Page 2 of 4 FirstFirst 1 2 3 4 LastLast
Results 21 to 40 of 70

Thread: 1857 A.D. – Martyrs of Haryana

  1. #21
    Email Verification Pending
    Login to view details.
    Quote Originally Posted by jitendershooda View Post
    Thanks a lot Deshwal ji for sharing.

    Isse isse to apne Rohtak side bhi hein. Aisa hi kuch ... Bhalothia LalChand ke bare mein suna hai ... aur Seth lala kishan das ke poorvajon ne Bhagat Singh ke khilaf gavahi di thi.

    Please put some light on this also.
    Bhai hooda
    I dont know from where this crap arises but lalchand was never be a witness against Bhagat Singh! If u can show me nywhere in history books than i will accept it. Infact Lalchand was a top Lawyer in his days and he helped Sir ChotuRAm everywhere in terms of money. He was theone who financed Sir chotuRam's election.

    Abhimanyu Phougat

  2. #22
    Abhimanyu,,,,even i have heard the same rumors, dont know if they are true,,,,but these are very strong rumors. and might have some base also,,,,,,,,

    the otherthing i have heard about Lalchand is that he misappropriated the the funds from Raja Surajmal's coffer. Raja Surajmal or his descendents' coffers,,,,,

    Quote Originally Posted by positivelook View Post
    Bhai hooda
    I dont know from where this crap arises but lalchand was never be a witness against Bhagat Singh! If u can show me nywhere in history books than i will accept it. Infact Lalchand was a top Lawyer in his days and he helped Sir ChotuRAm everywhere in terms of money. He was theone who financed Sir chotuRam's election.

    Abhimanyu Phougat

  3. #23
    Email Verification Pending
    Login to view details.
    Quote Originally Posted by sachinb View Post
    Abhimanyu,,,,even i have heard the same rumors, dont know if they are true,,,,but these are very strong rumors. and might have some base also,,,,,,,,

    the otherthing i have heard about Lalchand is that he misappropriated the the funds from Raja Surajmal's coffer. Raja Surajmal or his descendents' coffers,,,,,
    Funds kee baat jo hai vo kuch had tak theek hai kyonki Lalchand also served as Wazir in Bhartpur Riyasat and he got the funds from Bharatpur riyasat may be some khazana or so. But rumuors abt witnessing against Bhagat Singh are Baseless.
    When Lalchan died and it was somewhere in 1962 or so and Partap Singh kairon was the CM of joint punjab and he also came to Bhalout on the death of Lalchand, so how is it possible that a sikh CM come to the funeral of a person who was a witness against another freedom fighter hero especiall when he was Sikh. Well i have explained wht i know and truth.

    Abhimanyu Phougat

  4. #24
    Deswal Ji most of your thread are very long and take a long time to read properly but they are full of knowledge and have a new thing to be related to and really worth a readfelt good reading and written so beautifully
    I AM WHAT I AM....JAT.... 16X2=8

  5. #25

    Thumbs up

    Deswal ji
    Really very informative posts, full of knowledge
    Thanks for sharing.
    Regards,
    Vineeta Kadian

  6. #26

    deshwal saab , kalanaur me thakuro ka nahi nawab ka kolaa puja jata thha. aur dushri baat"kalanaur ka kolaa puja pratha " kolla ka matlab hain mukhye darwaje ke dono taraf ke hisse, jisko waha se gujarnewali nai naweli dulhan ko nawab ki kothi (gadi) ke darwaje ke saath deepak jalakar saath patasse rakhkar dono taraf koloo par pani ke chhintte markar puja karni padti thhi. iske elawa jo batlate hain sab kori bakwas hain , jiske parman hain. Ch.Surajmal Sangwan ne bi iska pura varnan apni kitaab 'sangrash aur vidhroh' me kiya hain.
    Last edited by satyeshwar; November 15th, 2008 at 11:11 AM. Reason: removing DND's quote as it was incorrect
    " जाट हारा नहीं कभी रण में तीर तोप तलवारों से ,
    जाट तो हारा हैं , गद्दारों से दरबारों से
    |"

    " इस कौम का ईलाही दुखड़ा किसे सुनाऊ ?
    डर हैं के इसके गम में घुल घुल के न मर जाऊँ || "
    ...........................चौ.छोटूराम ओहल्याण

