A question to moderators and fellow members......

[bishanleo2001]

मेरा सभी moderators से एक सवाल है की " क्या हमारे पास जाटलैंड पे कोई पोस्ट करने के लिए कोई नियम पुस्तिका या policy है" और यह सब moderator की दया, रहेमों करम और अनुभव पे निर्भर करता है की क्या पोस्ट डिलीट किया जाये और क्या नहीं.... क्यूंकि पीछले कुछ दीनो से जाटलैंड पे जो भोंडापन और अश्लीलता देक्खने मैं आया है और इस सब के बाद भी moderators ने मौन साध रखा है ........कुछ लोग इसे ओपन mindness कहते हैं, कुछ लोग विचारो की अभिव्यक्ति, और कुछ लोग इसे साइन ऑफ़ प्रोग्रेस बता रहे हैं......... यदि कीसे समाज के लिए सिर्फ सेक्स ही ओपन mindness और प्रोग्रेस का परतीक है तो ये ऊस समाज के लिए बड़ी शर्म और गेरत की बात है मुख्यत ऊस समाज के लोगो के लिए जिसने अपने समाज की गरिमा और इज्जत बचने के लिए अपने प्राणों की आहुति भी देने मैं हिचक नहीं की.......शर्म है ऐसी प्रोग्रेस पे जिसका व्रतांत पढने मैं कीसे भी सज्जन संभ्रांत परिवार के सद्श्यो को लज्जा आये ......... और ऐसे टोपिक चलने वाले कुंठित मानसिकता वाले लोगो से भी मेरा नम्र निवेदन है की कृपया इस वेबसाइट को तो बक्श दो ..जाटलैंड के अलावा भी काफी सामाजिक वेबसाइट हैं आपके विचार परकट करने के लिए..और मुझे पूरा विश्वाश है की आपको वहां पर आपको आपसे भी ज्यादा खूले विचारो वाले और ज्ञानी लोग मिल जायेंगे …. ...... और मेरे भाई अगर समाज मैं प्रोग्रेस ही लानी है तो समाज मैं और भी बहुत सी बुराईया हैं ( अनपढ़ता, गरीबी,बेरोजगारी, दहेज़ पर्था).... अगर दूर करना है तो पहले उन्हें दूर करो...... …और अगर तब भी मन ना भरता हो तो एक कहावत है "charity begins from home" ये सारे same sex... polygamy वाले करम अपने घर ते चला के देखो बेरा पाट जागा की कितने खूले विचारो वाले लोग हो........कम से कम ऊन बेचारे दुसरे सज्जन परिवारों को तो बक्श दो.... कम से कम जाटलैंड ही एक ऐसे वेबसाइट है जाह्न पे लोग अपने समाज अपनी संस्कृति की समझ लेने आते हैं, जो लोगो को अपनों से दूर होने के बाद भी अपनों के पास अपनेपन का अहसाश कराती है ...…लेकिन पिछले कुछ दीनो से अश्लीलता और भोंडेपन का जो नंगा नाच यहं चल रहा है उसे देख कर कौन सरीफ परिवार आना पसंद करेगा ... हमने सुना था की कुछ बातें परदे मैं ही रहे तो अच्छी लगती है ..पर यहं तो शालीनता की सारी हद्दे पार हो गयी हैं... जीसे देख के कीसे भी सच्चे जाट का सर शर्म से झुक जायेगा.....…

