Meat: Healthy or Unhealthy ?

[mhundpuriamann]

:rockhey ! why u ppl are so much confused ,

i request all vegitarians to try a gud chicken dish anywhere outside ( as they can't prepare at home ) then ask yourself ! we get life only once and we keep ourselves busy in such silly things , what is good to eat and what is not !

osho used to say if u r confused for a thing to do or not then just do it , it will enrich ur experience . atleast u would come to know that you should not have done this ! isn't this amazing theory !

hey ! jat guys ( who are veg ) just look at urself and look at ur fore fathers , they were just giants in front of us ( physique wise ) what has happened to us , do you know ?

foods are changed , they (old jats ) used to drink lot of lot of butter milk , semi liquid bajra dishes ( i don't know the names ) , dalia, khidree and all things were without impurities . what we are on today only "roties" and rice .
see the jats in iran , pakistan and and indian punjab they are all non veg and see rajasthanee jats they are veg all of them have good health because rjasthaanee are still with there conventional food habits.( bikaner side ) and see the jats of haryana ! they are veg but eat non veg sometimes to "enjoy" . and please forgive me for this "they are nowhere"

i just wanna say that please encourage non veg . for the sake of you yourself. encourage ur knowns to keep chiknes in houses and in fields .

see , once somebody asked VIVEKANAND that whether he should spend his time on reading gita or playing football , do you know what he said ? first go in football field , after getting strong you should read gita . swami vivekanand by himself used to encourage the indians to eat meat self .

just use ur simple common sense .

[Nishantrathi82]

:rockhey ! why u ppl are so much confused ,

i request all vegitarians to try a gud chicken dish anywhere outside ( as they can't prepare at home ) then ask yourself ! we get life only once and we keep ourselves busy in such silly things , what is good to eat and what is not !

osho used to say if u r confused for a thing to do or not then just do it , it will enrich ur experience . atleast u would come to know that you should not have done this ! isn't this amazing theory !

hey ! jat guys ( who are veg ) just look at urself and look at ur fore fathers , they were just giants in front of us ( physique wise ) what has happened to us , do you know ?

foods are changed , they (old jats ) used to drink lot of lot of butter milk , semi liquid bajra dishes ( i don't know the names ) , dalia, khidree and all things were without impurities . what we are on today only "roties" and rice .
see the jats in iran , pakistan and and indian punjab they are all non veg and see rajasthanee jats they are veg all of them have good health because rjasthaanee are still with there conventional food habits.( bikaner side ) and see the jats of haryana ! they are veg but eat non veg sometimes to "enjoy" . and please forgive me for this "they are nowhere"

i just wanna say that please encourage non veg . for the sake of you yourself. encourage ur knowns to keep chiknes in houses and in fields .

see , once somebody asked VIVEKANAND that whether he should spend his time on reading gita or playing football , do you know what he said ? first go in football field , after getting strong you should read gita . swami vivekanand by himself used to encourage the indians to eat meat self .

just use ur simple common sense .

Things prepared by killing someone can never be good.

[mhundpuriamann]

Things prepared by killing someone can never be good.

give some logic behind it brother !
ok let's assume of your younger brother or your son (imaginary :-) ) what you would like , he should be stronger and more confident in life or simply a regular skinny guy which is veg. and just a "good" guy ? don't put your mind ! just ask yourself .

[Nishantrathi82]

give some logic behind it brother !
ok let's assume of your younger brother or your son (imaginary :-) ) what you would like , he should be stronger and more confident in life or simply a regular skinny guy which is veg. and just a "good" guy ? don't put your mind ! just ask yourself .