  7. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by raka View Post
    deshwal saab , kalanaur me thakuro ka nahi nawab ka kolaa puja jata thha. Aur dushri baat"kalanaur ka kolaa puja pratha " kolla ka matlab hain mukhye darwaje ke dono taraf ke hisse, jisko waha se gujarnewali nai naweli dulhan ko nawab ki kothi (gadi) ke darwaje ke saath deepak jalakar saath patasse rakhkar dono taraf koloo par pani ke chhintte markar puja karni padti thhi. Iske elawa jo batlate hain sab kori bakwas hain , jiske parman hain. Ch.surajmal sangwan ne bi iska pura varnan apni kitaab 'sangrash aur vidhroh' me kiya hain.
    बात तो सही है राकेश, पर लिखने वाले ने जैसा लेख लिखा है, मैने उसको हूबहू यहां कापी किया है । वैसे यहां पर "ठाकुरों" का मतलब कलानौर के रांघड़ों (मुसलमान राजपूतों) से है जो उस जमाने में वहां रहते थे । सन् 1947 में वे सब वहां से पाकिस्तान में चले गये ।
    .
    Last edited by dndeswal; November 13th, 2008 at 08:18 AM.
    तमसो मा ज्योतिर्गमय

  8. #28
    Deshwal saab , m aapke gyaan ka kayal hu , aur aapne ye thread par inn gumnaam veero ke bare me likh kar hamari iss nai piddi ko achhi jankari di hain. par meri aap se iltjaah hain ki pahle aap usko achhi tarah se pad kar fir likhe jaise yaha thakur ko hamare kai bhai rajput samajte , aur asal me hum rajputo ko hi thakur kahte hain. copy karne ke saath saath aap agar alag se likh de to aur behtar hoga , kolaa pujne ka aarth sawami ji ne bilkul galat bataya hain. pahle hi hum aapne itihaas ke galat parchar se dukhi hain.
    " जाट हारा नहीं कभी रण में तीर तोप तलवारों से ,
    जाट तो हारा हैं , गद्दारों से दरबारों से
    |"

    " इस कौम का ईलाही दुखड़ा किसे सुनाऊ ?
    डर हैं के इसके गम में घुल घुल के न मर जाऊँ || "
    ...........................चौ.छोटूराम ओहल्याण

  9. #29
    Thanks Rakesh for clearing this out. Deshwal ji aapke yaad ho to aapne pahelyan bhi apne ek natak mein yo likhya tha. Tab bhi dimag mein aai thi ki ye kya baat hui .... Itne jaton ke gaon hote hue bhi aisa karam. Rakesh/Deshwal ji please put some more light on this Kolla thing .... kab se kab tak raha ye sab ... aur kisne kisne paryas kiye isko todne ke?

    Ranghad - Musalman Rajpoot - Lekin Thakar to aaj bhi hein wahan un gaon mein .... like Kelanga etc. So are they the same Musalman Rajpoots? As Their names are hindu.
    Last edited by satyeshwar; November 15th, 2008 at 11:12 AM. Reason: removing original quotes as they were based off a rumor

  10. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by raka View Post
    Deshwal saab , m aapke gyaan ka kayal hu , aur aapne ye thread par inn gumnaam veero ke bare me likh kar hamari iss nai piddi ko achhi jankari di hain. par meri aap se iltjaah hain ki pahle aap usko achhi tarah se pad kar fir likhe jaise yaha thakur ko hamare kai bhai rajput samajte , aur asal me hum rajputo ko hi thakur kahte hain. copy karne ke saath saath aap agar alag se likh de to aur behtar hoga , kolaa pujne ka aarth sawami ji ne bilkul galat bataya hain. pahle hi hum aapne itihaas ke galat parchar se dukhi hain.
    Quote Originally Posted by jitendershooda View Post
    Thanks Rakesh for clearing this out. Deshwal ji aapke yaad ho to aapne pahelyan bhi apne ek natak mein yo likhya tha. Tab bhi dimag mein aai thi ki ye kya baat hui .... Itne jaton ke gaon hote hue bhi aisa karam. Rakesh/Deshwal ji please put some more light on this Kolla thing .... kab se kab tak raha ye sab ... aur kisne kisne paryas kiye isko todne ke?

    Ranghad - Musalman Rajpoot - Lekin Thakar to aaj bhi hein wahan un gaon mein .... like Kelanga etc. So are they the same Musalman Rajpoots? As Their names are hindu.

    Dear Rakesh and Jitu,

    I think this part need not be discussed any further. The reason is that this particular story (Kalanaur incident) has nothing to do with 1857 events, the title of this thread. This incident reportedly happened much after 1857. Hence, this paragraph about Kalanaur has now been removed from the relevant post. I would try to put this and a few more incidents in another thread after some time, elaborating the situation at that time, based on some written material in the past.

