Again a Gotra-Marriage Row!!

[rana1]

bhaiooo ravinder mere mama ki buaa ka ladka h or unke ghar walle gaam chodne ke baad abhi mere mama ke ghar gaam dujana m h weha per bhi ab unki surkhsya ke leye her gate p police walee khade h chinta ki koi baat nahi h sadi huee thi jab gaam ke sare aadmi bhi sadi m gaye the we jab kuch na bole eb bhai baat poltics ki h ravinder ka father pahle gaam ka sarpanch tha or ya sari ladai sarpanchi ki h rr es baar bhi usne sarpachi ka election ladna tha r uska ka palda bhari tha es baar ja tai ya sari baat hui h es te beyah ka t bus bahana h behyaa hoii bhi kai mahine ho leye rr gaam ke we sare admi behyaa m ja re the jo eb behyaa n tudwaw h r waise bhi ravinder t uski buaa n good le rakhya h es karan uska t gout bhi badal ga bhai ya sari sarpanchi ki ladai s

[guliayaj100]

yaar agar kisi ko kisi se pyaar ho jaaye aur vo sirf isliye shaadi na kar payen ki unke gotra main so called "bhaichara' hai, to aap hi aochiye unke upar kitni buri beetegi. aur bhaichaare wala kanoon sirf samajik hai, usme blood purity par b koi asar nahi parta, to isliye is rule ko to khatam ki kar dena chahiye. baki rule 1,2,3 theek hai
so let these rules be simple and easy to follow.

bhai arvind
Agar pyar hi sabse upar hai to kisi ko apne gotra ki ladki se pyar ho jaye to unko bhi shaadi kar leni chahiye , aapke hisab se?

[dilpatsingh]

ye got ke chakraan mein kitne balkaan ke byaah hote hote reh gaye...

unless you try it how do you know it is baaad.. maan. There should develop some new understanding on this ridiculous old custom. Even the supreme court has allowed same got marriages.

[poonam]

http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/N...ow/4818395.cms

I am at the loss of words to express my grief, embarrassment and anger at such inhuman acts taking place in the heart of our very own “Jatland”.. .

I share your sentiments Nitin. Unfortunately, Jats take pride in these barbaric acts.
Same gotra or different (love marriages, for instance), if it goes against their wishes the end result is anybody’s guess. I feel sorry for us and genuinely wonder when are we gonna rise above all this sham.

[vijayran007]

Ram Ram bhai

I have some Confucian will you plz help me out I like a girl her gotra is Narwal (नरवाल) and my gotra is Vijayran (विजयरण) her Mother gotra is Sansanwal (सन्सनवाल) and my Mother gotra is Malik (मलिक) but there is one problem my grandmother gotra is also Sansanwal (सन्सनवाल) but both of them are from different villages so is it possible that we both can marry as I don’t know about this all so I will like to take suggestion from all of you that what should I do …………………

Thanks your help will be appreciated….

[rana1]

Ram Ram bhai

I have some Confucian will you plz help me out I like a girl her gotra is Narwal (नरवाल) and my gotra is Vijayran (विजयरण) her Mother gotra is Sansanwal (सन्सनवाल) and my Mother gotra is Malik (मलिक) but there is one problem my grandmother gotra is also Sansanwal (सन्सनवाल) but both of them are from different villages so is it possible that we both can marry as I don’t know about this all so I will like to take suggestion from all of you that what should I do …………………

Thanks your help will be appreciated….

ram ram bhai tere is chinta ha solution khaap panchayet n kuch mahine pahle ker deya h bhai pahle hamari sadiyoo m 3 sername bachaye jate the father, mother (mama) grandmother. per hamari sadiyo m bar bar problem ke chalte ab khaap panchayet n sabhi ko keha h ki wo apna 3 gotre yani ki grandmother ka sername apni sadiyo m chod sakte h agar koi chodna chahey to panchayet ki taraf se koi problem nahi ho gi ha bhai agar apki famli or apki girl friend ki famli ko koi problem nahi h to app ki maried m kissi ko koi problem nahi ho sakti ha baki ye sab aap per h ki jo panchayet n neya kanoon lagu kiya h us per aap ka viswas h ya nahi

[jitendershooda]

http://www.punjabkesari.in/Details.a...boxid=28521332

[vijayran007]

Thanks for your help

[arvind1069]

bhai arvind
Agar pyar hi sabse upar hai to kisi ko apne gotra ki ladki se pyar ho jaye to unko bhi shaadi kar leni chahiye , aapke hisab se?

maine pyaar ko sabse upar to nahi kaha, par pyaar roorhivaad se to upar hi hai. agar koi aisa karna chahta hai to unhe rokne ke liye unki jaan lena theek nahi hai. unka samajik bahishkaar kar dena chahiye. unhe gaon se bahar nikaal dena chahiye. isme pyaaar ko b haani nahi hogi aur samajik system b theek rahega.

