12 points by MahaPanchayat - How much you agree?

[malikdeepak1]

Jitender bhaisaab were you present at that mahasammelan? If yes, then i would like to get few answers from you.
I would say again that killing is not the solution. Educating youth by parents and relatives is a must rather.

Please find my comments and question in line.

महापंचायत में लिए गए फैसले
1. हिंदू विवाह अधिनियम में संशोधन किया जाए। इस संशोधन के तहत खून व दूध के रिश्ते, खुद के गोत्र व मां के गोत्र में शादियां नहीं होंगी। यह प्रावधान अधिनियम में किया जाए।

Agreed to this point.
2.गांव की गांव में और जिस गोत्र का गांव में खेड़ा हो, उस मुख्य गोत्र की लड़की उसी गांव में ब्याही नहीं जाएगी।

sirf mukhya gotr kyu? agar dusre gotr ke sirf 5-7 ghar hai gaon me to unke gotr ki koi manyata nahi "bhaichaare" me?
Wo kisi dusre jagah se aaye hai or us gaon me aakar bas gaye hai to unko bhi "bhaichaare" me count karna chaiye. Nahi to unko gaon me basne hi nahi dena chaiye.

3. सीमा लगते हुए गांवों में भी शादियां नहीं की जाएंगी।

Please elaborate on this point. ek gaam ki seem dusre gaam me er dusre ki teesre gaam me laage hai. nyu to byah hove e koni kise ka.

4. मनोज-बबली हत्याकांड में 10-10 रुपये इकट्ठा कर फांसी की सजा प्राप्त पांच लोगों का केस हाईकोर्ट में लड़ा जाएगा।

Ke baat voluntarily pise koni diye ke koe se ne? Jma nistar ge ye to. Je koe se khaap ka neta 5-10 laakh bol de hai sammelan me court case laden tai to acha political mileage mil jata. Er ke bera aagle chunaav me jeet bhi jata.

5. मंदिर और कोर्ट शादी में गवाह के रूप में दोनों पक्षों के माता-पिता, गांव के नंबरदार, सरपंच होने चाहिए। यदि इनके अलावा कोई गवाह होता है तो यह शादी मान्य नहीं होगी।

Vijay bhaisaab ne sahi kahi hai ke je sare raji se to chora er chori ne bawla kutta paad ke ja rhya se jo court me javenge byah karen tai?

6. खाप पंचायतों के फैसलों को लोक अदालतों का दर्जा देकर उन्हे मान्यता दी जाए।
mukadma khada ho jaga je yu ho gya to. Je kise ne inke faisle ke khilaf high court me appeal kar di er wo case jeet gya to us high court aale judge ki bhi maren-maut aa jagi bichare ki. "honor" ke against faisala kis trah suna diya?

7. जनगणना 2010 में सभी अपना वैदिक धर्म लिखवाएं।
No comment. likhna hai likho na to taal maro. ak iska bhi kanoon banwaoge?

8. जो नेता व संगठन पंचायतों के खिलाफ बोलते है, उनकी कड़े शब्दों में निंदा की जाए।
Sirf ninda?? jo unke against bol rha hai wo jatt samaj ki sabhyata nahi jante unke according. uski to honor killing karni hi chaiye. aade gadbad karge thodi si. ya is "ninda" shabd ka abhipray wahi hai?

9. दिल्ली में यदि कोई आंदोलन होता है तो उसकी तारीख का फैसला बाद में किया जाएगा।

Sahi se. Mhari tax bhar ke kad toot le se, er ye andolan karke bus, rail me aag laa denge.Fer sarkar tax badha degi, fer mhari or kad toot jagi. Inke ghar te kime na jave.
Pichli bar jo andolan hua tha "jat reservation" ke liye usme kitni safaalta mili? Er je ibke andolan hovega to paakka rola machega.

10. आंदोलन के दौरान राज्य अथवा दिल्ली में कहीं भी कोई नुकसान होता है तो सरकार की जिम्मेदारी होगी।
"nuksaan"!! my comment is same as for point 9.

