Were the great ancient kings like Chandragupt, Ashok and Anangpal Tomar not Jats ??

[NikhilNehra]

I raised this query specially to my Jatland's researchers, scholars and historians who know about the "real" Jat history, which was hidden by Brahmanical scholars and writers....please give your claims/facts about these kings of our glorious past. I have also done little bit research to find out the truth about them......and my conclusion is that all of these were Jats......please reply....

Chandragupt Maurya and Ashok (of Maurya/More/Morr clans) :-
>- It is mentioned in wikis and all others writings that Chandragupt was belonged to a lower caste (those days termed as "Shudra"). My question is that, Is there any time-zone mentioned in the history of India where the Shudras got socially active, organized and became so strong to over shadow the elite castes in those days of India?
>- As far as concerns my knowledge about the ancient History of India, in between 300 BC and 8 AD (after 8 AD so called Agnikund "drama" was happened where Brahmans created a new term "Rajput", from those Jats, Gujjar and Yadavs, who accepted and obeyed the old orthodox and fake believes spread by Brahmans) there were were social and religious wars and revolutions among various tribes, castes and races, particularly in North India. All the people, kings, races and societies were motivated and influenced by the newer "Bodh Dharma" and other believes. Specially Jats were very influential towards these changes due to their nature to support a democratic system as well as they resisted the fake Brahmanical orthodox believes. They did not accept anything with blind eyes.
That's why Brahmans of those time period hated the Jats who accepted other faiths and believes. After these social and religious storms Brahmans started to included the Jat race into Shudras due to jealousy. And that is the same reason they mentioned these great kings as Shudras.....

Raja Anagpal Tomar:-
All of you know that he was a Tomar Jat king of Delhi (near 1000-1100 AD) and maternal grandfather of Prithviraj Chauhan of Ajmer (Chauhan Jat of Ajmer). He went to a holy trip to Pushkar and handover his empire to Prithviraj for safty in meanwhile. But when he reached in his state after finishing his trip Prithviraj refused him to give his empire and a war began between Chauhans Jats and Toamar Jats in Delhi. As a result Tomars must had to go near Gwalior where they created their new empire.


"....So if these kings were Jats and I know many historians claimed this fact... then why we Jats not accept this truth with open hearts???...why we hesitate to tell the truth to the people that we have such a glorious history that was hidden due to some jealous mentality.....??....and why we did not make efforts to change the online wikipedia and content in the Indian History about these kings???

[lrburdak]

See on Jatland we treat them ancestors of Jats -

http://www.jatland.com/home/Chandragupt_Maurya

http://www.jatland.com/home/Ashoka

http://www.jatland.com/home/Raja_Anagpal_Tomar

For Wikipedia entries we have to do great efforts as it is free to be edited by anybody.

[NikhilNehra]

Dear Burdak Ji...thanks for giving information. But Is it enough to see all the Jats related information only on Jatland? Yes we all Jats loves our online home the Jatland website. But now the time is to let other non-jat people of our country know the untold truth about Jats...should we satisfied to see the Jat glory only on Jatland??.........because from other's perspective they usually not follow our Jatland. They said and know whatever is written there in wiki and Indian history's books in school and college syllabus....even I became sad and angree when I searched the internet on 25 december, death anniversary of our modern history hero the Great Maharaja Surajmal...I found nothing about him on wiki except our Jatland website......do you not think that all the jatland team's good efforts must become more worthful...in my view now we have all the facts and figures about our Jat history and it's forgotten heros, so now we must spread this glory in all directions....everywhere

[narenderkharb]

We need to challenge the current version of Indian history as taught in schools and raise a movement if possible in this regard.

[NikhilNehra]

Totally agree Narender Ji...we have to do this.. Our all jatland members must initiate it, by hook or by crook...!!

[DrRajpalSingh]

We need to challenge the current version of Indian history as taught in schools and raise a movement if possible in this regard.

I find myself in full agreement with you about the need of re-construction of Indian History in the light of newer researches, particularly about the identification of old ruling dynasties. If this is done, the true history will take its place in the texts in place of myths and fables which appear in the history text books at several places.

[DrRajpalSingh]

Totally agree Narender Ji...we have to do this.. Our all jatland members must initiate it, by hook or by crook...!!

Not by 'hook or by crook' but factual presentation of history in place of distorted one will do.

[lrburdak]

Nikhilji there is a lot of content on Wikipedia also see - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bharatpur_State

There are links in this article to all the rulers of Bharatpur.

