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  1. #41

    Khap Panchayat amd Indian Judicial System

    Mr. Kadyan,
    Thanks for pointing out the advantages and need for accepting the role of Panchaysts in dispensing justice. It is a pity that our leaders have completely fallen prey to a mind set which finds all that is traditional as irrelevant. Even the Mughals had recognised the role of Panchayats at least in civil matters. The British based their legislation for governance in India on the Smriti law and tradition. Platitude lauding the Panchayati Raj should be replaced by some bold action in handing over to the Panchayats what our Judiciary and execitive has failed to resolve. One can then hope for real suraaj.
    s.s.rana

  2. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by Ambijat View Post
    लक्षमण जी एक जानकारी चाहूँगा, कि क्या कारण है कि खापों का विकास पश्चिमी राजस्थान में नहीं हो पाया । नागौर, सीकर, अजमेर, टोंक, बाङमेर, जोधपुर व जयपुर में खाँप व्यवस्था नहीं पाई जाती है । दूसरा यह कि आगरा व आसपास के इलाकों सभी जाट गोत्र इस खाँप व्यवस्था से नहीं जुङे हुए हैं । यह कुछ महत्वपूर्ण प्रश्न हैं, जो कि खाँप व्यवस्था को समझने में मदद देंगे ।
    धन्यवाद ।
    Ambrishji,

    Khap sustem was there in Rajasthan prior to the rule of Rajputs but it was completely destroyed over a period of 500 years. Not only the system of organization of Jats was destroyed during this period but Jats were left with no resources. It was only a few years prioir to the independence that there was awakening through the Jat Mahasabhas.
    Laxman Burdak

  3. #43

    A nice article on Khap

    My grandfather recently wrote an article on Khap Panchayat which was published in Tribune Newspaper. Excerpt:


    A Tribune Special
    Why are political parties silent on khaps?
    These so-called panchayats must be banned, says D.R. Chaudhry


    IN its lead editorial in The Tribune (July 25), a question is posed in all anguish: “Who rules Haryana?: The law or the khaps?” The answer is resounding: “the khaps”. From meddling into marital affairs to ostracising a family and lynching a young man for violating khap norms of marriage, the institution of khap panchayat in Haryana has traversed its hideous journey from the grotesque to the macabre.

    The two marriages in question were not the same gotra marriages as erroneously reported in a section of the media. Grooms and brides in both cases belong to different gotras. Objections to these marriages rest on frivolous grounds — in one case some families of the bride’s gotra residing in her in-laws’ village while in another case the bride and the groom belonging to two neighbouring villages.


    Khap panchayat is largely a Jat institution around Delhi. It is a gotra-centric body covering a cluster of villages dominated by a particular gotra of Jats. All the members of a khap are supposed to be related to one another with ties of blood. This bhaichara (brotherhood) is the basis of solidarity. Marriage within the same khap is a taboo. Even marriage in the gawand (neighbourhood) is frowned upon.


    The khap is a medieval institution when Jats were tribals divided into clans. It acted as an instrument of security in an age marked by lawlessness. In modern times, it has outlived its utility when various institutions to maintain law and order are in operation.


    The functioning of khap panchayats in Haryana and elsewhere around Delhi poses some fundamental issues which must be given due consideration if the society has to retain its civilised character. First of all, the concept of bhaichara in the khap area which was the raison d’etre of the institution is a myth now. Improved means of communications, transport, mass media and the spread of modern education have exposed the rural youth to the outside world and have led many of them to reject the mores of tribal society. All the members of a khap are no longer regarded as brothers and sisters and the intimacy between the two sexes is getting quite common. When it takes the shape of a matrimonial alliance, this is taken as a threat to the haloed institution of khap and invites barbarous punishment.
    Secondly, the khap panchayat has no elective principle. Its so-called mukhias are self-appointed guardians of social mores. It has emasculated the electorally-constituted panchayats which give due representation to women and weaker sections.


