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    Mother India and the Jat society

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    The story of Mother India

    Archaeological finds from India give us glimpses of a culture uniquely at ease with itself, argues Susan Huntington

    Susan Huntington

    guardian.co.uk, Friday 12 November 2010 12.00 GMT

    http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/...Buddha-006.jpg Buddhist worshiper at a reclining Buddha statue in the Chaitya hall, or prayer hall, in Cave 26 at the Ajanta Caves in India Photograph: © Richard T. Nowitz/Corbis

    More than four millennia have passed since the many artefacts of the ancient Indus civilisation were fashioned. Yet one tiny sculpture, made by an unknown artist, still seems strikingly relevant to us today. The seal shows a seated figure on a low platform in a pose that is familiar to modern practitioners of yoga and meditation: the knees spread to the sides with the feet touching, and the arms stretch from the shoulders away from the body with the fingertips resting on the knees. Assuming the symmetrical and balanced form of a triangle, the body of the adept thus posed can endure lengthy sessions of yoga and meditation without needing to shift.

    The word yoga means "to unite" and ancient yoga was intended to prepare the body for meditation through which the individual would seek to understand his or her oneness with the totality of the universe. Once this understanding was complete, people could no more hurt another living being than themselves. Today, such practices are routinely prescribed to complement western medical and psychotherapy treatments. Among the documented benefits of yoga and its corollary, meditation, are lowered blood pressure, greater mental acuity and stress reduction.

    To the ancients who developed and perfected these mentally and physically challenging methods, however, yoga and meditation were tools for finding inner peace and a harmonious existence. Once you look closely, plenty more evidence points to the non-violent, peaceful nature of these early peoples. For example, the archaeological remains of the cities and towns of the Indus civilisation during its florescence from c2300-1750BC show little if any indication of internal dissent, criminality, or even the threat of war and conflict from the outside. There are no known fortifications, nor is there proof of ransacking and pillaging.

    There is also an emphasis on citizenship rather than a ruling elite in this period. Indeed, archaeological evidence suggests there was, in fact, no hereditary ruler – such as a king or other monarch – that amassed and controlled the wealth of the society. Thus, in contrast to the other ancient civilisations of the world, whose vast architectural and artistic undertakings, such as tombs and large-scale sculptures, served the wealthy and powerful, the Indus civilisation leaves nothing in the way of such monuments. Instead, government programmes and financial resources seem to have been directed towards the organisation of a society that benefited its citizens.

    Another feature that sets the ancient Indus culture apart from other early civilisations is the prominent role played by women. Among the artefacts we have been able to unearth are thousands of ceramic sculptures representing women, sometimes interpreted as goddesses, and, specifically, mother goddesses. This is a core element in the major religious developments of India, which are populated with goddesses – some supreme and others whose role is to complement male deities who would otherwise be incomplete or even powerless. It is thus hardly surprising that the symbol chosen for the nationalistic independence movement of the early 20th century and the establishment of India's modern democracy was Bharat Mata – that is, Mother India.

    Cradle of faiths

    The area's first ancient culture, the Indus or Harappan civilisation, was at its peak centred in what is now Pakistan in the northwestern reaches of south Asia. It stretched southward for a thousand miles along the western coastal areas of India. It eventually disappeared around 1750BC, because of a combination of natural and human factors. Earthquakes in the high Himalayas may have changed the course of the rivers that provided life-sustaining agricultural irrigation, leading to the abandonment of cities and towns and relocation elsewhere. In addition, the ancient inhabitants, unaware of the need to replant as they cut down trees to use for building and fuel, deforested the region, thus contributing to its transformation into the desert of today.

    http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/...ohenjo-001.jpg Ceramic figure of a woman from the Indus civilisation Photograph: British Musuem

    The period that followed the Indus civilisation from c1750BC to the third century BC has left a spotty material record. But we know it was in this time that some of the most important principles of Indic civilisation appeared. Some of these precepts come from the Indus culture, but other ideas arrived in India from the outside, such as with the nomadic, Indo-European Aryans from central Asia.

