View Poll Results: Should we allow Sikh JAT's (JATT's) and Muslim JAT's on JATland ?

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  • Yes, we should allow Sikh JAT's (JATT's) only.

    58 25.22%
  • Yes, we should allow Sikh JAT's as well as Muslim JAT's.

    86 37.39%
  • No, we should not allow Sikh JAT's & Muslim JAT's… this site be kept for Hindu JAT’s only.

    80 34.78%
  • No answer, I am confused.

    6 2.61%
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Thread: Should we allow Sikh JAT's (JATT's) and Muslim JAT's on JATland ?

  1. #61
    To all those who r so much keen at including muslim jats and sikh jats to this island first ask those muslim and sikh jats will they find it perfectly awesome ,easy and smooth getting associated with we hindu( ohh sorry )...:p jats?? ..well,this is the era of globalistion and segues,so pls do include christian jats toooo and even those who want to get converted to jats may be there r some who r eager to convert???:P ha we talk about racisism as unwanted ism but won't we be spreading JATISM by including ppl of other religion who once belonged to some other religion.??.this is nothing but revival of JAT CULT!!!....ND HINDU JATS CONVERETD TO SIKH ,MUSLIM SO ON.....HOW CAN SOMETHING BLEND WITH THE THING THAT HAS NO SUSCEPTIBILITY FOR THE FORMER?, ND GUYS TELL ME THAT HOW CAN A FOSSIL BE MADE ALIVE??????????????
    Last edited by richi; June 8th, 2009 at 08:37 PM.

  2. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by richi View Post
    To all those who r so much keen at including muslim jats and sikh jats to this island first ask those muslim and sikh jats will they find it perfectly awesome ,easy and smooth getting associated with we hindu( ohh sorry )...:p jats?? ..well,this is the era of globalistion and segues,so pls do include christian jats toooo and even those who want to get converted to jats may be there r some who r eager to convert???:P ha we talk about racisism as unwanted ism but won't we be spreading JATISM by including ppl of other religion who once belonged to some other religion.??.this is nothing but revival of JAT CULT!!!....ND HINDU JATS CONVERETD TO SIKH ,MUSLIM SO ON.....HOW CAN SOMETHING BLEND WITH THE THING THAT HAS NO SUSCEPTIBILITY FOR THE FORMER?, ND GUYS TELL ME THAT HOW CAN A FOSSIL BE MADE ALIVE??????????????
    Richi Here I always confused Ki Jat hai kaun? Wo jo sirf haryanwi bolte hain ya wo jo Rajasthani bolte hain ya fir wo jo Baraut ki thet bhasa bolte hain ...nahi nahi mujhe lagta hai wo Jinki boli main bulundshahar ya Mathura ki Brij ka acent hain?? Ya fir punjabi bone wale........Yahan to log jaton ko region se Rank aur complete jat aur uncomplete jat kaha jata hai...

  3. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by rakeshsehrawat View Post
    ब्रह्म तेवतिया जी या के बांदरा के बीच में भेली बागा दी आपने ?
    आडे हिन्दू जाटा के थोड़े खोसडे बाजे हैं आप आडे मुस्लिम और सिख जाटा ने निमंत्रण दो हो ! ये आपने आले तो काबू में आते ना ये ऐ बाव्लिबूच अर बेवकूफ कह हैं एक दुसरे ने और दुसरे भी बटले हो गए तो उन ने काबू में करण खातेर स्पेशल squad बनवाना पड़ेगा ! सारे एक तें एक सयाने हैं इतने सयाने एक जगह कठे करना गलत है ! मेरे वा साधू आली कहानी याद आवे है जिस गाम में उसकी खातिरदारी होई तो बोल्या यु गाम उजड़ जया अरे जड़े लोगा ने गाल दी उडे बोल्या यु गाम बस्या रहना चाहिए ! चेले ने पूछी क्यूँ तो बाबा बोल्या भले आदमी दुनिया में जितने फैलेंगे उतना ऐ बाकी लोग उन ने देख के भले बनेंगे अर बेवकूफ जितने फैलेंगे उतना ऐ दुनिया बेवकूफ होवेगी !
    कहानी का सार ये है की इतने समझदार लोग जो हैं वे सारे फैले रहने चाहिए जे सारे आडे बटले हो गए दो दुनिया की समझदारी सारी एक जगह कट्ठी हो जागी फेर बाकी लोगा में समझदारी क्यूकर आवेगी ?