    Thirdly, It has no idea of symbiotic relationship between tradition and modernity. Tradition untouched by modernity starts stinking while modernity cut off from tradition is shallow. It is the harmonious blend between the two which takes society forward. The lack of this understanding explains its rigidity. In this respect, the Gatwala khap of Malik Jats in Gohana sub-division of Sonepat district of Haryana has proved quite sensible.


    In cases of such marriages which recently rocked two villages in the state, the couple is advised to settle at any place other than the village of the groom and the issue is quietly buried. If this flexibility had been shown in the above two cases, the mammoth human tragedy — one young man brutally murdered while another narrowly escaped death after attempted suicide and his family currently living under serious threat — would have been avoided. Ravinder of Jhajjar district has been living with his aunt near Delhi for many years and had agreed to sever all relations with his parents while the deceased Ved Pal of Kaithal district had settled in Punjab.


    Fourthly, the observance of khap norms has become impractical with the changing complexion of rural society. For instance, Samchana village has more than 15 Jat gotras. If the khap norm of avoiding matrimonial alliance among these gotras is observed, marriage in this village is well nigh impossible. As such the norms have been relaxed.


    There are several villages in the khap belt which have about a dozen of Jat gotras, making matrimonial alliances a nightmare. Then there is a vast tract of land ranging from Fatehbad district in Haryana to Abohar-Fazilka in Punjab and adjoining areas of Rajasthan from Sri Ganganagar district to Bikaner, Jaisalmer and Badmer in Rajasthan where there is no khap system and every Jat-dominated village has almost all the Jat gotras prevalent in that area. Marriage in the same village is quite common in this belt.


    Chautala, a village in Haryana, that has produced several leading politicians in the state, has several dozen marriages among its different Jat gotras. Moreover, Punjabi and Bania communities in Haryana are quite flexible in matter of gotras in matrimonial alliances. It is only Jats wedded to khaps who still live in medieval times.


    The khap panchayat has become a law unto itself. It has evolved a parallel judicial system. Kangaroo courts are held and fatwas issued. Two ghastly incidents referred to above is not a rare occurrence. Several such episodes have occurred in the state and the culprits went scot- free. It is the kid-glove treatment meted out to khap custodians that has emboldened them to run amuck. A studied silence maintained by the leaders of all the political parties in Haryana except one left party is amazing. Consequently, Haryana has become a killing field for the youths eager for matrimonial alliances of their choice.


    The khap panchayat in Haryana sticks out like a sore thumb in the body politic — a diseased part incapable of being cured and hence needs to be amputated. It is time its unconstitutional activities were banned with a heavy hand.


    The Rajasthan High Court and the State Human Rights Commission took a suo motu notice of the functioning of the caste panchayats in the state and issued instructions to the state administration to apply a curb on them. The Home Ministry of Rajasthan vide its letter No. P-10(26) Home 13/98 dated February 14, 2001 issued instructions to the law enforcing agencies in the state to curb the unlawful functioning of the caste panchayats in the state. This has gone a long way to keep the monster under leash.


    Rapid advance made by Haryana in the material field is regressive in the face of growing moral decay and spiritual atrophy in the state, with a sizeable section of its population fast lapsing into the dark zone of barbarity and depravity. It is like getting all the riches on the earth after selling one’s soul to the Lucifer.

    He can be contacted on email id: drchaudhry@rediffmail.com

  4. #44

    D R Chaudhry

    Mayank


    Could we know a little more about your Grandfather.


    Perhaps you could write up a small biography of him.

    Has he written many articles ? I think I have seen his name before.

    Could you encourage him to communicate on this forum or on the Jathistory group or directly with me


    Ravi Chaudhary.

  5. #45
    Kapil Panchayat can be wrong at many time, but people as well take advantage of panchayats in many cases. It is not uncommon to say "Hum to bahar rahe se, kisko patta lagega. Same intention is very much possible in this case as both boy and girl were living in Delhi.
    So most probably parents did this knowingly, so why to blame panchayats.
    Rahi baat shadi kar ke laye the, bhaga ke nahi, that depends who they invited where it was arranged. if it was so open, I am sure it was not a very unknown fact in that villege that Kadyans are living there. Even if bioy did not know all this, I am sure parents , Tau, chacha knew about this, they are living in the villege.
    Even here on jatland there was one post from the relative of the family, where he tried to patray, that it was all because of property dispute, nothing else. Does that look like that now ?

