Can U bring any good change as an individual in the society

[choudharyneelam]

Hello friends,

The topic above was one from our discussion sessions during our B.Ed. personality development programmes....We're given a topic in hindi......'kya akela chana bhaad fod sakta hai?'....and i was on the opponents side....the reasons with which i supported were only acceptable by two persons...one my own teacher and the other person who conducted the whole session....the last comment that i got from them was that....we need to be a part of something to bring that change....very true but still not that acceptable by me.

With the same thought i joined B.Ed. course to bring some better change in the society by doing something in the field of education.

What i feel is the only change could happen through education but what about the changes in education system??????.....the final response of my queries that i heard from every corner is that u can try but u'll find urself helpless and that's very true as the same reflected to me every corner i looked upon..untill and unless one feels from inside to learn and adopt the right method no good change can be thought of.

But again,my teachers called me to develop a belief of bringing some change in my thoughts.....i listened to them but not so convinced again. Actually i'm not getting the exact answer to my all questions.

People only relate teaching with specific subjects and a job in some reputed school. Just b'coz of status.....when my friends ask me what subject u gonna teach....i reply commerce at +2 level...this impress them a lot but exactly i'm not going to do that....i've some other big idea but don't know whether i'll be successful to start and take it ahead. Only my siblings knew about it.

Now i would like to have ur ideas upon this....how much do u agree with this statement and how much u oppose it...i need clarifications also.


waiting for ur replies
neelam

[brahmtewatia]

Hello friends,

The topic above was one from our discussion sessions during our B.Ed. personality development programmes....We're given a topic in hindi......'kya akela chana bhaad fod sakta hai?'....and i was on the opponents side....the reasons with which i supported were only acceptable by two persons...one my own teacher and the other person who conducted the whole session....the last comment that i got from them was that....we need to be a part of something to bring that change....very true but still not that acceptable by me.

waiting for ur replies
neelam

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[mukeshkumar007]

......'kya akela chana bhaad fod sakta hai?'....

but akela chana agar uchal jaye to badbuche ke ankh jarorr phood sakta hai.. !!!

[brahmtewatia]

but akela chana agar uchal jaye to badbuche ke ankh jarorr phood sakta hai.. !!!

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[devdahiya]

Hello friends,

The topic above was one from our discussion sessions during our B.Ed. personality development programmes....We're given a topic in hindi......'kya akela chana bhaad fod sakta hai?'....and i was on the opponents side....the reasons with which i supported were only acceptable by two persons...one my own teacher and the other person who conducted the whole session....the last comment that i got from them was that....we need to be a part of something to bring that change....very true but still not that acceptable by me.

With the same thought i joined B.Ed. course to bring some better change in the society by doing something in the field of education.

What i feel is the only change could happen through education but what about the changes in education system??????.....the final response of my queries that i heard from every corner is that u can try but u'll find urself helpless and that's very true as the same reflected to me every corner i looked upon..untill and unless one feels from inside to learn and adopt the right method no good change can be thought of.

But again,my teachers called me to develop a belief of bringing some change in my thoughts.....i listened to them but not so convinced again. Actually i'm not getting the exact answer to my all questions.

People only relate teaching with specific subjects and a job in some reputed school. Just b'coz of status.....when my friends ask me what subject u gonna teach....i reply commerce at +2 level...this impress them a lot but exactly i'm not going to do that....i've some other big idea but don't know whether i'll be successful to start and take it ahead. Only my siblings knew about it.

Now i would like to have ur ideas upon this....how much do u agree with this statement and how much u oppose it...i need clarifications also.


waiting for ur replies
neelam

Neelam, very interesting topic indeed.It is not difficult to find the answer.In fact an idea or thought moves the world and the idea takes shape in a single head....once the idea is put to practical use with conviction and determination,many souls join hand and take that idea to its logical end.So in nutshell it is an individual always who creates a spark and rest becomes a history.Gandhi ji was a perfect example of that and history is full of such examples.Accordingly if we have conviction and determination to follow up our dreams and aspiration then we too can make a great difference to the society as an individual.......there is a famous saying and i quote.." IF WE CAN NOT DO BIGGER THINGS IN A BIGGER WAY,WE CAN SURELY DO SMALLER THINGS IN A BIGGER WAY".....unquote.

