bhai advancement ke naam pe ... secularism ke nam pe ... log aapne balka ne chude chamara me bhi bhayhan lag gye .....Originally Posted by upendersingh
par yahan swal ye hai ke kise ka balak nalayak nikal gya.... kunbe ki badnami kar di , to usne maren ak choden
pehli baat anjoo jee....haam apne se upar kise ne na mante anjoo jee..... mhare bujurg khet me maati gel maati hoye hian... bahman mhare se kaise upar ho gye?ii
dusri baat.... jata me ke sare mar gye jo bahman dekhna pade
Bhai mere hisab se kisiko marna to sahi nahin ha....... Lekin ek gotra main saadi bhi uchit nahin ha...to fir problem ka solution kya ha...???
Mere hisab se jo ho chuka uske bare main sochana wakt ki barbadi ha hamain ye sochana chahiye ki aisa fir na ho....iske liye humain youyaon ko jagrat karne ki jarurat ha....unhain samaj ke niyamon ke bare main batana parents ki zimmedari honi chhahiye....
Mere college time main ma jab junioron(Jaton) se intrection karta aur puchata .....ki bhai kis gotra ke jat ho....??? ....to kuch ka jaawab hota tha ki ......bhaiya gotra kya hoti ha....???
Aisi hi condition main aisi ghatnayan hoti hain..... Jab bachpan se mata-pita ne bachhe ko kuch bataya hi nahin....... Aur fir achanak se ye kahane lage ki same gotra main saadi nahin ho sakti....to bachha is bat ko follow karega iske kam hi chances hain...kyonki uska dimak ab viksit ho chuka ha....bachpan se jo usne sikha ha usi aadha par wo faisala leta ha....aur puri life paresan raha ta ha..... Isliye pahali galti maa-baap ki ha.....ki unhone apne bachhe ko aisi tahajib nahin di ki wo samaj main sar unch karke ji sake....jo ki uska mul adhikar tha....isliye parents ki galti jyada ha...
Social education hi iska ekmatra upaya ha.
aur ye neta aisi saadion aur lone merriage ko badhawa isliye de rahe hain kyonki inki khudke gharon main ye hi hota ha.....inki cast , shabyata sab mit chuki ha....soniya gandhi ka example le sakte ha......koi gandhi khandan ki cast bata sakta ha....... Socity inko ghatiya na maane isliye ye socity ko hi aisa bana dena chate hain...... Inka kahana ha ki love merrage se jatiwad khatam hoga.....lekin main ye poochata hoon ye jatiwad aaya kahan se...... inke aache sabdon ke piche buri bhawana ha......ye ek sadyantra ha hamari unity torne ka....aur bahaut dukh ha ki kuch had tak wo safal bhi ho rahe hain..... Ye to saale angregon se bhi khatarnak nikle......
in inter cast marriage se socity main kitni problems ho rahe ha uski taraf koi dhyan nahin de raha.... Aaye din akhbar main padhte hain ki court ne police ko premi yugal ki suraksh ka aadesh diya..... Matlab india main police ka kam to sirf premi yugal ko bachana hi raha gaya......total westage of money..... Agar pura samaj system follo kare to fir iski jarurat nahin ha...
Aur rahi baat manoj- babli case ki .....to is case ne to moka de diya tamam murkhon ko buddhijivi kahalane ka....saale sabhi apni trp badhane main lage hue hain..... ispe sab jagha itna discuss ho chuka ha ki ab aur jarurat nahin......
mere bhai .. sab jante hue ubhi log filmo se itne prabhawit h0 ke galat step uthate hian, itna nadaan koi nahi hota ke use sahi galat na maloom ho, par so called love unko majboor kar deta hai
Brahmins are not the highest caste in fact. As they were and are indulged in worship, temples, gods etc. so they were supposed to be pious. They have always lived on the mercy of Kshatriyas. Kshatriyas have been the ruler, Brahmins not. If in Varna system Brahmin is mind, Kshatriya is arms, Vaishya is stomach and Shoodra is feet then Jats are supposed to be borne from jatas (hairs) of Lord Shiva. Hairs are on the top of the mind. Actually such varna systems are self made. Qualities of any caste tell which caste is upper and which is lower.
If a lower caste man wants to marry a upper caste girl, then he makes that upper caste girl lower caste. It is not good. But if a Jat (upper caste) marries any lower caste girl, then it is good and should be the matter of pride for the girl's family that their girl is going in upper caste. Finally I would like to say that if any Jat boy marries a Brahmin girl against the wish of her family members then I can't support that Jat boy. Others views may differ.
Aur filmon se bhi jyada kharab karte hain ye hamare samaj ke neta.....jinhone apne ladke ladkion ki saadi dusare samaj main ki ha......
Lekin fir bhi aagar humain hamare samaj ko takatwar banaye rakhana ha to humain hamare khoon dusit hone se bachana hoga....bachpan se bachhon ka mind itna strong karna hoga ki wo movies or dusari chijon se prabhawit na hoon.
No way whatsoever it is!!
Having said that, however if somebody does something which makes his/her family's name & fame degraced by doing something which is against their family's traditions, beliefs, norms in the society in which they are liviing in (social norms do change with geography, something which is not appropriate in India may be decent enough in West)....such people need councelling and their anti social advancement should be discouraged.
Good health is heaven.
Firstly, I am not very sure that when we talk about “Same gotra” marriage – does it include both father’s & Mother’s surnames or just the Father’s surname?
I know in India we have Patriarchy system as a social norm but this is something which is not compulsory. If child/children want to retain their mother’s surnames, so in a way father’s surname becomes secondary. Which gautra would be considered here in the books of law?
Secondly, the demand of amending the HMA to bar same gautra marriage, is it just applicable for Jat community or going to be applicable uniformly in India? I presume it’s just for Jat community and not for whole country.However, India has so many different communities, castes/sub castes that if every community, caste starts demanding implementing their own marriage norms…it would be nightmare for judiciary/executive system to consider such petitions every second day, it would be a total chaos!!
Thirdly, I am not sure what if a particular gautra is present somewhere else in other part of India and these families sharing same gautra are not linked by any means for so many years (say 5/6 generations) ?
Also, personally am not very much convinced by the frequent logic given in discussion forms that having same gautra marriages cause some genetic disorders – In South India people are marrying in mother’s gautra for years and haven’t heard anything that their families are suffering from some genetically deficient disorders!!
Moreover, in one of the above posts, Mr. Vijay mentioned that there are so variants of same gautra like Phogat, Phougat, Fogat, ... Sihag, Siwag, Sehwag, how come these kinds of variations would be tacked if there is an amendment in HMA?
Personally, being born in a rural background Jat family and being brought up in an extended family culture (village bhaichara)…I believe same gautra marriages should not be allowed within the same village and neighboring villages where this gautra is present.
However, I think young people should rather be made aware of these social traditions, common beliefs related to marriages and other social norms. Societies do evolve, things do change with time and take their own course of action. Jat community has started accepting Inter caste marriages, we have left Nani’s & Dadi’s gautra while marrying… may be tomorrow there will be need to leave mother’s gautra as well…??
Same gautra marriages should be discouraged in given time, however these social norms should be self observatory and not the forced dictate. Khap panchayats / Panchayats, any other social form (like Jatland) should play an important role here in spreading social awareness, to educate ourselves about our rich heritage, beliefs and culture!!
I am not sure if amending the HMA to bar same gautra marriages will solve the issue??
Good health is heaven.
Mods Please Listen to Them. Its not Democratic. :D
जागरूक ती अज्ञानी नहीं बनाया जा सके, स्वाभिमानी का अपमान नहीं करा जा सके , निडर ती दबाया नहीं जा सके भाई नुए सामाजिक क्रांति एक बार आ जे तो उसती बदला नहीं जा सके ---ज्याणी जाट।
दोस्त हो या दुश्मन, जाट दोनुआ ने १०० साल ताईं याद राखा करे ।
Yes No Problem A futher Point can be added Do you support "Same-village marriage".
You guys can start and this thread would be closed down.
Or if Dear mods Could amend the poll please? I dont know how to do that.
Last edited by VirJ; May 14th, 2010 at 06:38 AM.
जागरूक ती अज्ञानी नहीं बनाया जा सके, स्वाभिमानी का अपमान नहीं करा जा सके , निडर ती दबाया नहीं जा सके भाई नुए सामाजिक क्रांति एक बार आ जे तो उसती बदला नहीं जा सके ---ज्याणी जाट।
दोस्त हो या दुश्मन, जाट दोनुआ ने १०० साल ताईं याद राखा करे ।
Bhai tere khud yaad koni tunnai kitne thread start kare the...jibbe etc likhai hai...
Anyways..jokes apart
I think thread "12 points by MahaPanchayat - How much you agree?" poll option which says "Less than or equal to 3" is not clear on finding people who oppose same gotra marriage or who favor same gotra marriage.Or people who want amendment in hindu marriage act or not.
There might be some brave people(According to you) who do not like any of these three points and there might be people who agree with all three points. New threads started by Vipin give a clear picture on people's opinion.
Last edited by vicky84; May 14th, 2010 at 06:32 AM.
poll is public
Your request has been forwarded to the administrator. It will be amended if possibleguys do u know how to change the poll vote?? i accidentally voted for extreamly wrong option
Ravi Chaudhary
Last edited by ravichaudhary; May 14th, 2010 at 06:34 AM.
for clarification.
Some members are confused between intra and inter.
Intra would be within- i.e same goth or village.
Inter- would be between two villages or two goths
Kusum, Vipin
Please review your posts, and clarify
Ravi Chaudhary
Last edited by ravichaudhary; May 14th, 2010 at 05:09 PM. Reason: m
To all members
Please mind your language in comments.
Please do not get personal. It can get you banned.
Ravi Chaudhary
Ravi ji to avoid confusion. I changed mine to "Same Village"
जागरूक ती अज्ञानी नहीं बनाया जा सके, स्वाभिमानी का अपमान नहीं करा जा सके , निडर ती दबाया नहीं जा सके भाई नुए सामाजिक क्रांति एक बार आ जे तो उसती बदला नहीं जा सके ---ज्याणी जाट।
दोस्त हो या दुश्मन, जाट दोनुआ ने १०० साल ताईं याद राखा करे ।
If not Democratic, my comments may please be ignored by the moderators. But I would like to clarify that the same were not intended to encroach upon anyone's democratic right.
MUMBAI: A desire to get married the traditional way attracts young non-resident Indian couples to tie the knot in India, but the Hindu Marriage Act (HMA) may not be applicable to them if they are domicile of a foreign country. The Bombay high court has said that the HMA cannot apply to an estranged couple who were domiciled in the US.
http://timesofindia.indiatimes.com/i...ow/5649268.cms
जागरूक ती अज्ञानी नहीं बनाया जा सके, स्वाभिमानी का अपमान नहीं करा जा सके , निडर ती दबाया नहीं जा सके भाई नुए सामाजिक क्रांति एक बार आ जे तो उसती बदला नहीं जा सके ---ज्याणी जाट।
दोस्त हो या दुश्मन, जाट दोनुआ ने १०० साल ताईं याद राखा करे ।
What is Honour Killing?
Is it killing to save honour or Getting honour for killing?
Dream is not what you see while sleeping. Dream is that which won't let you sleep
First thing, we can and should avoid same-clan marriages to set at rest all controversies.
I reproduce my post under another thread for a suitable reply to your question.
Originally written by vpsingh
Quite recently, the humble and feeble modernity has been under scathing attack facing so many ruthless onslaughts from the custodians of our community, genuine as well as self-styled, accusing that modernity is the real culprit of violating the well-established societal norms like not marrying in the same-clan and within village etc. In my assessment modernity has nothing to do with intimate relations and the human sexual behaviour. The ‘Homosapiens’ considered to be our forefathers were more indulged in free sex without having regard to their caste, creed, religion, region or even their clan as these nuances evolved much later. I find the modern youth much more rational, well behaved and controlled in his/her sexual behaviour, observance of social norms and sophistry – thanks to the enhanced sources of scientific knowledge and education. Some of us seem to be satirical about those living in metropolitan cities for adopting modern style of living. It is a very wrong perception that those living in metropolitan cities like, Delhi, Mumbai, Bangalore, New York or even Timbuktu are indulging in all sorts of immoral acts. The scenario is not much better in the comparatively smaller towns/villages considered to be the bastion of culture and customs, as far as behavioural changes are concerned. There are people everywhere who indulge in all sorts of immoral acts irrespective of the size of a city or village. It has become more a fashion and a routine rhetoric to criticize modernity, rather than going deep into introspection and retrospection to analyze the facts and changing trends of behaviour.
Paradoxically enough, many of us spare no opportunity to criticize modernity in pursuit of being called as saviours of ‘traditions’, but, at the same time seem to be vying with each other to have everything that symbolizes modernity viz. sending our kids to English medium schools, wearing trendy clothes, having latest gizmos and luxury cars. How many of us are still wearing the handloom clothes made by the village weavers. Why don’t we wear turban and ‘dhoti-Kurta’ if we are so much concerned about our traditional identity? Why do we insist upon our wives to wear the modern lingerie and siphon. We should insist that they should remain clad in 52 yard “Ghaghra” and ‘bandhej ki odhni’ while keeping their faces covered all the time. The same logic also demands that we should prevent our daughters attending the modern day co-educational school, colleges and universities which offer them ample opportunities for close interaction with their opposite sex. We should rather be insisting on their sending to ‘Gurukuls ‘ only – traditional institutes. We will have to radically revive many of our traditions, if we are not prepared to adapt ourselves to the changed environment.
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