    And yes I think it is setting example, directly or indirectly
    It is very unfortunate all this happens after the marriage took place, but family is more responsible for this than the panchayat. It is not a uncommon rules in villeges regarding the bhaichara and I am sure people in villege know about this. Now if some one does not even spend 5-10 mnts talking to Bade budhe of villege, why to blame panchayats.
    Panchayats decision of not letting boy and girl is nothing wrong, if they can not follow the rules of society, why they want to live in one?

    Quote Originally Posted by kapil.dalal View Post
    Yes, very good point! Problem isi baat se hai ki saara kaam ho jaane pe kuchh log apna hanga dikhana chaahte hain. Maine pehle waale thread pe bhi poochha tha ki kisi ko to khabar rahi hogi shaadi se pehle, is case mein to bhaja ke nahin laaye the...proper shaadi hui thi. Tab panchayat ne khilafat ki thi ki nahin? Ab rolla karne se kya faayda hoga- ab to shaadi ho gayi. Aisa bhi nahin hai ki example set kiya ja raha hai. Har 2-4 mahine mein ek naya maamla aa jaata hai. Kisi case mein jabran rakhi bandhwaayi jaati hai, kisi case main murder karr diya jaata hai. Kuchh logon ki zindagi barbaad hoti hai aur mudda to wahi rehta hai. Aisa to hua nahin ki yeh sab karne se case band ho gaye.
    "No one can make you feel inferior without your consent..."

  6. #46
    [QUOTE=MayankKp;220902]My grandfather recently wrote an article on Khap Panchayat which was published in Tribune Newspaper. Excerpt:


    Here is one reason we need more enlightenment.

    **********


    Make this boy his wife's brother! Haryana's Cultural Dilemma

    Rajbir Deswal , ANTA: Jan 4 2009
    http://rajbirdeswal.instablogs.com/e...tural-dilemma/


    The Khap Panchayats which are Kangaroo Courts dispence crude, brutal,abortive and senseless judgements in Haryana(an Indian state) like “Make this boy his wife’s brother for they belong to the same Gotra(Lineage or sirname) !” Rajbir Deswal’s book review of Haryana At Crossroads published in The Tribune exposes all that and much more...!


    Popularly known as ‘Dee Aar’ in Haryana, the author is a man of many parts — an educationist, political commentator, social activist, thinker and philosopher rolled into one. Haryana at Crossroads, on the one hand, opens windows on current burning Haryana issues, and on the other, it provides a deep insight into the state’s glorious past, degenerated into a near-tribal cultural milieu.
    The present-day Haryana’s devolvement is commented upon as having been a result of politics of populism propagated by the Lals of Haryana, with its slothful distinction of excelling in the art of ‘Aaya Ram, Gaya Rams’, en masse defections allegorised as ‘Ali Baba and 40 Thieves’, consequence of which manifested itself into the powers that be turning into whipping boys, doing the bidding of the Centre, and the common Harayanvi caring two hoots for discipline to be adhered to, in building up a society conducive to civic norms.


    D. R. Chaudhry believes in Raymond William’s definition of culture, “Culture is no finished but static thing. It is a process that has continually to be renewed, recreated, defended and modified.” He laments that one comes across “a Jat, a Brahmin, an Ahir, a Punjabi or a local” in Haryana, but it is difficult to meet a Haryanvi in Haryana. He traces the origin of this dichotomy attributable to the collapse of the Mauryan empire providing opportunity of a free-for-all scenario, replete with looting, plundering, marauding of the region by the Greeks, Shakas, Scythians, Parthian, Hoons and Kushans.