Each one of us are blessed human beings in some or other way.....Need of the hour is to recognize our true value and to have courage of conviction to do a thing befittingly.Our fears and reservations thus stop us from undertaking challenging journeys in life........this is unfortunate because THAT IS THE AIM OF LIFE.Common sense applied with conviction can enable a person to move the mountains if resolution is rock solid.Nothing has ever stopped a determined human being from doing a deed......GOD BLESS!

[choudharyneelam]

quote.." IF WE CAN NOT DO BIGGER THINGS IN A BIGGER WAY,WE CAN SURELY DO SMALLER THINGS IN A BIGGER WAY".....unquote.

Sir, i'm happy to see the response and totally agree with ur every point but i want to know about the role of an individual in change....means nobody there to listen you, follow u, instead they all are there to pull the legs....then will it be possible?...because as per the current prevailing situations a true and ethical person is dragged in to do all the unacceptable things by other evils, or that person might give up from his responisbilities as there is one family who always like to have concerns from his side regarding safety....today nobody is like Great Bapuji who can face the world standing alone....aaj ke aadmi ki sthithi chakravu mein fase Abhimanyu ki tarah hai...jab jadein hi kharab hon to peid ko kaise seenchen???????....jadien here i called the corrupt govt. system as govt. has to play a major role in every field....ab Arjun Singh ko hi dekho ki kya kiya hai quota system ke mamle mein....people like him have lots of powers in their hand, then how can it be possible for a single person to take the initiative standing against all the wrongs??????????? People like him don't know anything about humanity....u might have seen the way the medical students treated so brutally....and still those students didn't received any justice....wo to sab united they, fir bhi no change....then how can we think of an initiative from a single person alone....atleast in the starting phase.

Gadhiji was able to influence the people as they all were tortured a lot and wanted freedom to come out of that slavery condition.....wahan jeene marne ke sawaal tha....ya to ghut ghut ke jeeyo, ya khul ke saamna karo aur jeeto ya jaan do.....that situation was different....society now, in the real sense need a great change but it is not the demand of people as they are feeling ease to live the life the way they are living....now tell me how to deal in such situation when the change is not demanded directly by people but some person want to make others realise this need by bringing some change?

[devdahiya]

Sir, i'm happy to see the response and totally agree with ur every point but i want to know about the role of an individual in change....means nobody there to listen you, follow u, instead they all are there to pull the legs....then will it be possible?...because as per the current prevailing situations a true and ethical person is dragged in to do all the unacceptable things by other evils, or that person might give up from his responisbilities as there is one family who always like to have concerns from his side regarding safety....today nobody is like Great Bapuji who can face the world standing alone....aaj ke aadmi ki sthithi chakravu mein fase Abhimanyu ki tarah hai...jab jadein hi kharab hon to peid ko kaise seenchen???????....jadien here i called the corrupt govt. system as govt. has to play a major role in every field....ab Arjun Singh ko hi dekho ki kya kiya hai quota system ke mamle mein....people like him have lots of powers in their hand, then how can it be possible for a single person to take the initiative standing against all the wrongs??????????? People like him don't know anything about humanity....u might have seen the way the medical students treated so brutally....and still those students didn't received any justice....wo to sab united they, fir bhi no change....then how can we think of an initiative from a single person alone....atleast in the starting phase.

Gadhiji was able to influence the people as they all were tortured a lot and wanted freedom to come out of that slavery condition.....wahan jeene marne ke sawaal tha....ya to ghut ghut ke jeeyo, ya khul ke saamna karo aur jeeto ya jaan do.....that situation was different....society now, in the real sense need a great change but it is not the demand of people as they are feeling ease to live the life the way they are living....now tell me how to deal in such situation when the change is not demanded directly by people but some person want to make others realise this need by bringing some change?

