A question to moderators and fellow members......

[sunitahooda]

Though after Satyeshwar’s reply my input is not at all required , since I wrote that I’ll reply, I’m replying keeping in mind that I may not stop writing as a member. My membership here on JL is longer than that of an editor and is very much cherished too J whether fellow members liked my presence or not. Same might be the case about other members too.
Members have objection in my contribution as a moderator? here I’ve a question to ask all who ever has an objection- Does a moderator’s mind stop working/ thinking/ Imagining/feeling/ analyzing/conceptualizing/reasoning immediately after He/ She is given this responsibility? Why I as a Moderator should be restricted from freedom of expression? Trust me I’m way too busy for posting and visit for the sole purpose of editing but some topics are so enticing that my writer’s soul doesn’t have a control, suggest what should I do? I’m still a member just as all of you are. Suggestions are always welcome.
My views must have been off sync to yours or vice versa but that’s how I AM, have been and WILL BE. I can’t pretend to be somebody completely different just because I’m an editor now. My views on the controversial threads are “Same as yours” who are against GLBT, BUT only difference is that I’ve learnt to give respect to Individual choices. I’ve become more accommodating and transformed to an extent that these things prevalent in society may put me off but doesn’t upset me to a great degree as it used to do or as it upsets all of you. “What change can we bring” apart from thinking and exclaim “Thank God we are NOT ONE OF THEM?” How many GLBT have you known and counseled them to take a path as you are on, Have you ever marched on roads with black flags opposing these new formed dimensions of relationships? We can JUST WORRY, show our concern, be heroic and idealistic and put off the members taking active part in discussion ONLY HERE on JATLAND.
It’s a human nature that we start fitting our self in situations or roles being discussed, I feel same is happening with the discussion in those threads. It’s just a DISCUSSION like any other topic and not an implication of those roles people are playing. We can either agree or disagree amicably, why members are showing such a strong opposition? We can’t change what’s happening, change is inevitable. There’s a limit to which things and situations are under our control and same is the case with society, relationships too. How long can we impose our likes/ dislikes on others? If we can’t change then why should others change for us? Give it a thought-How many times you have changed yourself for your neighbors/ relatives/ friends? Comfort/ choice in relationship is same as choosing a commodity/gizmo, people choose what they like, No matter how disgusting it may seem to us.
A question to Anjoo- How long you can keep your garbage in your house, ultimately the garbage has to be thrown out to be recycled, isn’t it? Something seemingly garbage to us can be useful to others and vice versa. Your perspective or choice of relationships can be garbage to GLBT.

