are adhered to at the time of new births. Can anyone please tell us about the origin of such poojas, its significance and any such information?

[dkumars]

DND ji kahan ho aap ??? Thread bula raha haiiiiii .

Gud thread Shweta ... its gud to know about such customs and tradition. chalo aapke iss thread ke bahane kuch toh naya mil jaayega sunn ne ko

[mukeshkumar007]

To start with, if we track these happenings as per the life cycle of an individual, then when a child is born, there happens to be “Kua-Poojan” in case of birth of a male child, many a gifts are exchanged and people from the new mother’s side bring some hefty gifts.

kua poojan ka to dhyan nai lakin jaise hi choora hota tha to Thali jaroor bajai jati thi jor jor se.. aur ab bhi bajai jati hai shyed... bera paat jyata tha ki ladka huwa hai...

ib kye concept tha iske peeche iska to bera hi na

[shweta123]

kua poojan ka to dhyan nai lakin jaise hi choora hota tha to Thali jaroor bajai jati thi jor jor se.. aur ab bhi bajai jati hai shyed... bera paat jyata tha ki ladka huwa hai...

ib kye concept tha iske peeche iska to bera hi na

Acha tumko dhyan nahi ki tumhaare liye aisa kuch hua tha! Hotaa hai aksar ki jab hum 1 mahine ke hote hain tab ki baate yaad nahi rehti !! Waise ye prathaa maine to nahi suni...... Chaliye aapko ye nibandh to samajh aayaa...

[mukeshkumar007]

Chaliye aapko ye nibandh to samajh aayaa...

sab ms-word ki mehrbani hai wesye apko dhyan ho to keybord maie ENTER ka bi button aya kare hai, usko bi thoda thoda use kar liya karo..

[shweta123]

sab ms-word ki mehrbani hai wesye apko dhyan ho to keybord maie ENTER ka bi button aya kare hai, usko bi thoda thoda use kar liya karo..

I have some browsing problems here, so I cant write paras neither m able to use colors nowadays !! U should have notived this!

[satbirsingh]

I have some browsing problems here, so I cant write paras neither m able to use colors nowadays !! U should have notived this!

Thread to theek hee hai .........lakin ab is barey me batawe kone ?

[shweta123]

Thread to theek hee hai .........lakin ab is barey me batawe kone ?

Kaafi bade avam atayant vidwaan log hain yaha...... intezaar ka fal meetha hota hai.... ek baar wo aa gaye to kai nayi jaankaariyan milengi....

[dkumars]

sab ms-word ki mehrbani hai wesye apko dhyan ho to keybord maie ENTER ka bi button aya kare hai, usko bi thoda thoda use kar liya karo..

wesye apko dhyan ho to keybord maie ENTER ka bi button aya kare hai, usko bi thoda thoda use kar liya karo.. ... bahut sahi kaha dost ... mere muh ki baat cheen li

[vikasgulia]

I have some browsing problems here, so I cant write paras neither m able to use colors nowadays !! U should have notived this!

अगर किसी कविता का मतलब न समझ आए तो वैसे भी कहा जाता है कि

"कवि जी तो कोरस में गाते हैं, अगर सबही को समझ आ जावे तो कवि काहे का"

कुछ ऐसा ही प्रारूप है श्वेता के निबंधों का :D:D:p

[dndeswal]

DND ji kahan ho aap ??? Thread bula raha haiiiiii .