11. जिला स्तर पर 36 बिरादरी की कमेटी गठित की जाए।
No comments.
12. जिला बार एसोसिएशनों से सामाजिक मुद्दों पर संघर्ष में सहयोग लिया जाए।
Kripya in muddo pe thodi roshni daliye ki ye kaunse honge? Tabhi iske uppar koi tippanni ki ja sakti hai.

[singhvp]

Jitender Bhai, any option for not supporting anyone of these points ? If not so then i can convince myself to agree with the half part ( Bold ) of the first point ONLY.




99.99% Jat population don't marry within same gotra or mother's gotra by their own will and happpiness. Then why we need to make law for this ?

Do you really think that for the .000000000000000001% of the Total Jat population ( who go against this ) we need amendment in the Hindu Marriage Act.

So i agree only with the half part.



This is not uniformly practiced by the overall Jat community. A region specific tradition should not and cannot be forced on overall Jat population.

So , Can't agree.




Every village have border with some other villeges and those villeges with many other villeges. So how many villeges should be avoided ? Not feasible in present day scenario.

So, can't agree.




By helping those killers Khaps are appreciating and supporting the honor killing.

There is no way to agree on this point.



अगर दोनों पक्षों के माता पिता , गाँव के नम्बरदार और सरपंच उनकी शादी के लिए राज़ी हो तो क्या उन्हें काले कुत्ते ने काटा है जो मंदिर या कोर्ट में शादी करने जायेंगे |

Most stupid point and no way to agree on this.



Khaps are already loosing their significance and penetration among the Jat population by imposing some disgusting and stupid decision. Court should plan to ban such panchayats.

Don't agree.



This have nothing to do with social problems of Jats. Neither it can help the Khaps to stop these type of marriages.

Just a burdon on the so called Jat Manifesto.



और जो लोग हत्यारों की सहायता करते हैं उनकी तारीफ़ करनी चाहिए !




Is it a point ?



What can be achieved by this ?



So that some new faces can get recognition and maybe some political mileage.



Is marriage issue is the only social issue ? These panchayat naver made any headline by putting up their efforts to eradicate any social sickness among the mass. There are so many other important issues but that hardly reward them with such a limelight.


Overall i agree with just half of the first point ONLY.

I do not think there can be any better or clearer explanation. Bravo Vijay. Excellant.

[nitindev]

Nicely put and rightly criticized all the hilarious points made by khap. Jat living in western UP, or anywhere in towns and cities are completely unaware of Khaps, including myself. To people like me it is totally an insignificant association. स्पष्ट शब्दों में कहूँ तो, उन्होंने अपना सम्पूर्ण गंवारपना दिखाया है इन बारह तर्कों में. गंवारपना का पढ़ाई से कोई मतलब नही, सोच से मतलब है.

Talking about the first point, I think that there are some Hindu castes which completely agree and infact promote same gotra marriage. So, dont you think that they will protest against such amendments? Or is this amendment gonna be only for Jats, which will open a new pandora box for the potential amendments from all the communities.

Jitender Bhai, any option for not supporting anyone of these points ? If not so then i can convince myself to agree with the half part ( Bold ) of the first point ONLY.

[bsanjusmily]

yes sir,,,,,,,i m agree with you..........................u r right......u h many other important matters of our society....why we are giving so importance to this matter........kisi insaan ko jaan se marne ka haq kisne diya??????how u dare to kill some one.......thats only wrth discussion.....bus khaap ke neta apni rozi roti ke liye sab.....kar rahe h.....killer ke liye paisa ikathhe karenge......koi unse poochhe...kisi garib jat..jiske pass roti nhi h..beti ki shaadi ko..paise nhi h,,,,study karne ko nhi h....aaj tak kisi khaap leader ne help ki h...???buss neta giri karwalo.......

[bsanjusmily]

only first point is very gud.......ek giotra me shaadi nhi honi chahiye.....thts gud decision........baaki sab to.....