    According to the author, no social reforms movements ever visited the tradition-bound state except the Arya Samaj in its revivalist but backward-looking character. He rightly laments the absence of a cultural renaissance which could influence and impact the Haryanvis in acquiring a modern sensibility. This could also have led to avoiding crises in agriculture, industry, education, infrastructure, social justice, political formations, etc.
    Chaudhry firmly believes in having a middle class, which has eluded Haryana, and which compels the sovereign to give better and accountable administration in terms of security, health, education and generating employment, etc. There are very few theatre groups in the state and there is no established film industry. Haryanvi dialect did not find a script and an appropriate literature unlike Punjabi. Patronising of art and culture in the state remained neglected in the absence of powerful feudalistic families which are known to spare their kitty for such like finer genres in a civilised and mature society. Step by step, the author diagnoses the ills the “unfortunate state” has been suffering since ages and it’s not being able to suitably adapt itself to the much-hyped modernity and its likely fall out.

    Long-standing disputes of water with Punjab, including the states’ Capital issue, find mention in the book.

    The author believes in Dr M.S. Swaminathan recommendations of measuring up with the ill effects of ‘exploitative agriculture’. Special Economic Zones (SEZs) have also been delineated in detail but the author is skeptical if the present-day powers that be, linked up with Reliance and other industrial houses, would be able to pay back enough, in terms of employment generation, and tax collection for the state exchequer, besides all Haryanvis’ collective acceptance of the concept of SEZs.

    The book finds apt and objective handling of the situation as it obtains in the state. It calls a spade a spade and does not paint a rosy picture in itself. The universities lack autonomy and are second-grade government departments. Chaudhry believes in bringing about changes in the transfer policy and also that the panchayats’ and other civic bodies’ role in the spread of primary and higher education needs to be addressed. The author is also worried about the falling status of women in the state and suggests ways and means to appropriate the sex ratio and arrest female foeticide.

    The issue of social justice also gets equally dexterous treatment at the hand of Chaudhry when he describes khap panchayats as ‘Kangaroo courts’ dispensing justice in crude, brutal, abortive and senseless adjudications. It is to the author’s credit that very recently, the Punjab and Haryana High Court referred to an article published by him in The Tribune on the same subject while hearing petitions against the ‘fatwas’ (edicts), issued by the khap panchayats which did have their relevance but in an era gone bye. The book is a must-read for scholars and researchers besides all those interested in Haryana affairs.

    The Tribune Book Review at
    http://www.tribuneindia.com/2009/200...trum/book4.htm

    END

  7. #47

    A nice Article

    Quote Originally Posted by MayankKp View Post
    My grandfather recently wrote an article on Khap Panchayat which was published in Tribune Newspaper. Excerpt:


    A Tribune Special
    Why are political parties silent on khaps?
    These so-called panchayats must be banned, says D.R. Chaudhry


    [LEFT]I[FONT=Verdana][SIZE=2]N its lead editorial in The Tribune (July 25), a question is posed in all anguish: “Who rules Haryana?: The law or the khaps?”

    answer is resounding: “the khaps”.



    There are sever

    He can be contacted on email id: drchaudhry@rediffmail.com
    This is exactly the question- whose law shall prevail- British law, or Jat law?


    The reason there is no Khaps left in Rajasthan, is that they were destroyed by the Rajput- Muslim, and then the Rajput - British hegemony.

    The Khaps could not be completely destroyed in Haryana and UP

    Ravi Chaudhary

  8. #48
    I am sorry. his email id is: chaudhrydr@rediffmail.com

    He would be glad to interact with people and discuss on the related issue with interested people.

  9. #49
    Rahul

    Yes, he writes many articles mainly related to Haryana in different newspapers. You may contact him at chaudhrydr@rediffmail.com .

  10. #50
    Quote Originally Posted by MayankKp View Post
    I am sorry. his email id is: chaudhrydr@rediffmail.com

    He would be glad to interact with people and discuss on the related issue with interested people.
    Mayank

    Perhaps he could become a member here, and participate on this jat forum.

    He is also welcome to join the Jathistory group, URL below.

    Would he be willing?


    Where does he live?



    Ravi Chaudhary.

  11. #51
    Ravi ji

    Shri DR Chaudhry was owner/editor of the very popular weekly 'Pingh'.
    He was chairman of the HPSC, probably in late 70'sor early 80's and was instrumental in the selection of many jat HCS. He hails from village Chautala and settled in Rohtak for the last 3 decades. He is the father of Jatland member and Film Director Ashwini Chaudhry. I hope Mayank can post more information as he certainly deserves a place in Jat Wiki.