Bishan Ji aapne ye likha-“singh sahb apne vicharo or mood se apne ghar chala karte hain....ye duniya nahi chalti.......ye duniya aur samaj... samaj ke dwara banaye niyamo se chalta hai....and i believe that freedom of expression is good till than it doesn't interfere or harm some one else territory” Kya aapke inn vicharon se duniya badli aaj tak? Kripya aap batayein ke kya smaaj ke niyam badaltey nahi aaye hain? Jahan pahle rishtey kartey waqt 4-5 gaut bachaya kartey the wahan ab sirf 3 hi bachatey hain? To puraney niyamo ke hisab se aap inn nayi shadiyon ko kya naam dengey? Pahle ghar ki bahu ghunghat mein rehti thi ab ki ladkiya bina dupatta liye, jeans-top pahan ke ghoomti hain sasural mein kya who bhi loose charcter hain?…inn ladkiyon ko aap kya kaheingey? Ye niyam kyu badal diye iss samaj ney? Aapney durust farmaya ke apne vicharo or mood se apne ghar chala kartey hain- kyunki duniya badalti aayi hai aur badalti rahegi, hamarey aap jaise log agar yahan ek portal pe chinta prakat kartey raheingey to bhi kuchh rukega nahi…jisko badalna hai wo jarur badlega chahe hum unko loose character boley/ charitraheen/ garbage boley.
Ek baat samjh nahi aati ki agar koyi bhi member league se hat kar kuchh likh deta hai thodi si sankeern mansikta ke khilaf likhey to aap log baat uski wife/ family tak kyu le jatey hain? Ke aapka sasural kahan hai? Aapke bachhon aur wife ney Jatland join kiya hua hai ya nahi? Agar mai 15-20-30 website ki member hoon to kya mere mata-pita/ bhai-bahan/ pati aur bachhon ki haziri yahan-wahan lagwana jaruri hai kya? Kitni mahila members hain jo pati ke kaam pe jane k baad sara din yahoo/g-mail/hotmail pe chat karti hain, kyunki who free hain aur ye unka manpasand time-pass hai…kya aapki aur meri Maa ye chat kiya karti thi? Kya ye bhi ek change nahi hai aaj ki aurat aur puraney zamaney ki aurat mein? Aaj ki auraton ka time hi pass nahi hoke deta…sara din jane-anjane logon se chat karo….friend circle badhao PR ke naam pe aur phir apni suvidha ke hisab se doosron ko nirlajj bhi karar de do…kya who loose character hain? Character ki paribhasha shayad hi koyi theek tareeke se de paye par apne set parameter pe hum log kisi ko judge karne mein kabhi nahi chooktey…jaise Hum bhagwan se baddey ho gaye hain? Bas koyi hamari pasand aur dharna ke khilaf likh dey fir to bas shamat aa gayi samjho us member ki.
I was just about to write my own story on that thread “Honey its all about love” par aise-aise vichar dekh ke to lagta hai ki shukar hai maine nahi likha aur sirf apni 1-2 classmates ka hi likha warna mere ko to kya-kya medal aur tamgey miltey… I can imagine. Waise yahan mere bhai-bahan/ chacha/foofa bhi hain….aur mai jo likhti hoon sabko pata hai….Ab baat yahan bachhon ke member hone ki…. Ye maa-baap ki jimmedari hai ki unko kaise guide karein… jaise VP Singh ney ek link bheja….aap kab tak aur kahan tak nigrani kareingey? School kids ko who sab pata hota hai jo shayad humey iss umar mein bhi na pata ho….due to internet n mobile and open access to such means of communication. Hum logon ney kis age mein computer dekha hai ya computer-literacy aayi hai aur hamarey bachon ney kis umar mein? Kya ye ek change nahi hai samaj ka? Kya aap iss development ko rok paye? Internet pe positive/negative cheezon ki bharmaar hai….par jisko jo achha lagega who wohi dhoondhega aur wohi milega….hamarey- aapke yahan ek thread ko lock karaney se ya 5-7 members ko daant-dapatt ke humiliate karney se kya hoga? Sadak pe chaltey gays ya lesbo ko aap dhamka ke alag kar saktey hain kya? Aap to USA mein hain jahan ye ek aam baat hai…aap aise gandey samaj mein kaise survive kar rahe hain? Kya aapne koyi aandolan chalaya wahan ke logon ki mansikta ko badalney ka? GLBT ki kamiyon ko samjhaya kisi ko? Ab aap please ye mat kahna ki mere ko unn angrezo se koyi lena dena nahi hai USA ko nahi badal sakta/ India ko nahi badal sakta par Jatton ko mai hargiz iss raste pe nahi chalne doonga. here I’m talking of society in a much broader prospect not only a small jat community. Meri ye manyata hai ki iss adhunik andhadhundh daudd mein aapne agar khud ko bacha rakha to yahi ek bahut baddi uplabhdhi hai. Everyone is a unique being in his/her own way, let us not trespass anyone’s territory and try to respect everybody’s individuality.
Hum har situation mein khud ko rakh kar nahi soch saktey…. Lagta hai members ke strong opposition ki wajah yahi hai ke khud ko uss paimaney pe rakh ke maap-tol liya hai aur gehri nirasha hi nahi kuntha hath lagi hai. Time ke sath NAZARIYA badalne mein hi samajhdari hai baki sabhi apni marji ke malik hain. Jis jis ko unn thread se problem hai sab guest ke taur pe login karkey khoob padhtey hain aur ek golla sa daag dete hain. Agar kisi ko meri kisi baat se nirasha ho to ho….na mai khud ko badalna chahti hoon na Aap logo ko….agar aap mere bataye huay rastey pe chalna chahtey hain to batayein fir mai bhi khud ko badal sakti hoon

[vicky84]

@Sunita Ji,

Very balanced reply... I don't know what's wrong with moderator's participation in discussion.. Who has raised that question?