For your information I would like to tell you that Bharatpur article long back was on front page of Wikipedia under Did You Know Series.

What is needed is combined effort to upload reliable information. There is edit war on Wikipedia also and lot of people are bent upon deleting information. One such person is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sitush

[NikhilNehra]

OK, Rajpal Sir.......bhavnao ne bah gaya tha...hmmm...you are right.

[NikhilNehra]

Nikhilji there is a lot of content on Wikipedia also see - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bharatpur_State

There are links in this article to all the rulers of Bharatpur.

For your information I would like to tell you that Bharatpur article long back was on front page of Wikipedia under Did You Know Series.

What is needed is combined effort to upload reliable information. There is edit war on Wikipedia also and lot of people are bent upon deleting information. One such person is https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/User_talk:Sitush

Yes Burdak ji.....I have seen your efforts against this psycho human being "Sitush". I thing you have questioned him about all the rubbish things happening on wiki specially about Jats...below is your statement to this "psycho"...

Deleting Jat articles[edit]

Why are you deleting articles and contents relating to Jats. It shows your bias. Kindly don't do this. burdak (talk) 05:09, 1 April 2015 (UTC)

.......he is such a heinous person and full of jealous and hate about Jats. We will definitely see him and will look after his activities against Jats by monitoring and counter editing again and again. That's the thing we can do related to wiki. But Sir, as far as concerns the history written in books and syllabus in schools/colleges we must definitely go ahead to make a change in it.

[DrRajpalSingh]

Names of Porus, Kanishka, Famous Gupta dynasty [Dharan Gotra Jats], Harshavardhana of Virka clan may also be included as Jat rulers of yore after making historical facts clearer by producing irrefutable evidences to support the claim.

[DrRajpalSingh]

................... But Sir, as far as concerns the history written in books and syllabus in schools/colleges we must definitely go ahead to make a change in it.

Before moving to raise the issue of modification and inclusion of text on the Jat related clans, as stated earlier, first we have to produce unanimous text acceptable to the Jats themselves [there are many on this site also, who do not agree on identifications of earlier famous ruling clans as Jats]. How this can be done is a big question which needs prior addressing.

[NikhilNehra]

Before moving to raise the issue of modification and inclusion of text on the Jat related clans, as stated earlier, first we have to produce unanimous text acceptable to the Jats themselves [there are many on this site also, who do not agree on identifications of earlier famous ruling clans as Jats]. How this can be done is a big question which needs prior addressing.

Ok Rajpal Ji, I can understand (about the "zar"-buddhi-mentality of many of our Jats fellows)......so it means there is a lot of hindrance in this path and unfortunately in the form of our own Jats brothers, who are not convincing themselves about their own history.....it's very painful Sir.

[NikhilNehra]

Names of Porus, Kanishka, Famous Gupta dynasty [Dharan Gotra Jats], Harshavardhana of Virka clan may also be included as Jat rulers of yore after making historical facts clearer by producing irrefutable evidences to support the claim.

Dear Rajpal Sir,

> How much time and research still we need to get irrefutable evidences? Do we not have our own Jats researchers/scholars/historians? Can we not believe in previous hard works done by our own notable persons and scholars. Are the various history books written by Thakur Deshraj, B.S. Nijjar, Ram Swaroop Joon, Dr. Vir Singh, K.R Kanungo, Dahiya, Hawa Singh Sanghwan and many more total waist?
> So, what should be our next step, to convince our Jats brothers who have no faith in their own historians and scholars?

it's totally painful thing...!!

[DrRajpalSingh]

Dear Rajpal Sir,

> How much time and research still we need to get irrefutable evidences? Do we not have our own Jats researchers/scholars/historians? Can we not believe in previous hard works done by our own notable persons and scholars. Are the various history books written by Thakur Deshraj, B.S. Nijjar, Ram Swaroop Joon, Dr. Vir Singh, K.R Kanungo, Dahiya, Hawa Singh Sanghwan and many more total waist?
> So, what should be our next step, to convince our Jats brothers who have no faith in their own historians and scholars?

it's totally painful thing...!!

Bhim Singh Dahiya was the last modern historian who has written a few scholarly books on the Ancient Jats but his conclusions are also not acceptable to many of our fellow Jats. For example visit wiki pages by using link Jats the Ancient Rulers (A clan study)/Review of the book by Dr S S Rana

Dr. Rana is not the only Jat scholar who has challenged his findings there are many others of the same point of view.

