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    in those days of copper civilization where mouths of rivers were too small, where early jats/aryans did migrate to east,

  2. #22
    where jats were yet to diccover a metal like iron in bihar. where repeatedly soka cried.

  3. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by brahmtewatia View Post
    i see mr. narendra kharb's post being deleted... it was post no. 13.
    i wonder as to how he can contribute ?

    ... it'll b interesting to see wat saurav nandal has to say on this.
    sakas were the most just people, their only crime was that they were posed against jats their own blood brothers...

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    Shabbashi

    shabbash mairai chitai laga rah sab nai jaat bana kai chodiyai

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  7. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by amans View Post
    I know the question is unexpected. Buddha was called by another name "Sakyamuni" - the wise man of the sakyas.
    Sakya is Indian word for Scythians. Jats are supposed to be descended from Scythians.
    Bihar mein bhi jat hain ke???
    chinese keh hain budha chinese tha bharat aale keh hain bihari tha tanne jat bana diya ise concept kade tein toh ke lyao ho????
    is tage bhi isi jagah kho dyo ke paawe e na
    Dream is not what you see while sleeping. Dream is that which won't let you sleep

  8. #26
    Quote Originally Posted by amans View Post
    I know the question is unexpected. Buddha was called by another name "Sakyamuni" - the wise man of the sakyas.
    Sakya is Indian word for Scythians. Jats are supposed to be descended from Scythians.
    Buddha belonged to Sakaya race that was certainly an Indo Iranian race (not a bihari tribe ).


    Sakaya were so proud of their lineage that they tried to maintain racial purity of their blood which lead to a famous story of their mass murder and other stories regarding Buddha's Grand Parents.They considered themselves direct descendants of Manu Visvant which find mention in Iranian texts as such .


    Now those who know Asko Parpola knows The great respect which this name commands in historical and archaeological circles .This historians and a famous Indologist have established that Sakyas were in fact the Sakas of Indo Iranian race .


    Who were these Sakas??? these were the same people whom Greeks called Scythians and where they lived, is well explained by authors of periplus of Erythraean sea In First century BC ....................

    http://www.nationmaster.com/encyclopedia/Minnagara

    Minnagara is mentioned in the 1st century CE Periplus of the Erythraean Sea: The Periplus of the Erythraean Sea (Periplus Maris Erythraei ) is a Greek periplus, describing navigation and trading opportunities from Roman Egyptian ports like Berenice along the coast of the Red Sea, and others along East Africa and India. ...

    "Beyond this region (Gedrosia), the continent making a wide curve from the east across the depths of the bays, there follows the coast district of Scythia, which lies above toward the north; the whole marshy; from which flows down the river Sinthus, the greatest of all the rivers that flow into the Erythraean Sea, bringing down an enormous volume of water (...) This river has seven mouths, very shallow and marshy, so that they are not navigable, except the one in the middle; at which by the shore, is the market-town, Barbaricum. Before it there lies a small island, and inland behind it is the metropolis of Scythia, Minnagara." [1]
    Ptolemy also mentioned Minnagara, and it is thought to be identical with the Manjábarí of the Arab geographers. Gedrosia is the ancient name of an area that corresponds to the southernwestern part of today s Pakistan, from the Indus River to the areas of Baluchistan and Makran. ... The Indus is a river; the Indus River. ... Barbarikon port during Kushan empire, c. ...

    Alternatively, "Nagara" being the Sanskrit word for "town", the city itself may have been called "Min", a name found in Isidorus of Charax as a Scythian city in Sakastan (Lassen).

    sakastan ...

    Encyclopedia > Sakastan
    Sakastan Sakasthana or Sakasthan is a term indicating certain regions of the South Asia where the Scythians or Sakas settled around 100 BC. Sakastan region includes southern Afghanistan; Punjab, NWFP, and Sindh provinces of Pakistan; Northern Maharashtra, Gujarat, Rajasthan, Uttar Pradesh, Haryana and Punjab states of India. Composite satellite image of South Asia Map of South Asia. ... Scythia was an area in Eurasia inhabited in ancient times by an Indo-Aryans known as the Scythians. ... Sakastan is a new term, in the sense used here, that was promoted by supporters of Khalistan. Its use on the internet dates back to 1998.

    How ever both Arabs and Greek historians know the other name of people controlling same area.....

    Yes the other name of these people who controlled this area was Jats.

    The author of periplus wrote at another place that in Scythia rival parthian rulers tried to replace each other but greek authors clears that that racialy these rulers called themselves Azats ,How different AZats if from Jats any one can make a simple guess


    Chiefs of Makrran itself is reported as Jats by Arbian authors whose decendant Harun later took part in Kasim invasions.

    I need not quote the notes of Al masudi or Suleiman or Encyclopedia of Islam or for that matter Cunningham where the entire area from Makran in Iran towards Sindh river is reported under the rule of Jats .


    We can discuss these issues but such discussions needs certain basic information about Jat History which many young people lack but are ready to pass witty comments .
    Last edited by narenderkharb; November 8th, 2008 at 12:23 AM.