    जाट एकता जिंदाबाद
    number 1 rakka sir....:rock
    Vj.....Anti Social.....
    BE JAT LIKE फोगाट........



  4. #64
    richa very well said but u know here we are not debating over who should be a real jat ??the issue is whether muslim and sikh jats should be involved for participation in the forum..or not??
    Quote Originally Posted by richaaz View Post
    Richi Here I always confused Ki Jat hai kaun? Wo jo sirf haryanwi bolte hain ya wo jo Rajasthani bolte hain ya fir wo jo Baraut ki thet bhasa bolte hain ...nahi nahi mujhe lagta hai wo Jinki boli main bulundshahar ya Mathura ki Brij ka acent hain?? Ya fir punjabi bone wale........Yahan to log jaton ko region se Rank aur complete jat aur uncomplete jat kaha jata hai...

  5. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by richi View Post
    richa very well said but u know here we are not debating over who should be a real jat ??the issue is whether muslim and sikh jats should be involved for participation in the forum..or not??
    My intension is the same... Every jat who belongs to India may be the member of this forum.

  6. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by choudharyneelam View Post
    There are some Jats in UP who are not completely Jat...hindi mein unhe "mula jat" bolte hain.....u even don't know ki how many such memebers are here......I don't want to hurt anybody's sentiments but when it is open for them also then why not Sikh Jat and Muslim Jat.

    We must welcome them with great feeling of love and respect. The environment will not be disturbed by that but it will become more knowledgeable and enjoyable.

    One thing m not clear with is Sikh Jatt and Sikh Jat.....what's the difference in two?

    What do you mean by this neelam ji, completely jat ?????. What is the meaning of complete jat as per your expectation? Jat is Jat of course.
    And from whom and where do you came to know that MULA JAAT from UP are not complete JAAT.

    As per my knowledge MULA JAAT are those Jaat who have converted to Muslim during Mughal Badshah Aurangjeb time' that's why we called them MULA JAAT.
    :rockSANDY = JAT

    JAI :rockKIL:DLKI :rock TAULL !!!!!

    "JAHAN JAAT VAHAN THAATH" :p

  7. #67

    Smile m just asking !

    am just asking whether it is possible or not !

    jatland should be open for all hindu jat boys and girls and for muslim and sikh jat girls only , if it is possible it would be the best thing :p
    1.Meflan-ch jatt di pichaan wakhree (indeed).

    2.Upon knowing the ultimate truth, the foolish become wise, and the wise become silent.

  8. #68

    Exclamation Kuch Seekho

    Amit FYI Dara Singh jis bhi kushti me rahe ho wo Akhil bhartiya Jat Mahasabha ke President rah chuke hain...... Vaise Sikh Jaton me bhi sirfiro ki kami nhi hai jo apne ko hindu jaton se superior kahte hain iski jad jan ne ke liye tumhe thodi history padhni padegi refer to Sh Dayanand Deswals posts....... Aur bhai mere kisi ko gaali doge to wo bhi aapko mala nhi pahnayega, aap likhne se pahle tolo fir likho,You can criticize constructively too if you need to, padh likhkar nhi khote ......

    Sir Chotu Ram ne sirf do baat seekhne ko kaha tha....

    A bhole kisan (JAT) do baatein seekh le

    1. Bolna seekh le
    2. Aadmi ko pahchan na seekh le


    Kuch seekho.... chote bhai

    Take Care

    Sanjay Rathee

    Quote Originally Posted by amritkharb View Post
    bhi aik baat bata. Tere paas ek bhi sabut hae ki dara singh ji Asli wrestling mein the. Mein batata hoon. Ek bhi sabut naheen. Aur meine yaahan par sabut de rakhe haeen ki dara singh ji fake wrestling mein the. Aur mere hero sirf asli wrestler saur asli log haeen. Tere tarah filmoon ke chaknee hero aur heroine naheen. So chup raah ab aur phaltu ki bateein na kar. aur tu mere baare mein itna jaanta hae begeer dekhe aur mile? Jaayda filmeen dekh li tanne.
    Don't be afraid of the space between your dreams and reality. If you can dream it, you can make it so.