और moderators से भी मेरा सवाल है की "how you are making this website different then other social platform" .... की कोई भी आये और कुछ भी लिख के चला जाये ..ना कोई शर्म ना कोई लिहाज ……. पता नहीं moderators किस अंतर्द्वंद और भय का शिकार हैं, जो यह जानते हुए भी की कुछ गलत हो रहा है, मौन साधे हुए हैं..... मेरी जाटलैंड के बारे मैं यही सोच थी की यह एक कम्युनिटी - एक परिवार की तरेह हैं ... ना की कीसे corporation की तरेह जाह्न पर सिर्फ मुनाफा देखा जाता है.........और moderators इसके रक्षक ……और कीसे भी कम्युनिटी के लिए moderators /पंच एक जिम्मेदारी वाला पद होता है और कई बार समाज मैं सूधार लाने के लिए कुछ कठोर कदम भी उठाने पड़ जाते हैं.. पर मैं प्पुचता हूँ की वो कदम अब्ब नहीं उठाओगे तो कब उठाओगे. जब खुले आम तुम्हारे परिवार की चीरहरण हो रहा है........आप अपने दिल से ही पूछो की कितने सदस्य और moderators इस फोरम की कुछ पोस्ट अपने बच्चो और परिवार के अन्य सदश्यो के सामने पढ़ और शेयर कर सकते हो .मुझे लगता है हमारा जाट समाज पहले से ही अलग अलग कार्यछेत्रो मैं अगरनी रहा है पर इतना भी अगर्स्कर नहीं हुआ की ऐसे कुकर्त्य करे जो अपनों के सामने अपनों को शर्म से सर झूकाने के लिए विवश कर दे ........ moderator ऐसे भी क्या विवशता और भय ......... अगर आप कीसे भय से भयभीत हैं तो कम से कम इस वेबसाइट को adult और १८+ का दर्ज़ा दिलवा दे ........ कम से कम कीसी नए मेम्बर को ज्वाइन करने के बाद कोई cultural शोक तो नहीं लगेगा, वो उसके लिए पहले से ही मानसिक रूप से तैयार होगा, और कुछ माता पिता भी ऐसे वेबसाइट से अपने बच्चो को बचाने के लिए parental कण्ट्रोल लगा सकेंगे ....

कृपया ध्यान दे : मैं अपनी पोस्ट के संधर्ब मे कीसी समर्थन की अपेक्षा नहीं करता , बाकी जो भी सच्चा जाट होगा वो रुकेगा नहीं.... और moderators से भी विनती करता हु की कृपया इसे डिलीट ना करे .....……..अर्र भाई मेरे विचारो से सहमत नहीं है , वो इस पोस्ट पे अपने विचार परकट ना करे .............
बाकी सब moderators की अंतरात्मा और विवेक पे निर्भर करता है की वो कैसे इस परिवार की स्वच्छता , शालीनता और गरीमा को बचाए रखते हैं........…

ज्यादा लिखे के लिए क्षमा …………..

धन्यवाद्

[annch]

Bishan,

Do we even need moderators NOW?.......BTW, good that you brought this up, thank you....

[vicky84]

Bhai Bishan,

Munnai to koi galat nahi laga in topics mai..GLBT vaala topic to aur bhi jaroori hai discuss karna aur samghna kyunki bharat(INDIA) mei same sex relationship is no longer an offence to ye aur bhi jaroori ho gaya samghna ki ye faisla kyon liya gaya. Court ne jo faisla diya tha 2009 mei GLBT ke upar..jo ki ye kehta hai ki we should not treat GLBT as second class citizens and they should not be discriminated. To iske upar vichar vimarsh karna kya galat hai bhai...ye bhi important topic hai jaise ki अनपढ़ता, गरीबी,बेरोजगारी, दहेज़ पर्था vaale topics hain..

[rinkusheoran]

Bhai Bishan,

Munnai to koi galat nahi laga in topics mai..GLBT vaala topic to aur bhi jaroori hai discuss karna aur samghna kyunki bharat(INDIA) mei same sex relationship is no longer an offence. Court ne jo faisla diya tha 2009 mei GLBT ke upar..jo ki ye kehta hai ki we should not treat GLBT as second class citizens and they should not be discriminated. To iske upar vichar vimarsh karna kya galat hai bhai...ye bhi important topic hai jaise ki अनपढ़ता, गरीबी,बेरोजगारी, दहेज़ पर्था vaale topics hain..

Aatish bhai, Court k anushar to apne bua aur mame ki chhori gela byah karna bhi gair kanuni koni, OT ebb uske upar bhi baith k vichar vimarash karna chahiye fir to ???

