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  1. #61
    thanks members for your valuable time and your excellent opinion(s)

    going further into the discussion, let’s face the current scenario. US of A, the world's biggest economy, consumes around a quarter of global energy and causes nearly 30 per cent (correct me if i’m not wrong) of worldwide greenhouse gas emissions. though, china now threatens to become the world’s biggest emitter of greenhouse gases, but that too partly because it manufactures products to satiate bulbous american appetite and consumption demands.

    lets check the history as well… the federal govt. of US of A, always washed its hands on the issue by consistently refusing to ratify the kyoto protocol to the UN framework convention on climate change. not only that, few american corporations attempt to cover up their horrible track records on the environment by making only the paltriest efforts to help. you can find numerous examples, but let me quote you one... some time back, wal-mart was pushing to sell 100 million CFL bulbs and american media going all applauds... thereby conniving from the fact that more than half the electricity in the US of A comes from coal-burning plants. and when the after-effects of tampering mother nature were unleashed (if for a moment we take into account the old ‘global warming’ theory), look how ill-prepared we found america to combat major natural calamities... hurricane katrina - a good example.

    the developed countries have a "historical responsibility" to do much more, because their unrestrained emissions in the past century are responsible for this holy mess. these developed economies, US of A in particular, caused the problem of climate change in the first place... and now, i dont think they have any right to figure it out to the current developing economies of BRIC countries (brazil, russia, india and china)… but that does not give any good reason to wash our hands from this responsibility.

    now take china… china, on its part, as we all know was a victim of its repressive regime and maoist politics that hindered economic growth while other economies were streaking ahead of it... having said that, we must not forget that china did signed up to the kyoto protocol on climate change, but, as a developing country, it does not have a cap on its emissions and so happens to be true for other BRIC countries.

    the struggle to save the planet/mother nature from the ill effects of ‘mother nature’ tampering is therefore yet another reason (as discussed above) why capitalism must be replaced with a system that places people on the 1st priority and the environment that sustains them rather than over profits.

    … to be continued.

    p.s. : extracted and refined from my previous post(s) on the subject.
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    More proof that I am not the only one who thinks this whole Global Warming thing is bogus. People who have made careers out of Global Warming, themselves do not want to live the glorified "Peasant Life" that they want everyone else to live.

    http://women.timesonline.co.uk/tol/l...cle6931572.ece

    To add insult to injury, IPCC (UN Body on Climate Change) wont entertain an independent investigation into revelations from its emails that they suppressed contradictory Data and Opinion. They think theres instead needs to be an investigation into who hacked into their emails:

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/environmen...-leaked-emails

    I know its cool to claim to be "Eco Friendly" these days because your favorite Rock Star says so. But like them, are you a hypocrite too?

    A month ago, I was at a friends place in India. Their fourth-grader son was doing an assignment on Global Warming. I wonder how his teacher has altered her lifestyle since she got enlightened about the "dangers of Global Warming," that she has the nerve to give assignments to little children on the subject.

    Treat Global Warming like a debate and not like a fact.
    Last edited by dahiyarules; December 1st, 2009 at 03:47 PM.

  3. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by brahmtewatia View Post
    [/SIZE][/COLOR][/FONT]the struggle to save the planet/mother nature from the ill effects of ‘mother nature’ tampering is therefore yet another reason (as discussed above) why capitalism must be replaced with a system that places people on the 1st priority and the environment that sustains them rather than over profits.

    … to be continued.

    p.s. : extracted and refined from my previous post(s) on the subject.
    Your assumption is that Capitalism is evil. Again, that sounds so sweet, but scary. You have no understanding of what Capitalism is.

    Capitalism is the voice of the people. If there is one economic system that puts people first, its Capitalism because it caters to people's needs, desires and opinions and not to some bureacracy's needs, desires and opinions, like socialism does.

    What has become in the US is not Capitalism. In US we have Socialism for the rich, where the rich/big corporations use their money and influence in political circles to get undue favors, the cost of which is socialized among the ordinary people who pay for it either in higher taxes or in terms of market inefficiencies.

    We can achieve true Capitalism only if we can cut the access line between the Rich and the Powerful Politicians.

    So, if you have an axe to grind against Capitalism, dont worry your wish has being granted incrementally each day for the past 100 years as we are becoming a Socialist Society. We havent been truly Capitalist for over a 100 years.