    Perhaps the most important figure to emerge in this period was the historical Buddha, born Siddhartha Gautama in the Ganges river region of northern India in the sixth century BC. Attaining perfect knowledge at the age of 36, after a quest that involved ascetic and meditational practices, the Buddha taught what is known as the Middle Way, advocating the abandonment of both extreme asceticism and extreme luxury. The Buddha also taught that all living beings have the capacity to transform themselves from an ignorant, self-centred state to one that embodies unqualified goodwill and generosity. Enlightenment was a matter of personal responsibility: every person had to develop wisely directed compassion for all living beings along with perfect knowledge of their role in the universe.

    It's important to note that the historical Buddha is not considered a divine being and his followers do not worship him – rather, they revere and honour him through their practices. In art, he is shown as a human, not a superhuman being. Because there is no all-powerful central deity in Buddhism, the religion is easily compatible with other traditions and there are many people throughout the world today who combine Buddhism with another faith.

    Jainism

    A contemporary of Buddha was Mahavira: the 24th in a line of perfected human beings known as jinas, or victors, and a major figure in the Jain religion. Like the Buddha, Mahavira is not considered a god but an exemplar to his followers. When depicted in art, he and the other 24 jinas appear as highly perfected humans.

    Unlike Buddhism and Jainism, India's third major indigenous religion, Hinduism, did not have a human teacher to whom the beliefs and practices of the tradition may be traced. Instead, it is centred around devotion to specific deities, both supreme and minor, who are numbered among a vast pantheon of gods and goddesses. Shiva destroys the universe with his cosmic dance when it has deteriorated to the degree that it needs to be reborn; Vishnu is the protector and preserver of the world as it struggles to maintain stasis. Archaeological evidence for Hinduism appears later in India's material record than those of Buddhism and Jainism, and stone and metal artefacts portraying the host of deities are rare before the fifth century AD.

    All three of these Indic religions share the belief that every living being is subject to a cycle of birth and rebirth over countless aeons. Known as samsara, this cycle of transmigration is not limited to humans but includes all sentient beings. The form one will take in a future birth is determined by one's karma – a term that in modern parlance has come to mean little more than "luck", but the original Indic use of the word specifically refers to one's actions, which are the result of choice, not chance. The escape from samsara, called nirvana by Buddhists and moksa by Hindus and Jains, is the ultimate goal of each of the three religious traditions, and all human activity should, ideally, be directed towards improving one's karma to achieve this end.

    Although today we assign different names to these three religious traditions, in many ways they are considered different paths, or margs, toward a similar objective. Within Indic culture, and indeed even within families, individuals have been free to choose their own marg, and we have no evidence of religious conflict among these traditions.

    Greece meets India

    Around the third century BC, a mix of internal cultural evolution and stimulating contact with ancient western Asia and the Mediterranean worlds brought change to the Indic regions. The arrival of Alexander the Great in the northwestern region of south Asia in 327BC, and the collapse of the ancient Persian Empire, introduced new ideas – including the development of the concept of kingship, and technologies such as the tools and knowledge necessary for large-scale stone carving. Had Alexander succeeded in conquering the Indian subcontinent – mutiny and fatigue among his troops is said to have caused a retreat – one can only imagine how Indian history might have evolved. As it stands, his legacy is mainly cultural, not political, as the pathways across western Asia that he forged remained open for trade and economic exchange for centuries after his death.

    http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/...auriya-001.jpg  Ashoka pillar at Lauriya Nandangarh Photograph: British Library Board


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    One thing to pass through this gateway was a system of rule by kingship, which took hold of northern India in the rich lands fertilised by the life-giving Ganges river. The most renowned of India's first kings was Ashoka, who even today is admired by India's leaders as a paradigm of the benevolent ruler. After years engaged in waging war to aggrandise his empire, Ashoka, having seen some 150,000 people carried away as captives, 100,000 more slain, and many more dead after his final conquest, was struck with remorse at the suffering he had caused. Converting to Buddhism, Ashoka spent the remainder of his life in righteous, peaceful activities. His benevolent kingship was adopted as a model throughout Asia as Buddhism moved beyond its Indic homeland. The set of four lions portrayed on one of his most famous monuments – the stone pillar he erected at Sarnath, where the Buddha taught his first sermon – has become a ubiquitous symbol of India's modern democracy, and is used on coins, stamps, government stationery, and elsewhere to laud the modern nation's roots in enlightened rulership.