[mhundpuriamann]

जब मैं छोटा था मेरी दादी मुझे एक बात सिखाती थी दूध की रेस्पेक्ट करो ! उन्होंने धीरे धीरे मेरे subconcious mind में ये बात बिठा दी थी !
अब मैंने काफी दुनिया देख ली है बहुत टाइप के लोगों से भी मिल चूका हूँ लेकिन मैंने आजतक कोई भी ऐसा बन्दा नहीं देखा जिसकी दादी ने या मम्मी ने उसे ऐसा कुछ बोला हो ! ये सिर्फ एक उदहारण है , सिर्फ एक बात है !
moral of the story is that , that हम लोगों (jat people ) का culture अलग है , हमारे विचार अलग हैं even हमारी body बाकि हिन्दुओं से अलग है (i am just saying we r different best and better is another topic )
मैं बुजुर्गों की तरह ज्यादा तो नहीं जानता पर ये एक सच्चाई है की अपनी चीज अपनी ही होती है , अपने खेत कि काबली किकरी भी दूसरे के आम के पेढ़ से ज्यादा प्यारी लगती है !
एक बार को अगर ये gene pool (same गोत्र first cousin etc . ) वाली scientific बातें chorh भी दें और एक बात पकर लें कि ये जैसी भी हैं हमारी कस्टम्स हैं ! हम इनसे खुश हैं तो ये साले २ टेक के लोग ( non jats and sharma malhotra type who r in media and trying to show us that we don ' t know anything and we r barbarians ) हमें हमारी रुढ़िवादी मेंटालिटी के साथ छोढ़ क्यों नहीं देते ! i have a perfect example for this , just yesterday i saw on discovery that एक शेर को पिस्सुओं ने पागल बना रखा था , यहाँ भी same केस है these people r just like पिस्सू , democratic country my foot , hindus my foot , india my foot ! if they don ' t respect our elders ( they comment shamelessly on pnchayat एंड panchs ) then i 'll also show there actual place !

All points (१२ ) are 100 % correct ! if u r seeing anything wrong than u r wrong ! than some problem is there with you not with them !

सबको यहाँ सब पता है कि हमारे बुजुर्गों ने हमें क्या सिखाया है , पता नही फालतू का ज्ञानी बनके क्या मिलता है !
ये ध्यान रखना कि ये सारी बातें ये पिस्सू भी पढ़ रहे हैं , सो उनके सामने लड़ना झगड़ना बंद करो please , नहीं तो ये जो बची खुची " जाट " वाली हेकरी है न ये भी ख़तम हो जाएगी !
believe in you brothers your forefathers are seeing you from heaven ! if you don 't believe in yourself atleast believe in them ! don 't let them down !

पता नहीं सबने यहाँ वो बिल्ली चूहे कि कहानी सूनी है या नहीं जिसमे चूहा लास्ट में कहता है कि " मौस्सी हाम laandde - e खा कमा लेंगे !

[hemanthooda]

Jitender bhai,

I am very impressed with your quote ".Others wrote books to save their history , JATs wrote their in the DNA."...superb one!!!!

[sidchhikara]

Firstly, any of those points don't make sense.

Competitive intolerence is not the way to go. What kind of argument is this? - Muslims have their stupid uncivilized marriage law ... we want ours. Don't try to scrape the bottom of the barrel like Muslims do - you should try to better yourself not go in the opposite direction.

I am not a fan of constitution of India there is lot of scope for improvement - but here are the fundamenatl rights:

1) The right to equality
2)The right to freedom of speech and expression
3)The right to freedom from exploitation
4)The right to freedom of religion
5)Cultural and educational rights
6)The right to constitutional remedies
7)The right to education

The 12 Khap points violate the first 4 fundamental rights away without even looking twice.

These kind of demands are usually brought up in banana republics like India ... with illiterates, khaps, Muslim fundies - and alll sorts of assorted idiots - they are all the same .... same annoying, illiterate, uncivilized pricks.

[upendersingh]

All points are right except 3, 9 & 10.