[vikasJAT]

Good reply sunita ji...........

ye baat main bhi 2 baar bol chuka hoon ki jisko aisi threads se problem hai vo usme login karo he mat.... aur bahut threads hain..... un threads ko padhte sabhi hain yaha tak ki ye bhashan dene wale bhi...... aur fir auro ko apna bhashan dete hain.......agar itna he leader ban na hai to pure India ko nahi sirf apne gaam ko change kar k dekho ,tab to mane bhi ki han aap kuch kar sakte ho.
ye un threads me jo mention kiya gaya hai vo current ki situations hain jo har jagah discuss hoti hain........ aap sabhi kab tak dur bhagte rahoge sachai se......
aaj aap sabhi k bache aap k sath hain kal ko vo kahi bahar bhi jyenge job k liye aur jab ye situation aur topics unke samne aayenge tab aap kya karoge unki job chudva doge??????
bhai ye duniya bot badi hai aur har tarah k insaan rehte hain yaha, isliye har baat pata honi chahiye..... in baato se kab tak khud ko aur apne bacho ko chupate rahoge??????????
aajkal har movie me chahe vo family movie kyu na ho usme kuch na kuch ulta sidha milta he hai, to kya aap apne bacho ko movie ni dekhne dete? ya jab aisa kuch aata hai to unki aankhe band karva dete ho?
aap jitna bhi control kare bacho per lekin unhe jo karna hota hai vo karte hain, aap 24hr unke sath ni rehte.......

Sunita ji ne ye baat bhi sahi kahi ki thoda sa kuch leag se hat kar likho jo aapko (only u) pasand na aaye to direct maa-baap aur family pe jate ho.......... ye bhi galat hai.
aap ko pasand ni aaya to apni pasand apne pass rakho kisi aur pe kyu thopte ho..... aur members ka support lene k liye JAAT COMMUNITY ka vasta dena start karte ho........
har kisi ko apni pasand ya na pasand kisi aur pe ni thopni chahiye.......
aur maine kuch ni bolna........ kisi ko meri baat pasand aaye to thek hai bhai........jo tha bol diya..........kisi ne bura lage to lage main sorry bhi na bolu.........



P.S: Sunita ji aapne jo likha vo totaly sahi hai..... real life me ye sabhi baate kisi na kisi ko kahi na kahi face karni padti hain.

[vikasJAT]

@Sunita Ji,

Very balanced reply... I don't know what's wrong with moderator's participation in discussion.. Who has raised that question?

Bhai Atish kuch reply uperle padh le apne aap samajh jaoge ki kisne kahi ye baat......
mane to is thread me itne bhashan padhe hain ki GANDHI Ji ki yaad aagi..........hahaahhahahahaahahahaha

[singhvp]

@Sunita Ji,

Sunita ji I salute your courage. The things, which I could not dare to point out for fear of a backlash or due to paucity of time, have been very candidly explained by you. In fact, the reference made by one gentleman about my family while advising me to bring all of them on JL was a shallow and woefully cheap attempt to keep me in a straight jacket. This is nothing new, earlier also people have been targetting fellow members who do not fall in line with their thinking by dragging their family members and making unchaste and oblique remarks about them, including our daughters and sisters. This is the height of cheapness. When a person is devoid of logical arguments, he/she can stoop to any level out of frustration. Usually, I try not to have any interaction with such kind of species in future and would simply ignore them instead of locking horns and stooping to their level because there is no end of this dirty polemics.

I have immense pleasure in acknowledging that after a long time we have a moderator who has guts and courage to speak her mind unequivocally, without any bias and without being a hypocrite. Hats off to you. I wish I could have the same level of courage and straightforwardness. And, who says moderators cannot participate in the discussion. Moderators are very much entitled to participate and many of them have been doing so. Surprisingly, I never saw such an objection earlier.

[ritu]

yes sir i have already read your comments on that homosexuality thread and really appreciated it .

Ritu ji, there are certain dark and negative aspects of our life which are, unfortunately, prevalent in society. Instead of closing our eyes and pushing these prevailing evils under the carpet it is better to put them to debate so that we can arrive at some objective conclusion. Our children are more prone to such negativity and it becomes our duty to brief them and forewarn them against such negative aspects (homosexuality/pedophilia etc.). I have nowhere supported such evil practices and have gone out of the way to criticize homosexuality. (you may read my comments again). But to avoid any controversy, logjam and giving due regard to the views expressed by some lady members, I have already signed off that thread and you can counter-check that. Having said that , I have no problem even if those threads are taken off the web-site.

PS: Since time is a great constraint for me, apologies in advance if not able to reply to further comments (unless there is some provocation).

[singhvp]

yes sir i have already read your comments on that homosexuality thread and really appreciated it .

Thanks Ritu ji, for your appreciation. One more thing I forgot to mention earlier is that our society is hollow from inside and all that glitters is not gold. Even a minor and gentle scratch on the veneer would reveal its ugly surface.