Neelam ,the catch lies in your question itself.........The change is possible only when environment[people who are affected] desires.It will be foolish to talk of change when people are comfortable in a particular situation.Even suggestions should be offered only on demand.Yes at times forced changes are needed but those are rare feet achieved by a handfuls. The effect of such changes are only felt by people after that change and a comparison is made....but that is very rare i said.In normal circumstances people have to feel the need of a change and then only a person should get into the active mode.


Every situation which we confront in life each day will have a different solution depending on the ground realities and thats where MATURITY comes into fore.No doubt that life is very complex in present times[and is going to be more complex in future] and hence we ought to equip ourself with more wisdom, in order to face life situations more appropriately.There are no ready made solutions for the problems we encounter in life.....In fact each problem is unique and unique are the solutions and we move from problem to problem gathering knowledge and converting it into Wisdom.


We can not please every one out here.First and foremost is the individual pleasure and happiness because if as an individual i am not happy...i can give no happiness to others[Responsible i must always though]....So worry not...keep doing your bit as humanly possible and move on without any regret or dead load on your back...after all i or you are not accountable for the every sin which takes place on this earth......Till such time we are happy and satisfied of our good and kind deeds towards other living beings,we should not worry......BLESS!

[ratheetheraist]

sis sorry for disturbin u for a moment in this nice thread...!!

a message for someone who knows whom m pointing towards..

arrey owwee...merey tey baat manna karr liye tu kaddey galti tey...koni thaaun terey fone bii...dhongi baba..oops...hansi aa gai..:p:D par gussa kamm nai hua hai oye..chal apna kaam kar ley ibb..

[Samarkadian]

Hello friends,

The topic above was one from our discussion sessions during our B.Ed. personality development programmes....We're given a topic in hindi......'kya akela chana bhaad fod sakta hai?'....and i was on the opponents side....the reasons with which i supported were only acceptable by two persons...one my own teacher and the other person who conducted the whole session....the last comment that i got from them was that....we need to be a part of something to bring that change....very true but still not that acceptable by me.

With the same thought i joined B.Ed. course to bring some better change in the society by doing something in the field of education.

What i feel is the only change could happen through education but what about the changes in education system??????.....the final response of my queries that i heard from every corner is that u can try but u'll find urself helpless and that's very true as the same reflected to me every corner i looked upon..untill and unless one feels from inside to learn and adopt the right method no good change can be thought of.

But again,my teachers called me to develop a belief of bringing some change in my thoughts.....i listened to them but not so convinced again. Actually i'm not getting the exact answer to my all questions.

People only relate teaching with specific subjects and a job in some reputed school. Just b'coz of status.....when my friends ask me what subject u gonna teach....i reply commerce at +2 level...this impress them a lot but exactly i'm not going to do that....i've some other big idea but don't know whether i'll be successful to start and take it ahead. Only my siblings knew about it.

Now i would like to have ur ideas upon this....how much do u agree with this statement and how much u oppose it...i need clarifications also.


waiting for ur replies
neelam

It's a sad and stupid thing to have to proclaim yourself a revolutionary just to be a decent man. ~David Harris

Question itself is rheotoric.Saying everything.Thaty It was included as a part of personality development programme in your B.Ed course.A teacher is a leader who is going to TEACH the future generation.So here the sense of sense in giving above topic is to test you on being a leader.To TEACH others you must be well learned, and to be a learned person you must improve[change] your conditioned thoughts.To teach and change for good, you will have to bring a good change in yourself.No Change is good or bad, it is just measured on the basis of comfort level.Dhundhane se to Bhagwan bhi mil jaya karte hain, bas Shradha aur lagan aap kahan tak rakh sakte ho.

You have joined B.Ed programme to bring a change in education field by doing something? I hope you are aware of WHAT, WHY and HOW of this 'doing-something'.