[vicky84]

Aatish bhai, Court k anushar to apne bua aur mame ki chhori gela byah karna bhi gair kanuni koni, OT ebb uske upar bhi baith k vichar vimarash karna chahiye fir to ???

Bhai wo karan to laag re hain..kitna rola maach liya un topics pai...aak nahi hoye we discuss topics..jaroori hain ye topics bhi discuss karne..kaam tai kaam nahi to 10 thread paade honge un topics ke upar..arr kitna discuss ho liya.

[rinkusheoran]

Nice post Bishen.

Totally in sync with you Bishen, Jat Community is the only community which has given this country the most number of martyrs, sant and sadhus. The only caste or i would say the race which is way ahead in the three fields Sports/Wars/Farming. It will be better if we channelizing our energy towards this and no about who was Churaman/Raja Nahar singh/Raja Mahender Pratap/, rani jindan Ch Chhajuram Ch Chhoturam and many more who made instead of reading the search on lesbian/gays and other stupid things.

Nowdays people are marrying outside there caste and they call them open, What will be your next generation Aadha jat ???
They marry in the same caste and call them open
In india only some people marry there cousins so why not to start this as well who are open, kyunki isme jyada dur bhi nahi jana padega, ghar ki ghar mein rista ho jaga.
Girls are eloping but they call them open

Mera Khayal ye hia ki aisi openess baki jatiyon k liye chhod do and thoda constructive kam karo jaisa bishen bhai ne sujhaya.

[vicky84]

Nice post Bishen.

Totally in sync with you Bishen, Jat Community is the only community which has given this country the most number of martyrs, sant and sadhus. The only caste or i would say the race which is way ahead in the three fields Sports/Wars/Farming. It will be better if we channelizing our energy towards this and no about who was Churaman/Raja Nahar singh/Raja Mahender Pratap/, rani jindan Ch Chhajuram Ch Chhoturam and many more who made instead of reading the search on lesbian/gays and other stupid things.

Nowdays people are marrying outside there caste and they call them open, What will be your next generation Aadha jat ???
They marry in the same caste and call them open
In india only some people marry there cousins so why not to start this as well who are open, kyunki isme jyada dur bhi nahi jana padega, ghar ki ghar mein rista ho jaga.
Girls are eloping but they call them open

Mera Khayal ye hia ki aisi openess baki jatiyon k liye chhod do and thoda constructive kam karo jaisa bishen bhai ne sujhaya.

Bhai Rinku pherr wahi baat..who is saying that marrying outside our caste is open..its just a discussion and its debatable..We should put our thoughts about it..How we feel about it.keeping in mind both of the views...negative and positive..Not a one sided discussion where 10 people are saying the same thing and all of them agreeing upon it..I mean..the discussion is fruitful only when we take everything into account.

[annch]

Atish,

There was a thread on homosexuality and Article 377 of IPC. You can judge for yourself the quality of content, then and now. Let me try to find that thread.

Bhai Bishan,

Munnai to koi galat nahi laga in topics mai..GLBT vaala topic to aur bhi jaroori hai discuss karna aur samghna kyunki bharat(INDIA) mei same sex relationship is no longer an offence to ye aur bhi jaroori ho gaya samghna ki ye faisla kyon liya gaya. Court ne jo faisla diya tha 2009 mei GLBT ke upar..jo ki ye kehta hai ki we should not treat GLBT as second class citizens and they should not be discriminated. To iske upar vichar vimarsh karna kya galat hai bhai...ye bhi important topic hai jaise ki अनपढ़ता, गरीबी,बेरोजगारी, दहेज़ पर्था vaale topics hain..

[vicky84]

Atish,

There was a thread on homosexuality and Article 377 of IPC. You can judge for yourself the quality of content, then and now. Let me try to find that thread.