[vijay123]

All points are useless. Points 1, 2, and 3 are anyway already followed by all jats. Uske liye khaap kyu pareshaan ho rahi hai. Yahan maamla same gotra mei shaadi ka hai hi nahi, kyunki jo pyaar mei andhe hote hai, woh kuch nahi dekhte, woh phir bhi ghar se bhag kar aisa kaam karenge hi. Khap ko un par jyada dhyan nahi dena chahiye.

Have you heard of any incident jisme same gotra mei shaadi karne wale wapis same village mei aakar reh rahe ho????

If not then what is all this fuss about?

Jo mudda hai woh khap dwara diye gaye talibani faislon ka hai. Us par khap ko baith kar kuch brainstorming karni chahiye or dekhna chahiye ki aage se koi khap aise faisle na sunaye jis se khap or jaat biraadri ki badnaami ho.

महापंचायत में लिए गए फैसले
1. हिंदू विवाह अधिनियम में संशोधन किया जाए। इस संशोधन के तहत खून व दूध के रिश्ते, खुद के गोत्र व मां के गोत्र में शादियां नहीं होंगी। यह प्रावधान अधिनियम में किया जाए।
2.गांव की गांव में और जिस गोत्र का गांव में खेड़ा हो, उस मुख्य गोत्र की लड़की उसी गांव में ब्याही नहीं जाएगी।
3. सीमा लगते हुए गांवों में भी शादियां नहीं की जाएंगी।
4. मनोज-बबली हत्याकांड में 10-10 रुपये इकट्ठा कर फांसी की सजा प्राप्त पांच लोगों का केस हाईकोर्ट में लड़ा जाएगा।
5. मंदिर और कोर्ट शादी में गवाह के रूप में दोनों पक्षों के माता-पिता, गांव के नंबरदार, सरपंच होने चाहिए। यदि इनके अलावा कोई गवाह होता है तो यह शादी मान्य नहीं होगी।
6. खाप पंचायतों के फैसलों को लोक अदालतों का दर्जा देकर उन्हे मान्यता दी जाए।
7. जनगणना 2010 में सभी अपना वैदिक धर्म लिखवाएं।
8. जो नेता व संगठन पंचायतों के खिलाफ बोलते है, उनकी कड़े शब्दों में निंदा की जाए।
9. दिल्ली में यदि कोई आंदोलन होता है तो उसकी तारीख का फैसला बाद में किया जाएगा।
10. आंदोलन के दौरान राज्य अथवा दिल्ली में कहीं भी कोई नुकसान होता है तो सरकार की जिम्मेदारी होगी।
11. जिला स्तर पर 36 बिरादरी की कमेटी गठित की जाए।
12. जिला बार एसोसिएशनों से सामाजिक मुद्दों पर संघर्ष में सहयोग लिया जाए।

Kindly vote.
Also please share only with points you agree with and points not.

*Kindly read last poll option as 12 (Don't know how to edit the poll) and first one as less than or equal to 3.

[JKundu]

Point No. 5 : Its that any two persons belonging to boy's village have to be present.

I have come across several cases about ARYA SAMAJ MANDIR of DELHI being highly involved in so called love-marriages.

There is an under-current especially in city for JAT boys, who are of marriageable age, by other communities trying to woo them. Their phone / email ids are being shared on thru boy's so called friends.

This trend is more observed for boys coming from well to do families & or / well settled.

[VirJ]

Sorry everyone I know it’s a stupid question but still wanted to ask . Just wanted to clarify--

Mainly Regarding point 1, 2 and 3 (In reference to Haryana only, I know in Rajasthan marriage in same village is OK)

Are these rules or proposals only for the villages? Doesn’t they apply to people living in cities?

Also one more thing people living in cities marry their next door neighbour provided their parents are from diff village and have diff gotras ( I mean all 3 diff gotras)

So what if Ram( parents from Village A (Main Gotra A) though settled in City) living in a city wants to marry Sita(parents from village B (Main Gotra B) though settled in City) and A and B ki Seema bidhe he. No gotra mismatch.