    Please wait for the next article in this series (Jhajjar ke Nawab) which will be posted in this thread in a day or two.
    .
    तमसो मा ज्योतिर्गमय

  11. #31
    Deshwal ji,,,,ye Kola pujne waali baatein agar sahi nahi hai to phir hamein aisa likhne waale ke samaksh rakhna chaahiye taaki atam-samman ko chot na lagi,,,,,,,

    Aisi baatein Kalanaur ilaake ko hi nahi balki puri Jat jaati ko badnaam karti hain,,,,,,,Jat hamesha se in sab baato ko ghor virodh karne waale jaane jaate rahe hain,,,,Jato ne kabhi Musalman shashako ke aage ghutne nahi teke aur nahi apni ladkiya unko byaahi

    Quote Originally Posted by dndeswal View Post
    बात तो सही है राकेश, पर लिखने वाले ने जैसा लेख लिखा है, मैने उसको हूबहू यहां कापी किया है । वैसे यहां पर "ठाकुरों" का मतलब कलानौर के रांघड़ों (मुसलमान राजपूतों) से है जो उस जमाने में वहां रहते थे । सन् 1947 में वे सब वहां से पाकिस्तान में चले गये ।
    .

  12. #32
    Musalman jab yahan they kalanaur ke aas paas kae gaon they unke. To kaisa mahol tha? Ye kolla poojan karne kon kon se gaon jate they jaton ke .... kisne inka virodh kiya ... Jaisa ki Deshwal Saab ne pahele batya tha ki koe pahelwan tha jisne mara tha unko ...

    I have heard that Dada Panju from Kiloi also did something against muslims of Rohtak. GaoKaran talab rohtak pe unko marya gaya tha. Rajesh Hooda can share with us complete about this.

    Also Kasai Chowk par musalmano ka garh hota tha ... jahan Khidwali gaon ke kisi pahelwan ne jake unko mara tha. Mhare te guhand mein Kahni tha isa gaon ... aur sunte hein ki wahan ke log to chor-uchakke hote they ... aisa kabhi to nahi suna unke bare mein ...

    Ek baat aur aati hai man mein ... ki jab hum 1800 ki batein aache se nahi jante to ye aadi-kal ki jat history jisko hum surname-name jod jod ke bana rahe hein, kahan tak sahi hai?

    Some where I have read by Ravi Chaudhary ... that we must write with proof. Without proof to hum kahin nahi defend kar sakte.

  13. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by jitendershooda View Post
    Ranghad - Musalman Rajpoot - Lekin Thakar to aaj bhi hein wahan un gaon mein .... like Kelanga etc. So are they the same Musalman Rajpoots? As Their names are hindu.
    Rangar is a social group that comprises Rajputs converted to muslim religion and illegitimate sons and Orphans of Muslim invaders who were brought up in mosques by maulvis .

    Earlier elders people used to call Muslims 'Gades'(FOR THEIR BURIAL(GADNA) OF DEAD ,so rajput who accepted were called rajput gade or ragars(pronounced as Ragads) which changed to rangars .

    As far as your enquiry about position of Jats v/s these rajputs in an around Kelnga a rajput village,Though according to Bhats Jats came here later but once they settled they dominated these Rajputs and imposed strict conditions on Rajputs and forced ancesstors of Rajputs of Kailanga to become Bhat or Jogis if they want to live in these villages .
    This shows complete dominance of Jats in their villages.

    I will post an article regarding that .
    Last edited by narenderkharb; November 14th, 2008 at 07:19 PM.

  14. #34
    The khaas baat about Farmana Khaas



    Some of the village communities in Haryana like those at Farmana Khaas are fairly old and offer unique opportunities to the study of rural life in this part of the country. Besides struggling consistently against the vagaries of nature to raise crops and rear cattle, the villagers paid special attention towards works of art and traditional Indian architecture in the later Mughal period.

    Although the Jats have been in continuous possession of whole of this village estate for only about four centuries, it was originally settled by Panwar Rajputs in the late 12th century. About 950 years ago, one Kalu Singh Parmar (now called Panwar) is said to have come to Dilli from Ujjain when evicted by southern kings. His son, Ratey, was awarded a large estate west of Rohtak by Chauhan kings of Dilli wherewith he founded Kalanaur, now a small town on the Bhiwani-Rohtak state highway. Ratey had two sons, Uddha and Dhamma. These sons and their heirs founded several villages in the neighbourhood.