Gud thread Shweta ... its gud to know about such customs and tradition. chalo aapke iss thread ke bahane kuch toh naya mil jaayega sunn ne ko

हां, थ्रैड तो अच्छी है देवेन्द्र । इसमें तो बहुत कुछ लिखा जा सकता है, "कल्चर" तो अपने आप में बहुत बड़ा विषय है । पर इतने सारे सवालों का जवाब एक जगह मुश्किल है ।

"पूजा" क्या है और "अपूजा" क्या है, यह जानने के लिए जाटलैंड wiki का यह पेज देखिये और उसके बाद "आर्य्योद्देश्यरत्नमाला" को क्लिक कीजिये :

http://www.jatland.com/home/Arya_Samaj_Literature

पूजा - जो ज्ञानादि गुणवाले का यथायोग्य सत्कार करना है, उसको 'पूजा' कहते हैं ।

अपूजा - जो ज्ञानादि गुण रहित जड़ पदार्थ का और जो सत्कार के योग्य नहीं है उसका जो सत्कार करना है वह 'अपूजा' कहाती है ।

इसका मतलब यह हुआ कि जिसे आप "पूजा" कह रहे हो, वह वैदिक हिसाब से "अपूजा" है । पत्थर पूजना, कुंआ पूजना या किसी किताब को पूजना (जैसे गुरुद्वारे में होता है) - ये सारी प्रथायें अज्ञान के कारण उपजी हैं और अन्धाधुंध हम इनको मानते आये हैं । बस, इतना ही बहुत है ।

हां, हरेक प्रथा की शुरुआत का कोई कारण तो होता है, जैसे हरेक कहावत के पीछे भी कोई कहानी छुपी होती है । जब हम कहते हैं "जिसकी लाठी उसकी भैंस", तो इसके पीछे भी एक कहानी छुपी है । आप में से किसी को इस कहावत का उदगम पता हो तो बताओ, नहीं तो मैं बता दूंगा ।
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[rkumar]

[QUOTE=shwetadhaka;159653........... To start with, if we track these happenings as per the life cycle of an individual, then when a child is born, there happens to be “Kua-Poojan” in case of birth of a male child, many a gifts are exchanged and people from the new mother’s side bring some hefty gifts. ............?[/QUOTE]

