View Poll Results: You Agree to following number of points by Mahapanchayat

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  • Less than or equal to 3

    23 34.33%
  • 4

    2 2.99%
  • 5

    2 2.99%
  • 6

    0 0%
  • 7

    1 1.49%
  • 8

    2 2.99%
  • 9

    4 5.97%
  • 10

    8 11.94%
  • 11

    3 4.48%
  • 12

    22 32.84%
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Thread: 12 points by MahaPanchayat - How much you agree?

  1. #61
    Very Valid point Akshay bhai!!!

  2. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by malikdeepak1 View Post
    Bang on point uncleji!
    Hum log engineer, doctor, IAS ban gaye hai fir bhi 10-10 rupaye ikatthe karte ghum rahe hai, wo bhi cold blooded murderers ke liye.

    Here no one has objected to the first point which says no same-gotra marriage. Accepted by all here! Everyone here is absolutely fine with it.

    I would like to highlight few things about so called panchayats/Khaps.
    What is the role of KHAP/Panchayats? As per my knowledge it is to maintain peace and harmony and good relations among all the people living in same village or nearby villages(BHAICHARRA!?)(and for development which they never do). Par ye role panchayts kitni achi trah nibhati hai, kuch btane ki jarurat nahi hai shayad. Roj gaam me 4 janya ke sir foote rah se gaal/pani/dolya ke baabat. Panchayat baithe se, samjhauta hove se(formality), er fer teeesre din lath/jeli uth jya se. Er koe faisla b hove se to uske haq me jiske ken faltu aadmi bolte ho, che wo galat ho. (Er rakesh bhai je gaam me rahen ke saal gine te baat banti ho to mere bhai main 16 saal gaam me e rahya hu (u lived 9 as per u). To bhai thoda bhot gyaan humne b se panchayata ka)

    Gaon me skool nahi 5vi te upar, kichkad machya rah 12 mass, bijli aamti nahi, aave se to 2 phace kare bina bulb b nahi jalta. In sari baata pe kade koi panchayat nahi baith-ti. Gaon me pisa aave se gaal banwan ke naam ka, sarpanch ke ghar ke ore-dhore banwa ke er baki pisya ne dakaar jya se. Social development ke naam pe ZERO se ye panchayat. Baat karo so Indian development ki er pise katthe karo so log marniya khatir.
    Ye panchayte dohra mapdand rakhti hai. isme jiski lathi uski bhains hoti hai. ek udharan to main de chuka hu. Kise panchaati ki jubaan nahi paatti us link pe ak panchayat ne mamla kyu dba diya. Chori ki ijjat, ijjat nahi hoti ke?

    And Nitin has projected a very true situation in our villages. Jvaar/eenkh me ke ke hove se aade kise te samjhaan ki jarurat koni. USME BHOT GHANI SHAAN BADHE SE JAATA KI.

    Paramparaye banti hai or tut-ti hai. Only one thing is permanent in this world and that is CHANGE. Nani ka goth dekhya karte, wo chhod diya. ye bhi parampara hi thi. Jato ka rivaaj the ye bhi ek. Badal di "khandka-dhaariyo" ne. In ne e badli hongi? ak court me koe kanoon pass hoya tha? mane ghna sa gyaan nahi is baat ka. Panchaati aadmi thodi torch si mariyo is baat pe!
    Er koe sa bhai/kaaka/tau btave to nyu bhi bataiyo ak kyu badli thi?

    Er jab bhi andolan/danga hove se, log bus/rail/dukaan fook deve se. tod fod kare se. Nuksaan kiska hoya? Chalo maan lo sarkari bus fook di 10-15. sarkar ka nuksaan hoya maan li. Eeb sarkar usne kit te poora karegi?? Usne bhi to pise kite te poore karne se. Apne dhore te to sarkar khareede nahi nayi bus. Vat jise tax badha ke 1-2% er pise bna le se. par yu bharna kisne pade se? Sarkar bhare se ya mhare jise aadmi bhaare se? samaan kharidniye e bhare se meri nigah me to. Mane to meri ghojh te jaanta dikhya kare, er aur kise bhai khatir sarkar apne dhore te madad karti ho to bera nahi.

    Er ye Khap aale to khulle kahve se ke "nuksaan" ki jimevar sarkar hovegi. Meri to ya e samjh me aayi ke ye tod-fod ka poora plan bna rhe se. Ak delhi me jaa ke suniya ki ghar ke bahar guard/puliciye ne udavenge? Nuksaan to wo bhi se.

    Koe bhi Jat yaha pe ek gotr ki marriage ka supporter nahi hai, na hi main hu. People are opposing this "honor killing". aadmi marna samsya ka samadhan nahi hai. Paramparao ko nibhane ki siksha deni jyada jaruri hai. sanskar ache milne chaiye bacho ko. Nyu 10-10 rupaye katthe kare te Jaat parampara ki shaan se to main ye 10 rupiye nahi de sakta. Meri antar-atma iski ijaajat nahi deti ki kisi khuni ko bachane ke liye main sahyog karu. I would rather donate it to a roadside beggar.
    Tham jya dani
    ek baat bata de je we bus na fukengi to ke tera tax nahi badhega ya mehangai control rehgi?
    Yu tax sab bhare hain ek kisan ne bhi bharna pade hai.
    Bijli single phase aawe hai to unki jo bill nahi bharte tu bhare hai tere to 24 ghante bhakkad pat-ta hoga?
    Galat kaam to saare desh mein howe hai tere sehar mein ke yu galat kaam na hota par iska dhindora peetan mein suad aawe hain to baat doosri hai.
    Kal tak isa ek galat kaam karaniya Hariyana ka Deputy CM tha par bera pat-te e saath Hooda Sahab ne kyun us tahi fool mala na pehna?
    Tu gaam mein bhot din rehya hai par tanne aajtak nahi bera hoga ki tere gaam mein Sarvakhap panchayat ki chithi kis dhore aawe hai(Koi jaroori nahi wo sarpanch dhore aawe par gaam mein ek aadmi dhore pakka aati hogi).
    Tu baat to isa dukhi hoke kehan lag rehya hai janu tera ghana bada nuksan kar diya ho paanchatiya ne.

    Jab gaon ka har aadmi/ghar 10 rupiye dega to sirf itna hoga ki sab logo ko ye baat yaad ho jayegi ki kyonki saas bhi kabhi bahu thee ke alawa bhi is duniya mein kuch ho raha hai.Tu agar 10 rupiye nahi dena chahta to koye teri gheti na dabe par kal ne ram na kare ki isi koye halat teri gel bhi aawe. yu samaj hai aur isme kuch kayde kanoon man-ne padte hain. Ek judge jisne sirf ek aurat ko rote dekh kar fainsla suna diya aise ko rasta dikhana aur samaj ko jagane ka kam kisi ko to karna padega.
    Aapki baato se aisa lagt hai ki na to aap jhuthe roomrent ki slip bharte ho taki aapka income tax bach jaye aur na hi aap koi kanoon nahi todte hain.Agar apas mein bhaichare se koi baat sudhar jati hai to is se aachi baat kya aur jhagde kis ghar mein nahi hote.
    Miya bivi mein jhagde hote hain par wo sirf samaj ya bujurgo ki izzat aur dar ke karan chup rehte hain. Aajkal shehro mein sharam kisne ki rahi nahi log madi si baat pe court mein jake baith jya hain shayad aapko wo jyada better lagta hai.


    Un logo ko is bat se farak nahi padta ki deepak unke saath nahi hai par unko sirf ek choti si soch ne 45 degree ke tapman mein 100-100 km tak jakar road par baithne ko majboor kiya hai ki kal kahin unke ghar mein koi Manoj ya babli na paida ho jaye. Bhai aaj doosre ke ghar mein lagi aag ko dekh kar jo tamasha dekh raha hai kahin aisa na ho kal tera ghar jal jaye. Jab aap khud mante ho ki nani ka gotra chodne ka riwaj khud panchayatiyo ne badla tha to aap khud kyon nahi sochte ki wo log samay se pehle aane wali samasyaon ko bhap kar khud kanoon badal dete hain.To unki soch is mamle mein itnee choti kaise ho gayee. Agar aapko is baat ka bhan nahi to bata deta hoon ki wo khandwa dhari aapke dadaji ki umar ke hain aur un logo ne ye kaam karte karte hi umar gujari hai. Tujhe ek veham hai aur wo ye ki ye log wo hain jo sarpanch ya panch hain magar is khyal ko apne man se nikal de. Sirf yahi wo log the jinke liye Devilal ne pension yojna shuru ki thee taki samaj ko rah dikhane wale ye log paise ke liye aap jaise padhe likhe logo ke aage hath na failayein. Baaki apni apni soch hai aur Tax mein bhi bharta hoon Doodh aaj mujhe bhi kharidna padta hai aur Mehangai ki maar meri bhi jeb par padti hai par fark itna hai ki mein apne samaj ki izzat karta hoon aur mere liye iske upar duniya ka koi bhi kanoon nahi hai.
    Aap gaon mein mujh se jyada rahe hain to aapne us stithi ko sudharne ke liye kya kiya?
    Dream is not what you see while sleeping. Dream is that which won't let you sleep

  3. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by Fateh View Post
    Dear VP &Vijay, from my child hood I realised the main two weaknesses of our community, to improve upon these, I am still trying my best in a humble way. Lack of education & unity, even at khap level I talk & work mainly on these two points. Brothers, I belong to yadav area, I have seen effect of education & unity on yadav community in last 45 years. We may or may not agree but all over in the country yadavs have gone much ahead to jats in all good fields. Even after getting highest possible degree, we donot behave accordingly, we need to improve our normal behaviour also. regards
    Fateh Bhai Sahab, I appreciate your efforts for improvement of educational standards and unification of the community. Other community leaders should also learn a lesson and concentrate on these two and other developmental issues leaving aside the trivial issues they are clinging at the moment, if they want to enjoy the popular support and respect among the community.

  4. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by rakeshsehrawat View Post
    Tham jya dani
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    Aap gaon mein mujh se jyada rahe hain to aapne us stithi ko sudharne ke liye kya kiya?

    Kasuta samaji se bhai rake tu to!! :D
    Er tu to gyaan ka aprampaar bhandaar se bhai. Mane to aaj bera paatya ke kisaan bhi tax ke daayre me aave se. Mane to nyu e suni thi ke Agricultural income is tax exempt in India. Mere to kaan fuse ho ge bhai ya baat sun ke. Mhare gaam me to mane koe tax bharta na dekha er na sunya. Sare gehu/dhaan/eenkh lave se. ore dhore ke gaama me bhi koni sunya mane to ak falana tax bhare se re!! (as per my knowledge farmers who do occupations like bee hiving are under taxes, not the people who do agricultural farming)

    Thara gaam ghana e advance se bhai is mammle me. Er is maammle me kyu, bijli ke maamle me bhi advance se bhai. Mhare gaam me to aaj b 2 phase karna pade se gandasa/chakki chalaavan tai(bijli ke bill har mhine jave se, mhare ghar te to jave e se, ora ka theka nahi mane). Ar var bandh rhe se bijli ke. Mangalvar/brishpatvar/shanivar/aetvar ne bijli din me avegi(raat ne koni aave) er baki din shanjh ne 6 baje te le ke tadke 8 baje tayi. jisne jo karna ho kar lo. Badhiya lagaya padh ke ke tere gaam alya ne 2 phase karen ki jarurat na padti bhai. kise ka to bhla kar rhi se sarkar.

    Er bhai mane koni bera ke chitti kis dhore aaya kare er kun munadi karya kare gaam me panchayat ki. "jis gaam jana nahi us gaam ka raah nahi bhujna chaiye". ise panchatiyaa te to dur te ram ram jo ladki ki ijjat karna nahi jante. Aur sirf hokke pe baith ke tash pite ja se.

    Er meri chinta na kare. mhare ghar me isa kaam na hove. Itne sanskar to diye se mhare ghar aalya ne mhare tayi. Er main apna balka ne de dunga. Mere ghar me jhankan ki er soch thaan ki jarurat na se bhai, apne ne sambhal le tu wo e bhtera se. Hum kise ka galat na kare to ram mhari gel galat na kare! ise aas pe je rhe saa bhai. er jo balak ye galat kaam kare se unke sanskaro me khot hai. Unko maarne ki jarurat nahi hai. unko gaon se nikal do.

    Er ye sanskaar 10-10 ki bheekh mange te na aaya kare. Maa-baap su-sanskrit honge to apne bacho ko bhi su-sanskriti denge. Er maa-baap e balak ka dhyaan na rakhenge er khulla chhod denge marne khaggad ki dhal to galat kaam karega bhai wo.
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    Judge itna bawla na hota ke koi ro de er faisla uske hak me suna de. nyu te kise ne saja e na hove poori duniya me. Er na uski maa ka byot itna ke judge tai pise khuwa de hai wa faisla hak me karwaan tai. Khoon kiya tha to saja mili aur main is baat ka support karta hu ki jo faisla judge ne diya wo bilkul sahi tha. khoon karne ka hak kisi ko nahi.

    Er bhai rake mane jhuthi slip ki koi jarurat na padti. ghar ka agreement mere naam pe se er rent slip b owner mere naam ki e banawe se. Er itne ki parchi to bane e se rent ki ke mera kaam chaal jya. Er mane naukri pyaari si mere bhai. mane bhot darr lagya kare IT aalya te. susre 2 rupiye ghaat bhar dyo to 2 lakh ka jurmana tek de se. galat parchi dikhaunga er pakdya gya to naukri to jave e javegi er gel badnami. apne bus ke koni ye galat kaam. bhot mehnat karni padi thi jib badhiya naukri mili se. I can't play wrong with it.
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    Nani ke goth ki parampara badli hi kyu?? mera sawal to yu se bhai? Wa bhi to hmare samaj ki parampara thi. usko kyu tod diya?? aisa kya badlaav dekha 'khandka-dhaariyo" ne bhavishay me jo unko ye parampara todni padi?? Aur itne durdarshi hai to aaj ke 20-25 saal baad kya sthithi utpann ho sakti hai usko dhyaan me rakh kar dhund leni chaiye unhe koi parampara jisko wo tod sake abhi. ke bera dadi ka goth er maa ka bhi chodna pad jya aagle 20-25 saal me. ke bera bhai?? jmaana bhot teji te badlan laag rhya se.. ho sake se isi situtaion aa jya. bujhiye ek ber khandke aalya te.. isa hon aala se ke??
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    Bhai rakke mane koe bahem na se. Mane bera se ye kun log hove se. pahla gaam ke sarpanch bane se, fer upar ne ukas jya se 10-15 saal pache. Maan le aaj koi mhare dada ki umar ka se khaap ka pardhaan.. baki khap ki uparli managment aale bhi use ki haan ke se (tere acc), to bhai unka to duniya chod ke jaan ka tam kade ho aa jyaga. unke pache kun banega?? btaiye bhai..

    mere hisab te to jo ye panch sarpanch ho se er ya fer ve jinka rasookh(ghna pisa, thothi bor nahi) ho se ore dhore ke gaama me. jan-pichan bnate hande ja se uren paren. ve e bane se unke pache, er ya to kade te chali aayi se. ib wa baat na rah rhi 50 saal pahla aali ke panchayat me sare sahi faisle hoya karete. Jiski lathi uski bhains se aaj ke tam me. er je tu ya baat jan ke janbhuj ke anjaan se parampara er apne customs ke naam pe te tera koe ilaaj nahi bhai.


    Er bhai mera dada ne hath falaan ki jarurat na se. thati aadmi se wo er uski bhot ijjat se. ghar ghar me nahi, ore dhore ke 8 gama me bhi hai. aaj bhi koe rolla ho jya gaam me to bhaj ke bula ke le jange rohtak te mere dada ne.
    Choti soch unki hoti hai jinki siksha sirf kagcho me poori hoti hai. You are not the only one giving respect to your parents or grandparents. Yaha aapko bahot log mil jayegne apne dada-dadi ki ijjat karne wale. er pota-poti ka to moh dada-dadi me e ghna hoya kare, maa-baap te bhi faltu. To is ki chinta b manya kare bhai ke mere dada ne hath falaane padenge. jo apne dil me apne maa-baap ki ijjat nahi kar sakta usne ghar aalya gel rahen ka koi hak nahi. ghar alya ne khud ghar te bahar kaadh dena chiaye isa balak. Er devilal ne jo pilsan banayi thi wo ise e balkaa ki soch ke banayi thi ki budha-budhi dukhi nah hovenge je aulad nalayak likad gi to .mane b bera se is baat ka. itna agyaani b na su bhai.

    Rakesh tu de le bhai 10 rupiye. Main to na du ise admiya khatir jin ne jaan ka koi mol nahi. Er mane to apne barne aage ki gaal banwan tayi pise diye the bhai,er bani bhi. sari gaal aalya ne pise katthe karke gaal banwayi se. sarpanch to jeem gya pisya ne. My father has filed a RTI for that(in case you ask why didnt i question this thing.) Er eeb mhare gaam ke skool me 4 kamre b banwawe se balkaa khatir. I have donated to that too(er mane patthar lagvaan ka shok b na se apne naam ka). i would not have mentioned these things, but you compelled me to tell you. Mere tayi to ghar aalya ne ya e sikhayi se ke Aadmi ka dil me khot nahi hona chaiye, ram aape bhla kar dega uska. er pise chati pe dhar ke na le jane, kise ki bhalayi me thodi bhot madad kar de to tota na byanta ghar me. Baki sabki apni apni marji ho se bhai.

    I'm not a perfect person. there are so many here who are puttin in much more efforts for development and upliftment of our society like navin bhai. but i'm also not a dumb who is not doing anything else than just typing on forums.
    And yes I'm also an active member of GreenPeace organisation. And i try to implement as many things as possible to save the environment. I never accepts poylthene bags here, rather i carry my own bag when i go for shopping, just for example.

    PS: It looks like that you can't take anything against so called Khaps since you are too much attached to your village or so called customs. Try to be little practical while evaluating a situation which has both pros and cons. Different people have different views. "Right of Expression!" you know.
    Last edited by malikdeepak1; April 19th, 2010 at 04:46 PM.
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  5. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by malikdeepak1 View Post
    mere hisab te to jo ye panch sarpanch ho se er ya fer ve jinka rasookh(ghna pisa, thothi bor nahi) ho se ore dhore ke gaama me. jan-pichan bnate hande ja se uren paren. ve e bane se unke pache, er ya to kade te chali aayi se. ib wa baat na rah rhi 50 saal pahla aali ke panchayat me sare sahi faisle hoya karete. Jiski lathi uski bhains se aaj ke tam me. er je tu ya baat jan ke janbhuj ke anjaan se parampara er apne customs ke naam pe te tera koe ilaaj nahi bhai.


    Er bhai mera dada ne hath falaan ki jarurat na se. thati aadmi se wo er uski bhot ijjat se. ghar ghar me nahi, ore dhore ke 8 gama me bhi hai. aaj bhi koe rolla ho jya gaam me to bhaj ke bula ke le jange rohtak te mere dada ne.
    Contradiction of statement
    Dream is not what you see while sleeping. Dream is that which won't let you sleep

  6. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by rakeshsehrawat View Post
    Contradiction of statement
    Where??
    Mane nyu to koni kahi ke mera daada pise aala se, ya sarpanch tha kade gaam ka?? He is well educated and gives right opinions, isliye ijjat hai uski. Er ore dhore ke gaamma me sabte bada bhi se jitna mane yaad se.. Er nyu bhi nahi kahi ke mera dada faisle sunaya kare. He just says the right thing. isliye ijjat ha uski aur isliye hi usko bula ke le ke jate hai.

    Let me know where i contradicted my statements!
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  7. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by malikdeepak1 View Post
    Where??
    Mane nyu to koni kahi ke mera daada pise aala se, ya sarpanch tha kade gaam ka?? He is well educated and gives right opinions, isliye ijjat hai uski. Er ore dhore ke gaamma me sabte bada bhi se jitna mane yaad se.. Er nyu bhi nahi kahi ke mera dada faisle sunaya kare. He just says the right thing. isliye ijjat ha uski aur isliye hi usko bula ke le ke jate hai.

    Let me know where i contradicted my statements!
    Bhai apna dada fainsle karwawe to samajhdar aur padha likha doosre ka dad karwawe to rishwatkhor aur matlabi. Fainsale ye e hoya kare apas mein sulah samjhota karwana. do thread upar aapne hi likha tha inke karwaye fainsle ek din nahi tikte fer aap to dada ko mana karte honge.
    Ye wohe log hain jo samaj mein aage aake bole hain. Ye gujar jange to aage padhe likhe ar samajhdar aadmi ban-ne band na howe aur inka koye election nahi hota aadmi dekh ke mojij log ikatha honge is madad ke liye gujarish karte hain
    Dream is not what you see while sleeping. Dream is that which won't let you sleep

  8. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by JKundu View Post
    JAT ki hasti tab tai rehngi jib lagg uski bazooaan main dum hain - Elle
    ( Nothing else is required)
    Bhai Kundu, I have really not understood as to what do you want to convey, to me you have proved beyond any doubt that we lack unity, education & normal educated behaviour. regards

  9. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by rakeshsehrawat View Post
    Bhai apna dada fainsle karwawe to samajhdar aur padha likha doosre ka dad karwawe to rishwatkhor aur matlabi. Fainsale ye e hoya kare apas mein sulah samjhota karwana. do thread upar aapne hi likha tha inke karwaye fainsle ek din nahi tikte fer aap to dada ko mana karte honge.
    Ye wohe log hain jo samaj mein aage aake bole hain. Ye gujar jange to aage padhe likhe ar samajhdar aadmi ban-ne band na howe aur inka koye election nahi hota aadmi dekh ke mojij log ikatha honge is madad ke liye gujarish karte hain
    Bro you again took me in anothey way. Mane ya baat kahi bhi nahi likhi ki mera dada faisle karwawe se. Wo sahi baat kahta hai aur sahi admi ka samarthan karta hai. Faisla lena panch or sarpanch ka kaam se. Unki marji mane ya na mane mere dada ki baat. Er gaam guhand ki sharam me jana pade se usne na to wo khud ja ke raji konya. sudhi kahya kare ke meri baat to tum mano na, kyu ghasito so mane. Par log jabardasti le ke jaya kare ak tau chaal, chalna padega. He always says ki aaj kal wo panchayat na rah rhi. Nire badmash baithe se. koe kise ki na sunta. sab apni chalawe se. And these are his words not mine.

    Aur mane bera se kunse mojij aadmi baith ke kunse mojij aadmi ne chunya kare. He will be the most influencial person among all the others who either has held a good post in government some point or he has lots of money and links or he has been sarpanch for many times of one village er usne haanda-firi kar rakhi ho apne link banaan tayi. Right candidate will always be missing. EK aadmi bta de bhai gareeb ghar ka jo kise khaap ka pradhaan ho ya bna ho kade!

    Aur panchayat agar gaon ki development ke liye kaam kare to sabne suhavegi bhai. Er je khadi e us tam pe hove jab koi gotr-vivad ho jya to bhai I'm not a supporter of such panchayat. And exceptions are always there in every field of life.

    PS : Never meant to offend you anywhere.
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  10. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by malikdeepak1 View Post
    Bro you again took me in anothey way. Mane ya baat kahi bhi nahi likhi ki mera dada faisle karwawe se. Wo sahi baat kahta hai aur sahi admi ka samarthan karta hai. Faisla lena panch or sarpanch ka kaam se. Unki marji mane ya na mane mere dada ki baat. Er gaam guhand ki sharam me jana pade se usne na to wo khud ja ke raji konya. sudhi kahya kare ke meri baat to tum mano na, kyu ghasito so mane. Par log jabardasti le ke jaya kare ak tau chaal, chalna padega. He always says ki aaj kal wo panchayat na rah rhi. Nire badmash baithe se. koe kise ki na sunta. sab apni chalawe se. And these are his words not mine.

    Aur mane bera se kunse mojij aadmi baith ke kunse mojij aadmi ne chunya kare. He will be the most influencial person among all the others who either has held a good post in government some point or he has lots of money and links or he has been sarpanch for many times of one village er usne haanda-firi kar rakhi ho apne link banaan tayi. Right candidate will always be missing. EK aadmi bta de bhai gareeb ghar ka jo kise khaap ka pradhaan ho ya bna ho kade!

    Aur panchayat agar gaon ki development ke liye kaam kare to sabne suhavegi bhai. Er je khadi e us tam pe hove jab koi gotr-vivad ho jya to bhai I'm not a supporter of such panchayat. And exceptions are always there in every field of life.

    PS : Never meant to offend you anywhere.
    Apki wo sahi baat dosre ke liye fainsla hai. Khandwadhari urf Panchayati urf jo bhi kahein wo bhi yehi kaam karte hai bas itna farak hai unki baat ek TALIBANI FAINSLE ki shakal aikhtiyar kar leti hai. I am not saying anything else just read your own statements from diffrent angle be your own judge. Tu apne aap ko itna defend kyon kar raha hai? Mujhe agar tu kahega ki mere dadaji logo ke fainsle karwate hain to mere dil mein unki Izzat kam nahi hogi balki badhegi .Ye kaam harek ke baska nahi log sache aur seedhe aadmi ko hi aise kaam ke liye bulate hain.Unki ek izzat hai aur wo sahi baat bolte hain isliye unki baat ko fainsla mana jata hai.baki bhi aise hi log hain. Ek baar dekh ke to aa panchayati kunsi gadiyo mein ghumte hain aur unka pehnawa kya hota hai. 90% bus yatra karte hain ya fir sajhi jeep(without AC) karke jate hain.Unko bhi pata hai ki unki baat kisi ko man-ni nahi par fir bhi samaj ki sharam hai jo unhe majboor karti hai.
    Dream is not what you see while sleeping. Dream is that which won't let you sleep

  11. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by rakeshsehrawat View Post
    Apki wo sahi baat dosre ke liye fainsla hai. Khandwadhari urf Panchayati urf jo bhi kahein wo bhi yehi kaam karte hai bas itna farak hai unki baat ek TALIBANI FAINSLE ki shakal aikhtiyar kar leti hai. I am not saying anything else just read your own statements from diffrent angle be your own judge. Tu apne aap ko itna defend kyon kar raha hai? Mujhe agar tu kahega ki mere dadaji logo ke fainsle karwate hain to mere dil mein unki Izzat kam nahi hogi balki badhegi .Ye kaam harek ke baska nahi log sache aur seedhe aadmi ko hi aise kaam ke liye bulate hain.Unki ek izzat hai aur wo sahi baat bolte hain isliye unki baat ko fainsla mana jata hai.baki bhi aise hi log hain. Ek baar dekh ke to aa panchayati kunsi gadiyo mein ghumte hain aur unka pehnawa kya hota hai. 90% bus yatra karte hain ya fir sajhi jeep(without AC) karke jate hain.Unko bhi pata hai ki unki baat kisi ko man-ni nahi par fir bhi samaj ki sharam hai jo unhe majboor karti hai.
    First of all, stop assuming things! Main agar kisi thik baat ke hak me bolta hu, aur 5 aadmi usko galat samjhte hai to meri thik baat "faisla" nahi ho jati. Thik baat bolna aur usko 'faisle" me convert karna 2 alag-alag baate hai. Kitne e gin le gaam ke rolle, gaal me pani babat ho, keht ke dolle babat ho, ya fer gitwade babat ho. Panchayat hmesha us admi ke hak me faisla deti hai aaj ke tam me jo ruabdaar ho gaon me. Gareeb ki to jyaat bhi na bujhi janti panchayt me.
    Aur bhai Koi mere hak me bolta hai to mjhe ye nahi samjh lena chaiye ki wo baat "faisla" ban gayi ya ban jayegi. Usko contradict karne ke liye 50 aadmi aur khade ho sakte hai. Jaise ki In khuniyo ke paksh me aap jaise bhai-bhandu 10-10 rupiye ikatthe kar rahe hai. Mere liye aur mere jaise kayio ke liye kisi ka khoon karna galat hai. Aur aap jaise bhai ke liye wo sahi hai. Court ne maana ki wo khuni hai aur unko saja di. par ab aap jaise bhai paise ikatthe karke unko bachane ke liye high court me jane ki soch rahe hai.
    Jis din kanoon implement ho gya "honor killings" ke against, us din che 100-100 katthe kar liyo, in ne bachaniya koe vakil nahi se.

    And I'm not defending myself anywhere, m just trying to clear your so called "own assumptions". Main kahta kuch hu aur bhai tu samjh kuch or le hai er baat ne personal bna de se. I wrote in elaborative manner so that you understand my point clearly, and you assumed I'm defending myself.

    And once again where did I mention that respect towards my grandfather has decreased in my heart? Fer assume kar liya tane apne dhore te ke wo logo ki madad ke liye jata hai to mujhe uspe garv nahi hai?? Mane to apni post me pahla e likh diya tha ke dada-dadi me pote ka moh faltu hoya kare. I'm no exception to this. Main kabhi us admi ko respect karni kam nahi kar sakta jo mane khet ke dolya pe padhya bitha ke le jayaa karta.

    Ek aur baat assume kar li tane ke sare log jo panchayat me hote hai wo sahi hote hai. Sahi aadmi bhot kam rah rhe se mere bhai duniya me. pancho ungliya brabar nahi hoti kabhi. There are always difference in opinions. If you have six people around a table, you will get seven opinions. You can see here only on JL, in this poll itself. how people differ in their views!
    Panchayat me agar ek-do aadmi thik hai to ye nahi maan lena chaiye ki baki bache sare bhi badhiya hi hai.

    Er pahnave ki baat na e kare to badhiya se bhai. Nyu to Modi bhi khadi kurta pajama pahre haande ja se, er chautala dhoti kurta. Par inme te kunsa isa se jo pise nahi khamta ya apni rajneeti chamkaan khatir ochhi harkat nahi karta?? Chautala to world famous se tejakhera ke farm house me MLA ne peetan khatir. Pahnava kabhi kisi aadmi ki sirat nahi btata, correct your assumption here.

    Gaam ki panchayt aale ne to gaadi ki jarurat nahi se. Chapaad me e baithe rah se aadhi haan to. Er khaap ke leader ksi trah aate jate hai wo btaan ki jarurat na se. AC aali gadi me ghume se har time.

    Aur teri last line pe poori trah sahmat hu main.

    Panchayat ka kaam hota hai gaon me development karna aur shanti banaye rakhna. par inme te koisa bhi kaam nahi karti ye.
    Same gotra marraige rokni hai to logo me jagrukta lao. Seminar lagao, usme sari sabhyta ke bare me bareeki se batao. Samjhao achi trah sabhyta aur hmare sanskaro ke bare me.
    As vijay already said in another thread that even after these "honor killings" the same gotra marriages cases have happened, then this is not the solution. It should be looked in with some different perspectives. Lakeer peete te kaam na chale bhai.


    I have replied to every question you have come with, but you have not responded to my questions that I asked you. please go thru my previous posts and answer them if you feel like.

    Don't take things in personal manner and please come up with valid answers/arguments if you have any. Will appreciate that.

    I'm not going to reply to you in future if you again come up with personal things "tere ghar me/ teri gela/tu kya/tune kya kiya" type baaten.

    We are here to discuss things w.r.t our community and not personal life/matters.

    Thanks
    A350Xwb - Shaping Efficiency!

  12. #72
    [QUOTE=malikdeepak1;243780]Judge itna bawla na hota ke koi ro de er faisla uske hak me suna de. nyu te kise ne saja e na hove poori duniya me. Er na uski maa ka byot itna ke judge tai pise khuwa de hai wa faisla hak me karwaan tai. Khoon kiya tha to saja mili aur main is baat ka support karta hu ki jo faisla judge ne diya wo bilkul sahi tha. khoon karne ka hak kisi ko nahi.
    Deepak, it is wrong to state that a judge is always right, some time they passed judgment/order on presumption and surmise, without applying judicious mind. And in such kind of cases like murder, rape etc rarely found any eye witnesses so need to decide on the basis of circustancial evidence.A judge has to be extra careful considering such evidences. There are no of judgements those reversed by appellat court in appeal.As per my view this judgement will also be reversed(am damm sure about it legally) and it is not supposed to be rarest of rare case which required death penalty.
    Last edited by sanjaymalik; April 20th, 2010 at 05:02 PM.

  13. #73
    [QUOTE=sanjaymalik;243850]
    Quote Originally Posted by malikdeepak1 View Post
    Judge itna bawla na hota ke koi ro de er faisla uske hak me suna de. nyu te kise ne saja e na hove poori duniya me. Er na uski maa ka byot itna ke judge tai pise khuwa de hai wa faisla hak me karwaan tai. Khoon kiya tha to saja mili aur main is baat ka support karta hu ki jo faisla judge ne diya wo bilkul sahi tha. khoon karne ka hak kisi ko nahi.
    Deepak, it is wrong to state that a judge is always right, some time they passed judgment/order on presumption and surmise, without applying judicious mind. And in such kind of cases like murder, rape etc rarely found any eye witnesses so need to decide on the basis of circustancial evidence.A judge has to be extra careful considering such evidences. There are no of judgements those reversed by appellat court in appeal.As per my view this judgement will also be reversed(am damm sure about it legally) and it is not supposed to be rarest of rare case which required death penalty.
    Sanjay bhaisaab, I was just opposing the comment given by Rakesh bhai ki us ladki ki maa ro padi court me aur judge ne uska rona dekh kar saja suna di. I agree with you that judges not always take decisions with their judicious minds. par wo kisi ka rona dekh kar bhi faisla nahi sunate.
    A350Xwb - Shaping Efficiency!

  14. #74
    [QUOTE=malikdeepak1;243851]
    Quote Originally Posted by sanjaymalik View Post

    Sanjay bhaisaab, I was just opposing the comment given by Rakesh bhai ki us ladki ki maa ro padi court me aur judge ne uska rona dekh kar saja suna di. I agree with you that judges not always take decisions with their judicious minds. par wo kisi ka rona dekh kar bhi faisla nahi sunate.
    Bhai rona dekh ke judgment likhte hon e to sab ja ke ron lag jan. But some time judge have under tremendious pressure of media and the case instead of court trail became media trail. there is no. of example in which lower judiciary has decided case under media pressure like BMW case which was than reversed by Delhi High Court.

  15. #75

    Post

    [QUOTE=sanjaymalik;243853]
    Quote Originally Posted by malikdeepak1 View Post

    Bhai rona dekh ke judgment likhte hon e to sab ja ke ron lag jan. But some time judge have under tremendious pressure of media and the case instead of court trail became media trail. there is no. of example in which lower judiciary has decided case under media pressure like BMW case which was than reversed by Delhi High Court.
    Decision of Court is sure shot a conspiracy. The lady judge is mere a pawn in the game. The entire episode is to tame 'independent mindset' JATs.

    Reason behind such a step is FEAR , fear of unknown , fear of JAT power & power of a JAT.

    * Here point to remember is that JATs don't have nay institution like a Golden Temple(Sikhs) or any such , which can act as a symbolic figure for entire community... to unite us....had we had such a thing that would have been the first target.

    IRONY :Same media claps for Saina Vijender Virender Sushil ...countless....but never supported the scientific cause behind their successes.

  16. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by vpsingh View Post
    I do not know how true the story is, but it is very true about Jat community leaders that they vie with each other to get political mileage out of community forums by raising a bogey of irrelevant issues as it gets them publicity. They are less concerned about the broader interest of the community and the more important issues like betterment of education, employment, dowry system, female foeticide, roads, electricity etc. It is also true that the jealousy towards fellow Jats of equal or better status is a dominating factor of the Jat psyche. I have seen enough of it on this portal itself. Similarly, in politics two Jat leaders having equal political clout can never co-exist. (Jaise ek gaon mein do jhote nahin rah sakte). That is why in States like Haryana, Jats being the single largest vote bank had to cede the CM's chair to other communities several times (Bhagwat Dayal Sharma, Rao Birender Singh, Bhajan lal (twice or thrice), Banarsi Das Gupta). Similarly in Rajasthan, perhaps no Jat has ever been able to be CM as far as my knowledge goes or may be Ram Niwas Mridha once, but not very sure inspite of sizeable chunk of Jat votes there. UP politics is very complex. After Chaudhary Charan Singh's demise, Jats are being kept in straight jacket by the other communities viz. Brahamins, Rajputs and now Maya Mem Sahab who has totally side-lined the Jats - thanks to the intra-fighting. Powerful Jat leaders like Shri Tikait had to eat a humble pie sometime back when Madam's sleuths cracked down on him. It was really humiliating for all the Jats. If the trend of intra-fighting continues, time is not far when Jats will be completely routed politically even in the pocket boroughs dominated by them at present like Haryana.
    bhai ji khaap arr panchayati raaj me faraq ho s ........
    " जाट हारा नहीं कभी रण में तीर तोप तलवारों से ,
    जाट तो हारा हैं , गद्दारों से दरबारों से
    |"

    " इस कौम का ईलाही दुखड़ा किसे सुनाऊ ?
    डर हैं के इसके गम में घुल घुल के न मर जाऊँ || "
    ...........................चौ.छोटूराम ओहल्याण

  17. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by raka View Post
    bhai ji khaap arr panchayati raaj me faraq ho s ........
    Rakesh Bhai Pancahyat aur Khap ka farak maloom hai mujhe. Par is bat ka is post se koi sambandh mujhe nahin lagta. Agar to aapkta matlab education, employment, road, electricity se hai to sari khap milkar apna prabhav aur pressure use kar sakti hai ruling party par yeh kam karvane ke liye. Aur ek sabse bada mudda jiska jikar karna main bhool gaya vo hai dowry ka. dowry system ke khilaf bhi sarv khap fatwa jari kar sakte hain agar aap jaise mojeej log unse kahen to. Kripya apne prabhav ka istemal karen khaps par. Vaise aap to senior admi hain aur ilake ke hain apko jyada kya kahen. Vaise bhi Sangwwan mein apna Nanihal hai (My mother is Sangwan from Atela/Sarangpur). Aap Sangwan Khap ke log kafi majakiya hote hain agar jyada kuch likhoonga to aur majak udaoge. Isliye bhai Ram Ram.

  18. #78
    Bhai ji, ye Panchayat or Khap k beech ka farak mhare jise balkan ne bhi samjha do, taki hum bhi development or traditions k beech ka sambandh samajh sakein. Does Khaps protect/influence society?, are Panchayat responsible for society development? How are they inter related? and Who is superior?
    The word "EQUAL" has no meaning in human life

  19. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by jitendershooda View Post
    महापंचायत में लिए गए फैसले
    1. हिंदू विवाह अधिनियम में संशोधन किया जाए। इस संशोधन के तहत खून व दूध के रिश्ते, खुद के गोत्र व मां के गोत्र में शादियां नहीं होंगी। यह प्रावधान अधिनियम में किया जाए।
    2.गांव की गांव में और जिस गोत्र का गांव में खेड़ा हो, उस मुख्य गोत्र की लड़की उसी गांव में ब्याही नहीं जाएगी।
    3. सीमा लगते हुए गांवों में भी शादियां नहीं की जाएंगी।
    4. मनोज-बबली हत्याकांड में 10-10 रुपये इकट्ठा कर फांसी की सजा प्राप्त पांच लोगों का केस हाईकोर्ट में लड़ा जाएगा।
    5. मंदिर और कोर्ट शादी में गवाह के रूप में दोनों पक्षों के माता-पिता, गांव के नंबरदार, सरपंच होने चाहिए। यदि इनके अलावा कोई गवाह होता है तो यह शादी मान्य नहीं होगी।
    6. खाप पंचायतों के फैसलों को लोक अदालतों का दर्जा देकर उन्हे मान्यता दी जाए।
    7. जनगणना 2010 में सभी अपना वैदिक धर्म लिखवाएं।
    8. जो नेता व संगठन पंचायतों के खिलाफ बोलते है, उनकी कड़े शब्दों में निंदा की जाए।
    9. दिल्ली में यदि कोई आंदोलन होता है तो उसकी तारीख का फैसला बाद में किया जाएगा।
    10. आंदोलन के दौरान राज्य अथवा दिल्ली में कहीं भी कोई नुकसान होता है तो सरकार की जिम्मेदारी होगी।
    11. जिला स्तर पर 36 बिरादरी की कमेटी गठित की जाए।
    12. जिला बार एसोसिएशनों से सामाजिक मुद्दों पर संघर्ष में सहयोग लिया जाए।

    Kindly vote.
    Also please share only with points you agree with and points not.

    *Kindly read last poll option as 12 (Don't know how to edit the poll) and first one as less than or equal to 3.

    जितेंदर भाई अगर यह संसोधन होता हैं तो आपके बाकी पॉइंट्स वैसे ही निरस्त हो जाते हैं |
    रही बात पैसे उगाही आली तो यह खामखा की बात स , ऐसे कोई ना उगाता पैसे हाँ इब इसकी आड़ में एक आधा अपनी गोज जरुर बर जावेगा |
    रही बात वैदिक धर्म वाली तो भाई आप अपनी इतिहास की किताबे उठा कर देखे जिसमे जाटों के धर्म के बारे में लिखा हैं की जाट "भैयां" या पंजाबी में " जठेरों " की पूजा करते हैं | आप सबको पता होगा इस "भैयां" का | यह हिन्दू शब्द तो अब आया हैं और वैसे भी यह हिन्दू शब्द सिन्धु से बना हैं क्योकि फारसी में "स" को बोलते वक़्त "ह" निकलता हैं जिस कारण यह "सिन्धु" से "हिन्दू" शब्द का इजाद हुआ | इस लिए मेरे ख्याल से वैदिक धर्म लिखवाने में कोई हर्ज नहीं हैं |
    कई लोग यह आरोप लगते हैं की लोग इसमें अपनी राजनितिक रोटिया सेकते हैं तो भाइयो सभी लोग एक जैसे नहीं होते हाँ कई बार कुछ नकली मुर्ख लोग जरुर माहोल खराब कर देते हैं , फिर भी ऐसा कोई गलत फैसला नहीं लिया जाता |
    कइयो ने लोक अदालत के बारे में कहा हैं तो क्या आपकी ये सरकारी अदालते नहीं बिकती मनु शर्मा केस का तो सबको पता हैं कितनी इमानदारी दिखाई थी उसमे कानून ने | पंचायत में कोई एक आदमी नहीं होता जिसको आप खरीद लोगे |


    Think which become obvious in future

  20. #80
    I am absolutely agree with the decision of Mahapanchayat. Most of the points should be implemented immediately. I am not agree with the court verdict.

    Let us think, if there a marriage which is held within the same gotra or mother's gotra, what is the difference between beasts and men. A cow give birth to a calf and when the calf becomes a bull, it can make sexual relation with the same cow and so on. This is enough to understand this type of lovers. There are so many gotra, castes, so many girls and boys available for this beautiful and affectionate affair. Please do not give a bad name of love.

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