[upendersingh]

इंटरनेट के नफे और नुकसान, दोनों ही हैं. किसी ने अपने बच्चों को ज्ञान बढ़ाने के लिए इंटरनेट के प्रयोग की सलाह दे दी तो फिर उन्हें इस बात के लिए भी तैयार रहना चाहिए कि उनके बच्चों को इंटरनेट के नुकसान भी झेलने पड़ सकते हैं. बच्चे हमेशा 'जाटलैंड' पर ही लॉग इन नहीं करेंगे. इसके बावजूद यह भी है कि सदस्य अगर अपनी भाषा को संयमित रखें तो बेहतर रहेगा. GLBT और Romantic Pyar वाले थ्रेड में कई पोस्ट में कुछ सदस्यों की भाषा सीमा से पार चली गई थी. उसी से बिशन भाई का तात्पर्य था शायद. विवादास्पद विषयों पर या तो तब बहस की जाए, यदि उस बहस से कुछ हासिल होता हो, अन्यथा ऐसे विषयों पर बातचीत करने की जरूरत ही क्या है. ये सारा संसार नरक है. यहां रोजाना पता नहीं कैसे-कैसे काले काम होते हैं. उन पर माथापच्ची करने से हासिल क्या होगा? कम से कम 'जाटलैंड' पर कोई विषय शुरू करने और अपनी राय जाहिर करने से पहले हमें यह सोच लेना चाहिए कि इन्हें पढ़ने वाले हमारे ही जाट भाई हैं, जिनमें स्त्रियां और बच्चे भी हैं. वैसे यहां यह भी कहना चाहूंगा कि जब 4-6 वयस्क आपस में बात करते हैं तो वहां से वे बच्चों को दूर जाकर खेलने की सलाह दे देते हैं, अब वो काम यहां कैसे हो, यह समझ से बाहर है. बड़े आपस में बात करेंगे तो कुछ बातें ऐसी-वैसी मुंह से निकल सकती हैं. हां, भाषा सीमा से पार नहीं जानी चाहिए, यह तो है.

[VirJ]

I don't think anyone(or at least majority) has problem discussing Gay or Lesbian. Such things were already discussed on JL. I guess what some members were pointing toward is some of the language written in a few posts e.g. as below :

काम काढ़न आला प्यार,

"और गंडासे कित चल्या" or "यो बड़ा अच्छा राछ से"

There are/were other posts with similar words and essence. Earlier such words, posts/threads were not allowed on JL hence its very natural for some to raise a question. To many member they even fall in the category of vulgur remarks. Basically what people have asked, according to me, IS it OK to use such language from now on? Though such language could be OK to use in a male group/party, we avoid these in public esp in front of elders, kids and females. Just saying/claiming a thread is 18+ won't make a difference. It has also nothing to do with being a serious topic or light/time pass topic. It has also nothing to do with difference of opinion.

But, by now, I guess we all have got the answer.

[ritu]

bishan was voice of so many members who were having the same views like him.i really appreciate he discussed his concern here directly with mods instead of personal bashing on thread.bishan or any member who supported his views does not deserve personal attack ,taunting based on their location or status.bishan has always been very supportive of mods actions and never raised any complaints.and i fully agree with jyani ji comment.

[rinkusheoran]

भाई मैंने सुझाव मांगे थे vote नहीं मांगे थे और ना ही अपने किसी अनैतिक काम पर किसी की मोहर. मैंने सिर्फ यह सुझाव मांगे थे की जो समाचारपत्रों में अश्लील तश्वीर, किस्से कहानियां और article छप रहे हैं जो रोज सुबह आपके घरों में सुबह सुबह चाय की टेबल पर पहुँच जाते हैं उनसे आप लोग अपने बच्चों और बीबियों को कैसे दूर रखोगे .

हर किसी को अनैतिक समझना और अपने आप को नैतिकता का सरताज समझना एक मानवीय दुर्बलता है जो हमेशां से हर समाज में रही है. हर आदमी अपने को दूसरे से ज्यादा पवित्र साबित करने की होड़ में लगा हुआ है. वास्तविकता क्या है यह तो आदमी को स्वयं ही पता होता है I नित्यानंद स्वामी भी अपने आप को नैतिकता का बहुत बड़ा कर्णधार कहता था परन्तु असलियत अब सब के सामने है. और भी ना जाने कितने ढोंगी लोग नैतिकता का लबादा ओढ़े इस दुनिया में अंगूर खा रहे हैं जिनका असली चेहरा कुछ होता है और पब्लिक के सामने कुछ और.