  9. #69

    Talking

    Quote Originally Posted by mhundpuriamann View Post
    am just asking whether it is possible or not !

    jatland should be open for all hindu jat boys and girls and for muslim and sikh jat girls only , if it is possible it would be the best thing :p

    :D Power to You my friend!
    Cheers

  10. #70
    Sanjay Bhai, iss topic ne ib chhod dyo, wa te thread bhi band hogi.....
    Quote Originally Posted by sanjayrathee View Post
    Amit FYI Dara Singh jis bhi kushti me rahe ho wo Akhil bhartiya Jat Mahasabha ke President rah chuke hain...... Vaise Sikh Jaton me bhi sirfiro ki kami nhi hai jo apne ko hindu jaton se superior kahte hain iski jad jan ne ke liye tumhe thodi history padhni padegi refer to Sh Dayanand Deswals posts....... Aur bhai mere kisi ko gaali doge to wo bhi aapko mala nhi pahnayega, aap likhne se pahle tolo fir likho,You can criticize constructively too if you need to, padh likhkar nhi khote ......

    Sir Chotu Ram ne sirf do baat seekhne ko kaha tha....

    A bhole kisan (JAT) do baatein seekh le

    1. Bolna seekh le
    2. Aadmi ko pahchan na seekh le


    Kuch seekho.... chote bhai

    Take Care

    Sanjay Rathee
    "Similia Similibus Curentur"

  11. #71
    Jitender bhai no naughty thoughts.....serious ho jao..... upar dekh kaisi kaisi discussion ho chuki hain, so pls dont try to de-rail this thread..... or start another controversy by your quote.....
    Quote Originally Posted by mhundpuriamann View Post
    am just asking whether it is possible or not !

    jatland should be open for all hindu jat boys and girls and for muslim and sikh jat girls only , if it is possible it would be the best thing :p
    "Similia Similibus Curentur"

  12. #72

    okk but...........

    Quote Originally Posted by aryasatyadev View Post
    Jitender bhai no naughty thoughts.....serious ho jao..... upar dekh kaisi kaisi discussion ho chuki hain, so pls dont try to de-rail this thread..... or start another controversy by your quote.....
    okk ji okk m sorry but brother i was saying it seiously ,

    why it is not possible ? moderaters have to do only one thing , just don't accept any new member except girls , this is so simple :p
    1.Meflan-ch jatt di pichaan wakhree (indeed).

    2.Upon knowing the ultimate truth, the foolish become wise, and the wise become silent.

  13. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by richi View Post
    To all those who r so much keen at including muslim jats (>>> XXX) and sikh jats (>>> √√√) to this island first ask those muslim and sikh jats will they find it perfectly awesome ,easy and smooth getting associated with we hindu( ohh sorry )...:p jats?? ..well,this is the era of globalistion and segues,so pls do include christian jats toooo and even those who want to get converted to jats may be there r some who r eager to convert???:P ha we talk about racisism as unwanted ism but won't we be spreading JATISM by including ppl of other religion who once belonged to some other religion.??.this is nothing but revival of JAT CULT!!!....ND HINDU JATS CONVERETD TO SIKH ,MUSLIM SO ON.....HOW CAN SOMETHING BLEND WITH THE THING THAT HAS NO SUSCEPTIBILITY FOR THE FORMER?, ND GUYS TELL ME THAT HOW CAN A FOSSIL BE MADE ALIVE??????????????
    to the best of my knowledge, i haven't seen any sikh JATT social site/forum discriminating against hindu JAT’s… in fact i’m personally a member of “JATTworld” as well. having said so, i feel this to be grossly unfair that we keep JATland restricted to only hindu JAT’s. at the same time, when we talk abt JAT celebrities, we don’t miss a chance nd feel proud to mention the names of bhagat singh, dara singh or dharmendra for tht matter… then why this discrimination against JATT’s ?