[malikdeepak1]

maine pyaar ko sabse upar to nahi kaha, par pyaar roorhivaad se to upar hi hai. agar koi aisa karna chahta hai to unhe rokne ke liye unki jaan lena theek nahi hai. unka samajik bahishkaar kar dena chahiye. unhe gaon se bahar nikaal dena chahiye. isme pyaaar ko b haani nahi hogi aur samajik system b theek rahega.

sab gaam chhod chhod bhaaj jyange bhai nu to.. gaam me fer panchayti e rah jaange :rock

[lrburdak]

1. Yes there is need for awareness about marriage matters. Even our villagelife is become individualistic. Social interaction is on the decline. .....
s.s.rana

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Welcome Rana Saheb on the Jatland !!!

Jatland will be highly enriched with your knowledge and experience.

Regards,

[vicky84]

Interview with victim's family and gram panchayat delegates.



http://www.bbc.co.uk/hindi/multimedi...audio_as.shtml

[vicky84]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/hindi/india/200...hyam_skj.shtml

[jitendershooda]

What do you feel this is personal step or influenced by the panchayats? What the khaps can do in this regard?

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2 killed for ‘honour’ in Haryana

http://www.tribuneindia.com/2009/20090807/main4.htm

Anil (22) and Rani (17) of Balhamba village, about 25 km from here, could not have imagined a punishment harsher than this for their “relationship” that was not acceptable to their families.

After being reportedly caught in a compromising position by the girl’s kin, the couple was brutally executed last night for saving the family honour.
According to police sources, Anil was called to the house of the girl late last night and was hacked to death after a heated argument over his alleged affair with Rani. While the boy was killed and his body dumped outside the village, the girl was strangulated and her last rites were performed early in the morning. The body of Anil was noticed by a kin early today.
SSP Anil Kumar Rao said the accused included the girl’s parents, uncles and brothers. They have been arrested and reportedly have confessed to their crime.
The SSP said: “The girl was alone in the house while some function was being held at the boy’s residence. Late at night, the boy went to the girl’s house but was spotted by the girl’s uncle. The family has admitted to have murdered the duo.”
A case had been registered on the complaint of Rajbir, father of the boy, against the girl’s family. A forensic team took bone samples of the girl from the cremation ground. Anil’s body was handed over to the police after a post-mortem examination.

[spdeshwal]

बुधं शरणम गच्छामि !


खाप पंचायत की इस घोषणा के बाद कि, हम जाट हिन्दू नहीं, बल्कि बोद्ध हैं , क्या में ये आशा कर सकता हूँ कि खाप पंचायते और उनकी वयवस्था में विश्वास रखने वाले जाट बुद्ध के बताये करूणा और इंसानियत के पहलु को, इस तरह कि कठिन घड़ियों में, अपने वयवहार में उज्जागर करेंगे और अपने मान सम्मान के नाम पर हत्या जैसे घृणित कृत्य अंजाम नहीं देंगे !
इस अति कठिन दौर से गुजर रहे रविंदर, शिल्पा और उनके परिवार के लिए मेरी यही प्रार्थना और सन्देश है :

जब दुःख कि घडियां आयें, सच पर झूठ विजय पाए !
इस निर्मल पावन मन पर, जब कलंक के फन छायें !
अन्यायों कि आंधी से, काप उठे जब तेरे बोल !
तब मानव तू मुख से बोल ...
बुधं शरणम गच्छामि ! (Film Angulimaal)



बुधं शरणम गच्छामि !

[rakeshsehrawat]

Panchayat Fansi/hatya ke fainsle bhi deti hai?

Mujhe nahi pata tha aap logo ne mujhe bata diya dhanyawad.

Gotra vivad ya gaon mein hi saadi jaisi baato pe gaon chodne ya rista todne ke fainsle hi sune the maine.
You guys are confusing Honour Killing and Panchayat's decision

Honour killing is done by family itself.
Ye bihar nahi haryana hai aur jin logo ne panchayat siraf filmo mein dekhi hai ya media (TV Newspaper) ki aankho se dekhi hai unse gujarish hai ki kam se kam ek baar jaroor dekh ke aayein. Itne bade fainsle aankh mund ke nahi liye jate aur wahan aapse kahin jyada budhiman padhe likhe aur samajhdar log baithe hain.

[spdeshwal]

Rakesh Bhai

I was born and brought up in village and spent all my life keeping in touch with my village folks. I have witnessed some Khap Punchayat, Barah, Athgama, punchayats. I am very well aware of their functioning. I have seen your Chaubisee Punchayat closely. I have seen them playing like puppets in the hands of their Akkas. I don't want to name them.