Now coming to the word CHANGE. Change itself is a wonderful yet painful yet unstoppable force. Every moment is changing in to another in this cosmic world.These moments always are full events which cant be copied again.Thats the beauty of life and mystical amusement.You often hears this notion that only change is CONSTANT in this nature. So change which nature bring us is best, its way of doing are various like calamities, climate change.We generally react/respond towards nature's induced change. Coming to Societal change. In this context CHANGE is wrong word because actually you are improving an already existing system/belief.Its improvement which is taken as 'change'. System is not wrong, the people who runs it are wrong which runs is wrongly, hence there is a mess.

Now as an individual in society, one can bring improvement[change].Like Raja Ram Mohan Roy, Swami Vivekananda, Baba Ramdev etc possesed skills, intellect and above all a dedicated, unshakable belief against odds in system, I call it STRENGTH of individual. Aspects of strength are like emotional strength, spiritual strength and intellectual strength.Like I quoted while starting this post its not enough to be GOOD to bring any change, GOOD must have strong legs to face evils. Its not that a policeman is not strong , its just that terrorists have more STRENGTH in their determination for destruction.They do not fear death for their purpose of killing others.The security personal who are more strong in intelligence will caught these terrorists. So CHANGE is the propotional to strength.

Like you have said abt Arjun Singh and medical students unity, those who have got benefits of reservation in central institutes for higher studies are happier individuals.I have worked with 'Youth for Equality' and provided various lists under right to information act to lawyers but as the sensation from media has gone YFE has divided in to groups and here started its downfall with the launch of 'stupid' political party, they failed miserably in election in UP because a sense of equality has been overcomed by ego and personal benefits , but Arjun Singh never wavered. He Won. If you dnt know a single student in China in late 80s had stood in front of chinese tank on a famous circle to challange whole Chinese govt.Its all depends upon how much sharp and determined are you for your purpose.One person Albert Einsteen by giving Atomic Bomb's formula to US changed the whole world. Just think had he given it to ruler of his own country Germany.? Its another aspect what is reservation n who need it n where and why.




So as an Individual who is 'STRONG' can bring any change positive/negative in society.
Question is Are you going to change[improve] yourself first for this.

[yudhvirmor]

Sir, i'm happy to see is not demanded directly by people but some person want to make others realise this need by bringing some change?

Hi Neelam,

I think one person can ignite the series of changes. It all depends upon how desperate he/she is for changes. I read some where "Those thing that hurt instruct." We get that fire in our belly when we are in a situation. Any revolution of a history was brain child of an individual.

Great missionaries like Chi, Stalin and Marx have done their homework and went to masses to find the common issues. They started living those dreams and finally they stood with masses.

I think ideas get innovated in classes and executed by masses.

[sidchhikara]

It would be hard to judge whats good for a society because society is amorphous. However, you can help a group of individuals who are willing to receive your message. Whatever you teach them, please slip in a sentence about family planning .... most poor people in India think having babies is a sporting activity.

[sumeetmalik]

It would be hard to judge whats good for a society because society is amorphous. However, you can help a group of individuals who are willing to receive your message. Whatever you teach them, please slip in a sentence about family planning .... most poor people in India think having babies is a sporting activity.

Dude, Sid, you are on a roll here today. Where were you hiding this biting humor. Come out more with it.

[yudhvirmor]

It would be hard to judge whats good for a society because society is amorphous. However, you can help a group of individuals who are willing to receive your message. Whatever you teach them, please slip in a sentence about family planning .... most poor people in India think having babies is a sporting activity.

I think you raised a genuine concern in your style. We still find 7-8 yrs old kids working on eatries or begging. We are in impression that India has come up in big way after 2000. I am sure most of these kids have borned after that. We still have polio cases though we are spending so much for polio Eradication program.

Sid Sir we need to slip many sentences like this to amorphous society

[devdahiya]

sis sorry for disturbin u for a moment in this nice thread...!!

a message for someone who knows whom m pointing towards..

arrey owwee...merey tey baat manna karr liye tu kaddey galti tey...koni thaaun terey fone bii...dhongi baba..oops...hansi aa gai..:p:D par gussa kamm nai hua hai oye..chal apna kaam kar ley ibb..

Na thhaiye meri ke jhotti khollega.....ought to learn decencies though.........God bless you always!