Water wells are considered pious not only in India, but in Europe also. One will find lots of coins dropped in wells in Scotland and Ireland. Europeans think that this tradtion came there from India. There might be some truth in this statement as there aqre common Jat surnames in Ireland. Here is some write up i got on water well worship in Ireland and other parts of UK;
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WELL-WORSHIP
THAT so wet a country as Ireland should have so great a reverence for wells, is an evidence how early the primitive and composite races there came under the moral influence of oriental visitors and rulers, who had known in their native lands the want of rain, the value of wells. So deep was this respect, that by some the Irish were known as the People of Wells.In remote ages and realms, worship has been celebrated at fountains or wells. R="DarkSlateBlue"]They were dedicated to Soim in India. Sopar-soma was the fountain of knowledge. Oracles were delivered there. But there were Cursing as well as Blessing wells.[/COLOR] Wells were feminine, and the feminine principle was the object of adoration there, though the specific form thereof changed with the times and the faith. In Christian lands they were dedicated, naturally enough, to the Virgin Mary. It is, however, odd to find a change adopted in some instances after the Reformation. Thus, according to a clerical writer in the Graphic, 1875, a noted Derbyshire well had its annual festival on Ascension Day, when the place was adorned with crosses, poles, and arches. All was religiously done in honour of the Trinity, the vicar presiding. Catholic localities still prefer to decorate holy wells on our Lady's Assumption Day.
It was in vain that the Early Church, the Medieval Church, and even the Protestant Church, sought to put down well-worship, the inheritance of extreme antiquity. Strenuous efforts were made by Councils. That of Rouen in the seventh century declared that offerings made, there in the form of flowers, branches, rags, &c., were sacrifices to the devil. Charlemagne issued in 789 his decree against it--as did our Edgar and Canute.
As Scotland caught the infection by contact with Ireland, it was needful for the Presbyterian Church to restrain the folly. This was done by the Presbytery of Dingwall in 1656, though even worse practices were then condemned; as, the adoration of stones, the pouring of milk on hills, and the sacrifice of bulls. In 1628 the Assembly, prohibiting visits to Christ's well at Falkirk on May mornings, got a law passed sentencing offenders to a fine of twenty pounds Scot, and the exhibition in sackcloth for three Sundays in church. Another act put the offenders in prison for a week on bread and water. Mahomet even could not hinder the sanctity attached to the well Zamzam at Mecca. More ancient still was holy Beersheba, the seven wells.
Wales, especially North Wales, so long and intimately associated with Ireland, had many holy wells, as St Thecla's at Llandegla, and St Winifrede's of Flintshire Holywell. St Madron's well was useful in testing the loyalty of lovers. St. Breward's well cured bad eyes, and received offerings in cash and pins. St Cleer's was good for nervous ailments, and benefited the insane. The Druid magician Tregeagle is said still to haunt Dozmare Pool. Henwen is the Old Lady Well. The Hindoo Vedas proclaim that "all healing power is in the waters" Hydromancy, or divination by the appearance of water in a well, is cherished to the present time. One Christian prayer runs thus:--
"'Water, water, tell me truly,
Is the man that I love duly,
On the earth, or under the sod,
Sick or well--in the name of God."
Irish wells have been re-baptized, and therefore retain their sanctity. A stout resistance to their claims seems to have been made awhile by the early missionaries, since Columba exorcised a demon from a well possessed by it. They all, however, liked to resort to wells for their preaching stations. In one of the Lives of St. Patrick, it is related that "he preached at a fountain (well) which the Druids worshipped as a God."
Milligan assures us, "The Celtic tribes, starting from hot countries, where wells were always of the utmost value, still continued that reverence for them which had been handed down in their traditions." This opinion may be controverted by ethnologists. But Croker correctly declares that even now in Ireland, "near these wells little altars or shrines are frequently constructed, often in the rudest manner, and kneeling before them, the Irish peasant is seen offering up his prayers."
It is not a little singular that these unconfined Irish churches should be in contiguity with Holy Oaks or Holy Stones. Prof. Harttung, in his Paper before the Historical Society, remarked of the Irish--"They have from time immemorial been inclined to superstition." He even believed in their ancient practice of human sacrifices. Pilgrimages to wells are frequent to this day. The times are fixed for them; as the first of February, in honour of Tober Brigid, or St. Bridget's well, of Sligo. The bushes are draped with offerings, and the procession must move round as the sun moves, like the heathen did at the same spot so long ago. At Tober Choneill, or St. Connell's well, the correct thing is to kneel, then wish for a favour, drink the water in silence, and quietly retire, never telling the wish, if desiring its fulfilment.
Unfortunately, these pilgrimages--often to wild localities--are attended with characteristic devotion to whisky and free fights. At the Holy Well, Tibber, or Tober, Quan, the water is first soberly drunk on the knees. But when the whisky, in due course, follows, the talking, Singing, laughing, and love-making may be succeeded by a liberal use of the blackthorn.
In the story of the Well of Kilmore is an allusion to mystical fishes. An old writer says, "They do call the said fishes Easa Seant, that is to say, holie fishes." In the charming poem of Diarmuid, there is an account of the Knight of the Fountain, and the sacred silver cup from which the pilgrim drank.
Giraldus, the Welsh Seer, beheld a man washing part of his head in the pool at the top of Slieve Gullion, in Ireland, when the part immediately turned grey, the hair having, been black before. The opposite effect would be a virtue. Prof. Robertson Smith, while admitting Well-worship as occurring with the most primitive of peoples, finds it connected with agriculture, when the aborigines had no better, knowledge of a God. The source of a spring, said he, "is honoured as a Divine Being, I had almost said a divine animal." "Such springs," remarks Rhys, "have in later times been treated as Holy Wells."
River-worship, as is well known, has been nearly universal among rude peoples, and human sacrifices not uncommonly followed. The river god of Esthonia some times appeared to the villagers as a little man with blue and-white stockings. Streams, like wells, are under care of local deities. Even our river Severn was ado in the time of the Roman occupation, as we know by Latin inscriptions.
Wells varied in curative powers. St. Tegla's was good for epilepsy. Rickety children benefit from a thrice dipping. Some, by the motion of the waters when something is thrown in, will indicate the coming direction wind. Some will cure blindness, like that at Rathlogan while others will cause it, except to some favoured mortals.
Offerings must be made to the spirit in charge of well, and to the priestess acting as guardian. If in any, way connected with the person, so much the better. A piece of a garment, money touched by the hand, or even
a pin from clothes, is sufficient. Pins should be dropped on a Saint's day, if good luck be sought. As Henderson's Folklore remarks, "The country girls imagine that the well is in charge of a fairy, or spirit, who must be propitiated by some offering." Some well-spirits, as Peg O'Nell of the Ribble, can be more than mischievous. Besides the dropping of metal, or the slaughter of fowls, a cure requires perambulation, sunwise, three times round the well. On Saints' day wells are often dressed with flowers.
Otway has asserted that "no religious place in Ireland can be without a holy well." But Irish wells are not the only ones favoured with presents of pins and rags, for Scotland, as well as Cornwall and other parts of England, retain the custom. Mason names some rag-wells:---Ardclines of Antrim, Erregall-Keroge of Tyrone, Dungiven, St. Bartholomew of Waterford, St. Brigid of Sligo.....
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RK^2