    Farmana Khaas was founded in mid-13th century by Dhamma near a large old mound already known as ‘Khaas’. Earlier, after decades of occupation by unknown people, the settlement at ‘Khaas’ was said to have been abandoned, the proof of which was occasionally found by archaeologists from time to time in the form of large size bricks and pottery.
    The second settlement of the Panwars remained small for nearly 15 generations. It is said that around 1580 A.D a Jat named Nehbal Saharan, who arrived from Bhairang in Rajasthan, settled close to ‘Khera Khaas’, and named it as ‘Girauri Khera’. Both, the Panwars and Saharans seemed to have lived peacefully for several centuries until Bani Singh Manderna’s arrival here. Once in later Moghul period when anarchy was the order of day, a group of seven Jat villages, known till today as ‘Satrol’, collectively attacked ‘Khera Khaas’ with the intention of plundering and winning territory. Bani Singh Manderna, who was grazing a large herd of cattle in the vicinity of ‘Khera Khaas’, which was, by an order of Emperor Shahjehan, already known as Farmana Khaas, smelt trouble. The attackers, called Dharees in local slang, were repulsed by Bani Singh alone. He used tricks and threats to counter their designs.

    Bani Singh asked for two things: grant of a natural water tank called ‘Jauna Aala’ and a ‘Dom’, a sort of a Bhat. While doing so, the Thakurs ordained that henceforth he would celebrate the festival of Divali only when the Dom sings his praise by presenting himself at his doors on the day of Govardhan Pooja, locally called Girree. In case the Dom abstains, bad luck would fall upon his descendants and the lineage would cease to exist. Thus, it was how a Manderna Jat established his foothold at Farmana Khaas.

    What happened until 1580 AD is hard to chronicle since even Pirthee Laree, 80, the most reliable oral source of history about this settlement among Saharan Jats could not sufficienty recall the intervening events. He, however, felt that the Thakurs of the village and the descendants of Bani Singh Manderna could not have lived cordially. Since the Khera was saved from a ‘Dhaar’ (a group of attackers) by a Manderna Jat, the Thakurs could have thought it proper to bestow the whole village estate to the Mandernas and leave forever to settle in Kelanga, a nearby village of their own fraternity.
    Mandernas then invited Nehbal Saharan to forget Girauri Khera and join them at Farmana Khaas. Since those times, both the Saharans and the Mandernas have been living amicably at Farmana Khaas.

    The Panwar villages now lie south-west of Farmana Khaas among which Kelanga is prominent and with whom its relations since the early days were never cordial. Till a 150 years ago, tensions ran high between the two villages on account of territorial claims.

    Not all the Panwars could leave Farmana Khaas at the time the estate was bestowed on Bani Singh Manderna. A few families preferred to staywith the Jats. In order to avoid future trouble, an enigmatic proposition was put forth by the Jats. "If the Rajputs wanted to stay back", it was said, "they could do so only by converting themselves to Jogis." This is a class slightly inferior in status but otherwise honourable. They could also retain the right to landed property. The Rajputs had no option but to accept this proposition. Thereafter, these Panwar Rajput Jogis admitted themselves to ‘Jangam Sampradaya’. The transition from the Rajput traditions to that of Jogi traditions was not easy. But the Rajputs had accepted the terms and, therefore, learnt to not only sing devotional songs in praise of Lord Shiva but also soon became adept at teaching the old Devanagri script. They became ‘Padhas’, traditional teachers. These Padhas or Jangam Jogis earlier used to live in Dara Shikohpur on the western side of the village, i.e., towards Kelanga, but fearing attacks on the eastern border of the village by Ranghars of Bainsi, the Jats settled these Jogis on the eastern side and secured it. The logic being that the Ranghars (Rajput converts to Islam) would never attack Jangam Jogis who are also Panwar Rajputs. The trick worked.

    Since the Jogis now do not live in Patti Dara Shikohpur, a sub-division of the village, they can accept alms from the whole of the village,except their own patti.

    Jat villagers are like small republics; always oblivious to whatever is happening beyond their territories or whosoever ruled Hindostan as long as nobody intervened in their routine chores and challenged their existence. Local rivalries and skirmishes between Jats and Rajputs or between various Jat tribes/sub-castes (Khaps) were of little consequence to the powerful kings, be they Muslims, Turks, Mughals or the Nawabs.