[choudharyneelam]

Neelam ,the catch lies in your question itself.........The change is possible only when environment[people who are affected] desires.It will be foolish to talk of change when people are comfortable in a particular situation.

that's exactly what i wanted to point out here and even to them...i also expressed these same opinions but still no body agreed with me....i think the other team was just trying their best to prove themselves as winner.....hehehe....aakhir mujhe hi chup hona pada after giving sarcastic smile to them...main bhi insaan hun kab tak bakwas jhelti...hehe....now for these things i really need some change and i'll definitely bring it as i had promised to my teachers

i'm satistfied now with the responses.....and special thanks to all my dear friends....ye thread sirf issliye start kiya so as to know whether i was on the right track or not....i'm happy now

and ya talking about the change in myself....i always practice on that and come out with assured results and will repeat the same wherever required for sure.

With regards
Neelam

[choudharyneelam]

Hi Neelam,
I think ideas get innovated in classes and executed by masses.

I agree ....only thing i wanna tell u all that just be ready as i'll need lot many after giving ignition to my idea...fir gayab mat ho jana...shayad usse pahle bhi jaroorat pade as i don't know how to initiate it...hehe...ab main itni bhi great nahin hun...kuch accha soch liya ye bhi ek great kaam hai...wo kahte hain naa...A thought given to a job is half work done...and don't be afraid i'm not gonna ask u to teach any subject...:D

...for initiating it i'll consult myself the right person...abhi to sirf socha hai...shuru karne mein to pata nahin kitna time lagega...aur uske baad aayega mere saathiyon ka role of support....to abhi enjoy the free time :D

[choudharyneelam]

It would be hard to judge whats good for a society because society is amorphous. However, you can help a group of individuals who are willing to receive your message. Whatever you teach them, please slip in a sentence about family planning .... most poor people in India think having babies is a sporting activity.

providing a beautiful shape to something is also in our hands...even we people only know about our bodily structure but what about our soul...so its upto one person whether he/she defines it in some shape or consider it as shapeless....and i don't think that there is anything in the world which does not have its own shape...now how you percieve is the other thing.

[yudhvirmor]

I agree ....only thing i wanna tell u all that juspata nahin kitna time lagega...aur uske baad aayega mere saathiyon ka role of support....to abhi enjoy the free time :D

I am ready to be part of masses to execute your well crafted idea for any nobel cause..

[choudharyneelam]

I am ready to be part of masses to execute your well crafted idea for any nobel cause..

Heartful Thanks to U !!

[spdeshwal]

Neelam ji

You commented in one of your posts that you wanted to know about how many members would support the stand taken by you. If it was simply to lead a healthy debate than you were 100% on right track

If it was the call of your inner conscience that made you confident about your conviction than you were 100% right and on right track. That is how I believe and perceive this subject.

I don't have to run my imagination for examples.

I can name them without giving a second thought...

Sh Ram Sawroop Arya
Navin Guliya
Rjender Kalkhunde
Dr. Jagbir
....
....There are people in other places. One Dr. Reddy, a NRI has helped to change his village unbelievably and that too without and Govt help.
There are thousands of success stries where individuals have brought about a change in the lives of others.The key is Will power, honesty and commitment!

Sphere of their change may not be that big right now. I mean, they may not be able touch more lives now but their efforts will multiply.

Now one may question that they are not alone and their success, although initiated by these individuals but a cumulative effort was needed to succeed. But I would say , the source of that vital energy of that change was some individual. More over the first step, the initiation is most important. Otherwise thousands of dream projects and golden ideas die before there inception.

As Dev dahiya has said in his first post about a thought, an idea that can bring about a change , also heard Baba ramdev speaking to some Media people in Bhopal jail:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qiCa3TvuQe0

Now you can have no better example than Baba Ramdev that a determined indivdual can bring about a social change of that magnitude. Now one might say that Baba's revolution to spread yoga is helped by so many people and media.

केवल एक अकेला भी बहुत कुछ कर सकता है समाज के लिए !
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http://in.jagran.yahoo.com/news/nati...1_4514887.html

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