Well thats a different issue..The quality of content is entirely different from starting a thread on same topic..I am not arguing about quality..I mean what people used to write..and what they are writing nowadays..All i am saying is whats wrong in discussing these issues.If someone had already discussed that..that does not mean we cannot discuss it again..Over the time lot of things get changed..So there is not harm in starting or discussing those threads again.

[annch]

http://www.jatland.com/forums/showth...-homosexuality!

Here's the thread, just an FYI. You can discuss contentious issues without using contentious language.

Well thats a different issue..The quality of content is entirely different from starting a thread on same topic..I am not arguing about quality..I mean what people used to write..and what they are writing nowadays..All i am saying is whats wrong in discussing these issues.If someone had already discussed that..that does not mean we cannot discuss it again..Over the time lot of things get changed..So there is not harm in starting or discussing those threads again.

[VirJ]

क्यूंकि पीछले कुछ दीनो से जाटलैंड पे जो भोंडापन और अश्लीलता देक्खने मैं आया है और इस सब के बाद भी moderators ने मौन साध रखा है ........कुछ लोग इसे ओपन mindness कहते हैं, कुछ लोग विचारो की अभिव्यक्ति, और कुछ लोग इसे साइन ऑफ़ प्रोग्रेस बता रहे हैं......... यदि कीसे समाज के लिए सिर्फ सेक्स ही ओपन mindness और प्रोग्रेस का परतीक है तो ये ऊस समाज के लिए बड़ी शर्म और गेरत की बात है मुख्यत ऊस समाज के लोगो के लिए जिसने अपने समाज की गरिमा और इज्जत बचने के लिए अपने प्राणों की आहुति भी देने मैं हिचक नहीं की.......शर्म है ऐसी प्रोग्रेस पे जिसका व्रतांत पढने मैं कीसे भी सज्जन संभ्रांत परिवार के सद्श्यो को लज्जा आये .........

Bhai Bishan,

Well said! For some Convenience is LAW. One the one hand we say its a general site accessible by all on the other hand in a few thread you can see all crap being talked about, I mean in a few posts in a few threads. Looks like we are going Panjab Kesari way.

[bishanleo2001]

Atish bhai, maine ye nahi kaha kee aise social issues discuss karne main koi burai hai,, par agar koi kaam maryada main rehke kiya jaye to tabhi accha hai, aur specially jab aap keese sabhy samaj main reh rahe ho.....aur aise baate discuss karne ke liye aur bhee social websites, blogs, NGO's hain... what the use of discussing something if you don't have balls to act on that.......
aur bhaisahb aapko bhee bachpan main aapke pariwar ne apni sisters, cousin sisters or relatives pe buri nazar naa rakhne ke liye or same sex jaise baatein batane kee jaroorat nahi padi hogi, ye sab bhee aapne apne aap hee sikhi hogi...... aur bhaisahb agar aap ees jatland or apne samaj ke parti thode bhee samarpit ho to aap khuud samejhdaar ho.......

Well thats a different issue..The quality of content is entirely different from starting a thread on same topic..I am not arguing about quality..I mean what people used to write..and what they are writing nowadays..All i am saying is whats wrong in discussing these issues.If someone had already discussed that..that does not mean we cannot discuss it again..Over the time lot of things get changed..So there is not harm in starting or discussing those threads again.

[vicky84]

http://www.jatland.com/forums/showth...-homosexuality!

Here's the thread, just an FYI. You can discuss contentious issues without using contentious language.

I have clearly mentioned in above post that i am not arguing about the content of posts..It depends upon members what to write..their personal opinions..we cannot force someone to think as we think..

Yes..abusive language or contentious language must be suppressed.

[bishanleo2001]

Bhai Rinku pherr wahi baat..who is saying that marrying outside our caste is open..its just a discussion and its debatable..We should put our thoughts about it..How we feel about it.keeping in mind both of the views...negative and positive..Not a one sided discussion where 10 people are saying the same thing and all of them agreeing upon it..I mean..the discussion is fruitful only when we take everything into account.