    Legacy

    As suggested by the artefacts that have survived and what we know about the religious and philosophical beliefs of the people, the period 2500BC-AD500 in ancient India was one of extraordinary cultural brilliance, with innovations and traditions that still leave their mark on the world today. Furthermore, the cultural continuity between India's past and present is unmatched in the other regions of the world. The modern societies in Egypt, Mesopotamia, Greece, Rome, the Americas and China for the most part bear little resemblance to their ancient counterparts. Indeed, what is striking from an overview of the early phases of India's long and rich cultural development is the fact that so many of the features in evidence through the material record have had a persistent and lasting effect on Indic society and the world.

    Ancient India's legacy in the fields of science and mathematics is significant. Mathematics was important to the layout of religious buildings and the philosophical comprehension of the cosmos. The fifth century AD astronomer and mathematician Aryabhata is credited with originating the modern decimal system, which is predicated on an understanding of the concept of zero. Evidence of the Indic origin of the idea of zero, including the use of a small circle to denote the numeral, is found in Sanskrit texts and inscriptions.

    Science of life

    Another cultural legacy is an ancient branch of medicine known as Ayurveda, still widely practiced in India today. It has also gained popularity in the western world as a "complementary" medicine. Translating literally as "science of life", it conceives basic principles for human health and points to physical and mental balance as the means to wellbeing.

    Perhaps ancient India's most lasting legacy is the belief in non-harm to living beings – a centrepiece of Buddhism, Jainism and Hinduism – which was transformed into the passive resistance advocated by Mahatma Gandhi during India's early 20th century struggle for independence from British rule. After Gandhi, many other modern luminaries have been guided by the principle of non-violence in their quests for social justice, most famously Reverend Martin Luther King, who spearheaded the struggle for racial equality in the US during the 1960s. In his autobiography, King notes that "Gandhi was the guiding light of our technique of non-violent social change" during the bus boycott in 1956 that ended Alabama's transport segregation on the city's buses. John F. Kennedy, Nelson Mandela and Barack Obama have also claimed inspiration from Mahatma Gandhi and the ancient Indian principle of non-harm, and the Indic compassion towards all living beings and the corresponding non-violent stance has been adopted by groups that advocate vegetarianism, animal welfare and environmental activism. Perhaps there is no greater compliment that can be paid to India's ancient culture than the fact that its sophisticated beliefs and reverence for life can serve as guideposts to the world today.Â

    Susan L Huntington is professor in art history at Ohio State University. Among other books, she is the author of the Art of Ancient India (Weatherhill)

    http://www.guardian.co.uk/culture/20...ld-india/print

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    My comments:


    Professor Huntington writes:

    There is also an emphasis on citizenship rather than ruling elite in this period. Indeed, archaeological evidence suggests there was, in fact, no hereditary ruler –such as a king or other monarch –that amassed and controlled the wealth of the society. Thus, in contrast to the other ancient civilizations of the world, whose vast architectural and artistic undertakings, such as tombs and large-scale sculptures, served the wealthy and powerful, the Indus civilisation leaves nothing in the way of such monuments. Instead, government programmers and financial resources seem to have been directed towards the organisation of a society that benefited its citizens.”

    Professor Huntington has correctly touched on the concept of direct democracy, which was prevalent then, 5000 years ago, and has come down through the ages to modern India.

    The love for democracy in obvious in the Indian psyche. Feudal rule was an aberration.

    The ‘direct democracy’ is alluded to in the ‘panchayat rule’ which is still prevalent today.

    Direct democracy of the republic was more prevalent than the ‘kingship’ model.

    The confusion arises as the term ‘Raja’ is thought to mean ‘King’, but the actual meaning is ‘leader’. Even the heads of households were known as ‘Rajanya’ and they elected the ‘Raja,

    It is correct that at times a kingship model developed, as in the medieval ‘Rajput states’ or the Islamic Mughal empire’. It should be kept in mind that as soon as the veneer of feudalism was scratched, what was found below was a Republican society, governed directly by the people with direct vote. The goal being consensus rather than a simple majority vote.

    They elected the ‘Raja’, who has no permanence. The Panchayat ruled.

    Democracy is the form of the Westminster model , has severe limitations. The first being that as soon a s the leader is elected, he loses the need to represent the people, and can concentrate on the trappings of power. This model furthers feudalism under the veneer of democracy.

    The Indian example is a good one: as soon as a MP or party is elected, they have got hold of the purse strings, with the concomitant problems or corruption are only starting...