Can they marry as per the rules or Are they incest :D? .

Also would you answer change if Ram's ancestors were immigrants in Village A and are living in Dhani since the last 3-4 generation but the Gotra of sita which is B has a bhaichara to the gotra of the A gotras in Village A. But Ram has a different gotra say G. Seema bidhe he in this case too

[JKundu]

Dear All,

For your views!!!Would like to discuss for & againt the stand taken by Khap Mahapanchyat.

Looking forward for your opinion & suggestions.

Link is as following -




regards
Hemant Hooda

Excerpts from Times of India Article about KHAP

Bhalle Ram, Khap Pradhan, Bainiwal, Haryana said, "We will appeal the government to amend the Hindu Marriage Act. We are giving the Indian govt an ultimatum to effect these changes. Else, we won't shy away from Parkash Singh Badal once did. We will be compelled to tear the Constitution in the same fashion."

Kya sach main real JATLAND banne wala hain ? (Like Khalistan)

[jitendershooda]

Are these rules or proposals only for the villages? Doesn’t they apply to people living in cities?

Also one more thing people living in cities marry their next door neighbour provided their parents are from diff village and have diff gotras ( I mean all 3 diff gotras)

So what if Ram( parents from Village A (Main Gotra A) though settled in City) living in a city wants to marry Sita(parents from village B (Main Gotra B) though settled in City) and A and B ki Seema bidhe he. No gotra mismatch.

Can they marry as per the rules or Are they incest :D? .

One very good example of this is here on this site only (will not be able to disclose the names for obvious reasons). Both of them are from neighbouring villages near rohtak (Seem lagey sein). Girl is born and brought up in city. They didn't knew each other till their Masters. In masters they come close to each other and now they are happily married for the last 8-9 years. I only can say that their present life as husband and wife is examplary. No jhagda, mutual respect for each other, sacrifice for each other and even helping a lot their fellow members of families to improve.

And am sure some of us would be helped by them here on this site itself in some way or the other.

[jitendershooda]

One question taken from liberals (Those who follow all 12 points please answer - LOGICALLY)

Samchana village between Sampla and Kharkhoda (a bit sidewise) contains many gotra's. In a panchayat held few years back they did took a decision not to follow the KHEDA GOTRA RULE. THEY ARE ALSO DESHWALI JATS.

Now anybody from this village of any gotra can marry in other gotra may that gotra reside in Samchana village too.

Why such exemptions?
What were the reasons for the same?

Pahele Nani ka gotra chodte they 1960 ke lagbhag hui ek panchayat mein wo Tyag diya gaya. Kyon?

Kya isse humne apni ParamPara ko nahi Toda?
Aur Agar toda to uske liye kya SITUATION hona jarrori hai?

Means aage aane wale time mein hum jo bachi hui cheejen hein jaise Dadi ka gotra usko bhi chodne Wale hein?
Agar ye hoga to uske liye kiss cheej ya environment ki jarorat hai?

If the problems faced during match making was the one most probable reason for the decision taken to leave Nani's gotra then Isn't this sufficient to relax rules for

a) Seem ke Gaam mein Shadi
b) Khede ke gotra mein Shadi

If not then why?

[Fateh]