बाकी आप लोग चाहें तो जिस मर्जी धागे को कटवा दें मुझे कोई एतराज़ नहीं. और इस वेबसाइट को आप अपने हिसाब से चलवायें हम तो अपनी टांग नहीं अड़ाएंगे I

PS: Kindly prescribe which are the threads, people are entitled to participate in.

I just gave my views on what you wrote, dont take that to yourself it was just on what you wrote.
Totally agree with you what you said, i think they apply to each n every including you as well or just to others?

[rinkusheoran]

I think Whatever was asked or raised by Bishen, Upender Has given the most appropriate conjecture for that and remaining it is upto the individuals how they take it. Something that is bad for me could be good for others and vice versa. Everything that we see us relative assessment and same applies to our views also.

[annch]

Though after Satyeshwar’s reply my input is not at all required , since I wrote that I’ll reply, I’m replying keeping in mind that I may not stop writing as a member. My membership here on JL is longer than that of an editor and is very much cherished too J whether fellow members liked my presence or not. Same might be the case about other members too.
Members have objection in my contribution as a moderator? here I’ve a question to ask all who ever has an objection- Does a moderator’s mind stop working/ thinking/ Imagining/feeling/ analyzing/conceptualizing/reasoning immediately after He/ She is given this responsibility? Why I as a Moderator should be restricted from freedom of expression? Trust me I’m way too busy for posting and visit for the sole purpose of editing but some topics are so enticing that my writer’s soul doesn’t have a control, suggest what should I do? I’m still a member just as all of you are. Suggestions are always welcome.
My views must have been off sync to yours or vice versa but that’s how I AM, have been and WILL BE. I can’t pretend to be somebody completely different just because I’m an editor now.

You are saying that you cannot separate your two roles of a member and a moderator. So, does this mean that you will carry your prejudices, friendships/ rivalries, assumptions that you have developed over years as a JL member, on to your brand new role as a Moderator? Should we expect you to be neutral as a Moderator when you hold such strong opinions as a member? You can answer this for yourself.

A question to Anjoo- How long you can keep your garbage in your house, ultimately the garbage has to be thrown out to be recycled, isn’t it? Something seemingly garbage to us can be useful to others and vice versa. Your perspective or choice of relationships can be garbage to GLBT.

My post reads-“People are advised to keep their garbage in their own homes, so as not to pollute the whole community till the disposal day.....”
My apologies that my post was not clear, let me simplify for easy understanding: A waste disposal truck collects garbage/trash on a fixed day every week in a community. People collect their garbage over the week and put their garbage bags/trash cans outside ONLY on the day/time when truck comes to collect it, or else the stink will spread in whole community.
With reference to Bishan’s post , my post meant- People should mind their language, and if they have to use contentious language, then they should limit that to their own household and not bring it out in community.
You missed several posts that said it was not the topics that were controversial, but it was the language being used. Probably you are used to that kind of language, being human nature of fitting into roles et all….and as you advised, you should have been able to accept the difference of opinion amicably as well on this thread when you are ok with the language and others are not….

[vicky84]

@MOds:

काम काढ़न आला प्यार,

"और गंडासे कित चल्या" or "यो बड़ा अच्छा राछ से"

The above sayings/sentences are Haryanvi slangs.

Ye word delete karke is thread ko lock kar do..thats it..Khamkha mai ek doosre ke sir ho re hian aade..

P.S: (Tips)Ye sentences yadi kissi ne English mai likh diye hote to shayad itne offensive nahi hote(Jatland Perception)..It makes a big difference when you write in English. You are pretty much safe as long as you are writing in english. There are heaps of threads on JL where one can easily find out the vulgarity/offensiveness in language(Provided it's written in English). English slang..The above sentences written in Haryanvi (Haryanavi slang) . That's the only difference. I am not defending that one should carry on with these slangs. I am just throwing some light on how people ignore something which is written in English and how they perceive it when it's written in Haryanvi.

Example: If you write in English

What do you like about India thread?http://www.jatland.com/forums/showth...ut-India/page5

Have a look at the post # 94. No one objected it.


Example: If you write in Haryanvi

ek be ek mod. ney meraa ek chutkalaa delet kar diyaa ,usse din manney chopaal mey bujhi ak ku delet kyun karyaa ,to uhney kahi ak oohmey tanney choth (gobar) shabad likhaa thaa,jayaan tein delet kardiyaa.kai chutkale binaakisse ke koment karein aagley 2-3 din me fer delet kardiye ,yo kaaran de kein ak aachhey koni they.ibb haam mod ki pasand jaan kein thodi naa chutkale likhaangey.ibb manney choth ki thaan ke likhanaa chaahiye thaa ? "green grass eaten by buffalo from front side and come out from back side in the form of pest".to mere khayaal me yo shabad aachhaa lagdaa.

