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Thread: Reservation versus Commonwealth Games

  1. #61
    Quote Originally Posted by kapil.dalal View Post
    Jat jat to yun lagaayi hui hai jaise Dilli China ka hissa ho. Koi sa syana bhai yeh batayega ki dilli mein kitne jat hain? Kya unke ghar ka paani nahin kaata? Sirf non Jats ka paani kaata hai? Ek samajhdaar bhai to yun bhi keh raha tha ki dilli ne bahut der andhere mein rakha hai, to ek raat dilli ko andhere main rakhna tha. Bhai se poochho ki yeh Sonia ke ghar ki bijli kaatega ke Sheila Dixit ki.

    Dilli mein 1.5 crore log hai. Jismein se lakhon Jat hain. Bataao in logon ne kisi ka kya bigada hai.
    Kanti bhed ko nake rardo.

  2. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by piyush23 View Post
    Bhai do chaar log jyada hi samajhdar hain yahan...... aise logon ke liye hi sir chotu ram ne ye wakya likhe the jo aapke signeture main likhe hue hain.
    bhai kuch adde Shakuni bhi hain... joo durr khade hoke aag luwaya karen.. Adde kitne hain joo Police ki Goli agge khade honge..

    Jab ude rola hoga toh ghankhran baaj jange.

    ek adami issa dikha dee adee joo nuu kanda hooo ek Haan main sab teh agae rahunga agitation main

    Sab suwadu hain

  3. #63
    Quote Originally Posted by yudhvirmor View Post
    bhai kuch adde Shakuni bhi hain... joo durr khade hoke aag luwaya karen.. Adde kitne hain joo Police ki Goli agge khade honge..

    Jab ude rola hoga toh ghankhran baaj jange.

    ek adami issa dikha dee adee joo nuu kanda hooo ek Haan main sab teh agae rahunga agitation main

    Sab suwadu hain
    Bhai main to ye manta hoon jo is site pe hain wo jati ke liye samarpit log hain.... aur apne-apne field main samaj ko kisi na kisi roop se madad kar rahe hain......
    Bhai main to apni baat bata sakta hoon...... Abhi tak maine 13 JAT boys ko prothsahi kar ke engg. Main bhijwaya ha..... 3 jane PMT main bhi select hue hain......... 2 saadiyan karwa chuka hoon....... Jahan bhi bathata hoon wahan samaj ko kis taraha fayada ho sakta ye hi sochta hoon...... Yahan bhi main backwass karne nahin aata hoon ...... Main discussion main bhaag leta hoon taki samaj ke youaon ki manshikta ka pata lagta ha aur discussion se kuch knowledge bhi mil jata ha....
    Mujhe yaha bahaut dukh hota ha jab main dekhta hoon ki kuch log har kaam jo samaj ke liye ho raha ho uska virodh karte hain....
    Log kudh videsh main baithe hain.... Wahan ki sarkar ko incomtex de rahe hain aur baat desh-bhakti ki kar rahe hain..... Kitna virodhabhas ha in baton main....

  4. #64
    Irrespective of whether how many jats are there in Delhi or not, to trouble people for any relevant or irrelevant demands is a sin. An extension of such act would slide into the category of terrorism. There is a clear difference of opinion among the jats on the issue of reservations, so how can the government decide so easily on this issue. If any other caste group comes up today and behaves the way we are, then should the govt. accept its demands for the same. Should the govt. accept the demands of islamic extremist, or the maoist. This approach of opportunism is not only troublesome but a huge embarassement for the whole jat community and to top it, some even people take pride in it. What is the point of achieving something at the cost of causing agony to the masses. Is this not selfishness and an act of cowardness??