[rkumar]

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The spirits of the wells may appear as frogs or fish. Gomme, who has written so well on this subject, refers to a couple of trout, from time immemorial, in the Tober or well Kieran, Meath. Of two enchanted trout in the Galway Pigeon Hole, one was captured. As it immediately got free from the magic, turning into a beautiful young lady, the fisher, in fright, pitched it back into the well. Other trout-protected wells are recorded. Salmon and eels look after Tober Monachan, the Kerry well of Ballymorereigh. Two black fish take care of Kilmore well. That at Kirkmichael of Banff has only a fly in charge.

"The point of the legend is," writes Robertson Smith, "that the sacred source is either inhabited by a demoniac being, or imbued with demoniac life." It is useful, in the event of a storm near the coast, to let off the water from a well into the sea. This draining off was the practice of the Islanders of Inn is Murray. The Arran Islanders derive much comfort from casting into wells flint-heads used by their forefathers in war. Innis Rea has a holy well near the Atlantic.
What was the age of Well-worship? The President of the Folklore Society, who deems the original worshippers Non-Aryan, i.e. before Celts came to Ireland, identifies the custom with the erection of stone circles. The scientific anthropologist, General Pitt-Rivers, tells us, "It is impossible to believe that so singular a custom as this, invariably associated with cairns, megalithic monuments, holy wells, or some such early Pagan institutions, could have arisen independently in all these countries."
Enough has been said to show, as Wood-Martin observes, that "Water-worship, recommended by Seneca, tolerated by the Church in times of yore, is a cult not yet gone out." But one has written, "The printer's blanket somehow smothers miracles, and small pica plays the very mischief with sanctified wells."
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There are loads of interesting articles on water. Here is an interesting link where almost all aspects of water, including worshiping are covered;

http://www.iwha.net/abstracts/abstracts_b.htm

RK^2

[mukeshkumar007]

[jitendershooda]

kua poojan ka to dhyan nai lakin jaise hi choora hota tha to Thali jaroor bajai jati thi jor jor se.. aur ab bhi bajai jati hai shyed... bera paat jyata tha ki ladka huwa hai...

ib kye concept tha iske peeche iska to bera hi na

Indeed a nice thread by Shweta.