    Cheers!

  12. #52

    D R Chaudhary

    [QUOTE=spdeshwal;220988]Ravi ji

    Shri DR Chaudhry was owner/editor of the very popular weekly 'Pingh'.
    He was chairman of the HPSC, probably in late 70'sor early 80's and was instrumental in the selection of many jat HCS. He hails from village Chautala and settled in Rohtak for the last 3 decades. He is the father of Jatland member and Film Director Ashwini Chaudhry. I hope Mayank can post more information as he certainly deserves a place in Jat Wiki.


    Cheers![/QUOT

    Can you tell us more?

    His childhood, his education, his goth, etc

    A biographical detail.


    Ravi Chaudhary

  13. #53
    Quote Originally Posted by lrburdak View Post
    Ambrishji,

    Khap sustem was there in Rajasthan prior to the rule of Rajputs but it was completely destroyed over a period of 500 years. Not only the system of organization of Jats was destroyed during this period but Jats were left with no resources. It was only a few years prioir to the independence that there was awakening through the Jat Mahasabhas.
    I would have greatly appreciated if any historical account is referred. Recently, I came across the writings of Co. James Todd who has written extensively on Rajputana (the then Rajasthan). He refers to the Jat dominions in giving them a term 'canton'. This was actually a rural spread and yes a few of them commanded a political organisation eg the Godaras, Beniwals, Pooniahs, but they did not represent the vast number of Jat gotras and in fact the territorial sovereignty was actually in the hands of individual tillers except the pastures which were collective. I still doubt that all the Jats of Rajasthan would have had a khap like system. Even the cantons could not be put at par with the khaps.
    Keep a bigger heart than than what you had yesterday!

  14. #54
    Ambrish

    What Todd calls cantons are actually Khaps.

    The Godharas had over 700 villages in their Khap.

    Do not carried away by Todd's writiings and interpretaions.

    He was not there to write a Histsory of the Jats

    Please discuss your thoughts on the History section thread.

    see :

    Rajastan, Rajputana and Khaps

    http://www.jatland.com/forums/showth...036#post221036.

    Here let us stay with the main topic and not dilute it


    Ravi Chaudhary

  15. #55
    Quote Originally Posted by MayankKp View Post
    I am sorry. his email id is: chaudhrydr@rediffmail.com

    He would be glad to interact with people and discuss on the related issue with interested people.
    I have sent him an invitation to join Jatland and the Jathistory group.

    Perhaps you can help him register !

    He is also most welcome to contact me directly


    Ravi Chaudhary

  16. #56
    Quote Originally Posted by ravichaudhary View Post
    Ambrish

    What Todd calls cantons are actually Khaps.

    The Godharas had over 700 villages in their Khap.

    Do not carried away by Todd's writiings and interpretaions.

    He was not there to write a Histsory of the Jats

    Please discuss your thoughts on the History section thread.

    see :

    Rajastan, Rajputana and Khaps

    http://www.jatland.com/forums/showth...036#post221036.

    Here let us stay with the main topic and not dilute it


    Ravi Chaudhary
    I believe Todd equally did not have any partisan attitude towards Rajputs either. He actually did a survey of states and thereby noted from Bardic accounts which in no case would have anything special to say for the Jats. But, the fact remains that all Jat gotras do not have this khap system as it essentially the tribal form.

    It is very important to make distinction between the community organisations such as those of Paliwals and Jains, which were as rural and enforcing as the khaps, but still they were far remote from any notion of the khaps.

    This khap system which has actually vilified the humble history of the Jats seems to be still holding ground in the particular belt of Haryana (not all) is because of some socio-cultural distinctiveness of the Jats of this particular region.

    That's my only contention!
    regards!
    Keep a bigger heart than than what you had yesterday!