    JATism for sure is the best "ism". we must strive hard to spread it across the globe !!! any doubts abt that ?
    ! ... be BOLD in what you stand for !
    !! ... i've the simplest tastes, i'm always satisfied with the best !!
    !!! ... be yourself, everyone else is already taken !!!

  14. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by brahmtewatia;213008[FONT=Century Gothic

    JATism for sure is the best "ism". we must strive hard to spread it across the globe !!! any doubts abt that ?
    [/FONT]
    btw what is JATism?

  15. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by rajivsp View Post
    btw what is JATism?
    if ?... nd only if JAT's can ever get united... u'll understand what this "ism" is all about.
    ...
    follow few signatures of members on this portal, you might get an idea... for more refer to my next post.
    ! ... be BOLD in what you stand for !
    !! ... i've the simplest tastes, i'm always satisfied with the best !!
    !!! ... be yourself, everyone else is already taken !!!

  16. #76

    "YES" for Sikh JAT's (JATT's) !!!

    Quote Originally Posted by brahmtewatia View Post
    thanks all for varied nd worthy responses, as i see different opinions emerging out, on the subject matter.

    My answer is a big "NO" for Muslim JAT's !

    my reasons:
    before signing in again on the subject matter after my title post, i got the chance to go thru the archives nd learnt tht the matter was raised for discussion several times, but with no outcome. i hope, we reach to some conclusion(s) this time, as i request other/senior members to raise their voice once again. at the same time, i request the mods for some justified implementation frm the outcome of the poll attached to this thread, which has seen very good polling within 2 days... a close to 50 poll responses.

    if we take the premise/fact tht JAT is a RACE nd put our sight away from the pigeonhole view, then i guess we all hindu, sikh nd muslim JAT’s fall in the same assemblage.
    but with people’s growing obsession with religion, we all JAT’s seem to be are falling apart. i say so esp. with muslim JAT’s, where the cultural divide has extended to such a point tht it is now irreversible, i mean it is now impossible to think tht we are the same race nd can come under the same umbrella… cos… “the religion takes the upper hand”.

    having said so nd as stated in my title post... "
    i do understand that by allowing muslim JAT's in particular, we might be touching some very sensitive issue’s like islamic terrorism nd hatred tht brews across the borders on basis of religion". i also don’t see any similarities btwn us (here i’m talking of hindu JAT’s) nd the muslim JAT’s, or may be i’m terribly mistaken… pls. correct me if i’m wrong. moreover, after independence, we have fought several battles where hindu as well as muslim JAT’s have shed their blood fighting against each other. to cut the matter short, as explained above… we have drifted apart nd this change is NOW TOTALLY IRREVERSIBLE… so my answer is “NO” to muslim JAT’s.

    My answer is a big "YES" for Sikh JAT's (JATT's) !

    ... my views on JATT's to follow later.
    now coming to JATT’s (sikh JAT’s)… i feel, we are the same cos sikhism as far as my knowledge goes is/was n’vr a religion. well, most of us know about sikhism, its existence, when nd where it started… so no confusions on that aspect, as sikhism is/was bifurcated from hinduism only. it’s a different matter that many people have branded it as religion… may be for selfish gains/interests. the fact is, that it is/was a panth (sect), whereby guru gobind singh ji raised the army to fight against the muslims.

    we still share a lot of similarities among each other nd even have similar surnames like dhillon, gill, chahal, maan/mann, just to mention a few. many panths in hinduism follow the same traditions as followed by sikhs. i’ve n’vr seen any sikh JATT social site/forum discriminating against hindu JAT’s… in fact i’m personally a member of “JATTworld” as well. having said so, i feel this to be grossly unfair that we keep JATland restricted to only hindu JAT’s. at the same time, when we talk abt JAT celebrities, we don’t miss a chance nd feel proud to mention the names of bhagat singh, dara singh or dharmendra for tht matter… then why this discrimination against JATT’s ?

    i’ve outlined my reasons for not allowing muslim JAT’s in my earlier post http://www.jatland.com/forums/showpo...1&postcount=31 whereby I’ve mentioned abt the cultural divide btwn muslim nd hindu JAT’s, that has extended to such a point tht it is now irreversible… cos… “the religion takes the upper hand”.

    to me it seems tht we (hindu JAT’s) are now distancing away frm our co-brothers (sikh JATT’s) nd we have to act fast before this change becomes IRREVERSIBLE. in many social sites there is a talk as to who are better JAT’s or JATT’s ? if we don’t unite now, it will only encourage to further divisiveness as has been the case with muslim JAT’s.

    p.s. : my personal views based on my knowledge, pls. correct me if i’m wrong anywhere.
    ! ... be BOLD in what you stand for !
    !! ... i've the simplest tastes, i'm always satisfied with the best !!
    !!! ... be yourself, everyone else is already taken !!!