CHAUTH:
I personally do not see a problem with the word 'chauth'. It is not even sexual or suggestive. It is commonly, openly, widely used word for 'cow dung cake'.


SUGGESTION:
In worst case scenario, a separate 'Age 18+ or over' can be created on the site, not to turn it into an X-rated site, but to allow people to discuss more mature content.


Legends:
'cow dung' in any form or shape = Gobar
naturally fromed 'cow dung cake' = Chauth
'cow dung' artificially moulded with or without other additives e.g. bhusa = Gossa

यदि इतनी भोंडेपन/सभ्यता की चिंता हो रही है तो ऐसा जाटलैंड पर ऐसे बहुत से Thread मिल जायेंगे जहाँ पर पता नहीं कितना Vulgar/Offensive लिखा हुआ है. तो उनका भी साथ में विरोध करो. यदि भोंडेपन वाले तर्क से चलते हैं तो ऐसा भोंडापन तो सालों से चलता आ रहा है जाटलैंड के ऊपर. अभी आँखें क्यों खुली है जाटलैंड के सदस्यों की.

[bishanleo2001]

उपेन्द्र भाईसाहब , मैं आपकी बात से पूरा सहमत हूँ, मैंने कभी कीसी सदस्य को कीसे विवादस्पद विषय पर टिप्पणी करने के लिए मना नहीं किया, ना ही कीसी को उसके निजी विचार अभिव्यक्त करने से इंकार किया, मैंने सिर्फ उनसे एक सामाजिक पटल पर एक मर्यादा मैं रह कर अपने विचार व्यक्त करने का नम्र निवेदन किया., जिसका जिक्र विपिन भाईसाहब ने भी उदहारण के साथ किया है, लेकिन कुछ लोगो ने बात को समझने की बजाये इसे अपनी निजिता पे सीधा आकर्मण समझा.जैसे विचारो के अभिव्यक्ति दुसरे सदस्यों के लिए लागू होती है, उसी के आधार पर मैंने भी अपने विचार व्यक्त किये, हो सकता है की आज कल के आधुनिक समाज के हिसाब से मेरी मानसिकता काफी संकीर्ण रही हो . लेकिन मुझे गर्व है की मैंने जैसे महसूश किया अपने विचार परकट किये और गर्व है मेरे आदरणीय सदस्यों पर जिन्होंने उन्हें समझा और कम से कम जीस तरह के आचरण और व्यवहार से मेरा तात्पर्य था वो बंद हो गया.
@ऋतू बहेनजी आपके समर्थन और समझ के लिए धन्यवाद, मुझे गर्व है आप और अंजू जी समेत अन्य अनेक महिलाओ पर जो आजकल के आधुनिक युग मैं भी अपने संस्कारो के अनूरूप गलत बात के खिलाफ बोलने की हिम्मत kee......

@सुनीता जी, हम आपके आकर्षक व्यकितत्व एवं वाक् पटुता के हमशा कायल रहे हैं, हमने आपके काफी लेख पढ़े और उनसे काफी परभावित, आनंदित हुए और आशा करते हैं की आगे भी होते रहेंगे. समाज ने समय के साथ काफी परगति की है, आपके आधुनिक समाज के नारी और समय के साथ बदलते नजरिये से भी सहमत हूँ , लेकिन ये बात मेरी समझ से परे है की हमें अपने आप को इस आधुनिकता की दौड़ मैं कितना परिवर्तित करना चईये, ५ से ३ गोत्र.... ३ से २...... २ से १.......... और १ के बाद.........
समय के साथ लोगो का पहनावा बदला है चलो अच्छा है, अब उसके साथ क्या हम अपना आचरण भी बदल दे ? मेरे विचार से परिवतन तो होते ही रहते हैं, पर हमें सामाजिक परिवतन की आड़ लेकर अपनी मान मर्यादा और शालीनता
नहीं त्यागनी चाहिए,

और शायद मैं आपसे उम्र मैं भी काफी छोट्टा हूँ, और शायद ज्ञान मैं भी , लेकिन ये बात मैं १०० % विश्वास के साथ कह सकता हुईं की मैंने परदेश मैं रहने के बावजूद भी अपने संस्कार, मूल्यों और गरिमा को पूरी तरेह से बनाये रखा है, तो आप उसपे गर्व महसूश कर सकते हैं, रही सामाजिक परिवर्तन की बात, तो जी राह पे निकले हैं देखो कहाँ तक परिवर्तन ला सकते हैं......