Mukesh bhai perhaps this tradition was followed to make the child fearless. Chotta balak BIDHKYA kare bachpan mein ... kyun wo itne shant vatavaran te likad ke jib is dharti pe aave to terah terah ki aawjein sunta hai aur kuchek pe wo ek dum se dar jata hai .... to remove that dar from him Thalli was used .... Eeb chori hove jib konya bajai jati ... jaisa ki kae threads mein Dr. Ranbir Dahiya ji ne point out kiya hai .... may be they wish girls to be a bit fearfull that's why. Ek be ek chori dekhi kise ne apne chore tahi ... pache bera pattya ek chori ne saamp mar diya tha ... to hude taal kar di uneh ... sirf nue ek chori itne karde jee na honi chahiye ...

For the Kuan Poojan .... perhaps RK sir have better explained it.

Ek aur .... BAAG Pakdai .... jib chora ghudchadi pe jaan khatir ghodi pe baithe to uska Jeeja pakadya kare Ghodi ki Baag ne .... wo nue batan ne us tahi ek dekhe tun kise ki chori ne chalya se byan ... er thari chori mere dhore se .... sambhal ke raakhiye ... na to jo tun us gail kar sake hai wohe barteva mein kar sakun sun ... means this is to make the boy feel of his responsibilities towards the wife, who is also a girl of some one like his sister.

Koe truti rahe gae ho te bhaiyo sudhar diyo ...

[shweta123]

Indeed a nice thread by Shweta.

Mukesh bhai perhaps this tradition was followed to make the child fearless. Chotta balak BIDHKYA kare bachpan mein ... kyun wo itne shant vatavaran te likad ke jib is dharti pe aave to terah terah ki aawjein sunta hai aur kuchek pe wo ek dum se dar jata hai .... to remove that dar from him Thalli was used .... Eeb chori hove jib konya bajai jati ... jaisa ki kae threads mein Dr. Ranbir Dahiya ji ne point out kiya hai .... may be they wish girls to be a bit fearfull that's why. Ek be ek chori dekhi kise ne apne chore tahi ... pache bera pattya ek chori ne saamp mar diya tha ... to hude taal kar di uneh ... sirf nue ek chori itne karde jee na honi chahiye ...

For the Kuan Poojan .... perhaps RK sir have better explained it.

Ek aur .... BAAG Pakdai .... jib chora ghudchadi pe jaan khatir ghodi pe baithe to uska Jeeja pakadya kare Ghodi ki Baag ne .... wo nue batan ne us tahi ek dekhe tun kise ki chori ne chalya se byan ... er thari chori mere dhore se .... sambhal ke raakhiye ... na to jo tun us gail kar sake hai wohe barteva mein kar sakun sun ... means this is to make the boy feel of his responsibilities towards the wife, who is also a girl of some one like his sister.

Koe truti rahe gae ho te bhaiyo sudhar diyo ...

Thanks Jitendra ji, DND Sir and RK Sir for all these info ! Well, I tried starting from the practices etc followed from the time when a child is born, now coming to what you said, marriages in India are a huge packet of so many ceremonies, customs etc being practised like the one you mentioned ! 'Bhaat', 'dulhe ki aankh me kaajal daalna', 'baan lagna', 'devta pujan' and many more that I dont even have idea of and dont know where from these traditions must have come from !

[shweta123]

Just came crossways a group of people consisting of 2-3 boys and 3-4 girls sitting in open in premises of a commercial complex with cigarettes in one hand and sipping liquor direct from the bottle with the other hand. I wondered if anyone would have asked them do they think what they are doing is correct, then they must have said something like “Its my life, what have you to do with that!”, or “Let me fall into the well dammed, none of your business” – such has become the face of today’s youth, if not all, yet many. These girls must have thought they are shouldering men with equality in all terms, and these boys must be feeling good to have girls participating in their drinking ceremony. Drinking beer is good or not is subjective, and so is collective open display of such acts, but students not even out of college doing such things was never a part of our culture, then what has gone wrong that we see today’s youth attracted to such fatal luxuries, unbeatable style quotient, a maddening spree to look modern and trendy

[mukeshkumar007]

'Bhaat', 'dulhe ki aankh me kaajal daalna', 'baan lagna', 'devta pujan' and many more that I dont even have idea of and dont know where from these traditions must have come from !