    Trust me the super rich dont like Capitalism either. Because under Capitalism it will be a free for all to get wealthy. And the super rich understand that there is only a limited amount of wealth in the world. What they have today could belong to someone else tomorrow in a true Capitalist society.

  4. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by dahiyarules View Post
    Your assumption is that Capitalism is evil. Again, that sounds so sweet, but scary.
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    Trust me the super rich dont like Capitalism either. Because under Capitalism it will be a free for all to get wealthy. And the super rich understand that there is only a limited amount of wealth in the world. What they have today could belong to someone else tomorrow in a true Capitalist society.
    did i say that ?... now you seem to be imposing your assumptions on me and further making your assumptions galore on a pony ride.

    what i said was... "the ill effects of tampering mother nature is therefore yet another reason why capitalism must be replaced with a system that places people on the 1st priority and the environment that sustains them rather than over profits" (<<< emphasize your thoughts here, marked red and underlined and try catch the essence).


    ... assumption has no basis, what is true to one instance may or may not be true in other. anyway, i dont want to get into the rhetoric of discussing capitalism or socialism and their merits/demerits. read the line in red now, and stop just cherry picking the words to start another rhetoric. otherwise, i will stop trusting you.
    Last edited by brahmtewatia; December 1st, 2009 at 07:33 PM. Reason: added word STOP
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    Paul Krugman - The Nobel Prize guy on Climate Change Summit in Copenhagen:

    http://www.nytimes.com/2009/12/07/op...n.html?_r=1&bl

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    A big majority of scientists claim that man-made greenhouse gases are contributing to global warming and you say that is not so. Then what motive do the scientists have to cook up such a lie? what is this big conspiracy that you talk of? Can you disprove what scientists are saying? (I doubt it) Even Bush panel agreed man made greenhouse gases are contributing big time to global warming.

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    Exclamation Arrogant America meets his new Boss - China

    as expected world's biggest polluters US of A and china clashed at the rift-marred climate talks over the issue of emission cuts and funding mechanism plans... the situation more or less goes like... 'पहले आप... पहले आप'. obama’s pledge to cut US greenhouse gas emissions - in the range of 17% below 2005 levels by 2020 is too less and too late... china has its own theories. earlier it was arrogant america now it is arrogant china... गई भैन्स गड्ढे में.

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    COPENHAGEN - The United States and China were at odds Thursday at the UN climate conference over who to blame and who should pay for global warming with Washington saying Beijing was a low priority for compensation.

    Earlier China's top delegate in Copenhagen blamed rich countries like the United States for global warming and said they had a duty to pay out billions of dollars in compensation to poorer, developing countries.

    However, China would not be the top of any U.S. list of countries receiving compensation for the effects of global warming.

    "The Chinese have enormous capacity," U.S. negotiator Jonathan Pershing told AFP.

    "If you think about what will be prioritised in terms of the needs of the community for most of the countries, the poorest countries, the countries that are hardest hit -- I wouldn't start with China," he said.

    China and the United States are the world's two largest carbon polluters and it is widely agreed that no climate deal at the crunch summit will be possible unless the two superpowers find common ground.

    On Wednesday, China's climate ambassador Yu Qingtai reacted strongly to a similar suggestion by top U.S. negotiator Todd Stern, saying rich countries had caused the problem of global warming.

    They therefore had to pay to help poor countries switch to low-carbon technology and shore up their defences against climate change, Yu said.
    "Provision of financial support to developing countries by developed countries is not an act of charity or philanthropy of rich people," Yu told a press conference.

    "It is the legal and historical responsibility of the developed countries."
    Stern had earlier rejected the notion that the U.S. or other developed countries owed "reparations".

    "We absolutely recognize our historic role in putting emissions in the atmosphere, up there, but the sense of guilt or culpability or reparations, I just categorically reject that," Stern said.

    Developing nations "can't get a pass" from calls to burn less fossil fuels that cause climate change, he said.

    Stern added: "I don't envision public funds, certainly not from the U.S., going to China."

    "China -- to its great credit -- has a dynamic economy, and sits on some two trillion dollars in reserves. So we dont think China would be the first candidate for public funding."

    Asked about these remarks, Yu said abruptly: "Such a question does not exist. China has never sought to become the first candidate of financial support."

    Emissions curbs and funding issues are at the heart of the December 7-18 marathon talks under the UN flag for tackling global warming after 2012.
    China is world's No. 1 carbon polluter, its emissions overtaking those of the United States in 2005 or 2006, as expressed in volume terms, according to various analyses.

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