Hoho so want to say that people who are veggie r dull and nonveg are more stronger and confident its a news for me dear.
Here are some facts which advocates for breing a vegetarian-

1-You'll live a lot longer. Vegetarians live about seven years longer, and vegans (who eat no animal products) about 15 years longer than meat eaters, according to a study from Loma Linda University. These findings are backed up by the China Health Project (the largest population study on diet and health to date), which found that Chinese people who eat the least amount of fat and animal products have the lowest risks of cancer, heart attack and other chronic degenerative diseases. And a British study that tracked 6,000 vegetarians and 5,000 meat eaters for 12 years found that vegetarians were 40 percent less likely to die from cancer during that time and 20 percent less likely to die from other diseases.

2 You'll save your heart. Cardiovascular disease is still the number one killer in the United States, and the standard American diet (SAD) that's laden with saturated fat and cholesterol from meat and dairy is largely to blame. Children as young as age 3 who are raised on fast food and junk food show early signs of heart disease, according to the Bogalusa Heart Study done at the Louisiana State University. Cardiovascular disease is found in one in nine women aged 45 to 64 and in one in three women over 65. Heart attacks are also deadlier to the fairer sex: 53 percent of women who have heart attacks die from them, compared with 47 percent of men. Today, the average American male eating a meat-based diet has a 50 percent chance of dying from heart disease. His risk drops to 15 percent if he cuts out meat; it goes to 4 percent if he cuts out meat, dairy and eggs. Partly responsible is the fact that fruits and vegetables are full of antioxidant nutrients that protect the heart and its arteries. Plus, produce contains no saturated fat or cholesterol. Incidentally, cholesterol levels for vegetarians are 14 percent lower than meat eaters.
3-Your bones will last longer. The average bone loss for a vegetarian woman at age 65 is 18 percent; for non-vegetarian women, it's double that. Researchers attribute this to the consumption of excess protein--the average meat-eating American woman eats 144 percent over the recommended daily allowance; the average man eats 175 percent more.
4-You may get rid of your back problems. "Back pain appears to begin, not in the back, but in the arteries," says Neil Barnard, M.D., president of the Physicians Committee for Responsible Medicine and author of Foods That Fight Pain (Harmony Books, 1998). "The degeneration of disks, for instance, which leads to nerves being pinched, starts with the arteries leading to the back." Eating a plant-based diet keeps these arteries clear of cholesterol-causing blockages to help maintain a healthy back


If you need more i can give you lot of links so wake up dude :p

[dkumars]

:rockhey ! why u ppl are so much confused ,

just use ur simple common sense .

So, u feel u r not confused?
Well, I don say anything but It reminds me something ki 'Fools consider rest of the world fool except himself'
Common Sense ... hahaha

give some logic behind it brother !
ok let's assume of your younger brother or your son (imaginary :-) ) what you would like , he should be stronger and more confident in life or simply a regular skinny guy which is veg. and just a "good" guy ? don't put your mind ! just ask yourself .

Respected Osho's follower ji,

Who said veggies are skinny ??? Would like to try ur hands with Sushil Kumar, the Olympic bronze medalist and many other vegg wrestlers or even wud like to compete a few village guys who are veggies? Or do u thing u r stronger than ur ancestors???

Same suggestion to u too. Dont put ur mind and preach. U like non veg then go and have one more plate of butter chicken. Discussion is abt 'whether meat is gud or not'. Its not abt veggies lack something or not.

And Osho ... hahahaha .. he was a freak.
Chill dude have chicken, muttin, pork, beaf, venison or even repltiles... all ur wish but please dont preach others to eat all that.

[mhundpuriamann]

So, u feel u r not confused?
Well, I don say anything but It reminds me something ki 'Fools consider rest of the world fool except himself'
Common Sense ... hahaha



Respected Osho's follower ji,

Who said veggies are skinny ??? Would like to try ur hands with Sushil Kumar, the Olympic bronze medalist and many other vegg wrestlers or even wud like to compete a few village guys who are veggies? Or do u thing u r stronger than ur ancestors???

Same suggestion to u too. Dont put ur mind and preach. U like non veg then go and have one more plate of butter chicken. Discussion is abt 'whether meat is gud or not'. Its not abt veggies lack something or not.