  5. #65
    Quote Originally Posted by piyush23 View Post
    Bhai main to ye manta hoon jo is site pe hain wo jati ke liye samarpit log hain.... aur apne-apne field main samaj ko kisi na kisi roop se madad kar rahe hain......
    Bhai main to apni baat bata sakta hoon...... Abhi tak maine 13 JAT boys ko prothsahi kar ke engg. Main bhijwaya ha..... 3 jane PMT main bhi select hue hain......... 2 saadiyan karwa chuka hoon....... Jahan bhi bathata hoon wahan samaj ko kis taraha fayada ho sakta ye hi sochta hoon...... Yahan bhi main backwass karne nahin aata hoon ...... Main discussion main bhaag leta hoon taki samaj ke youaon ki manshikta ka pata lagta ha aur discussion se kuch knowledge bhi mil jata ha....
    Mujhe yaha bahaut dukh hota ha jab main dekhta hoon ki kuch log har kaam jo samaj ke liye ho raha ho uska virodh karte hain....
    Log kudh videsh main baithe hain.... Wahan ki sarkar ko incomtex de rahe hain aur baat desh-bhakti ki kar rahe hain..... Kitna virodhabhas ha in baton main....
    Yah toh badiya baat hai bhai ji ek ap logon ko encourage karte hoo Engineering ar PMT main admission ke liye.. I think you are doing a great job.

    However, Its offending to call somebody traitor because he/she doesn't agree with you. Let me put it other way around, You are from Rajasthan and I am from Haryana. If I call you Dalit because you have jat reservation there, I am sure that will be like demeaning you.

    Now comes to NRI/RI, Yah site bhi NRI ke pisse teh challa hai.. If somebody is not serving army, it doesn't mean that he/she is not patriot like you and me. We all contribute in some or other way towards society.

    Nobody is saying that jat's Protest is wrong. All we are saying that way of protest is wrong. You can't just stop some canal without thinking about 1.5 core population. Socho agar yoh kaam Punjab alle karde toh Indra Gandhi Canal band kareke.

  6. #66
    Quote Originally Posted by yudhvirmor View Post
    Yah toh badiya baat hai bhai ji ek ap logon ko encourage karte hoo Engineering ar PMT main admission ke liye.. I think you are doing a great job.

    However, Its offending to call somebody traitor because he/she doesn't agree with you. Let me put it other way around, You are from Rajasthan and I am from Haryana. If I call you Dalit because you have jat reservation there, I am sure that will be like demeaning you.

    Now comes to NRI/RI, Yah site bhi NRI ke pisse teh challa hai.. If somebody is not serving army, it doesn't mean that he/she is not patriot like you and me. We all contribute in some or other way towards society.

    Nobody is saying that jat's Protest is wrong. All we are saying that way of protest is wrong. You can't just stop some canal without thinking about 1.5 core population. Socho agar yoh kaam Punjab alle karde toh Indra Gandhi Canal band kareke.
    Bhai agar aapko hamain dalit kaha kar khusi milti ho to aap kaha sakte ho...... Lekin mera manna ye ha ki pure vishwa ke jaton main ek hi khoon ha......
    Aur is desh main kya sahi ho raha ha..... 15000 logon ka murder karne wale ko govt. Cm. Pm. Hi desh se bhaga dete hain...... In bhagane walon ke uper manavta ke khilaf youdh ka case banna chahiye.... Wahi saluk hona chahiye jo Laden, Sadham husen ke sath hua.....
    Bhai ye kalyug ha..... Bina paresan kiye koi baat ko gambhirta se nahin leta...... Bhai agar hum field main rahakar direct sahayog nahin kar sakte to kam se kam positive bol kar unke josh ko to barkarar to rakh sakte hain....... Agar hum har jagha samaj ka virodh karenge to ant main nuksaan hamara hi ha.....

    Kahate bhi hain ki ''JAT ko ya to Ram mare ya fir JAT hi mare''
    To mere bhai hum ye kam chod dete hain ye sirf Ram pe hi chod dete hain.

  7. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by yudhvirmor View Post
    Believe me Hemant, These commonwealth games are not less than war. Its an open challenge for us to make them successful. If we'll miss this bus, no major tournament will be hosted on Indian soil in next 50 years. We need to make most out of it. We just can't humiliate our nation just because we are not getting reservation.

    If we think reservation is a need of hour, take it politically, create enough strength.. Tell congress leaders in Haryana, Rajashtan, UP and Delhi that if they need votes they have to fight for us. These violent demonstrations will lead to chaos and some innocent people will be killed in indiscriminate police firing and that will be the biggest setback to this movement. We tried through violent means in 1991. I remember that time, more than 100 youths died alone in Haryana, I am sure those families are still suffering and they lost the faith in democracy forever.

    I also want to make my point clear that I am against any form of reservation for Jats. However, if majority of us think that its an need of hour, then I just request them to figure out more peaceful ways to approach authorities.

    Ar bhai, jiss ude Goli chalengi, uss dinn ghankhare pindiyan ka tel laka baaj lenge..Inn rolan main sirf bhola adami fansa kare...
    Mor Sahab,

    Though I agree with the very soul behind your words…..I too agree that successful commonwealth games are important to India….If CWG fails it will hurt me as badly as you bro as an Indian….
    But I beg to differ from you that these protests were violent…
    Earlier on so many occasions when our brothers gave dharna’s & pardarshan’s , no one bothered to listen to us….This action of stopping water to delhi is just an sign to govt or you can say shaakti pardarshan…I stay at delhi , my water supply was also disturbed but I have no complaints….

    Yup I agree that elections are the best time….

    I agree that this should be achieved peacefully but if govt don’t pay any attention to us, What else can we do???
    Bhai Hak lena hain toh khoon bahan tai bhi tayar rehna chahiye , naa toh pade raho ghara rajai mein... ...!!!!

  8. #68
    I would reiterate my words which I said earlier. We clearly need to draw the line in our agigation... And my expectation at the bare minimum from fellow jatlanders is that we should give it a thought before we act like savages. There is a thumb rule "Don't treat others the way you don't want to be treated"
    Irrespective of whether how many jats are there in Delhi or not, to trouble people for any relevant or irrelevant demands is a sin. An extension of such act would slide into the category of terrorism. There is a clear difference of opinion among the jats on the issue of reservations, so how can the government decide so easily on this issue. If any other caste group comes up today and behaves the way we are, then should the govt. accept its demands for the same. Should the govt. accept the demands of islamic extremist, or the maoist. This approach of opportunism is not only troublesome but a huge embarassement for the whole jat community and to top it, some even people take pride in it. What is the point of achieving something at the cost of causing agony to the masses. Is this not selfishness and an act of cowardness??

    Quote Originally Posted by hemanthooda View Post
    Mor Sahab,

    Though I agree with the very soul behind your words…..I too agree that successful commonwealth games are important to India….If CWG fails it will hurt me as badly as you bro as an Indian….
    But I beg to differ from you that these protests were violent…
    Earlier on so many occasions when our brothers gave dharna’s & pardarshan’s , no one bothered to listen to us….This action of stopping water to delhi is just an sign to govt or you can say shaakti pardarshan…I stay at delhi , my water supply was also disturbed but I have no complaints….

    Yup I agree that elections are the best time….

    I agree that this should be achieved peacefully but if govt don’t pay any attention to us, What else can we do???
    Bhai Hak lena hain toh khoon bahan tai bhi tayar rehna chahiye , naa toh pade raho ghara rajai mein... ...!!!!
    Last edited by nitindev; June 15th, 2010 at 11:31 PM.

  9. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by atishmohan View Post
    haan upender teri baat sahi sain..humani cricket bhi nahi khelna chahiye..humnai football bhi nahi khelna chahiye...humnai olympics mai bhi nahi jana chahiye..humnai english nahi bolni chahiye...humme computer bhi use nahi karna chahiye...humme science bhi nahi padhni chahiye...
    क्यों भाई, जो देश ये सारे काम करते हैं, वे राष्ट्रमंडल देशों में शामिल होकर ही ऐसा कर सकते हैं क्या...अगर मेरा अंदाजा ठीक है तो आने वाला समय केवल और केवल भारत का है.

  10. #70
    For all so called educated Jats

    It is very disappointing to see the reactions of some of the so called educated Jats regarding reservation. Someone is saying that we should not stop water and commonwealth games because it will give a bad name to the community. Someone has expressed that we do not need a reservation. Someone has compared Jat agitation against extremism. Tikait is also criticizing this act. Even though he is the same Tikait who filled India gate with all kinds of Human waste and created hell around parliament.

    I would like to know from all the people who are criticizing the method of Jats agitation that why do always weak and poor has to be well Mannered, Cultured and Tolerant?

    “Hamesha garib aur kamzoor se hi kyun tehzeeb, imandari, wafadari aur sahansheelta ki ummeed ki jaati”. In a county like India where Rich is most corrupt, brutal and intolerant than why do we except our poor to be completely opposite.

    Jab ek kisan June ke mahine main dupahar ke ek baze khet main Lankh nikalta hai too uss ke andar se ek hi dua nikalti hai ke bhagwaan mere bête ya beti ko yeh kaam na karna pade. He sees reservation as a way to get his kids into Govt jobs and have a good life.

    To achieve this first he request to his leaders and govt. When nothing is done for years then he decides that if I can get sugar from the land than I can also get reservation from the govt. Our farmer is not educated and the only way he sees things to be done is by force because that what he does in the fields.

    20,000 people died in Bhopal but our Rich, educated and cultured politician gave a smooth exit to the culprit. Now if the family members of the people who died in the tragedy would do a agitation for justice, like stopping a water or stopping trains than all so called educated will start preaching them the code of conduct of our democracy and constitution.

    Vidroh aur Gaddaar hamesha hamare desh main hi kyun zyada hote hain. Uski ek wajah hai, kyonki vidroh aur gaddar ek khaas kism ke culture main peda hote hain. Jis country main govt aur citizens ke beech main doori badh jaati hai wahan gaddar aur vidroh peda hone lagte hain.

    I am great fan of democracy and believe in it, however the way our politicians have practiced democracy it has created a wide Gap between Govt and citizens. Today a normal citizen voice is not heard until he takes the violent path.

    Delhi main bethi govt ka paani kuch ghanton ke liye kya ruk gaya saare media ne bawal khada kar diya. Yahan tak ki hamare kuch educated Jaton ne bhi iska virodh kiya. Main unn sab logon se puchta hoon agar delhi sarkar ko paani ki chinta hai to usse delhi ke jad main bethe Jat nahin dikhte. Jinke kheton main paani nahin hai, jinke bacchon ka koi future nahin hai.

    Delhi ke logon ka paani ruk gaya badi pareshani ho gayee, jab inhi delhi ke logon ki azadi bachane ke liya Jat fauji sarhad per jaan deta hai tab inhe nahin dikhat ke faujion ke bacchon ka kya hoga.

    Jats are not born yesterday they have been living around Delhi for centuries. However our Govt couldn’t see it. Than tell me what options Jats have so that their voice can be heard.

    This agitation is the result of the complete failure of our Govt to understand the real problems of our people. Before organizing sports event they should resolve common people problems or else you are going to face problems.

    I do not need reservation neither my kids would need. However, I am supporting this for my brothers and sisters who live in villages. I see them working hard in fields day and night. I feel they work much harder and do more for the country than I do. It is ours and our Govt responsibility to help them being successful.

    Ek Hazoom aur kaum main kya farq hota hai. Kaum ke paas sapna hota hain aur Hazoom ke paas koi sapna nahin hota. My experience about Jat community is that majority of us have common dream for our community. Lekin hum main se kuch log aise bhi hain jo sirf Hazoom hain.

    Jaton ne apna mustakbil kudh banaya hai. Aaj Jat system ki wajah se kamyab nahin hain, balki corrupt system ke bawjood kamyab hain. Dono baton main bahut farq hai.

    If you cannot help than for god sake stay away.
    Last edited by rajoura; June 16th, 2010 at 04:12 AM.

  11. #71
    Quote Originally Posted by nitindev View Post
    [FONT=Tahoma]........... Jats have lost the balls to fight head on in competition in the open category and this is the level that we have drooped to. ..........
    Nitin, majority of Jats live in rural area where education facilities are rudimentary. How many rural Jats can pay fees in DPS type of schools? How many schools in rural area have library facilities? I wonder if you know how jobs are decided in India? I wonder if you know how state service commissions function in our country? Lesser said the better. Having seen first hand I can tell you almost with full authority that majority of posts are decided much before the interview. Not a single post of Vice Chancellor or director of any major institute in the country is filled on merit. How does one expect our rural boys and girls to compete??? Jats have the balls for straight fights and not for "Chalyudh or maya-yudh". Jats have to re-work their strategies if as a community we can survive and progress. I am not a castist. Having worked under all sorts of situations, I can tell with full conviction that Jats are not equipped to deal with present system where posts are filled through back door and where they do not have means for modern education.

    RK^2
    There are many paths leading to God, politics is certainly not one of them...

  12. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by bls31 View Post
    India is hosting the commonwealth games after it did Asiads in 1982. Last time it was Australia. It is an event that will be witnessed by a worldwide audience on TV live . It is a showcase of the face of Modern India. where there are more than bright chances of our athletes (Some Jats- Boxing - Wrestling) winning GOLD. Do we want to deprive them of this opportunity which will also prepare them for the forthcoming Olympics.And bring bad name to the country and sully its face world wide.

    It is the duty of all Indians to make the games a success, it is a question of prestige and of National pride that India can organize an event of such magnitude. BLS31
    Sir, no doubt, we should do everything possible to keep Indian flag flying very high. Like anyone I love my country. But let me pose few questions;

    1. One of our Jat daughter Seema Tomar won world silver medal in shooting. Did visual media cover her achievent? Did our president, PM or any of CM congratulated her? Any prize money for this rural girl from anyone?

    2. Now compare above with Bindras, Ranas and others. Politicians fell over each other to announce prize money. President invited them for dinners.

    I can quote loads of examples of Jat achievers who got hardly anything. Is it just a simple miss or prejudice against us?

    RK^2
    There are many paths leading to God, politics is certainly not one of them...

  13. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by nitindev View Post
    I would reiterate my words which I said earlier. We clearly need to draw the line in our agigation... And my expectation at the bare minimum from fellow jatlanders is that we should give it a thought before we act like savages. There is a thumb rule "Don't treat others the way you don't want to be treated"
    Irrespective of whether how many jats are there in Delhi or not, to trouble people for any relevant or irrelevant demands is a sin. An extension of such act would slide into the category of terrorism. There is a clear difference of opinion among the jats on the issue of reservations, so how can the government decide so easily on this issue. If any other caste group comes up today and behaves the way we are, then should the govt. accept its demands for the same. Should the govt. accept the demands of islamic extremist, or the maoist. This approach of opportunism is not only troublesome but a huge embarassement for the whole jat community and to top it, some even people take pride in it. What is the point of achieving something at the cost of causing agony to the masses. Is this not selfishness and an act of cowardness??

    1. What Jats should do to ensure that their kids in villages get same level of education as the kids of Babus and others in South Delhi?

    2. What should our farmers do when their sugar cane payments are held by mill owners for years?

    3. How should Jat boys and girls in villages study when there is no electricity in night?

    4. A jat boy from villages has to work many times over compared to his urban counterpart to achieve the same results. Is this called level playing?

    5. If reservation is a bad word, why reservation is given to business houses through selective coustom duty and duty breaks/tax breaks etc?

    6. If a trader can sell his goods anywhere in the world, why a farmer has to sell his sugarcane only to the designated sugar mill?

    RK^2
    There are many paths leading to God, politics is certainly not one of them...

  14. #74
    The voices are clear 'stop water, disconnect electricity, and disrupt traffic’: the consequences unfortunately are not.

    The Commonwealth Games have far too much of a momentum to be stopped by any agitation including the very real threats from Pakistan based terrorists to disrupt the games at this stage

    Such agitations are like the proverbial 'Gene of the bottle' easier to release but impossible to bottle back.

    The peaceful demonstration soon gets infiltrated by the lumpen and local criminal elements with their own agenda. In any case, such agitations, not being a disciplined and organized body, are difficult to manage in field by the leaders.

    Next to stop Rail and Road Traffic; Burn buses, set fire to the railway property, upturn parked cars, damage show rooms, loot shops, the agitation soon spins out of control gradually spread to urban and rural area.

    Leaders, forgetting that the state is not going to remain a silent spectator, the response would be swift, but gradual. State Police- Curfew- CRP-BSF and finally Army to do a flag march. In between, tear gas, lathi-caharge, a few rounds of bullets fired, some innocent, uneducated and unemployable agitated youths at the vanguard of the mob get killed and injured. Life is cheap: Rs One Lac, Ex Garcia for the dead and fifty thousand for the injured: little compensation to the waling, mothers, sisters and in-shock fathers, brothers and relations.
    In the mean time the Leumpens, possibly from a different religion and cast or no religion, would have had their fun, collected the loot made their mark would have vanished .

    Offers of talk till now rejected will be accepted, the Leaders, all the time at a safe distance, now invited as state guests to discuss the modalities of the settlement, talks prolonged over a period till tempers cool down and the agitation runs out of steam.

    It will all unroll like a film script. And to what avail ? A few Government Jobs and an OBC Tag, yes also a window for a few to corruption and illegal money , the main attraction of a government job..

  15. #75
    I can read between the lines but most people "don't want to", not that they can't..

    Quote Originally Posted by bls31 View Post
    The voices are clear 'stop water, disconnect electricity, and disrupt traffic’: the consequences unfortunately are not.

    The Commonwealth Games have far too much of a momentum to be stopped by any agitation including the very real threats from Pakistan based terrorists to disrupt the games at this stage

    Such agitations are like the proverbial 'Gene of the bottle' easier to release but impossible to bottle back.

    The peaceful demonstration soon gets infiltrated by the lumpen and local criminal elements with their own agenda. In any case, such agitations, not being a disciplined and organized body, are difficult to manage in field by the leaders.

    Next to stop Rail and Road Traffic; Burn buses, set fire to the railway property, upturn parked cars, damage show rooms, loot shops, the agitation soon spins out of control gradually spread to urban and rural area.

    Leaders, forgetting that the state is not going to remain a silent spectator, the response would be swift, but gradual. State Police- Curfew- CRP-BSF and finally Army to do a flag march. In between, tear gas, lathi-caharge, a few rounds of bullets fired, some innocent, uneducated and unemployable agitated youths at the vanguard of the mob get killed and injured. Life is cheap: Rs One Lac, Ex Garcia for the dead and fifty thousand for the injured: little compensation to the waling, mothers, sisters and in-shock fathers, brothers and relations.
    In the mean time the Leumpens, possibly from a different religion and cast or no religion, would have had their fun, collected the loot made their mark would have vanished .

    Offers of talk till now rejected will be accepted, the Leaders, all the time at a safe distance, now invited as state guests to discuss the modalities of the settlement, talks prolonged over a period till tempers cool down and the agitation runs out of steam.

    It will all unroll like a film script. And to what avail ? A few Government Jobs and an OBC Tag, yes also a window for a few to corruption and illegal money , the main attraction of a government job..

  16. #76
    Please care to answer my curiosities below....

    Quote Originally Posted by rkumar View Post
    Sir, no doubt, we should do everything possible to keep Indian flag flying very high. Like anyone I love my country. But let me pose few questions;

    1. One of our Jat daughter Seema Tomar won world silver medal in shooting. Did visual media cover her achievent? Did our president, PM or any of CM congratulated her? Any prize money for this rural girl from anyone? sir ये तो बता दीजिए, कौनसी प्रतियोगिता थी? और हो सके तो ये भी बता दीजिए की कौन सी जाट महासभा या हरियाणा के मुख्य मंत्री ने उसको कोई इनाम दिया हो या सरहना की हो?

    2. Now compare above with Bindras, Ranas and others. Politicians fell over each other to announce prize money. President invited them for dinners. Now please answer answer my question. Can the otherwise be achieved through reservation.

    I can quote loads of examples of Jat achievers who got hardly anything. Is it just a simple miss or prejudice against us? Sometimes I wonder whether I was raised in a different world? "Prejudice"...????????

    RK^2

  17. #77
    Sir, should we not be fighting for better schooling at the elementary level rather than for few positions, which at all, would benefit not more than a fraction of our community. Did Jats agitate against Mayawati's insolent expense on the propoganda of herself and her party with our public money. I am sure with that amount tremendous opportunities could have been produced and better education could have been provided. Also, do you mean to say that you agree with the present approach of our agitation, to hold "our" citizens hostages and make an extortion demand.. Well, then we are later in the queue. Islamic terrorists, maoists, naxalitists are far ahead of us..

    Quote Originally Posted by rkumar View Post
    Nitin, majority of Jats live in rural area where education facilities are rudimentary. How many rural Jats can pay fees in DPS type of schools? How many schools in rural area have library facilities? I wonder if you know how jobs are decided in India? I wonder if you know how state service commissions function in our country? Lesser said the better. Having seen first hand I can tell you almost with full authority that majority of posts are decided much before the interview. Not a single post of Vice Chancellor or director of any major institute in the country is filled on merit. How does one expect our rural boys and girls to compete??? Jats have the balls for straight fights and not for "Chalyudh or maya-yudh". Jats have to re-work their strategies if as a community we can survive and progress. I am not a castist. Having worked under all sorts of situations, I can tell with full conviction that Jats are not equipped to deal with present system where posts are filled through back door and where they do not have means for modern education.

    RK^2
    Last edited by nitindev; June 16th, 2010 at 07:21 PM.

  18. #78
    please have a look below

    Quote Originally Posted by rkumar View Post
    1. What Jats should do to ensure that their kids in villages get same level of education as the kids of Babus and others in South Delhi? Fight/demand for the right to education or for the reservation on economic (not castism) grounds for "all"


    2. What should our farmers do when their sugar cane payments are held by mill owners for years? Would there be a reservation to get early payments??
    3. How should Jat boys and girls in villages study when there is no electricity in night? Is there no electricity only in jat villages or elsewhere also. Again would reservation get the electricity to such schools? I don't think so. I say, it would get more incompetent people into our system who would not be able to take the best decisions to improve infrastructure.
    4. A jat boy from villages has to work many times over compared to his urban counterpart to achieve the same results. Is this called level playing? Sirji, this is not castism, it is the difference because of the economic development. US children have many times more opportunites than any average indian educated youth. They get better paid being undergrads than an Indian Sudent who did his masters from US.

    5. If reservation is a bad word, why reservation is given to business houses through selective coustom duty and duty breaks/tax breaks etc? I wonder whether this comes under reservation. It is economic policy.

    6. If a trader can sell his goods anywhere in the world, why a farmer has to sell his sugarcane only to the designated sugar mill? Will reservation open the international market for him or get him better rates? Or else you meant that all those who dont get paid will end up getting high paying jobs through reservation



    Sir, I have read your posts earlier but somehow, posts under this forum doesnt accord with what I understand of you....There is a disconnect


    RK^2
    Last edited by nitindev; June 16th, 2010 at 11:22 AM.

  19. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by rkumar View Post
    Sir, no doubt, we should do everything possible to keep Indian flag flying very high. Like anyone I love my country. But let me pose few questions;

    1. One of our Jat daughter Seema Tomar won world silver medal in shooting. Did visual media cover her achievent? Did our president, PM or any of CM congratulated her? Any prize money for this rural girl from anyone?

    2. Now compare above with Bindras, Ranas and others. Politicians fell over each other to announce prize money. President invited them for dinners.

    I can quote loads of examples of Jat achievers who got hardly anything. Is it just a simple miss or prejudice against us?

    RK^2
    I agree with you, word by word.

    Spoiling a prestigious and international event, damaging the public properties and the infrastructure (which we are already lacking) and troubling the innocent civilians would earn a lot of respect for Jats.

    Moreover, Reservation would fix all the problem. Our Jat athletes would win more gold medals.

    Lets make life hell for the civilians in that area so that they would start to beg for mercy from great Jat warriors.
    It's better to be alone than in a bad company.

  20. #80
    Quote Originally Posted by nitindev View Post
    It is actually amazing to see so many people agreeing selfishly with such arrogant and anti-social jat acts. When any other community does such a thing then we start pointing fingers and now we are following the same path. Jats are no more fighters, because now we are fighting in the shield of common citizens of India. And for what??? Reservation.. It is hilarious and as well as shameful. Well for the proponents of reservation I have a suggestion. If this blackmail doesn’t work then please form a terror organization and target innocent people. Why not hold the commonwealth athletes hostages? Those who are agreeing with such anti-social acts of holding the public at ransom, you have no rights to criticize maoists, islamic terrorist or Hindu extremist. Jats have lost the balls to fight head on in competition in the open category and this is the level that we have drooped to. India was fortunate to host Commonwealth games this time and instead of supporting out government to make it a success, we are doing everything to embarass our nation on the world stage.
    जाट हारा नहीं कभी रण में तीर तोप तलवारों से ,
    जाट तो हारा हैं , गद्दारों से दरबारों से |"
    In "Siyar" aur "Giddo" se JAT Community ko bach kar rehena chaiye. JAT Arakshan mein koi aur sarkar itna khilaf nahi hogi jitney yeh jat community ke "Siyaar" aur "Gidd". yehi hey woh JAT community ke asli "JAYCHAND"

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