    Like other big villages, Farmana Khaas ran its own economy. It produced enough grain for its needs. Several menial and other artisan classes live in this village along with Jats, Brahmins and Vaishyas. Until about a 100 years ago, all houses were kuccha. The village habitation lived and still lives in clusters and is settled in a clearly demarcated, yet conjoined, piece of land. The village habitation was, and still is, surrounded by at least three large johads (water bodies) viz., Dobbhi, Dhammaalaa and Jauna Aala which provided a sort of a moat for defending the village. The three ponds can store large volumes of water. But they have now degenerated due to heaps of garbage thrown around them. The whole of the village habitation was once surrounded by a thick forest.Villagers used to take fuel, fodder and medicinal herbs and produce from this forest. The forest has disappeared now.

    The beautifully decorated balcony of Panney ki ChaupalThe most sociable person in the village is Chaudhary Pirthi Saharan, 80, who is also lovingly called Pirthi Laari by his contemporaries. This old sire resides in his ancestoral house on the high mound in the middle of the village near the ‘Bichli Paras’. All Saharans live in the central area running along north-south axis of the village. Mandernas occupy the eastern flank in Dara Shikohpur, while the Jogis and other non-Jats live in the eastern sub division known as Badshahpur. All Saharans call their territory Panna, which is further sub-divided into Dasaans and Bheemaans.


    source: http://www.tribuneindia.com/2000/200...dows/main1.htm
    Last edited by narenderkharb; November 14th, 2008 at 07:16 PM.

  15. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by jitendershooda View Post
    Musalman jab yahan they kalanaur ke aas paas kae gaon they unke. To kaisa mahol tha?kon kon se gaon jate they jaton ke .... kisne inka virodh kiya ... Jaisa ki Deshwal Saab ne pahele batya tha ki koe pahelwan tha jisne mara tha unko ...

    I have heard that Dada Panju from Kiloi also did something against muslims of Rohtak. GaoKaran talab rohtak pe unko marya gaya tha. Rajesh Hooda can share with us complete about this.

    Also Kasai Chowk par musalmano ka garh hota tha ... jahan Khidwali gaon ke kisi pahelwan ne jake unko mara tha. Mhare te guhand mein Kahni tha isa gaon ... aur sunte hein ki wahan ke log to chor-uchakke hote they ... aisa kabhi to nahi suna unke bare mein ...

    Ek baat aur aati hai man mein ... ki jab hum 1800 ki batein aache se nahi jante to ye aadi-kal ki jat history jisko hum surname-name jod jod ke bana rahe hein, kahan tak sahi hai?

    Some where I have read by Ravi Chaudhary ... that we must write with proof. Without proof to hum kahin nahi defend kar sakte.
    bhai jitender , nawab ke khilaf jo sarv khap ki sena thhi uske senapati yodha Ch. Dhelait the , jo Sangwan gottar se the.
    " जाट हारा नहीं कभी रण में तीर तोप तलवारों से ,
    जाट तो हारा हैं , गद्दारों से दरबारों से
    |"

    " इस कौम का ईलाही दुखड़ा किसे सुनाऊ ?
    डर हैं के इसके गम में घुल घुल के न मर जाऊँ || "
    ...........................चौ.छोटूराम ओहल्याण

  16. #36
    Bhiwani me Parmar/Panwar/Pawar rajputo ke kai gaon , jisko khap 32si boolte hain (Parmar gottar ke mukhiya badde bade gaon...Sanwar,Bond,Sanjerwas,Manheru,Kalinga,Khara k,Chang,Rewadi,Sai etc.). Iss 32si me 7gaama ( Imlota, santoor, sawroopgarh, moorwala, samaspur,Bhagvi,Akeri) iske ilawa, Ranila,Sanjerwas phoogat,Nimli , Malpos etc. jo jato ke gaon hain. inn rajputo ka, rajput gaon, ka kalanaur ke kolla partha se koi lena dena nahi hain.
    Last edited by raka; November 14th, 2008 at 09:05 PM.
    " जाट हारा नहीं कभी रण में तीर तोप तलवारों से ,
    जाट तो हारा हैं , गद्दारों से दरबारों से
    |"

    " इस कौम का ईलाही दुखड़ा किसे सुनाऊ ?
    डर हैं के इसके गम में घुल घुल के न मर जाऊँ || "
    ...........................चौ.छोटूराम ओहल्याण

  17. #37
    Forget about Punjab, whose kings and Maharajas at that time proved to be traitors, who helped Britishers in 1857.