  17. #57
    मैंने चौधरी साहब की शादी के बारे में लिखा था जो के डिलीट कर दिया गया | शायद किसी mod को ये बात अखर गई हो | मैं सिर्फ इतना बताना चाहता था की सिरसा की तरफ के बागडी जाटों में अपने गाँव में शादी करने का रिवाज हैं व बागड़ी जाटों में खाप प्रणाली नहीं हैं जबकि हमारे देशवाली जाटों में खाप प्रणाली होती हैं | शादी के वक़्त हमे इन खापों के गाँव भाईचारे के तहत छोड़ने होते हैं | चौधरी साहब का खाप प्रणाली का विरोध लाजमी हैं , उनकी तरफ खुद के गाँव में ही शादी पर कोई ऐतराज नहीं होता और न ही उनकी तरफ खाप प्रणाली हैं |

  18. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by arvindjangu View Post
    मैंने चौधरी साहब की शादी के बारे में लिखा था जो के डिलीट कर दिया गया | शायद किसी mod को ये बात अखर गई हो | मैं सिर्फ इतना बताना चाहता था की सिरसा की तरफ के बागडी जाटों में अपने गाँव में शादी करने का रिवाज हैं व बागड़ी जाटों में खाप प्रणाली नहीं हैं जबकि हमारे देशवाली जाटों में खाप प्रणाली होती हैं | शादी के वक़्त हमे इन खापों के गाँव भाईचारे के तहत छोड़ने होते हैं | चौधरी साहब का खाप प्रणाली का विरोध लाजमी हैं , उनकी तरफ खुद के गाँव में ही शादी पर कोई ऐतराज नहीं होता और न ही उनकी तरफ खाप प्रणाली हैं |
    इस प्रकार के निजि तर्क किसी व्यक्ति के सार्वजनिक जीवन के विचार का आधार नहीं होता है, ऐसे बहुत से जाट समुदाय हैं जो कि खाप के बारे में किसी भौगोलिक आधार को नहीं मानते हैं । मसला सिर्फ गोत्र टालने का है जो कि चार गोतों से तय हो जाता है । इससे अधिक चीजों को जटिल बनाने में कहाँ की समझदारी है ।
    Keep a bigger heart than than what you had yesterday!

  19. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by Ambijat View Post
    I believe Todd equally did not have any partisan attitude towards Rajputs either. He actually did a survey of states and thereby noted from Bardic accounts which in no case would have anything special to say for the Jats. But, the fact remains that all Jat gotras do not have this khap system as it essentially the tribal form.

    It is very important to make distinction between the community organisations such as those of Paliwals and Jains, which were as rural and enforcing as the khaps, but still they were far remote from any notion of the khaps.

    This khap system which has actually vilified the humble history of the Jats seems to be still holding ground in the particular belt of Haryana (not all) is because of some socio-cultural distinctiveness of the Jats of this particular region.

    That's my only contention!
    regards!
    -6+

    With respect, your contention, can be questioned.

    The Khap is not simply a community based organization. like the Jains have..

    It is a geographical orgainzation, and in the Khaps the jains would also have to be part of and live by Khap decisions ( they were dominated by Jats - true.)

    Todd's work was to glorify the Rajputs, and in that context you need to rethink your approach and conclusions.

    Towards glorifying them he negated Jat History and appropriated it to the Rajputs.

    The Rajputs and Muslims, together destroyed the Khaps in Rajasthan,as the British did in Haryana and U.P after 1857.,

    For a detailed discussion, please post your comments , on the History section.

    Here as I have pointed out earlier, it only clogs up and distracts from the main discussion.


    Ravi Chaudhary

  20. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by Ambijat View Post
    इस प्रकार के निजि तर्क किसी व्यक्ति के सार्वजनिक जीवन के विचार का आधार नहीं होता है, ऐसे बहुत से जाट समुदाय हैं जो कि खाप के बारे में किसी भौगोलिक आधार को नहीं मानते हैं । मसला सिर्फ गोत्र टालने का है जो कि चार गोतों से तय हो जाता है । इससे अधिक चीजों को जटिल बनाने में कहाँ की समझदारी है ।

    Please elaborate and expand with evidence and examples.


    Ravi Chaudhary

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