महापंचायत में लिए गए फैसले
1. हिंदू विवाह अधिनियम में संशोधन किया जाए। इस संशोधन के तहत खून व दूध के रिश्ते, खुद के गोत्र व मां के गोत्र में शादियां नहीं होंगी। यह प्रावधान अधिनियम में किया जाए।
2.गांव की गांव में और जिस गोत्र का गांव में खेड़ा हो, उस मुख्य गोत्र की लड़की उसी गांव में ब्याही नहीं जाएगी।
3. सीमा लगते हुए गांवों में भी शादियां नहीं की जाएंगी।
4. मनोज-बबली हत्याकांड में 10-10 रुपये इकट्ठा कर फांसी की सजा प्राप्त पांच लोगों का केस हाईकोर्ट में लड़ा जाएगा।
5. मंदिर और कोर्ट शादी में गवाह के रूप में दोनों पक्षों के माता-पिता, गांव के नंबरदार, सरपंच होने चाहिए। यदि इनके अलावा कोई गवाह होता है तो यह शादी मान्य नहीं होगी।
6. खाप पंचायतों के फैसलों को लोक अदालतों का दर्जा देकर उन्हे मान्यता दी जाए।
7. जनगणना 2010 में सभी अपना वैदिक धर्म लिखवाएं।
8. जो नेता व संगठन पंचायतों के खिलाफ बोलते है, उनकी कड़े शब्दों में निंदा की जाए।
9. दिल्ली में यदि कोई आंदोलन होता है तो उसकी तारीख का फैसला बाद में किया जाएगा।
10. आंदोलन के दौरान राज्य अथवा दिल्ली में कहीं भी कोई नुकसान होता है तो सरकार की जिम्मेदारी होगी।
11. जिला स्तर पर 36 बिरादरी की कमेटी गठित की जाए।
12. जिला बार एसोसिएशनों से सामाजिक मुद्दों पर संघर्ष में सहयोग लिया जाए।

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First of all I must accept the fact that jats talk more, do less, talk illogically, niether come prepared nor listen to any body while they are in such getherings, the so called mahapanchayat has proved beyond any doubt. I am sure the outcome of these decisions will be nil. Niether it was organised/conducted properly nor correct/suitable decisions were taken. some brothers have talked that it concerns only Haryana, I think, marriage in self & mothers gotras is not allowed in any jat family of any part of the nation, I agree on this portion only. Brothers, khap panchayats are not useless, criminal, outdated as some of us consider, we already discussed at length earlier, but I must accept that mahapanchayat in question & such decisions will certainly go against in all respect & questions the continuety of the age old good system. I am mahasavak (perdhan) of our kharb gotra, we have also faced such situations in past, we have also taken decisions, implemented & there was no objection from media/administration or judiciary. Niether I was called nor I would have agreed on all above decisions accept no marriage in self &mothers gotra. Even if the problem is existing in one state, the act can be amended for that state & if we can get the tradition of not marring in two gotras, recognised by the executive & judiciary the amendment in the act is not required because there already a provision in the act, which I pointedout in one of such jat gethering at maharaja surejmal institute where justice Tevitiyaji & many advocates were present. to cut short the panchayat was realy a bad show & harmful for the community.

[malikdeepak1]

yo bhai sahi kah s ...bhai tere jisya n jaana chahiye khaap panchayat me ..........
maine suni thi ak jato me malik sab ta shyaana padhya likha gotr ho s par iss site pe ake dekhya k ye to 27vi sadhi me jaa liye haam ebe 21vi me ae haandaa sa ..... ye malik saare tere berge khaaki s ak sirf tu ae khaaki jaam rakhya s inn maliko me

uncleji ram ram. ke baat meri likhi hod baat pasand nahi aayi aapne? fotu te to aap panchaati aadmi laago so, jya mare laage se ye baat halak te niche koni utri. :D
THara bera nahi par main to 21vi sadi me e hu. aap lago so 500 saal pache jeen laag rhe so. gaama ki samasya to suljhante nahi er in dhaid ke beeja khatir 10-10 rupiye katthe karte hando so. ek baat bato aap, ye 10-10 rupiye maangti haan jma b sharam koni aayi ke?? :D
Itne parampara nibhaniye se to "nani" ka got kyu chhod diya? wo bhi paampra e thi. ak jab balak raande rahen laag ge jib saans paatya tha?

Er mane 2 taagya me wa baat ger li, er ib fer kahu su.Kise panchaati dhore jwaab koni laage se. Jib wa chori chedi to panchatiya ki issi tissi ho rhi thi ke, jo us chori ke babu pe dbaav bna ke maamla khatam kar diya.. Kade gya tha "bhaichaara" us tam pe?? Ise panchatiya ke to gatte tod de susrya ke.

Er mane in panchatiya pe koe bhrosa nahi. sare pise kamaan khatir baithe se. gaam ki gaal me 12 mass kichkad hoya rahvega par usne thik na karwawe. hokke pee pee taash pite jange er jib kime is a ho jya to thothi haank laan laag jya se.
Main sirf pahle point (jitender bhaisaab ki mail ka) pe agree karta hu, kyuki isme kisi ka nuksaan nahi hai koi. Jo log is prampara ko nahi maante unko gaon se nikal do aur wapis mat aane do. thats all. Jhuthi shaan me kime na dharya. ban rhe se honour killing aale. Sarkar ne kanoon bna diya fer kit lukte haandege ye "honor killing" aale.

Jitender asked for opinions and i expressed mine. pasand na aawe te padhan ki taal mar dyo.
Er isme shanpath aali kunsi baat se? punjhaad pe paa tek diya to bilbilaan laag ge ke tu khaki se er mai asli..
Ram ram

[nitindev]

१०० % सहमत हूँ इस बात से की ये खापों/पंचायतों को जो काम करने चाहिए, वो तो करते नहीं, बेफाल्तू की बकवाद कितनी करवा लो. किस्सी ने पहेले भी लिखा था, की पढ़ाई खात्तर, या ढंके काम खात्तर तो कभी पीसे खट्टे करे नहीं. अपनी बिरादरी में कातिलों को भड़ावा देने के लिए पीसे माँगते फिरेंगे. जाटों की सबसे ज़्यादा बेईज्ज़ती तो ये खाप के चौधरी करवा रहे हैं.

ये शादी, ब्याह, गोत्र, भाईचारे से एक कहावत याद आ गयी. कहाँ की ईंट कहाँ का रोड़ा, भानमति ने कुंभा जोड़ा..

जिनते गांव के चौधरी यहाँ पर है, उनसे एक बात तो में भी पूचना चाहता हूँ. जाटों का क्या तब नाम खराब नहीं होता, जब खेतों में चमारियों के पीछे लार टपकाते फिरें हैं? उन् लोगों को तो कोई कुछ नहीं केहता की जाटों की नाक कटा दी.. उसमें बड़ी शान है क्या? और ज़्यादातर शादी शुदा और बच्चों वालें चौधरी ही होतें हैं.

और ये भी सबने पता है की एक गाम में और पड़ोस के गाम में कितना भाईचारा और कितनी दुश्मनी होती है?

uncleji ram ram. ke baat meri likhi hod baat pasand nahi aayi aapne? fotu te to aap panchaati aadmi laago so, jya mare laage se ye baat halak te niche koni utri. :D
THara bera nahi par main to 21vi sadi me e hu. aap lago so 500 saal pache jeen laag rhe so. gaama ki samasya to suljhante nahi er in dhaid ke beeja khatir 10-10 rupiye katthe karte hando so. ek baat bato aap, ye 10-10 rupiye maangti haan jma b sharam koni aayi ke?? :D
Itne parampara nibhaniye se to "nani" ka got kyu chhod diya? wo bhi paampra e thi. ak jab balak raande rahen laag ge jib saans paatya tha?

Er mane 2 taagya me wa baat ger li, er ib fer kahu su.Kise panchaati dhore jwaab koni laage se. Jib wa chori chedi to panchatiya ki issi tissi ho rhi thi ke, jo us chori ke babu pe dbaav bna ke maamla khatam kar diya.. Kade gya tha "bhaichaara" us tam pe?? Ise panchatiya ke to gatte tod de susrya ke.

Er mane in panchatiya pe koe bhrosa nahi. sare pise kamaan khatir baithe se. gaam ki gaal me 12 mass kichkad hoya rahvega par usne thik na karwawe. hokke pee pee taash pite jange er jib kime is a ho jya to thothi haank laan laag jya se.
Main sirf pahle point (jitender bhaisaab ki mail ka) pe agree karta hu, kyuki isme kisi ka nuksaan nahi hai koi. Jo log is prampara ko nahi maante unko gaon se nikal do aur wapis mat aane do. thats all. Jhuthi shaan me kime na dharya. ban rhe se honour killing aale. Sarkar ne kanoon bna diya fer kit lukte haandege ye "honor killing" aale.

Jitender asked for opinions and i expressed mine. pasand na aawe te padhan ki taal mar dyo.
Er isme shanpath aali kunsi baat se? punjhaad pe paa tek diya to bilbilaan laag ge ke tu khaki se er mai asli..
Ram ram

[brahmtewatia]

now that the big5 have been shown the way to the gallows… obviously they have to muster some support to challenge the decision in the next court of justice.

collect 10 rupees ??? फरमान जारी करते वक़्त ना सोच्या... अब कित गई वा चौधर ?

all these points are just otiose crap. if this is what our so called think-tank thinks after that grueling battle of 5 hours of जूत पजारी… i would rather bury my head in shame.

के खाप खाप लगा राखी सै... कान पाक लिए सुनते सुनते… इस्सी तीस्सी इस खाप की… 1 case in 10 lac jats nd the whole community is held to disgrace by these खाप leaders. they demeaned our existence in front of those पिस्सू's (sharma, malhotra etc etc).

repudiate them, extirpate their चौधर nd ban them… they are not the representative of what we JAT’s stand for.

p.s. - my views >>> http://www.jatland.com/forums/showth...l=1#post243214

[mittu]

All the points are dumb...dumber...dumbest in order of course. I always had this notion that we are most hypocrite society( After Muslim's and few African's) but this manifesto made it official.
If we have to socially boycott anybody/any act, do we need amendment for that in law? and when people are talking about gay marriages these people must be nuts to have laws to filter marriages. This is high time that some educated people in state ministry to ignore the lure of rural vote bank for once and exterminate these pseudo intellectual jat jihadis from political map of India.

महापंचायत में लिए गए फैसले
1. हिंदू विवाह अधिनियम में संशोधन किया जाए। इस संशोधन के तहत खून व दूध के रिश्ते, खुद के गोत्र व मां के गोत्र में शादियां नहीं होंगी। यह प्रावधान अधिनियम में किया जाए।
2.गांव की गांव में और जिस गोत्र का गांव में खेड़ा हो, उस मुख्य गोत्र की लड़की उसी गांव में ब्याही नहीं जाएगी।
3. सीमा लगते हुए गांवों में भी शादियां नहीं की जाएंगी।
4. मनोज-बबली हत्याकांड में 10-10 रुपये इकट्ठा कर फांसी की सजा प्राप्त पांच लोगों का केस हाईकोर्ट में लड़ा जाएगा।
5. मंदिर और कोर्ट शादी में गवाह के रूप में दोनों पक्षों के माता-पिता, गांव के नंबरदार, सरपंच होने चाहिए। यदि इनके अलावा कोई गवाह होता है तो यह शादी मान्य नहीं होगी।
6. खाप पंचायतों के फैसलों को लोक अदालतों का दर्जा देकर उन्हे मान्यता दी जाए।
7. जनगणना 2010 में सभी अपना वैदिक धर्म लिखवाएं।
8. जो नेता व संगठन पंचायतों के खिलाफ बोलते है, उनकी कड़े शब्दों में निंदा की जाए।
9. दिल्ली में यदि कोई आंदोलन होता है तो उसकी तारीख का फैसला बाद में किया जाएगा।
10. आंदोलन के दौरान राज्य अथवा दिल्ली में कहीं भी कोई नुकसान होता है तो सरकार की जिम्मेदारी होगी।
11. जिला स्तर पर 36 बिरादरी की कमेटी गठित की जाए।
12. जिला बार एसोसिएशनों से सामाजिक मुद्दों पर संघर्ष में सहयोग लिया जाए।

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*Kindly read last poll option as 12 (Don't know how to edit the poll) and first one as less than or equal to 3.