बाकी औरो के लिए भी मैं ये ही कहूँगा की, सभी का देखने का अपना अपना नजरिया होता है.. : कीसी को आधा खाली ग्लास दीखता है, और कीसी को आधा भरा हुआ ग्लास"

इंटरनेट के नफे और नुकसान, दोनों ही हैं. किसी ने अपने बच्चों को ज्ञान बढ़ाने के लिए इंटरनेट के प्रयोग की सलाह दे दी तो फिर उन्हें इस बात के लिए भी तैयार रहना चाहिए कि उनके बच्चों को इंटरनेट के नुकसान भी झेलने पड़ सकते हैं. बच्चे हमेशा 'जाटलैंड' पर ही लॉग इन नहीं करेंगे. इसके बावजूद यह भी है कि सदस्य अगर अपनी भाषा को संयमित रखें तो बेहतर रहेगा. GLBT और Romantic Pyar वाले थ्रेड में कई पोस्ट में कुछ सदस्यों की भाषा सीमा से पार चली गई थी. उसी से बिशन भाई का तात्पर्य था शायद. विवादास्पद विषयों पर या तो तब बहस की जाए, यदि उस बहस से कुछ हासिल होता हो, अन्यथा ऐसे विषयों पर बातचीत करने की जरूरत ही क्या है. ये सारा संसार नरक है. यहां रोजाना पता नहीं कैसे-कैसे काले काम होते हैं. उन पर माथापच्ची करने से हासिल क्या होगा? कम से कम 'जाटलैंड' पर कोई विषय शुरू करने और अपनी राय जाहिर करने से पहले हमें यह सोच लेना चाहिए कि इन्हें पढ़ने वाले हमारे ही जाट भाई हैं, जिनमें स्त्रियां और बच्चे भी हैं. वैसे यहां यह भी कहना चाहूंगा कि जब 4-6 वयस्क आपस में बात करते हैं तो वहां से वे बच्चों को दूर जाकर खेलने की सलाह दे देते हैं, अब वो काम यहां कैसे हो, यह समझ से बाहर है. बड़े आपस में बात करेंगे तो कुछ बातें ऐसी-वैसी मुंह से निकल सकती हैं. हां, भाषा सीमा से पार नहीं जानी चाहिए, यह तो है.

[prashantacmet]

You are saying that you cannot separate your two roles of a member and a moderator. So, does this mean that you will carry your prejudices, friendships/ rivalries, assumptions that you have developed over years as a JL member, on to your brand new role as a Moderator? Should we expect you to be neutral as a Moderator when you hold such strong opinions as a member? You can answer this for yourself. [FONT=&quot]

I can't say about other members view but I see Sunita neutral in her new role so far..and I see no harm if she is expressing her views and some members don't like it..and I guess every moderator is carrying a disclaimer "these are my view as a JL meber not as a moderator" .
Anju ji..I apologize i you think that I jumped in between.

[singhvp]

@MOds:

What do you like about India thread?http://www.jatland.com/forums/showth...ut-India/page5

Have a look at the post # 94. No one objected it.

Example: If you write in Haryanvi

I would also request the very Hon'ble Members of JL to take pains to read that post quoted by Atish. Kindly offer your valuable comments after a careful read.

[deepika]

I am surprised to read this from a so called responsible member of Jatland....Assuming that if it was written in english would have made a difference can't be taken as an excuse.....be it haryanvi slang or anything else...usually this haryanvi slang or whatever is not used by decent people even in villages...i have never heard someone using that in families or houses in villages....who uses such slang or lewd remarks? Ofcourse some useless and mannerless guys in buses or on roads to tease girls...and dont forget that if any strong girl objects or any gentleman hears someone using it...."toh chorre ke chittar aur juttiya padti hai".....agar unki izzat hoti ho toh aap bataye.....you can't take this site as some publis place to show your "Profanity Skills"....leave aside others do you use such haryanvi slang at your house or its english version for that matter?
I have been a member on this site for years and i feel its like a home to most of jatland members....as far as i remember such things never happened in past...i am really disappointed to see that Administrators are trying to portray themselves as generous and bighearted to allow people use such language.This is completely an alibi veiled as "freedom of expression".....Hence i request moderators and administrators to stick to the rules and regulations and the code of conduct...Jatland is like your child and you have to raise it....you cant expose it to some bad elements calling it an exposure....if you do so you will end up spoiling your child

@MOds:

काम काढ़न आला प्यार,

"और गंडासे कित चल्या" or "यो बड़ा अच्छा राछ से"

The above sayings/sentences are Haryanvi slangs.