    Hum log hamesha brahmanwad ke bahkawe me aake apni hi jaati ke logo se bhedbhav karte hain, ki ye sikh hain ye arya samaji hain, ye punjab ka hain ke ye Up ka hain.
    'Punjab Kesri' Maharaja Ranjeet Singh jab tak we jinda rahe angrejo ki unke raj ki taraf aankh utha kar dekhne ki himmat nahi hui. Lekin 27 june 1839 ko bukhar ke karan iss mahan samrat ka nidhan ho gaya to gadharo ne inka raj anrejo ko sopney me koi kasar nahi chhodi. Punjab ko anrejo ki gulami se bachane ke liye waha ke sikh jat 6 saal tak angrejo se loha lete rahe , lekin gadhari karnewale Sohan Lal Suri ( Hindu Punjabi Khatri) angrejo ka bi vetanbhogi khufia agent bana raha. jo unse 125rs varshik vetan leta thha va Punjab se gadhari aur angrejo se wafadari ki kimmat unke vansaj pension ke taur par 1947 tak vasulte rahe. Raja Ranjeet Singh ke nidhan ke baad Dogra bandhuo Gulab Singh, Dhyaan Singh, aur Suchet Singh jo kabhi Raja ke Pahle sanik aur phir senapati bante chale gaye( 'kashmir in paradise ' kitaab me likha ki ye pahle Maharaja ke Ardhali jo unki maalish kiya karte thhe ), jinhone apni wafadari ka parichye Ranjeet Singh ke vansajo ke saath gadhari karke diya, jisme Jammu ko apni riyasat banane ke liye iss khandan ko tabah karne me koi kasar nahi chhodi , jisme unke chhote bete Dalip Singh ko angrejo ke parro me daal diya.
    Mere khyaal se hamare sikh jat bhaiyo ko gadhar kahna galat hoga...
    jato ke itihaas ke saath inn itihaas karo ne hamesha makhaaol kiya hain , inhone apne itihaas me hamare inn veero ki jagah ek janwar ke bahaduri jyaadha dekhti hain. inka itihaas Chetak ko shaheed aur bhadur kah raha hain jabki janwar kabhi bi shaheed aur bahadur nahi ho sakta. janwar to wafadar aur taqatwar ho sakta hain.
    Last edited by raka; November 14th, 2008 at 11:13 PM.
    " जाट हारा नहीं कभी रण में तीर तोप तलवारों से ,
    जाट तो हारा हैं , गद्दारों से दरबारों से
    |"

    " इस कौम का ईलाही दुखड़ा किसे सुनाऊ ?
    डर हैं के इसके गम में घुल घुल के न मर जाऊँ || "
    ...........................चौ.छोटूराम ओहल्याण

  18. #38
    Quote Originally Posted by jitendershooda View Post
    Musalman jab yahan they kalanaur ke aas paas kae gaon they unke. To kaisa mahol tha? Ye kolla poojan karne kon kon se gaon jate they jaton ke .... kisne inka virodh kiya ... Jaisa ki Deshwal Saab ne pahele batya tha ki koe pahelwan tha jisne mara tha unko ...
    एक मुसलमान "कांसू पहलवान" था जिसको हरफूल जाट जुलाणी वाले ने मारा था । वह भी इसी इलाके में रहता था और गऊ हत्या करता था । कांसू के पांच भाई और थे, उनमें से चार का भी हरफूल ने गोली मार कर काम तमाम कर दिया था । एक ने अपने मुंह में घास लेकर हरफूल के पैर पकड़ लिये और बोला, "हरफूल, मैं तेरी काली गऊ" । उसकी जान बख्श दी थी हरफूल ने । यह घटना शायद 1925-30 के बीच की है ।

    Quote Originally Posted by raka View Post
    Forget about Punjab, whose kings and Maharajas at that time proved to be traitors, who helped Britishers in 1857.

    Hum log hamesha brahmanwad ke bahkawe me aake apni hi jaati ke logo se bhedbhav karte hain, ki ye sikh hain ye arya samaji hain, ye punjab ka hain .
    'Punjab Kesri' Maharaja Ranjeet Singh jab tak we jinda rahe angrejo ki unke raj ki taraf aankh utha kar dekhne ki himmat nahi hui.
    यहां बात जाट सिखों या पंजाब की आम जनता की नहीं हो रही । अगर महाराजा रणजीत सिंह 1857 में जिन्दा होते तो तस्वीर ही दूसरी होती । दुर्भाग्य से 1857 में महाराजा पटियाला, नाभा और जींद (यहां का राजा भी एक सिख था - महाराजा स्वरूप सिंह) इन सब राजाओं ने अंग्रेजों का साथ दिया था और हरयाणा के झज्जर आदि शहरों में महाराजा पटियाला ने फौज भेजी ।