Bhaat to pher bi acha concept hai lakin.. yeh baki ke jitne bi tradition hai shadi ke sare hi ajeeb lagte hai mujhe to jaise..aankh me kaajal daalna, piti maslna, baan, banora-banori nikalna, devta pujan...kabi nai samaj paya ki yeh sab kyo karte hai faltu maie....

Shadi ke din jab dulha ya dulhan taiyar ho jate hai to weha se uska MAMA usko good maie madap tak utha ke lata hai...hadh hi hogi...20-22 saal ki building ko good maie utana bi ajeeb hi hai...

ek baar gaam maie ek shadi thi..to dulhan kuch health thi aur bechara MAMA mara huwa sa.. ab jaise hi good mie uthan ke chala...do kadam chalte hi dhadam se gira sath maie dulhan bi... :D hans hans ke paith phat ga tha.. :D:D

shaadi ke riwajo maie sabse jyada gussa mujhe pandit par ata hai..khali pili maie 1 ghante tak dhuwa ke samne baitaye pakata rehta hai.. kabi idhar chwal dhalo kabi udhar dhoob se pani ke chante do... kabi idhar paanch rupiye rakho to kabi udhar..

[ranjitjat]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_customs_of_Jats
Har samaj ky kuch riti rivaj- customs- parampara hoti hae.
usi ko culture kahte han.
Chhati manana-6 Deen
10 Deen ky vad Havan hota hae
Jacha-Bacha Bahar Nikalte han
30 Deen ky vad Kuwa Puja jata hae
Geet- Sangeet har utsav ka main part hae.
Jatoo ky har gaon mae-
ya jab naya gaon basaya jata hae.
Jathhera banaya jata hae.
Gaon ky Dewata- KulDewata
Shivji- Bharoon- Bhayan ki ak mandhi
ya Shivji ka siwala har Gaon mae hota hae.
Kuan pujana- KULDewata ki Puja hoti hae.

Jab -Bacha pada hota hae- Maa ky pihar mae Bheli
bhejate han. Pihar sy chhuchak ata hae.
Naye teel pahar kar maa- pani lane kuye per jati hae
Mera Pila Rangade ho-----
Mae tao Holar jamugi------
Terae hone mae badi dukh paye lalana---
adi-adi geet gati han
Peela- Basanant ka partik hae.
Basant panchmi- Jatoo ka tuhar hae.
Sabhi jat-Jatni- Pila bastar-Pagdi pahan kar
Basant panchami manaty rahe han

[shweta123]

Bhaat to pher bi acha concept hai lakin.. yeh baki ke jitne bi tradition hai shadi ke sare hi ajeeb lagte hai mujhe to jaise..aankh me kaajal daalna, piti maslna, baan, banora-banori nikalna, devta pujan...kabi nai samaj paya ki yeh sab kyo karte hai faltu maie....

Shadi ke din jab dulha ya dulhan taiyar ho jate hai to weha se uska MAMA usko good maie madap tak utha ke lata hai...hadh hi hogi...20-22 saal ki building ko good maie utana bi ajeeb hi hai...

ek baar gaam maie ek shadi thi..to dulhan kuch health thi aur bechara MAMA mara huwa sa.. ab jaise hi good mie uthan ke chala...do kadam chalte hi dhadam se gira sath maie dulhan bi... :D hans hans ke paith phat ga tha.. :D:D

shaadi ke riwajo maie sabse jyada gussa mujhe pandit par ata hai..khali pili maie 1 ghante tak dhuwa ke samne baitaye pakata rehta hai.. kabi idhar chwal dhalo kabi udhar dhoob se pani ke chante do... kabi idhar paanch rupiye rakho to kabi udhar..

Koi nahi jab aapka number aayega tab sab achaa lagega !