  17. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by raka View Post
    हम सब चौ. छोटूराम का बहुत मान सम्मान करते हैं उनको अपना आदर्श मानते हैं | परन्तु हम सब उनकी शिक्षाओ को भूल रहे हैं क्योकि हमे उनके बारे में विस्तार से नहीं पढाया जाता | यह कह दिया जाता हैं के वो समय अलग था जब चौ. साहब ने जाट / किसान जागृती की लडाई लड़ी थी | चौ. साहब ने जो अलख जगाया था उसमे सब से अहम् शिक्षा थी के " हमे (जाटों को ) धार्मिक तौर पर कभी भी कट्टर व रुढिवादी नहीं होना चाहिए |" इसी शिक्षा के दम पर चौ.साहब पूरी कौम को जगाने , जोड़ने एक मंच पर इकट्ठा करने में कामयाब हुए |
    ....
    धर्म का भूत जाति के भूत से कही बड़ा होता हैं जल्दी सर चढ़ कर बोलता हैं | जिसका पूरा लाभ जिन्नाह साहब ने उठाया | यह 1947 में हिन्दू मुसलमान का , हिदुस्तान पकिस्तान का बंटवारा नहीं था यह तो हमारे जट्ट वाड़े का बंटवारा था | आज भी हम लोगो को इस धर्म के भूत ने झकड़ कर रखा हैं | आज भी हम जिन्नाह जैसे कुछ गलत लोगो के दुष्प्रचार में फसे हुए हैं | और लोगो की तरह कम से कम हम जाटों को तो अपने इस बंटवारे के बात नहीं करनी चाहिए |
    rakesh bhaisahab,

    with due regards to your opinion nd my personal appreciation for this very candid post of yours... i wud like to say one thing... that "YES" aapne jo baat likhi hai wo waqt purana tha. things have now changed nd so are the people. i've elaborated at length about my apprehensions of including muslim JAT's cos "the religion has taken upper hand". aur is baat is aap bhi ittefaaq rakhte hein, when you said...
    धर्म का भूत जाति के भूत से कही बड़ा होता हैं जल्दी सर चढ़ कर बोलता हैं

    mingling with muslim JAT's is a far reality now nd i fear the same may hold true with sikh JATT's if we don't act/unite now.
    ! ... be BOLD in what you stand for !
    !! ... i've the simplest tastes, i'm always satisfied with the best !!
    !!! ... be yourself, everyone else is already taken !!!

  18. #78
    Dear Mr Rakesh Sangwan,

    would you like to stand by what you have written by quoting Ch. Chhotu Ram

    Jat Ekta Jindabaad:rock
    Jat Ekta Jindabaad:rock

    Angrejo Bharat Chhodo:rock

  19. #79

    Smile friend to nue-e jee se liya karai.....

    Quote Originally Posted by vikassingh1 View Post
    :D Power to You my friend!
    Cheers
    bhaee friend to nu-e rog kattyaa karai arr nue jee se liya karai :p
    1.Meflan-ch jatt di pichaan wakhree (indeed).

    2.Upon knowing the ultimate truth, the foolish become wise, and the wise become silent.

  20. #80

    complete jat means ...............

    Quote Originally Posted by richaaz View Post
    What do u mean by complete jat?? Pl. Justify.....
    i'll tell......... (pardon for spellings)

    1. first he/she should satisfie basic face features of jat.

    2. he/she should not be dark (kala peelaa nhee hona chahiye)

    these two things u get by blood everything else depends on ur

    environment.
    1.Meflan-ch jatt di pichaan wakhree (indeed).

    2.Upon knowing the ultimate truth, the foolish become wise, and the wise become silent.

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