In most cases of honor killings, parents and family members commit the crime but under the pressure and some cases even the support of these punchayts?

What happened to Vedpal in Sighwal village of jind . Was it possible to murder him without the help of Punchayt and their supporters.

What do you think the delegates of these punchayats would openly order these sinful acts ?

Do these punchayats instruct their supporters, not to take law in their hand?
If you feel that these punchayats have any obligation to maintain the order in the society then it is their bloody duty to ensure that these kind of happenings get severest of condemation.

There are several other social evils that these self styled crusaders should fight for! I don't have to list them.

If these khap punchayats have some credibility and feel any pain for the Samaj than first thing they should do is to condemn and discourage these kind of senseless killings! I would specially expect this kind of reaction from delegates like Jat Historian Shri Beniwal.

Cheers!

[vicky84]

law is a rule of conduct established and enforced by the authority, legislation, or custom of a given community,state, or nation.

If custom of a given community does not allow a marriage in same gotra, then why law is not ammended accordingly.
and if panchayats are not able to ammend a law, then what they are trying to prove.

Head of panchayat Raj singh's opinion over gotra marriage:"humari parampra ye kehti hai ki jis gotra ka kheda ho us gotra ke andar ussi gotra ki ladki bhayi hui nahi aa sakti"
I am completely agree with this statement.

In the second part of his opinion: "kanoon apni jagah hai aur samaj ke niyam aur kaydae apni jagah hain" Such an ambiguous statment is a real cause of such issues.

[Samarkadian]

Finaly, it took the intervention of Sarv Khap Mahapanchyat to seal the final 'agreeable' verdict of Kadian-Gehlot Gotra Marriage row.

===> ढराणा गोत्र विवाद को लेकर बेरी के राजकीय वरिष्ठ विद्यालय में रविवार को आयोजित सर्व खाप महापंचायत ने रविंद्र को अपनी पत्नी शिल्पा के साथ आजीवन और उसके पिता रोहताश गहलोत को तीन माह के लिए ढराणा गांव से बाहर रहने का फैसला सुना दिया।
साथ ही रोहताश के भाइयों नसीब व वेदप्रकाश और कादियान बाहुल्य गांव में अपनी बेटी का रिश्ता करने वाले शिल्पा के पिता वेदप्रकाश निवासी सिवाह (पानीपत) के परिवार पर भी महापंचायत ने एक-एक कौड़ी का जुर्माना लगाने तथा किसी भी पक्ष द्वारा फैसला न माने जाने पर जातीय बहिष्कार का निर्णय भी किया। उधर महापंचायत के फैसले को मानते हुए देर शाम रोहतास ने अपने परिवार के साथ गांव छोड़ा <<<

It looks quite sympathatic to the Boy's family[Girl as well] from Media's point of popular view. Many members here must not know that former Sarpanch of Dharana Risal Singh [Grandfather of Boy] was key person in deciding the illfamous case of Aashish -Darshna in Village Joundhi. He had declaring the couple as Brother and sister. Karmas came back and bite his butt when his own grandson was fixed in a row. Gehlot Khap was even against this family on main issues. It was interesting to hear interview of Darshna who is victim of Risal's verdict that Why is he not following now the rules and regulations? Its funny and foolish to know that being a Sarpanch and involvement with Gotra cases, he was quiet. But it points something towards greed. The girl family at Siwah owns land at GT road which is almost of Crores. So like an old adage says:- Duniya mein Jhagde ke teen hi karan hote hain ; Jar, Joru aur Jamin.

During all this mess no Jat politician was interested in any statement. Lately Chautala tried to bump in with the same 'talibani model of Khaps but in end became politicaly correct out of Majboori. Meanwhile, few NGOs run by defaulters Jats[ Jatni infact] find this row as a mean to come in limelight like this :-

>>>>किसी दंपति को गांव से निकाल देने या फिर तलाक कराकर भाई बहन बनने पर मजबूर करने जैसे तुगलकी फरमान जारी करने वाली स्वयंभू पंचायतों व खापों के खिलाफ कड़ी कानूनी कार्रवाई होनी चाहिए।
रविवार को सेक्टर एक स्थित जाट धर्मशाला में आयोजित नागरिक सम्मेलन में यह आम राय उभरी। जनवादी महिला संगठन सहित कई बड़े-बडे़ संगठनों ने प्रेमी युगलों की सरेआम हत्याएं और इन मामलों में पुलिस की उदासीनता को निंदनीय करार देते हुए कहा कि ऐसे मामलों में प्रदेश सरकार को तुरंत हस्तक्षेप करनी चाहिए। वक्ताओं ने ढराणा, सिंहवाल और महम में हुई घटनाओं को दुर्भाग्यपूर्ण बताया व कानूनी कार्रवाई की मांग की। हरियाणा प्रशासनिक सुधार समिति के सदस्य डीआर चौधरी ने कहा कि युवक-युवतियों को सरेआम जान से मार देना और गोत्र विवाद के नाम पर पूरे परिवार को गांव के निकाल देना और उसकी संपत्ति पर कब्जा कर लेना गुंडाराज का ही सबूत है। जिस समाज में ठहराव आ जाता है, समझ लो वह समाज सड़ जाता है। जनवादी महिला समिति की राज्य अध्यक्षा जगमति सांगवान ने कहा कि जातिवादी खाप पंचायतें संविधान को ताक पर रख समाज की छवि को कलंकित कर रही हैं। सुप्रीम कोर्ट के एडवोकेट कीर्ति सिंह ने कहा कि इस मुद्दे पर विशेष कानून की जरूरत है। <<<<