    खुशवन्त सिंह ने अपनी पुस्तक History of Sikhs में लिखा है "हमारे पास रणजीत सिंह सिख राजा के रूप में थे । उम्मीद थी कि खालसा पंथ अपने पूरे रूप में जीवित हो उठेगा परन्तु ऐसा कुछ नहीं हुआ । महाराजा रणजीत सिंह सिख इतिहास के किसी भी दूसरे महाराजा से अधिक पंथनिरपेक्षी साबित हुए । सिख मत के मूल स्वरूप की बजाय उन्होंने हिन्दुत्व के ब्राह्मणवादी स्वरूप को स्वीकार किया । उन्होंने ब्राह्मणों को संरक्षण प्रदान किया, गऊ हत्या के लिए मृत्युदंड निर्धारित किया । उन्होंने गुरुद्वारों में जितनी अरदास की, उतनी ही मंदिरों में पूजा-अर्चना भी । अमृतसर में जिस दरबार साहिब का उन्होंने सोने और संगरमरमर से निर्माण कराया था, उसे कोहिनूर हीरा देने की बजाए उन्होंने पुरी के जगन्नाथ मंदिर में हीरा अर्पित कर दिया । काशमीर को अफगानियों से छुड़वाया । हारे हुए अफगानियों से सोमनाथ मंदिर के किवाड़ वापिस लिए और उनको काशी के विश्वनाथ मंदिर को भेंट में दे दिया ।"

    अंग्रेजों से पहले पंजाब में हिन्दू और सिख की कोई अलग पहचान थी ही नहीं । अंग्रेजों ने 1857 की लड़ाई जीत तो ली पर उन्हें यह बात बखूबी पता थी कि सिर्फ फौज के सहारे वे लंबे समय तक भारत पर राज नहीं कर सकते । इसलिए उन्होंने फूट डालो और राज करो की नीति अपनाई । इस्लामी साम्राज्य तो पहले ही उनका दास बन चुका था, इसलिए हिन्दुओं की एकता को तोड़ना उनके लिए बहुत जरूरी था, हिन्दुओं को अलग-अलग खेमों में बांटने की साजिश की गई । सिख इसी साजिश का शिकार हुए । 1947 में आजादी के बाद भी अंग्रेजों की यह नीति जारी रही और कांग्रेस ने भिंडरावाला जैसे चरमपंथियों को प्रोत्साहित करके अलगाववाद को बढ़ावा दिया जिसके नतीजे में "आप्रेशन ब्लू स्टार" सामने आया । हम अब भी संभल जाएं तो अच्छा है ।

    .
    Last edited by dndeswal; November 15th, 2008 at 04:42 PM.
    तमसो मा ज्योतिर्गमय

  19. #39
    Sant Bhinderewala humesha Indira Gandhi aur Lala Jagat Narayan ke khilaaf boolta thha. inme ek Bahmani thhi to dushra bhappa ( refugee , punjabi) haryana me hum inko punjabi kahte hain, punjab me inko bhappa/pappa kahte hain. ye dono hi kaum hamari jatt kaum ki dushman hain. 1981 ki jangana me inn bhappo ne punjab me apni mattarbhasha HINDI aur Haryana me Punjabi likhwai , kyoki inko minority me rahne me swaad aatta hain. Inn bahmano aur bhappo ki harkato se dukhi aa kar hi Sant ji ugarwad laye , par kabhi koi sikh bhappa ugarwadi nahi bana . Aaj bi Haryana me koi inn se inki jaati puchhta hain to ye apni jaati punjabi batate hain na ki Arora/Khatri/Mehta , inke punjabio ke chakar me hume apne punjabi jatt bhaio se bi nafrat ho gai .Ch.Chhoturam bi hamesha kahte thhe ki punjab me ya to Arora/Khatri rahenge ya Jatt/Khaggar , par aaj inn bhappo ne unki nilli kothi charo taraf se gheer li. 1981 me inn bhappo ki aabadi Haryana me sirf 4% thhi fir 1991 me ye ekdum 33% kaise ho gaye kyoki hamare punjab ke jatt bhaio ne inke laath mar ke waha se bhaga diya , inhone kya parchar kiya ki Hinduo ko marte hain to koi inn se puchhe ki waha se koi Baniya bhag ke kyo nahi aaya ek aadha aaya ho wo alag baat hain inki tarah puri daar ki daar nahi aai. inn bahmano aur bhappo ke iss Hindu sikh ke parchar ke josh me aa kar Swami Adhityadesh ne kaha ki Haryana se ye sikh apna kashaira/parna/kirpan uthao aur yaha se nikal jao. agar swami ji inn bhappo ko yaha se nikal jane ke liye kahte to kitna achha hota. Sant ji ko Khalistan ki jagah Jattistan ki maang karni chahiye thhi.
    iska 1857 se koi lena dena nahi hain par Sant Bhinderewala ka naam aate hi ye bhappe yaad gaye. .Sant Bhinderewala ke marne ke baad uss ladai ko kuchh log galat disha me le gaye.Sant ji ki speech sun lena aur bera pat jya ga..Sant Bhinderewala Brar gottar ke jatt thhe unka gaon Rode zilla Faridkot thha.
    http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD32pV...eature=related