    The conflict between the Westminster model and the direct democracy model can be seen in the current protests and the meetings of the Khap Panchayats of North India. These republics existed in parallel to the ‘central rule’ of the Mughals or the British, and have existed from time immemorial

    As some know I take a great interest n this area. It was these Republican societies that kept the Islamic empire at bay, and preserved our way of life. The Mughals were stuck in the cities or their cantonments, they could make headway where there writ of the Khap prevailed,

    It is no accident .that the capital of the Mughals was shifted from Agra to Delhi only when they felt strong enough to do so, a few generations later. Akbar had signed a treaty of non interference with the Jat Khaps of North India.

    A noteworthy feature is, that in these areas here these Republican Khaps existed, there are very few grand monuments, be they tombs, temples, or buildings, and the ones that exist have been created by the odd feudalist ruler- Red Fort, Humayun’s tomb, Jama Masjid etc. We find an egalitarian society, no great disparity if wealth. Just the kind of society Professor Huntington found in Vedic times n the Indus valley.

    The recent visit of President Obama underscores this. Faced with need to show the President being of Indian architecture all the leaders elected under the Westminster model could come up with was Mausoleum of an Islamic invader. There were no great monuments arising out of republican stream as the people in the Panchayat would not have easily agreed to divert the labour and wealth to create a monument that did nothing to improve their daily lives. The society’s resources were better spent of works of irrigation, schools, Ashrams.

    The Republican movement is seeing a revival today, as the people in rural areas are saying ‘NO” to the expropriation of their lands and means of livelihood and their way of life.

    Will these movements succeed? Time will tell. What is clear is that the grassroots Indians love for direct democracy has not been extinguished.

    Ravi Chaudhary
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    Quote Originally Posted by ravichaudhary View Post
    My comments:


    Professor Huntington writes:

    There is also an emphasis on citizenship rather than ruling elite in this period. Indeed, archaeological evidence suggests there was, in fact, no hereditary ruler –such as a king or other monarch –that amassed and controlled the wealth of the society. Thus, in contrast to the other ancient civilizations of the world, whose vast architectural and artistic undertakings, such as tombs and large-scale sculptures, served the wealthy and powerful, the Indus civilisation leaves nothing in the way of such monuments. Instead, government programmers and financial resources seem to have been directed towards the organisation of a society that benefited its citizens.”

    Professor Huntington has correctly touched on the concept of direct democracy, which was prevalent then, 5000 years ago, and has come down through the ages to modern India.

    The love for democracy in obvious in the Indian psyche. Feudal rule was an aberration.

    The ‘direct democracy’ is alluded to in the ‘panchayat rule’ which is still prevalent today.

    Direct democracy of the republic was more prevalent than the ‘kingship’ model.

    The confusion arises as the term ‘Raja’ is thought to mean ‘King’, but the actual meaning is ‘leader’. Even the heads of households were known as ‘Rajanya’ and they elected the ‘Raja,

    It is correct that at times a kingship model developed, as in the medieval ‘Rajput states’ or the Islamic Mughal empire’. It should be kept in mind that as soon as the veneer of feudalism was scratched, what was found below was a Republican society, governed directly by the people with direct vote. The goal being consensus rather than a simple majority vote.

    They elected the ‘Raja’, who has no permanence. The Panchayat ruled.

    Democracy is the form of the Westminster model , has severe limitations. The first being that as soon a s the leader is elected, he loses the need to represent the people, and can concentrate on the trappings of power. This model furthers feudalism under the veneer of democracy.

    The Indian example is a good one: as soon as a MP or party is elected, they have got hold of the purse strings, with the concomitant problems or corruption are only starting...

    The conflict between the Westminster model and the direct democracy model can be seen in the current protests and the meetings of the Khap Panchayats of North India. These republics existed in parallel to the ‘central rule’ of the Mughals or the British, and have existed from time immemorial

    As some know I take a great interest n this area. It was these Republican societies that kept the Islamic empire at bay, and preserved our way of life. The Mughals were stuck in the cities or their cantonments, they could make headway where there writ of the Khap prevailed,

    It is no accident .that the capital of the Mughals was shifted from Agra to Delhi only when they felt strong enough to do so, a few generations later. Akbar had signed a treaty of non interference with the Jat Khaps of North India.