After reading this review, make out yourself how much work has yet to be done to achieve the goal fixed by you in your earlier posts.

[DrRajpalSingh]

Ok Rajpal Ji, I can understand (about the "zar"-buddhi-mentality of many of our Jats fellows)......so it means there is a lot of hindrance in this path and unfortunately in the form of our own Jats brothers, who are not convincing themselves about their own history.....it's very painful Sir.

Yes, it is the sorry state of affairs and painful too as we are very quick in putting question marks to others scholarly works but when it comes our turn to reply, we have none and try to escape from back gate pointing fingers at the good work done by someone.

[NikhilNehra]

Bhim Singh Dahiya was the last modern historian who has written a few scholarly books on the Ancient Jats but his conclusions are also not acceptable to many of our fellow Jats. For example visit wiki pages by using link Jats the Ancient Rulers (A clan study)/Review of the book by Dr S S Rana

Dr. Rana is not the only Jat scholar who has challenged his findings there are many others of the same point of view.

After reading this review, make out yourself how much work has yet to be done to achieve the goal fixed by you in your earlier posts.

True Sir....I am totally speechless now....very unfortunate !!
After reading his review about the Jat origin and specially about the work done by our previous Jat scholars/historians, only one sentence I want to say here...."isko kahte hain barso ki mehnat par pani ferna.....aur apne pairo par khud kulhadi marna". If we have differences on any issue and we are criticising it then we must include our detail explanation about that.

> But Mr. Rana only criticized the work done by Mr. Dahiya, rather giving his own solid reasons about the origin of Jats.
> Similarly If he(Dr. Rana) can explain the term "Gupta" then what about the "Maurya" term used as a surname of Chandragupt. He must had to explain it also.
> It was his responsibility that before neglecting and rejecting anyone's research/finding, he must also give full authentic research/work done by himself.
> Most important thing is that, the people like him must rise above the competitiveness among the writers/historians and should work for the Jats to unveil the hidden truths about Jat history and glory.

As we said "India First" regarding with national point of view....we must have the similar line for social point of view and that should be....."Jat First" and we should put everything behind this line. This will solve all the problems among us(the Jats) and the people like Mr. Rana should follow this.

But Sir, again it's very unfortunate that our own people stand in front of us.

[NikhilNehra]

Yes, it is the sorry state of affairs and painful too as we are very quick in putting question marks to others scholarly works but when it comes our turn to reply, we have none and try to escape from back gate pointing fingers at the good work done by someone.

Yes, the bitter truth about us, the Jats.
Sir, is this compulsory to reach a consensus before updating the history. I mean to say that can we take a decision by doing a kind of voting OR with majority of Jat historians/historians/Notables etc, who are with research done by previous scholars/historians. Because in our Jat race it's impossible to reach on 100% consensus.
What do you think?

[DrRajpalSingh]

Yes, the bitter truth about us, the Jats.
Sir, is this compulsory to reach a consensus before updating the history. I mean to say that can we take a decision by doing a kind of voting OR with majority of Jat historians/historians/Notables etc, who are with research done by previous scholars/historians. Because in our Jat race it's impossible to reach on 100% consensus.
What do you think?

No voting of Jats required !

If the scholars interested in reconstruction of Jat History on the basis of latest historical studies they have to put their research papers in reputed research journals with impact factor, in seminars and conferences on history preferably sponsored by ICHR/ICSSR/UGC/Govt of India or State Government, Conference organised by Indian History Congress, Conferences organised by state and regional history groups/associations and so on. In these meets professional historians drawn from India and abroad too participate. They will assess the findings of each scholars and give valuable comments to improve, if necessary. Then the papers/proceedings are published and get wide circulation.

Unanimity or dissension of a few Jat scholars carries no conviction in such big platforms and the newer facts on any aspect of historical studies automatically draw attention of the Text book authors/editors.

If sustained efforts are made by individual or group of Jat scholars in this manner will definitely lead to incorporation of desired changes in times to come, otherwise, useless pointing fingers at the shortcomings of the present text books without putting forward authenticated changes for consideration of the editorial boards for incorporation, will take us nowhere.

Thanks

[drssrana2003]

Names of Porus, Kanishka, Famous Gupta dynasty [Dharan Gotra Jats], Harshavardhana of Virka clan may also be included as Jat rulers of yore after making historical facts clearer by producing irrefutable evidences to support the claim.

Dr. Rajpal ji,

I weould like to be enlightened regarding the historical source/ evidence that describes harshavardhana asd a 'Virka'. Kindly respond.