Ye word delete karke is thread ko lock kar do..thats it..Khamkha mai ek doosre ke sir ho re hian aade..

P.S: (Tips)Ye sentences yadi kissi ne English mai likh diye hote to shayad itne offensive nahi hote(Jatland Perception)..It makes a big difference when you write in English. You are pretty much safe as long as you are writing in english. There are heaps of threads on JL where one can easily find out the vulgarity/offensiveness in language(Provided it's written in English). English slang..The above sentences written in Haryanvi (Haryanavi slang) . That's the only difference. I am not defending that one should carry on with these slangs. I am just throwing some light on how people ignore something which is written in English and how they perceive it when it's written in Haryanvi.

Example: If you write in English

What do you like about India thread?http://www.jatland.com/forums/showth...ut-India/page5

Have a look at the post # 94. No one objected it.


Example: If you write in Haryanvi






यदि इतनी भोंडेपन/सभ्यता की चिंता हो रही है तो ऐसा जाटलैंड पर ऐसे बहुत से Thread मिल जायेंगे जहाँ पर पता नहीं कितना Vulgar/Offensive लिखा हुआ है. तो उनका भी साथ में विरोध करो. यदि भोंडेपन वाले तर्क से चलते हैं तो ऐसा भोंडापन तो सालों से चलता आ रहा है जाटलैंड के ऊपर. अभी आँखें क्यों खुली है जाटलैंड के सदस्यों की.

[singhvp]

@Deepika: Deepika I think you misunderstood Atish. He is not justifying any profanity. The essence of his argument was that in the past there have been instances where dirty language was being used. What is your opinion about those past instances. Here no one is justifying obscenity, profanity or any parliamentary language. I support your argument that we should maintain a minimum decency in our discussions and I am with you here. I am also condemning whosoever has used foul language in the past or today. But cetainly you the old members must share the blame for the sins committed in the past. Why you people did not raise any voice against that profanity as reported by Atish from Post No. 94 of the quoted thread. While I fully support you, I would like to have your comments about post No. 94 of that thread also.

[deepika]

I forgot to answer this question which you have raised...aap galat track pe race laga rahe hai....first of all this is not some competition where you have to leave someone behind in using such language...competition has to be meaningful....yeh sab likhne se kya aapka question yeh hai ki "Ussne kiya toh hum kyu nahi kar sakte?"....hamare desh ke pichde hone ki vajah ek aapki samasya bhi hai....har kisi ko hodd hai dusre se aage nikalne ki...agar ek politician corrupt hai aur paise khata hai toh aap bhi uski rees karoge kya? rees achi cheez ki hoti hai.....mujhe hassi aa rahi hai yeh dekh ke ki apne aap ko sahi darshane ke liye log purani kabar khodne ke liye har kshan tatpar hai....hum kewal ek manushya hi nahi hai apitu ek sabhya samaj ka hissa hai..hum apne vyaktigat jeevan me mitrganoo ke saath hassi mazak kar sakte hai shayad iss tareeke ki batein bhi...par yeh site sirf aapke aur mere liye nahi hai balki saari community ke liye hai...issliye hume kuch likhne se pehle vichar kar leba chahiye...taaki isse kewal aap hi nahi balki aapke mata-pita,Bhai-behan aur bache bhi koi thread padhe toh kuch seekhne ko hi mile...unke man me yeh prashan na aaye ki "Yeh itne asabhya vishya pe koi kaise likh sakta hai...aasha hai aapko abb samajh aa gaya hoga ki hamari samasya aur virodh kis baat ko leke hai

@MOds:

Example: If you write in English

What do you like about India thread?http://www.jatland.com/forums/showth...ut-India/page5

Have a look at the post # 94. No one objected it.


Example: If you write in Haryanvi






यदि इतनी भोंडेपन/सभ्यता की चिंता हो रही है तो ऐसा जाटलैंड पर ऐसे बहुत से Thread मिल जायेंगे जहाँ पर पता नहीं कितना Vulgar/Offensive लिखा हुआ है. तो उनका भी साथ में विरोध करो. यदि भोंडेपन वाले तर्क से चलते हैं तो ऐसा भोंडापन तो सालों से चलता आ रहा है जाटलैंड के ऊपर. अभी आँखें क्यों खुली है जाटलैंड के सदस्यों की.