  9. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by amans View Post
    I know the question is unexpected. Buddha was called by another name "Sakyamuni" - the wise man of the sakyas.
    Sakya is Indian word for Scythians. Jats are supposed to be descended from Scythians.
    There is nothing wrong with the question of the line of enquiry.

    One should not however be in a rush to link Scythians , whoever they were, with the tribe of Gautam Buddha.

    As Narendraji puts it, we need to acquire a basic grasp of History, and ramp up gradually.

    We should not be in a rush.


    For people who are unfamiliar with the subject, and most of us are. Indeed I

    suspect most are just like I was, a few years ago.



    However I got interested and gradually, I would say, that I have acquired a fairly good grasp, but I now find that there is much more to learn,and that is quite humbling.

    When people ask questions,let us be patient, and not be so quick to ridicule them.

    Out of silly questions, some excellent results come.

    Best regards


    Ravi Chaudhary

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    Let us analyze the clan of Buddha. we have info from Wikipedia (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Shakya) -
    Shakya (Sanskrit:Śākya, Devanagari: शक्य and Pāli:Sākiya) was an ancient janapada (kingdom) of Iron Age India.[1] The name is derived from the Sanskrit word śakya which means capable, able. [2] In Buddhist texts, the Śākyas are mentioned as a Kshatriya clan.[3] The Śākyas formed an independent kingdom at the foothills of the Himālayas. The Śākya capital was Kapilavastu (Pāli: Kapilavatthu).

    The most famous Śākya was Shakyamuni Buddha (Gautama Buddha), a member of the ruling Gautama (Pāli: Gotama) clan of Lumbini, who is also known as Śākyamuni (Pāli: Śakamuṇi, "sage of the Śaka nation").

    The Śākyas are mentioned in the accounts of the birth of the Buddha (Mahāvastu, c. late 2nd century BCE) as a part of the Ādichchas (solar race) and as descendants of the legendary king Ikṣvāku (Pāli: Okkāka):

    There lived once upon a time a king of the Śākya, a scion of the solar race, whose name was Śuddhodana. He was pure in conduct, and beloved of the Śākya like the autumn moon. He had a wife, splendid, beautiful, and steadfast, who was called the Great Māyā, from her resemblance to Māyā the Goddess.
    —Buddhacarita of Aśvaghoṣa, I.1-2
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    References -
    1. ^ Kosambi D.D. (1988). The Culture and Civilisation of Ancient India in Historical Outline, New Delhi: Vikas Publishing House, ISBN 0 7069 4200 0, p.108
    2. ^ SpokenSanskrit.de Dictionary: http://spokensanskrit.de/index.php?s...e&direction=SE
    3. ^ Thapar, R.(1978). Ancient Indian Social History, New Delhi: Orient Longman, ISBN 81 250 0808 X, p.117
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    We do not have direct evidences if Buddha's clan belonged to Jats or not but we have certain traditions still surviving in Jats.

    In the clan of Buddha Shakya rulers used to do beginning of plaughing (Halsotia) firstby the king himself and later the public. This tradition is mentioned to continue in Jats in 11th century when we find that Tejaji a Jat king in Marwar Rajasthan who did beginning of plaughing.

    In Buddhism all people were treated equal and so is today in Jats.

    I had been searching the origin of goddess Mavli worshiped in Rajasthan. I have discovered that Mavli is the local name of Maha Maya, the mother of Buddha.

    Some Jat clans such as Kak, Kakrana etc have ancestral links with Ikṣvāku, fromwhich Buddha has also descended.

    There are links of Jat traditions with Buddha.

    Regards,
    Laxman Burdak

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    Quote Originally Posted by rakeshsehrawat View Post
    Bihar mein bhi jat hain ke???
    chinese keh hain budha chinese tha bharat aale keh hain bihari tha tanne jat bana diya ise concept kade tein toh ke lyao ho????
    is tage bhi isi jagah kho dyo ke paawe e na
    bhai bihar me bi jat s.. Nawada zile me karib 100 gaon jato ke s. Patna me bihar ke jato ki panchayat bulai s , panchayat ki tarikh pakki hone par bataunga waha ja ke dekh aana...
    " जाट हारा नहीं कभी रण में तीर तोप तलवारों से ,
    जाट तो हारा हैं , गद्दारों से दरबारों से
    |"

    " इस कौम का ईलाही दुखड़ा किसे सुनाऊ ?
    डर हैं के इसके गम में घुल घुल के न मर जाऊँ || "
    ...........................चौ.छोटूराम ओहल्याण

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    Quote Originally Posted by raka View Post
    bhai bihar me bi jat s.. Nawada zile me karib 100 gaon jato ke s. Patna me bihar ke jato ki panchayat bulai s , panchayat ki tarikh pakki hone par bataunga waha ja ke dekh aana...
    Could anybody inform if the said Panchayat was held or not ? If yes, what is the information on the position of Jats in Bihar.
    History is best when created, better when re-constructed and worst when invented.