And Osho ... hahahaha .. he was a freak.
Chill dude have chicken, muttin, pork, beaf, venison or even repltiles... all ur wish but please dont preach others to eat all that.

:rockyou are very much right brother that there are so many jat guys , even non jat guys who are stronger than any non vegitarian . ok i accept !

but see i was not talking about the particular cases , am huge fan of sushil i knew him before his olympic medal . i used to watch his wrestling frequently . my father was a medal winner player and he was pure veg he has not eaten a single egg throughout his life .

but u know i was trying to generalising the things , u know what is the diet schedule of SUSHIL KUMAR and all of your village wresrtlers , they drink plenty , plenty of milk which normal boys can't afford daily . this is fact accept it . am saying this because i have seen this , it's very easy to disscuss whether milk is good or chicken , i know milk is far better than chiken , but the point is that normal people can't afford that much daily.
we should think a practically way .

i know topic was whether non-veg is good or veg. but brother i felt that i should tell what i know best upto my level that's why i was trying to force everyone to eat non veg. see this is "jat fitratt" to interfere in everything whether ppl like or not .

u were telling a few examples like sushil kumar and something like that but i'll give examples of nations . see china , they have come mainly on non veg istead of rice because of improved economy. now see their heights average height improvement has been registered , have u seen average chinese young men now a days they are taller than your haryanvi jat guys (average ) , this is all because of change in diet .

aur rahee baat osho ki , osho ne apnee taraf se kuchh bhee nahee kahaa
he just forwarded the message of gautam buddha like an email message .

have u ever heard his speech in hindi . just listen him then come brother it's very easy very easy indeed to say anything about anyone , like i can say "what is sushil kumar and bijender singh , they are nothing " but i know what it would reflect about me it would tell that i don't know the ABC of wrestling neither boxing , am just talking in air just in air nothing else.

[dkumars]

:rockyou are very much right brother that there are so many jat guys , even non jat guys who are stronger than any non vegitarian . ok i accept !

but see i was not talking about the particular cases , am huge fan of sushil i knew him before his olympic medal . i used to watch his wrestling frequently . my father was a medal winner player and he was pure veg he has not eaten a single egg throughout his life .

but u know i was trying to generalising the things , u know what is the diet schedule of SUSHIL KUMAR and all of your village wresrtlers , they drink plenty , plenty of milk which normal boys can't afford daily . this is fact accept it . am saying this because i have seen this , it's very easy to disscuss whether milk is good or chicken , i know milk is far better than chiken , but the point is that normal people can't afford that much daily.
we should think a practically way .

i know topic was whether non-veg is good or veg. but brother i felt that i should tell what i know best upto my level that's why i was trying to force everyone to eat non veg. see this is "jat fitratt" to interfere in everything whether ppl like or not .

u were telling a few examples like sushil kumar and something like that but i'll give examples of nations . see china , they have come mainly on non veg istead of rice because of improved economy. now see their heights average height improvement has been registered , have u seen average chinese young men now a days they are taller than your haryanvi jat guys (average ) , this is all because of change in diet .

aur rahee baat osho ki , osho ne apnee taraf se kuchh bhee nahee kahaa
he just forwarded the message of gautam buddha like an email message .

have u ever heard his speech in hindi . just listen him then come brother it's very easy very easy indeed to say anything about anyone , like i can say "what is sushil kumar and bijender singh , they are nothing " but i know what it would reflect about me it would tell that i don't know the ABC of wrestling neither boxing , am just talking in air just in air nothing else.

Jats are still not so poor that they cant efford milk and go for chicken.
I am quite happy to be a pure veg also at the same time I m far stronbger than my counterparts. Sushil is stronger because that is his profession. He needs that much of diest. An ordinary man doesnt require such heave diet including 5-10 litres of milk a day.