Atish,

thats surprising for me too.... ke jat log to aise nahi the kee kuch galat ho raha hai aur chuup bethe rahe .......yahn to aisa ho raha hai kee 80% member aise hain kee jinhe padhke aur dekh ke dukh to hota hai par wo kuch keh nahi paate 5% aise hain jo bolte hai par unki aawaz daba dee jaati hai.... 5% aise hai jo "who cares" wale attitude se chalte hain......4% aise hain jinhe bera konni ke topic ke chaal raha hai par likhna jarur hai..... aur 6% aise nang ikhatte ho rahe hain naa unhe keese kee maan kee sharam naa bahen kee... bera konni unke ghar main ke hota hoga... arr pher apne ne wo modern batawe hain......bera konni jaat bhee hain kee or fake ID te aa rahe hai.....

[annch]

People are advised to keep their garbage in their own homes, so as not to pollute the whole community till the disposal day.....

I have clearly mentioned in above post that i am not arguing about the content of posts..It depends upon members what to write..their personal opinions..we cannot force someone to think as we think..

[bishanleo2001]

Ritu jee,

what about those people who keep posting such stuff after repeated warnings and requests..............

yes even i found some of the incidences and language used in honey pyar ke kisse very offensive and cheap for females reading it.those posts are still there ,should have been deleted by now.

[ritu]

in their own terminology........parlaap of bhondaapan.

Ritu jee,

what about those people who keep posting such stuff after repeated warnings and requests..............

[akshaymalik84]

Even mods are participating in these kind of threads. Assuming the MOds participation as personal comments, but dignity of the responsibility given to a MOD should be maintained.

[sunitahooda]

Fellow Members I've some questions being asked here to the moderators and to the members as well, if I'm not wrong. I would like to answer those from both roles that I'm playing here on Jatland but in the evening as My hands are too full with work today and being friday I wish to finish them well in time please bear.

[satyeshwar]

Yaar, yeh to had ho gayi!! Chit bhi meri aur Pat bhi meri... Moderate karo tab bhi members ki gaaliya suno, aur Na karo tab bhi members ki gaaliya suno.

We walk a fine line as is evident from several threads over the past few days. While writing down every single area in which a post can be moderated is outside the scope, here is something to ponder: Moderators need to be fair and impartial. The same rules apply to everyone. We don't consider someone as our friend and let him slide and consider someone else as foe and target him. In general, we need to allow most content on a thread. We should only jump in when someone crosses a limit of decency (abusive language) or if members start making personal attacks against each other.
I think most members and moderators can agree upon everything I have said so far.
Now comes the major point of contention in between different moderators: Should we allow a general theme to continue in a thread or should we allow members to derail it. There are pros and cons of each approach.

Pro of allowing a general theme only: To everyone who reads the thread, they can get several members viewpoint without losing any continuity. No derailing of threads. Outside community (journalists from newspapers etc.) read the threads and are left with a good impression.
Con: As soon as a members post is deleted, it automatically antagonizes them against the moderators. Fun loving members who like leg pulling etc. are not allowed to have fun here.

Pro of allowing members to say what they want (as long as they don't cross the line): More and more members contribute. More fun at each others expense.
Con: Threads can get seriously derailed. Leg pulling can leave some people the more popular people to form a team that doesn't allow the senior or serious members to thrive.

Since we serve all types of people, my own approach is a compromise, let people have fun in some forums and allow serious discussions in others. For example, anything should be allowed in Time pass and Humor section, while General, Social responsibility, Editorial and Current Affairs should be left for serious discussions. This way everyone can get something out of this site. However, to implement this is very hard if not just downright impossible. New people join every day and may not be aware of these rules. Moreover, members (old or new) don't want any intrusion from moderators on any topic. Us being jats are strong willed individuals by nature. This means that even an infraction of 1 point is considered like we just insulted the persons mother. I think that a hands off approach is important from moderators.

Now what will we do about that thread. In my opinion, we will let it stay on the Time Pass section. A lot of people already posted on it which means they are at least getting something out of it. Serious people, please excuse and find another thread to contribute upon.

-Bagh