    A noteworthy feature is, that in these areas here these Republican Khaps existed, there are very few grand monuments, be they tombs, temples, or buildings, and the ones that exist have been created by the odd feudalist ruler- Red Fort, Humayun’s tomb, Jama Masjid etc. We find an egalitarian society, no great disparity if wealth. Just the kind of society Professor Huntington found in Vedic times n the Indus valley.

    The recent visit of President Obama underscores this. Faced with need to show the President being of Indian architecture all the leaders elected under the Westminster model could come up with was Mausoleum of an Islamic invader. There were no great monuments arising out of republican stream as the people in the Panchayat would not have easily agreed to divert the labour and wealth to create a monument that did nothing to improve their daily lives. The society’s resources were better spent of works of irrigation, schools, Ashrams.

    The Republican movement is seeing a revival today, as the people in rural areas are saying ‘NO” to the expropriation of their lands and means of livelihood and their way of life.

    Will these movements succeed? Time will tell. What is clear is that the grassroots Indians love for direct democracy has not been extinguished.

    Ravi Chaudhary
    Ravi jee - it was interesting to read the difference between democracy and direct democracy and the absence of grand monuments wherever the Panchayat system was strong. Thank you!

    Regards,

    Urmila.
    Attention seekers and attention getters are two different class of people.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ravichaudhary View Post
    My comments:


    Professor Huntington writes:

    There is also an emphasis on citizenship rather than ruling elite in this period. Indeed, archaeological evidence suggests there was, in fact, no hereditary ruler –such as a king or other monarch –that amassed and controlled the wealth of the society. Thus, in contrast to the other ancient civilizations of the world, whose vast architectural and artistic undertakings, such as tombs and large-scale sculptures, served the wealthy and powerful, the Indus civilisation leaves nothing in the way of such monuments. Instead, government programmers and financial resources seem to have been directed towards the organisation of a society that benefited its citizens.”

    Professor Huntington has correctly touched on the concept of direct democracy, which was prevalent then, 5000 years ago, and has come down through the ages to modern India.

    The love for democracy in obvious in the Indian psyche. Feudal rule was an aberration.

    The ‘direct democracy’ is alluded to in the ‘panchayat rule’ which is still prevalent today.

    Direct democracy of the republic was more prevalent than the ‘kingship’ model.

    The confusion arises as the term ‘Raja’ is thought to mean ‘King’, but the actual meaning is ‘leader’. Even the heads of households were known as ‘Rajanya’ and they elected the ‘Raja,

    It is correct that at times a kingship model developed, as in the medieval ‘Rajput states’ or the Islamic Mughal empire’. It should be kept in mind that as soon as the veneer of feudalism was scratched, what was found below was a Republican society, governed directly by the people with direct vote. The goal being consensus rather than a simple majority vote.

    They elected the ‘Raja’, who has no permanence. The Panchayat ruled.

    Democracy is the form of the Westminster model , has severe limitations. The first being that as soon a s the leader is elected, he loses the need to represent the people, and can concentrate on the trappings of power. This model furthers feudalism under the veneer of democracy.

    The Indian example is a good one: as soon as a MP or party is elected, they have got hold of the purse strings, with the concomitant problems or corruption are only starting...

    The conflict between the Westminster model and the direct democracy model can be seen in the current protests and the meetings of the Khap Panchayats of North India. These republics existed in parallel to the ‘central rule’ of the Mughals or the British, and have existed from time immemorial

    As some know I take a great interest n this area. It was these Republican societies that kept the Islamic empire at bay, and preserved our way of life. The Mughals were stuck in the cities or their cantonments, they could make headway where there writ of the Khap prevailed,

    It is no accident .that the capital of the Mughals was shifted from Agra to Delhi only when they felt strong enough to do so, a few generations later. Akbar had signed a treaty of non interference with the Jat Khaps of North India.

    A noteworthy feature is, that in these areas here these Republican Khaps existed, there are very few grand monuments, be they tombs, temples, or buildings, and the ones that exist have been created by the odd feudalist ruler- Red Fort, Humayun’s tomb, Jama Masjid etc. We find an egalitarian society, no great disparity if wealth. Just the kind of society Professor Huntington found in Vedic times n the Indus valley.