Meat can never be responsible for height. Height and such things are hereditary and controlled by genes. I heard most of the America and even whole west prefer beaf and that is much more nutritious. So, how many guys eat beaf??? I guess mand dont... y ??? If the reason is we consider cow as mother then same for veggies not to eat non veg. If non veg guys can be eually healthy as beaf eaters then why not vegs cud be as healthy as non vegs.

Well, I dont find any difference here. I can court 100s of examples(if neccessary) where veggies lead and are second to none.


Osho... I have almost watched all his UTube Videos. He thought differently and out of box. But i dodn like his philosophy so for me hez just a freak.... merely an freak oldie, sathiaya hua.:rolleyes:


Enjoy ur non veg dude but why to recommend others??? If they like they will eat and if not then they will still maintain a distance... its as simple as that.

[arvind1069]

animal protein is necessary for good health and body development.
but that has to be taken from milk and other dairy products. not meat.

its a myth that meat eaters are stronger than vegetarians. totally wrong notion. look at old desi wrestlers, they drink milk, badam, roti, dals, fruit and vegetables. dara singh, gama pehalwan etc were shakahaari.

aur kya bhim, krishan, balram, hanumaan kya chicken ya beef khaya karte the? unse adhik balwaan koi kya hoga...

[arvind1069]

I wuld say a healthy diet is fruits and vegetables, and white meat not red meat. Chicken and fish is good meat, chicken should be eaten without skin as it is rich in cholesterol, which is especially not good for older people, i.e above 40 yrs.
Fish is an excellent source of omega acids which are good for neurons in the human body.
Red meat is just bad.
Meri family me sub vegeterian hai (meri 3 bhen ur mummy) magar main aur papa kabhi kabhi chicken ya fish kha lete hain. I think vegeterians are healthy but i think people who eat mostly fruit and veges and occasionally eat chicken or fish are healthier.

meat is not healthy, and no body eats meat for health. everybody eats for his/her 6 inch tongue taste. so dont give any logic that meat is healthy. people eat only for taste. kisi ka gala cheer diya gaya aur hame swaad nahi aaya. vah bhai vah kya yehi daya aur insaniyat hai.

[Nishantrathi82]

meat is not healthy, and no body eats meat for health. everybody eats for his/her 6 inch tongue taste. so dont give any logic that meat is healthy. people eat only for taste. kisi ka gala cheer diya gaya aur hame swaad nahi aaya. vah bhai vah kya yehi daya aur insaniyat hai.

[arvind1069]

ek baar jaroor aana....ethical concern ..pain er killing ka bhi concept clear hovega........

how will u clear this concept of ethical killing brother?

[rajivsp]

meat is not healthy, and no body eats meat for health. everybody eats for his/her 6 inch tongue taste. so dont give any logic that meat is healthy. people eat only for taste. kisi ka gala cheer diya gaya aur hame swaad nahi aaya. vah bhai vah kya yehi daya aur insaniyat hai.

do u have enough evidences to prove what you said??????????????Every moment we are taking lives of many creatures knowingly or without knowing that.

[rakeshsehrawat]

meat is not healthy, and no body eats meat for health. everybody eats for his/her 6 inch tongue taste. so dont give any logic that meat is healthy. people eat only for taste. kisi ka gala cheer diya gaya aur hame swaad nahi aaya. vah bhai vah kya yehi daya aur insaniyat hai.

6 inch?????????????



ar jo jibh 6 inch ki hai to 3-4 inch kat ke khua dyo bera pat jyaga healthy hai ya unhealthy

[sidchhikara]

You should eat meat if you are doing rigorous physical work, body building etc.
Animal protein is better than veg protein for muscle repair and growth, joints, it also has calcium. Since we are primarily a vegetarian country, most people have less proportion of muscle in their body.

It is important to note that the meat you eat should be of good quality which means the animals should've been raised in a hygeinic manner and the meat packaging should also have been a hygeinic procedure. For eg.. there are some desi farms who raise pigs and feed them all kinds of dirt (gooh!), that is not good.