Its true that concept of society is integrate people on every level. Society's backbone is on the basis not to leave an individual alone. Samaj aadmi ko akela hone se bachane ke liye hai na ki use akela karne ke liye. Since universaly nothing is perfect so people commit certain passionate mistakes and society extrude them to realize but since it is not tribal times but it is also not insensitive robotic era, so a moderate punishment is apt. Such issues should be sort out as soon as possible as they surface out else the existence of Khap system would be like a Peepal Tree on the wall of a house which would be appear as danger to home.

Some posters appeared to come in favour of Love and blah blah. I thought to bring out an excerpt on ''unconditional-Modern'' love by Ayan Rand :-

'To love is to value. The man who tells you that it is possible to value without values, to love those whom you appraise as worthless, is the man who tells you that it is possible to grow rich by consuming without producing and that paper money is as valuable as gold . . . . When it comes to love, the highest of emotions, you permit them to shriek at you accusingly that you are a moral delinquent if you’re incapable of feeling causeless love. When a man feels fear without reason, you call him to the attention of a psychiatrist; you are not so careful to protect the meaning, the nature and the dignity of love.

Love is the expression of one’s values, the greatest reward you can earn for the moral qualities you have achieved in your character and person, the emotional price paid by one man for the joy he receives from the virtues of another. Your morality demands that you divorce your love from values and hand it down to any vagrant, not as response to his worth, but as response to his need, not as reward, but as alms, not as a payment for virtues, but as a blank check on vices. Your morality tells you that the purpose of love is to set you free of the bonds of morality, that love is superior to moral judgment, that true love transcends, forgives and survives every manner of evil in its object, and the greater the love the greater the depravity it permits to the loved. To love a man for his virtues is paltry and human, it tells you; to love him for his flaws is divine.'




By the way, Khap's declaration of Jat as Non-Hindu sect, is purely defensive and self-defeating approach to few joker's[ Lungiwala Chidambaram and like him] mindless comments over Khap.

[jitendershooda]

If any of the members were present there, please share their views about that panchayat.....
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http://www.tribuneindia.com/2009/20090810/main4.htm

Pandemonium and violence marked the “sarva khap” meeting here today. The four-hour meeting on the campus of a government school was an unruly affair with “volunteers” beating up speakers who dared to differ with the prevailing view. They also assaulted a photo-journalist and broke his camera while he was taking pictures of the chaotic scenes at the meeting.

There were barely half a dozen policemen to control the situation. It is not clear if the organisers had sought any permission for the meeting, that too in a government school, but the administration seemed hardly prepared to handle the congregation of 2,000-odd people. As a result, one of the policemen present was also assaulted and later lodged a complaint with the DSP. The administration made no arrangement to record the proceedings of the khap and no action was taken against the volunteers till Sunday evening even after the photo-journalist was hospitalised.
One of the speakers, Jagdish Singh, was manhandled and assaulted by the “volunteers” when he dared to speak against the Kadian khap’s decision to disallow the wedding of Ravinder Gehlout with Shilpa Kadian. When he suggested that the marriage should be accepted, pandemonium broke out and he was dragged down from the stage and manhandled.
A small group of people seemed to be in control and the rest were passive onlookers. Nobody protested against the unruly behaviour of the volunteers. Nobody expressed any regret over the sorry spectacle and nobody intervened when the volunteers went on the rampage.
Most of the people sitting on the dais were elder citizens, but 55-year-old Subhash Dahiya was “elected” to preside over the meeting, which came as a surprise to old-timers. Women were, of course, conspicuous by their absence. And although as many as 53 khaps were represented, not more than six were allowed to express their “views”. It was billed as the mother of all meetings to decide the fate of one Gehlout family in Jhajjar which had allegedly done the unthinkable and accepted the marriage of one of their boys with a girl belonging to a Kadian family from Panipat. Both the boy and the girl , moreover, grew up in Delhi and continue to live there.