    The recent visit of President Obama underscores this. Faced with need to show the President being of Indian architecture all the leaders elected under the Westminster model could come up with was Mausoleum of an Islamic invader. There were no great monuments arising out of republican stream as the people in the Panchayat would not have easily agreed to divert the labour and wealth to create a monument that did nothing to improve their daily lives. The society’s resources were better spent of works of irrigation, schools, Ashrams.

    The Republican movement is seeing a revival today, as the people in rural areas are saying ‘NO” to the expropriation of their lands and means of livelihood and their way of life.

    Will these movements succeed? Time will tell. What is clear is that the grassroots Indians love for direct democracy has not been extinguished.

    Ravi Chaudhary
    Respected Ravi ji,

    You deserve our thanks for this fine piece of writing giving insight into the working of Panch-Parmeshwar system in the rural India through the ages. We are optimistic and hope that the golden era of 'direct democracy' will usher in our country as in recent years the grass root level institutions like panchayats have been empowered to certain level. The need of the hour is to further educate the masses so that they could decide the local affairs in true spirit of democratic traditions and come forward to demand more participation in running the affairs of the country in future.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    Respected Ravi ji,

    You deserve our thanks for this fine piece of writing giving insight into the working of Panch-Parmeshwar system in the rural India through the ages. We are optimistic and hope that the golden era of 'direct democracy' will usher in our country as in recent years the grass root level institutions like panchayats have been empowered to certain level. The need of the hour is to further educate the masses so that they could decide the local affairs in true spirit of democratic traditions and come forward to demand more participation in running the affairs of the country in future.

    In the direct democracy, the power of decision-making used to vest with a few vigilantes of society and the poor and downtrodden were deprived of the golden privilege of expressing themselves through a secret ballot, which is offered by the modern day democracy. It is a different thing that people have yet to come out of their servile mentality and learn how to use this rare tool in their hands. During the era of 'much revered' direct democracy or dictatorship of a handful of people from bigger khaps for that matter, the lower strata of society were nothing more than slaves surviving on the tender mercy of higher echelons of society. The remnants of that mentality still prevail in parts of Jat hinterland getting reflected through some write-ups on this site as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vpsingh View Post
    In the direct democracy, the power of decision-making used to vest with a few vigilantes of society and the poor and downtrodden were deprived of the golden privilege of expressing themselves through a secret ballot, which is offered by the modern day democracy. It is a different thing that people have yet to come out of their servile mentality and learn how to use this rare tool in their hands. During the era of 'much revered' direct democracy or dictatorship of a handful of people from bigger khaps for that matter, the lower strata of society were nothing more than slaves surviving on the tender mercy of higher echelons of society. The remnants of that mentality still prevail in parts of Jat hinterland getting reflected through some write-ups on this site as well.
    Direct democracy can't be compared to dictatorship. In essence, it means that you are involved in the decision making that affects you. For me, it is the most ideal form of democracy, atleast in theory. However, to make it work for a large population is a practical issue.

    The current Indian system is representative, where you elect some people and all power resides with them. It is opposite of direct democracy - and it could be argued that given the lack of real choices available to the masses, there is a big disconnect between their aspirations and what the representatives deliver. Some elements of direct democracy would be beneficial.

    I am not sure if the ancient systems were a form of "direct democracy" - I doubt there existed any election. Nevertheless, it can be reasonably argued that in a system where you know your representative closely, there is a much greater chance of the representative taking into account your interests / views. So a panchayat system at a village level is in principle more representative than the election for legislatures, where the representatives are so far removed from the masses so as to become de-facto modern-day rulers. The former may be more democratic (read as will of people) even without elections, while the latter may be more dictatorial (read as writ of the ruler) despite elections.

    Ancient India did have village republics that preceded the big empires like Magadha. One can only imagine how the system worked, but taken at face value, it does appear to be a more equal and egalitarian system than the later day kingdoms and empires. The current nation states are an extension of the erstwhile kingdoms and empires. The principles of democracy, liberty, justice and equality are fine and much better than the writ of a king - but to achieve these goals in practise, we need more "direct democracy" at the grassroots level.

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    Friends,

    Very sober discussion on the issue in many of the articles shows that JL contributors are really interested in intellectual interactions among themselves, which, in turn, is a sign of democratic bent up of the Jat mind. Keep up please.

    Thanks

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