    http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=mObCOb...eature=related

    http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=mdk7jp...eature=related

    http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=e8gTaX...eature=related

    http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=CToXEe...eature=related
    Last edited by raka; November 15th, 2008 at 07:34 PM.
    " जाट हारा नहीं कभी रण में तीर तोप तलवारों से ,
    जाट तो हारा हैं , गद्दारों से दरबारों से
    |"

    " इस कौम का ईलाही दुखड़ा किसे सुनाऊ ?
    डर हैं के इसके गम में घुल घुल के न मर जाऊँ || "
    ...........................चौ.छोटूराम ओहल्याण

  20. #40
    Email Verification Pending
    Login to view details.
    Quote Originally Posted by raka View Post
    Sant Bhinderewala humesha Indira Gandhi aur Lala Jagat Narayan ke khilaaf boolta thha. inme ek Bahmani thhi to dushra bhappa ( refugee , punjabi) haryana me hum inko punjabi kahte hain, punjab me inko bhappa/pappa kahte hain. ye dono hi kaum hamari jatt kaum ki dushman hain. 1981 ki jangana me inn bhappo ne punjab me apni mattarbhasha HINDI aur Haryana me Punjabi likhwai , kyoki inko minority me rahne me swaad aatta hain. Inn bahmano aur bhappo ki harkato se dukhi aa kar hi Sant ji ugarwad laye , par kabhi koi sikh bhappa ugarwadi nahi bana . Aaj bi Haryana me koi inn se inki jaati puchhta hain to ye apni jaati punjabi batate hain na ki Arora/Khatri/Mehta , inke punjabio ke chakar me hume apne punjabi jatt bhaio se bi nafrat ho gai .Ch.Chhoturam bi hamesha kahte thhe ki punjab me ya to Arora/Khatri rahenge ya Jatt/Khaggar , par aaj inn bhappo ne unki nilli kothi charo taraf se gheer li. 1981 me inn bhappo ki aabadi Haryana me sirf 4% thhi fir 1991 me ye ekdum 33% kaise ho gaye kyoki hamare punjab ke jatt bhaio ne inke laath mar ke waha se bhaga diya , inhone kya parchar kiya ki Hinduo ko marte hain to koi inn se puchhe ki waha se koi Baniya bhag ke kyo nahi aaya ek aadha aaya ho wo alag baat hain inki tarah puri daar ki daar nahi aai. inn bahmano aur bhappo ke iss Hindu sikh ke parchar ke josh me aa kar Swami Adhityadesh ne kaha ki Haryana se ye sikh apna kashaira/parna/kirpan uthao aur yaha se nikal jao. agar swami ji inn bhappo ko yaha se nikal jane ke liye kahte to kitna achha hota. Sant ji ko Khalistan ki jagah Jattistan ki maang karni chahiye thhi.
    iska 1857 se koi lena dena nahi hain par Sant Bhinderewala ka naam aate hi ye bhappe yaad gaye. .Sant Bhinderewala ke marne ke baad uss ladai ko kuchh log galat disha me le gaye.Sant ji ki speech sun lena aur bera pat jya ga..Sant Bhinderewala Brar gottar ke jatt thhe unka gaon Rode zilla Faridkot thha.
    http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=ZD32pV...eature=related

    http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=mObCOb...eature=related

    http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=mdk7jp...eature=related

    http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=e8gTaX...eature=related

    http://in.youtube.com/watch?v=CToXEe...eature=related
    raka Bhaisaab

    Video dekhne se toh pata chalta hai kee Bhindrawala was not wrong and he was only fighting for his right. But apke baat theek hai he made a mistake Khaalistaan ke jagah Jaatistan naam deta toh unki movement shayad aur strong hoti, but nyway its all over now so its even good that India is still India. Anyway i m not moving the thread in other direction cos this is only abt 1857.
    Thanx for the links.

    Abhimanyu Phougat

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •