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  1. #41
    There are many buisness like silai kadhai type...Agar karna chahey to.
    Even you have a good experience about clothing and its buisness aspects.....
    Quote Originally Posted by sunitahooda View Post
    Respected ANil Ji,

    Is there any business option for women also? As most women are fee after 12PM once they finish their house cores and literally waste time in these rubbish Saas-Bahu serials, is there any business hat can be started from home?
    Lost my cell..All are requested to send your contact details with name pls...

    Happiness is not something you find, It's something you create.

  2. #42
    good to know that u r interested...
    what kind of information do u need...
    if you can tell me discretely i shall be very pleased to help u....
    please feel free to ask, i don't claim to know everything in this field but i certainly know many people who can answer all question in this field.

  3. #43
    sunita ji...
    i guess u are talking about the educated women in the cities....bcoze gav mein to TV dekhne ke liye light hi nahi hoti hae...
    urban women with little training can try there hands on share/commodity trading....its a little risky but then it can be done from the house....

  4. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by vicky View Post
    good to know that u r interested...
    what kind of information do u need...
    if you can tell me discretely i shall be very pleased to help u....
    please feel free to ask, i don't claim to know everything in this field but i certainly know many people who can answer all question in this field.
    i mean what are the prices ...whr i wll find the original breed ...how much fat quantity they have ...what type of climate is best for them .........


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  5. #45
    Quote Originally Posted by vicky View Post
    Dear Yudvir,
    theres no risk in animal farms.
    if you really need data on cost factors, i can make one & send it to you.
    we are into the business of setting up dairy plants & so i can tell u there is no risk.
    there are lot of govt schemes also...and this can be the best business for rural folk...its far safer than farming
    I am more intrested in dairy farming that includes buffaloes. I spent couple of years of my childhood in village and understand some factors involved.

    I need following information:

    ideal location (town or village)

    Supply chain managment and its risk

    Total time to get break-even point.

    Cattle insurance and other govt policies.

    Minimum expenditure (excluding infrastructure cost like land, building and fodder storage)

    Need of partime/full time Vet?

    Revenue/profit per cattle.

  6. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by yudhvirmor View Post
    I am more intrested in dairy farming that includes buffaloes. I spent couple of years of my childhood in village and understand some factors involved.

    I need following information:

    ideal location (town or village)

    Supply chain managment and its risk

    Total time to get break-even point.

    Cattle insurance and other govt policies.

    Minimum expenditure (excluding infrastructure cost like land, building and fodder storage)

    Need of partime/full time Vet?

    Revenue/profit per cattle.
    if u get any response about this do let me knw mr mor


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  7. #47

    replies for yudhvir & vivek

    Quote Originally Posted by yudhvirmor View Post
    I am more intrested in dairy farming that includes buffaloes. I spent couple of years of my childhood in village and understand some factors involved.

    I need following information:

    ideal location (town or village)

    Supply chain managment and its risk

    Total time to get break-even point.

    Cattle insurance and other govt policies.

    Minimum expenditure (excluding infrastructure cost like land, building and fodder storage)

    Need of partime/full time Vet?

    Revenue/profit per cattle.
    Dear Yudhvir & vivek,

    following are the brief replies to yudhvir's questions:

    1. Location: ideally should to be in a village or a small town bcoze that brings down your cost of operations but there are exceptions like Mumbai where you have "tabelas" in middle of mumbai. generally it should be close to your market to reduce the cycle time since milk is a highly perishable item.

    2. Supply chain managment : this is an important point. generally milk needs cooling down to 4 deg within 3-4 hrs of milking to avoid bacterial growth. this is most basic arrangement that needs to be made and there are equipment for doing it.
    after this SCM will depend on how you want to sell the milk.

    3. break -even time will depend upon the investment you are making

    4. excluding everything you only have to buy the animals so that is the only cost. upto 10,000L of milk per day no registration is required any where above that you need to get registered with the state dept.

    5. Profit: there is nothing like profit per cattle. a more realistic approach would be profit per liltre of milk. how you want to sell your milk i.e. realization per litre will decide your profit

    Cattles only give milk, profit has to be made by the cattle owner:rock

  8. #48

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    Points for consideration – 100 Cow Project

    The following Synopsis has been made in accordance with the following criteria. The actual Farm will comprise of 100 animals in a place which you already have (Cost not considered).
    The animals will be housed in the best conditions with labour involved or with the latest Milking Techniques employed for the Procurement of Clean & quality Milk.
    In the following Synopsis; certain assumptions have been taken into account viz.
    1. The farm will comprise of cows with previous track records (if & where possible) only so as to improve the genetic potential & optimize performance.
    2. The cost of animal is around Rs. 35,000/- & will have milk @ 4500-5000 litres per lactation.
    3. It will be ensured that minimum 60 - 65% of the animals will always be in Milking.
    4. The Farm will initially hold 100 cows & 85 calves (85% newborns usually survive).
    5. The actual figures for the cows in Feeding & management will number about 130 as 3 calves usually account for ONE cow in terms of Feeding Expense.
    6. Feeding cost is taken @ Rs. 8 - 9 per litre of milk & has to be considered for 130 animals for a period of 450 days. ( Calf to calf ) ( Calculations taken @ Rs.8/litre)
    7. Intercalving period has been taken as 14 – 15 months i.e. 450 days which we should try & reduce using GMP (Good Manufacturing Practices).
    8. Veterinary (Clinical & Medical) Expenses will be about Rs. 80 / animal /month.
    9. Mineral Mixture will be fed to all the animals @ 5 gms /Litre of milk the minimum being 50 gms / day per animal. ( Average @ 70 gms per day throughout Cycle)
    10. Deworming (every 3 months) & Vaccination will be carried out routinely.
    11. Miscellaneous cost will be around Rs. 5 / day / animal (includes the A.I services).
    12. Insurance is @ 3% & will be done regularly.


    No Considerations for 450 days No Rate Cost( In Lacs)
    A Capital costs :-
    Purchase of Cows 100 35,000 35
    Construction of Sheds / Godowns /
    Labour Quarters etc ( approx/Cow) 20,000 20
    Milking Machine / Automization Negotiable 45
    Laboratory Optional 5
    Milking cans/Chaff Cutter/ Generator/
    Tanks (Overhead)/ Mixer etc. 5
    Total Capital Cost 110

    B Administrative Costs :-
    Farm Manager 1 20,000 3
    Livestock Supervisors /A.I.Technicians 2 6,000 1.8
    Labour 12 3,000 5.4
    Office Expenses 5,000 0.75
    Transport ( Vehicles) 8,000 1.20
    Miscellaneous Expenses 5000 1.20

    Total Salaries & Expenses 13.35


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  9. #49

    continued ......

    • Equipment costs can be negotiated.
    • Salaries are taken on higher side & can be reduced.
    • Cost of Vehicles has not been taken into consideration as they will be on installments.
    • Office Expenses include Tel & Electricity expenses @ Rs. 5,000 pm.
    • All expenses can be reduced with Good Manufacturing Practices.

    Sr.No Considerations for 450 days No of
    heads Rate Cost ( In Lacs)
    C Recurring Costs :-

    1 Feeding 130 120/cow 70.20
    2 Mineral Mixture 130 100/kg 4.095
    3 Deworming & vaccinations ( 5 time ) 185 50 /time 0.463
    4 Insurance (3% yearly = 3.7/450 days) 100 1110 1.11
    5 Veterinary Medicines 100 80 /mth 1.2
    6 Miscellaneous 185 5/day 4.16

    Total recurring Expenses 81.228

    Total Project Cost for 450 days A + B + C = 204.578


    PLEASE DO NOTE :

    A : Capital Cost : Only needed once & is depreciable.
    B : Administrative Costs : is a fixed variable & will be under control for at least one cycle.
    C : Recurring Costs : This will be always & liable to fluctuate everyday due to weather, rains, natural calamities, transport delays, unavailability of ingredients, erratic supplies & various other factors.
    It is also crucial to note that these practices for feeding have to be inculcated in the labours from day ONE. A small added expense of Re. 1/day/animal will incur losses to a tune of Rs. 58,500/cycle of 450 days.

    At the same time a saving of 1% on feeding can help us SAVE Rs. 70, 200/-cycle.
    We can definitely save 3-5% if good Manufacturing Practice is followed.

    In the initial stages it will be imperative to undertake:

    1. a survey of the Land :
    a. Ideal location of all units viz
    Godown, various types of Pens for calves, Isolation unit, Grass growing,
    Laboratory (Clinical/Nutritional) etc. has to be demarcated.

    2. Take a tour to various farms in Maharashtra/ other places so as to get a clear idea of the construction types / location / directions & various other parameters.

    The Dairy Farms (in Maharashtra) to be visited are:
    a. Chakan : Parag Milk ( Gowardhan dairy) for the size.
    b. Karjat : Dairy farm ( now almost closed down ) but idea of the construction of Free stall system done with help of Israel Consultants.
    c. Baramati : S. Sorte farm ; For the economics of the construction etc.
    d. Chitale farm : for the Milking Machine / automization set up.
    e. Satara : Ganesh Deshmukh farm for other (Horticulture/Aqua farm) ideas.
    f. Islampur : Thakur farm for the Milking machine idea.
    g. Bangalore : To look at the best source of Cow Purchase.
    h. Sonai : Agriculture College Farm of buffaloes for the ventilation ideas.

    Approximately a day will be required to visit each & every farm wherein it will be essential to Photograph & Video graph the whole so as to get a clear idea as to how the sheds will be built. All this would entail a Touring of minimum 8 days.

    3. Then it will be seen to arrange for the gradual purchase (if possible & feasible) of the animals form various locations viz. Baramati, Akluj, Banglore, Manchar, Narayangaon, Shirur, Shrirampur, Loni & A. Nagar etc.

    Major Points :-

    1. Purchase of Cow :
    2. Availability of Fodder
    Green – Planning for legume, non leguminous, Seasonal, schedule
    Requirement /cow, for all
    Dry - Requirement, availability, season for purchase
    Cheaper availability, round the year/seasonal
    Storage facility
    Control and check on spoilage
    3. Animal purchase –
    Lactation Completed - I, II lactation preferred
    Stage of pregnancy - 7-8 month Pregnant / Freshly calved depending upon
    Transport conditions.
    Body Condition Scoring – Systematic
    Source - Reliable
    Previous Records
    Lactation
    Disease
    Health
    Preventive Inoculation Details
    Hoof History
    4. Animal Selection – Criteria
    a. Insurance with PTD coverage (negotiation in Premium)
    b. Quarantine 21 days
    c. Identification – Tagging
    d. Preventive Inoculation Schedule Stock of Vaccine, Source, Schedule.
    5. Feeding & Care :
    Nutritional Requirement based on different level of Pregnancy
    Last Trimester
    Last month
    Pre Calving
    Calving as well as Post Calving

    Nutritional Requirement based on : – Different stages of lactation
    Level of production
    Body Condition
    Close Watch on fulfilling the requirement of Individual Animal
    6. Timing - Feeding Schedule
    Watch on fulfilling requirement of the animal
    Detection of unhealthy animal
    7. Health – for optimum production
    Body Scoring
    Loss of weight
    Negative energy balance
    Corrective measures
    Sample study (as a regular feature) – Group of animals, Intensive care, regular
    8. Management feeding, health – changes based on observations of study of
    a. Calving Interval :
    b. Individual animal - Post calving gynecological health of individual
    Proper recording, follow-up
    Trained heat detector
    Heat detection 30 – 50 days post calving
    Observation of next estrus,
    Onset of Heat - Timings
    Proper time of AI
    Grouping of animals not showing heat 30- 50 days post calving
    Gynecological examination
    Suitable synchronization programme with skilled Veterinarian
    Future Planning for breeding
    Breed, exotic inheritance level, superior Germplasm, Quality FSD
    Proper technique and procedure of AI
    Recording all breeding information
    Follow-up 21/42/63 days post AI for signs of repeat heat
    Pregnancy follow-up at earliest possible date & its confirmation
    c. Grouping of Problem Breeders – arrangement for examination by Gyanecologist
    Grouping of the animals
    Production Problem Breeders
    Stage of lactation Sample Study ( by changing the group )
    Stage of Pregnancy
    Close Monitoring of the following for Optimising :
    • Nutritional requirements ( Fodders /Silages)
    • Supplement requirement
    • Concentrate Need at different stages
    • Feeding Management
    • Breeding Management
    • Health Control
    • Mastitis Control
    • Stock for culling
    • Lactation curve – Individual & group
    • Daily Economic Calculation

    Mastitis Control:
    • Hygiene in the shade
    • Udder hygiene
    • Cleanliness, hygiene, care & disinfection before & after milking
    • Nutrient requirement in relation to mastitis
    • Periodical Test for Mastitis detection
    • Female Calf Rearing needs special attention & focus.
    • Teat dipping

    PRODUCTION AND MANAGEMENT PRACTICES
    Success in Dairy Farming is not an event that comes automatically, to be successful one must have a goal, there must be plans on how to attain that goal, and there is usually much mental and physical effort expended in working towards the goal. Top milk production will not be realized unless the best management practices are used.

    There are TEN groups of factors that are important.
    It is possible for us to bring the farm into Profits by monitoring in:

    1. Feeding Management
    2. Breeding factors;
    3. Mastitis control and Milking practices factors;
    4. Stress reduction factors
    5. Health Management
    6. Reproductive Management
    7. Optimization of Milk Yield by reducing the production cost.
    8. Undertaking (Female) Calf rearing project
    9. Labour Management factors.
    10. Improving the yield from wastes viz. Dung (Vermicomposting OR Composting with chemicals) & sale of Urine.


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  10. #50

    continued.......................

    We can certainly control few of the above into account the following Measures :-

    1. The health status (w.r.t. J.D, T.B & Brucellosis etc.) has also to be checked.
    2. The entire stock has to be purchased based upon this evaluation.
    3. Similar measures have to be applied to newly introduced cows.
    4. Feeding parameters to be checked w.r.t.
    a. Balancing of feed as per actual requirements.
    b. Feeding of concentrates as compared to production, checked.
    c. Feed ingredients can be changed so as to bring down Costs.
    d. Grasses can be grown scientifically so as to get optimum production.
    e. Chaffing has to be undertaken to maximize digestion process.
    f. Metabolic Profiling can be undertaken so that mineral status can be known.
    5. Evaluation of Sub-clinical status can be undertaken.
    6. Parasitic evaluation is also essential so that gastrointestinal worms or Liver fluke infestation can be ruled out thus maximizing productivity.


    DAIRY RECORDS - NEED AND USE

    Dairy Management requires daily decisions about every cow in the shed. These decisions make the difference between success and failure. The recordkeeping program will be designed in a way to provide individual cow and total herd data so that we can make decisions based on that actual information.

    By keeping and using records we will be in the best position to:
    1. Optimize feed for the maximum production
    2. Breed genetically superior & better performing cows
    3. Increase milk production per cow
    4. Lower costs of production in all aspects.
    5. Increase net profits



    Goals

    Goals that are realistic and made possible by adopting a reproductive health program are:
    1. Average calving interval between 12 to 13 months.
    2. Breeding efficiency below 1.5 services per conception and less than 30 percent returns
    after 60 days.
    3. Post-partum interval to first heat between 50 to 60 days.
    4. Post-partum interval to first breeding no greater than 75 to 90 days.
    5. Repeat breeders of 5 to 10 per cent or less.
    6. Abortions of 1 to 2 percent or less.
    7. Retained placentas of 5 to 10 percent or less.
    8. Metritis of 5 to 10 percent or less.
    9. Cow Replacement percentage below 10 percent.
    10. Repeat Breeders less than 3 - 5 %.

    Responsibilities & Duties of the Advisor :

    1. Coordinate & execute the functions of all the various agencies during development.
    2. Supervise/Guide the Construction of the Dairy Shed/Calf rearing Unit/Cattle Feed Unit/others prerequisites for the Dairy farm.
    3. Help in selection & Training of all the Technical/Non Technical people necessary.
    4. Assisting in Selection & Purchase of animals from various places so as to eliminate the introduction of diseased animals (T.B/J.D/Brucellosis)
    5. Help in setting up (if required) the Cattle Feed unit for captive & other consumption.
    6. Set up a good Laboratory handling the Clinical as well as Nutrition aspects.
    7. Help in the analysis of the Raw material as well as assist in the procurement of best quality: Mineral Mixtures/Nutritional Supplements/ Milking & Laboratory equipment’s etc.
    8. Procurement of various kinds of raw materials at best Prices.
    9. Design / Implement the Feed to get maximum productivity (Feed Formulations).
    10. Monitor the complete running of the Farm by advising on Good Management Practices, which will help in optimizing production thereby Profitability.
    11. Optimization of the herd performance. (Computer Software will do the Analysis of Profit & loss account; which will be installed at the Farm & be connected by LAN.)
    12. Design & develop Software for the Record Keeping of animals at the farm. With help of this any individual animal can be evaluated for any parameter w.r.t Milk yield, Heat, Conception, Calving practices, Intercalving period etc. ( Will be developed within 3 months & before the animals are purchased ).
    13. Help maintain Records as well as profitability of the total Farm with the help of Computer software (This particular Software will have to be developed as per our specific requirements ; possible to do so within 3 months.)
    10. Help in Management Information Systems of all types pertaining to dairy farming with a
    special emphasis on Nutrition, Health Management, artificial Insemination, labour
    Management & Optimization of profits by way of introducing methods to sell every
    possible waste like Dung & Urine etc.
    11. Arrange for the services of other Professionals in all possible areas where necessary.
    12. Any other functions associated with the optimization of the farm.
    14. The period to implement the project (to its desired goal) will require about 2-3 years.
    15. Visit to the Farm/other places at least 1-2 times a month for 1 - 2 days to oversee.


    To run the Farm Successfully it will be essential to follow the instructions on :
    1. Day to day Management of the Farm.
    2. Vaccination & Deworming Schedules.
    3. Insurance of animals.
    4. Purchase of raw materials.
    5. Purchase of Nutraceuticals / any other products required for the Farm.
    6. Total Cooperation & Non-interference from all & sundry.
    7. Discuss with the CEO, Directors & Officials as & when needed for optimization of the Dairy
    8. To supervise & monitor the activities of all workers on the Dairy Farm.
    9. Necessary advice on employing Technical hands.
    10. Fix up the necessary schedules of all & sundry.
    11. Liaison & coordination of all the functionaries w.r.t their job responsibilities etc.


    This 100 animal Farm; it will be seen that around 66 will always be in milking.

    This will give about 1000 litres of milk daily which sold @ Rs.12 / litre will bring
    Rs.12, 000 per day which means Rs. 43, 80,000/- in ONE year & Rs. 54, 00,000 per cycle



    i think this project report will show the clear picture of dairy farm project ..............


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  11. #51
    Quote Originally Posted by vivekgathwala View Post
    We can certainly control few of the above into account the following Measures :-
    which means Rs. 43, 80,000/- in ONE year & Rs. 54, 00,000 per cycle

    i think this project report will show the clear picture of dairy farm project ..............
    Sounds great analysis.. i just need to replace buffaloes with cows. As buffaloes are more habitated in haryana and weather condition suits them.

    i think your analysis covered all.

    Next intresting things: for the farm of 100 cattles: Investment comes around 1.2 crore as fixed cost and running cost will be around 3-4 lakh per month.
    To make the life easy, Which bank is providing the loan and how much time it takes to get the loan approved. (without bribing )
    Shall i consider 1 acre as a sufficent land to to setup the infrastructure for 100 cattles.

    Cheers,
    Yudhvir Mor

  12. #52
    doood for setting up a 100 cattle project u need atleast 2to 3 acre land ...


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  13. #53
    nice information shared Vivek Sir.

    Quote Originally Posted by vivekgathwala View Post
    doood for setting up a 100 cattle project u need atleast 2to 3 acre land ...

  14. #54
    [QUOTE=vivekgathwala;199271]Points for consideration – 100 Cow Project

    The following Synopsis has been made in accordance with the following criteria. The actual Farm will comprise of 100 animals in a place which you already have (Cost not considered).


    Vivek Bhai you have done a great job... The information provided by u is very good for every one. Heartly thanks to you .
    :tamatar:boxing" Live Every Day As If It Was Your Last, And One Day You Will Be Right!"
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    देखती है दुनिया छत पर चढके....
    और कहते ......
    काश हम भी जाट होते........


  15. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by anilsangwan View Post
    Dear All,


    Most of the people, esp youngsters, in villages either want to get "Govt Job" or nothing.



    Thanks!
    Anil Bhai today I have read this thread. I am very happy to see that. Good information is giving by JL members. Thanks for the same.
    :tamatar:boxing" Live Every Day As If It Was Your Last, And One Day You Will Be Right!"
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    :p"लोड करके राईफल, जब जीप पे सवार होते...
    बाऩध साफा जब गाबरू तयार होते....
    देखती है दुनिया छत पर चढके....
    और कहते ......
    काश हम भी जाट होते........


  16. #56
    bhaiyoo ye saree data ....ground p bilkul ulte s ..........i visited 2/3 farms in punjab & haryana with 1000 plus cattles then u wll knw the ground reality ........before starting cattle farm ....u need to stay at any cattle farm for minimum 20 days ..i am planning for that very soon in haryana


    and yeh 1 most important thing ......before starting a farm u have to clear your concepts for what purpose u going to start up this i.e....for R&D or for milk or for processing .......

    like what we see in thr report its not that much easy what we thought
    we found a hefty returns on paper but in real results are somthing else

    so i suggest u guys to visit at least 2/3 farms with 100+ cattle's than u wll knw about the real farm


    regards


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  17. #57
    I also want to share some thing...

    few years back I had opened polatry farm on small scall. That time I start farm from 4000 chiks (murgi ke bacche). I had earned good profit form 4-5batchs (1 batch -45 days_). But after some times there was a news on bird flu in media. After that the rates in market was going down . And there was a huge loss . I had started again after some time but again media spreding the wrong information on bird flu and again...loss.

    Pls suggest me now what to do. Now I am affriad to start it again...


    But I think that will be a better option for our friends..
    :tamatar:boxing" Live Every Day As If It Was Your Last, And One Day You Will Be Right!"
    .................¤ॐ¤..............
    :p"लोड करके राईफल, जब जीप पे सवार होते...
    बाऩध साफा जब गाबरू तयार होते....
    देखती है दुनिया छत पर चढके....
    और कहते ......
    काश हम भी जाट होते........


  18. #58
    brother 1 of my known is north indias no 1 hatchery farmer...&now on he also started cattles farms in haryana with 500 murrah buffaloes & 600 jersy cows .......

    i think he wll suggest you about that u can mail him at baljitredhu@yahoo.com

    he wll let u knw briefly ....


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  19. #59
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    Quote Originally Posted by vivektaliyan View Post
    Anil Bhai today I have read this thread. I am very happy to see that. Good information is giving by JL members. Thanks for the same.
    Thank you so much bhai Vivek. I am sure here people among are sharing great info which will help each one of us and even if few of the people are benefitted....we can assume that this thread is successful....!!!!

  20. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by anilsangwan View Post
    Thank you so much bhai Vivek. I am sure here people among are sharing great info which will help each one of us and even if few of the people are benefitted....we can assume that this thread is successful....!!!!
    haaan mama ale sahi keh s ..................kisena kise n to benefit diva k manageeeeee ....or 2/3 dande thohan lag raha soon ebe gehrayii main badan lag raha soon...... i personelly feel ki jat ko hamesh enterpeneur hi hona chahiye tha...but don worry we will .....in kiradaaan & refugeeya n nahi rehn denge


    i personally request all the worthy members to share your business ideas here of different level of capital investment ..so that any1 wll be benefited from that


    regrds


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