You can also take protein supplements if you do strenous exercise. Whey Protein is quite good.

[poonam]

This is correct.

Only downside of eating meat is its emerging connection with cancer. Multiple studies have shown that meat eaters are at higher risk of cancer. It has also been published that for certain type of cancers, red meat (pork, lamb, beef)consumption possibly increases the risk.

But again, as it is with any sort of food, eating in moderation would propably wont hurt.. (I, myself, enjoy non-veg..but has to be occasionally)

Eat healthy!

You should eat meat if you are doing rigorous physical work, body building etc.
Animal protein is better than veg protein for muscle repair and growth, joints, it also has calcium. Since we are primarily a vegetarian country, most people have less proportion of muscle in their body.

It is important to note that the meat you eat should be of good quality which means the animals should've been raised in a hygeinic manner and the meat packaging should also have been a hygeinic procedure. For eg.. there are some desi farms who raise pigs and feed them all kinds of dirt (gooh!), that is not good.

You can also take protein supplements if you do strenous exercise. Whey Protein is quite good.

[sidchhikara]

This is correct.

Only downside of eating meat is its emerging connection with cancer. Multiple studies have shown that meat eaters are at higher risk of cancer. It has also been published that for certain type of cancers, red meat (pork, lamb, beef)consumption possibly increases the risk.

But again, as it is with any sort of food, eating in moderation would propably wont hurt.. (I, myself, enjoy non-veg..but has to be occasionally)

Eat healthy!

The biologist has spoken, I rest my case.

I think the Daily Value of protein required depends on weight.

Check out this link for info....

http://www.healthline.com/hlbook/nut...n-requirements

Typically, the most common animal protein have the following values

Egg - 7g/oz
Chicken - 7g/oz
Beef - 7g/oz
Ostrich meat - 10g/oz

Poonam, do you know the relationship between protein consumption and rate of metabolism? Does an increased metabolic rate mean reduced body fat?

[sidchhikara]

oh crap! I checked the price for GNC 100% Whey Protein supplement in India - Rs. 5999. That is 3 times of whats in the US. I guess the government has it under super luxury item and its taxed at 200%. It is sad that all that tax money will go to lalloo, mayawati, sharad pawar's Swiss bank account. They just drank 2/3rd of your protein shake.

[sumeetmalik]

oh crap! I checked the price for GNC 100% Whey Protein supplement in India - Rs. 5999. That is 3 times of whats in the US. I guess the government has it under super luxury item and its taxed at 200%. It is sad that all that tax money will go to lalloo, mayawati, sharad pawar's Swiss bank account. They just drank 2/3rd of your protein shake.

lol. Sid you and your tax theories...hahaha

[poonam]

Hahahaha.....no no.. you are allowed to speak your heart.....permission granted...:D

As regards to protein intake and metabolism, I know that increased protein intake increases your fat metabolism rate. Proteins are difficult to metabolize compared to carbs, increasing your metabolism and in turn burning fat. But, its better to have smaller frequent protein rich meals than few big ones to avoid losing muscle mass due to starvation induced response!

The biologist has spoken, I rest my case.

I think the Daily Value of protein required depends on weight.

Check out this link for info....

http://www.healthline.com/hlbook/nut...n-requirements

Typically, the most common animal protein have the following values

Egg - 7g/oz
Chicken - 7g/oz
Beef - 7g/oz
Ostrich meat - 10g/oz

Poonam, do you know the relationship between protein consumption and rate of metabolism? Does an increased metabolic rate mean reduced body fat?

[sidchhikara]

lol. Sid you and your tax theories...hahaha

Hahaha !
I think I heard this dialog between Chris Tucker and Jackie Chan in Rush hour - CT said "Follow the money, it will lead to a white man" .... No disrespect to poor white trash. Anyway, I think Switzerland is all white.
Most Indians work for Switzerland for free and they dont even know it.
Though it might sound like a conspiracy theory on the surface, but Mahatma Gandhi would agree with me.