  14. #31

    Red face

    CH Shiv pratap singh Bihar Jat mahaSahbha ke Adhyesk hai, Bihar mei 104 gaon hai (Patna aur Shaharsa) districts . 5 July ko Jat mahaadheveshan (talkatora staidium ) mei aaye aur inse milkar apni Quries door kare.
    4 gaon mei Sarpanch Jat hai Aur 1 Block pramuhk hai, Bihar mei bhi "Jat" community ko OBC stutus kei sath reservation ka labh mil raha hai.

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    Puneetji can we get details of these villages in Bihar ?
    Laxman Burdak

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    Quote Originally Posted by puneetlakra View Post
    CH Shiv pratap singh Bihar Jat mahaSahbha ke Adhyesk hai, Bihar mei 104 gaon hai (Patna aur Shaharsa) districts . 5 July ko Jat mahaadheveshan (talkatora staidium ) mei aaye aur inse milkar apni Quries door kare.
    4 gaon mei Sarpanch Jat hai Aur 1 Block pramuhk hai, Bihar mei bhi "Jat" community ko OBC stutus kei sath reservation ka labh mil raha hai.
    Thanks friend for sharing this new information. As requested by Shri Burdakji,

    kindly try to gather more bit of details, if possible, regarding the names of the

    villages, their gotra and notable Jats among them.

    regards,
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    Yes, I will ask Detail's About JATS of Bihar from Ch Shiv Pratap Singh

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    Kime guatam buddh ka bera bhi challya akk nahi....?

    5 saal ho liye..

    Sonia bhi waiting list me baithi hai...

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    Quote Originally Posted by ssgoyat View Post
    Kime guatam buddh ka bera bhi challya akk nahi....?

    5 saal ho liye..

    Sonia bhi waiting list me baithi hai...
    Friend,

    No new source of information seems to have come to fore to decide the issue. Hence status quo.

    Thanks
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    Red face

    Quote Originally Posted by lrburdak View Post
    Puneetji can we get details of these villages in Bihar ?

    Few more information about Bihar Jat’s provided by Ch Shiv pratap Singh during his visit in Jat MahaAdhevashan
    Few Gotra’s which are very common among Bihar Jat’s:-
    Khangoora
    Balyaan
    Chopad
    Chaher
    Mehlawat
    Mehlot
    Bhoora
    Rawat
    Meetha and many more
    Districts where Jat’s lives:-
    Patna
    Shahersha
    Puraniya
    Madhepura
    Suopol
    Aurangabad
    Katihaar and Darbhanga
    Few notiable person of Bihar jat’s

    1. Dr Mahesh Rai (Child Specialist at Safderjung Hospital in New Delhi)
    2. Ch Shiv Pratap Singh Khangora , President , Akhil Bhartiye Jat Mahasabha Bihar

    He is Village Pradhan also.
    Add :- Village Chouda, Block Kudaspur , Dist. Patna. Mob no. 09934036873

    3. CH. Uttam Singh Balyaan , General Secrectry , Akhil Bhartiye Jat Mahasabha BiharAdd:- :- Village Chouda, Block Kudaspur , Dist. Patna.

    4. Ch. Mithlesh Rai (Mehlot) He is village Pradhan of his village.Add:- Village Mehthwa , post-mehthwa Bazaar, Block-Bhergamaa,Dist. Agariyaa , Bihar
    Mob.no.09006220104

    5. Ch. Subhash Rai (Choupad) He is deputy Pradhan of his village.Add:- Village Lakohi ,post Nandlaali,Dist. Sahersa,Bihar
    Mo.no. 0828621434
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    Good effort for which you deserve congratulations and thanks.

    This information has further expanded the area of the Jat Land which earlier to it did not mention Jats in Bihar.

    It is expected that with keen interest and observant eye of the members newer information would keep on pouring from different regions on the issue in future too.
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    Ossetians, Alans, Sarmatians are mainly Ydna haplogroup G2a and J2, some Jatts are also G2a and J2.

    It sounds very far fetched, but can somebody please look into the validity of this information on the link below and report back.

    http://www.ancient-origins.net/opini...-buddha-003001
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    Buddhism spread in the areas dominated by Jats. First preaching of Buddha was to people called trijatas. Initially they opposed the concepts and faiths of Buddha but later they became his followers and helped in spreading his new faith. Xuan Zang or Xuanzang (c. 602 – 664), born Chen Hui or Chen Yi (Chen I), was a Chinese Buddhist monk, scholar, traveller, and translator who described the interaction between China and India in the early Tang dynasty.

    He travelled India from 629 to 645 and gave details of all Buddhist centres. We are compiling details of all these places. We have identified these places with the input from Alexander Cunningham. You can see here.
    http://www.jatland.com/home/Xuan_Zang

    It was the time when Jat Ruler Harshavardhana was great Ruler of India. We find visible links of various Jat clans from the places Xuan Zang visited.
    Laxman Burdak

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