Encourage youth to go for higher studies for secure future

[Ankurbaliyan]

Hello Everyone,

I was thinking to write this article since a long time….But well before I write something, I must make sure whatever I am writing is really worthy….I am writing for the higher education….The biggest challenge what the next generation and India will be facing….the crunch of the technical people who have higher education….I came across so many people who are not interested to go for higher education and they are more incline to go for the jobs immediately after their graduation…say like B.Sc. BE, BTech. The real question is: Is it worthy to for job without completing the higher education? It is something like India missed the mechanical revolution and jumped to the Information technology revolution…so one can imagine the future of INDIA. It is very true that we are getting lots of job and better opportunity today? but what next once there is saturation in IT? Is it necessary to go for a job immediately after the under graduation….. I frequently talk to the youth and listen their views what exactly they think….there are basically two set of people; the first one who is really need a job because of the family constraints they don’t have enough money to study further, second one is who doesn’t need a job immediately but since their friends have an antique mobile and expensive bikes..so they are attracted by this fascination to earn the easy money and gets trapped without completing the higher education but both set of people suffer in long term….not everyone is interested to complete the higher education but believe me this is really good if you go for higher education….because one has many more opportunity after the higher education relatively to the under graduation…Sometime I also believe that we are also a part of the game….we( means who knew the importance of the higher education) also don’t encourage the youth to go for higher education….they can earn lakhs in a month but they are getting peanuts….because they have not chosen the correct path…I encourage to the young people who can be the next highly skilled engineers and scientists who will be always in demand after higher education…So I request to the JL forum please don’t encourage such kind of immediate fame and money rather encourage to the young minds to complete the education and then allow them to go for the world which they have least expected….

[sunitahooda]

Initially i thought this thread is about saving Environment but its completely diffrent topic, hence couldn't help writing. Offlate I've also been wondering why people start working at such an early age just after completing bachelor's education? Being in HR most of the times while hunting right skills for right job, I hardly come across JATS with high technical skills. Once my colleague mentioned a name Mr.Rathee for a Team Leader's position which requires excellent education background say Pogt Grad. or P.Hd. and it was a pleasant surprise for me

So far in my new job, I've realized the new booming technical skills are- Port Engineers, Design Engineer in Marine Structures, Environmental Engineers, Rehabilitation & Resettlement Experts. PPP Expert and Contract Specialist. These are higly paid jobs in consulting companies like- Halcrow/ Cowi/ Aegis India/ Intercontinental Technocrats/ URS/ Scott Wilson/ Rites India/ MSV/ TCS etc.

Getting education is one thing but planning your career for coming future is something that needs a fair time to choose wisely so that it pays more and makes you carve a niche among commonly available technical skils:o

[singhvp]

The advice to go in for higher education after completion of undergraduation courses is, of course very good, but the most important and overriding factor in majority of cases is financial position. There is only a little percentage of Jat boys/girsl who can afford to wait for a Masters degree if they get placement while doing their Grad level degree. Those who go to foreign countries for education are in more difficult financial straits. They somehow manage their four years stay in costly foreign cities by raising personal/bank loans and try to get employment immediately after completion of their Bachelor's degree. It is not an easy proposition to advise the students to go in straight to Master's degree without having recovered the heavy cost of education incurred by their parents. Personally, I feel it is very difficult. Let me cite my own example. For the last three years, I have been paying an amount of British Pounds 15,000/- annually towards tuition fees only for my son who is pursuing his education of Comp. Engg in UK, not to speak of other expenses which he himself has to manage by working during holidays. I would certainly expect my son to give me some relief as early as possible, especially in clearing the personal loan which I have raised. Therefore, for the commoners, it is advisable that they get some employment immediately on completion of their degree, pay off their debt and after a few years they can do their Masters, like MBA etc.

[sunillathwal]

An interesting (brilliant to me) article published in "The Economist" on the usefulness/uselessness of higher education.

http://www.economist.com/node/177232...3&fsrc=sky|ICA

I tend to agree with the author. More often than not, higher degrees are useless (and I say this with all due respect to the MTechs & PhDs).

Before commenting, please go through the article.

[Ankurbaliyan]

I am not agree with Sunil...because he has made a generalized statement....the link which he has provided just talk about the PhDs and not master degree...apart from that its talk about the USA and other countries….I am talking about the India…most of the country has gone through the mechanical revolution….and they don’t need really the more Phds….but even then in last few months USA president has talked about many times of China and India….Can you denaied that USA is super power just because of technology which they have got through only because of the Phds….A country can never be great until and unless it has technology….Think like you have been taught by just BE passed guy and you have finised the BE….then well, I don’t need to tell you about the standardof yours….and if this goes like in a series then I can imagine the your future generation whom you have taught….in every step they will be losing the knowledge by a factor of ‘X’……and you can’t compensate that ….in long term situation even goes worse....Next generation has to be more smarter and intelligent then the previous one…How would you expect this….if I go through as per the article…..I can also post lots of site where they have mention Phds are good….then you will come up with some more sites…..but the real thing is after reading every article I analyze it thoroughly whether the author is really have justified with my observation and commonsense or not…I agree with you…that what Phds means in India but I am talking about the technical Phds… Please don’t forget that Researchers are the highly paid professional in the world….and the next revolution in India will be Education Revolution…..for your information I would like to showcase you some of the facts about it…USA has 3500 Universities which 1/10 of India’s populations….but In India has around 350 Universities with 10 folds of population….India has just woke up aur Raftaar pakadni abhi baki hai………

[Shibani]

The advice to go in for higher education after completion of undergraduation courses is, of course very good, but the most important and overriding factor in majority of cases is financial position. There is only a little percentage of Jat boys/girsl who can afford to wait for a Masters degree if they get placement while doing their Grad level degree. Those who go to foreign countries for education are in more difficult financial straits. They somehow manage their four years stay in costly foreign cities by raising personal/bank loans and try to get employment immediately after completion of their Bachelor's degree. It is not an easy proposition to advise the students to go in straight to Master's degree without having recovered the heavy cost of education incurred by their parents. Personally, I feel it is very difficult. Let me cite my own example. For the last three years, I have been paying an amount of British Pounds 15,000/- annually towards tuition fees only for my son who is pursuing his education of Comp. Engg in UK, not to speak of other expenses which he himself has to manage by working during holidays. I would certainly expect my son to give me some relief as early as possible, especially in clearing the personal loan which I have raised. Therefore, for the commoners, it is advisable that they get some employment immediately on completion of their degree, pay off their debt and after a few years they can do their Masters, like MBA etc.

I agree with VPSingh ji.

I can provide more perspective to this thread as I am currently working in the higher education sector in Australia. I believe that people in India do understand the value of higher education but lack of proper support and infrastructure for working people in universities holds them back. In universities here we have student's ranging between the age group of 17-70 I am not exaggerating the figures here.
The biggest factor that I see is the policies and the support network within the university. Every university here has procedures implaced to accommodate work requirements and are flexible as per the student. Specially Master's courses are run in the most flexible manner e.g classes are run on the weekend and evenings so are the exams. If a student is unable to sit for an exam due to work or family requirement they can request to sit that exam at another time because the university understands the circumstances surrounding an adult student which is 18 and above.
Student wanting to undertake higher studies don't have to compromise on the university as well as they can if eligible, study at the best of the university. I have also dealt with mature age students who are undertaking a complete new career starting all over again whilst having family responsibility on there shoulders. This is possible because once again due to the strong support network from the government and universities. Australian citizen's have the choice to either pay there tuition fees themselves or apply to get Higher Education loan which incurs no interest. Student's start paying back this debt when they start working at there own pace. Therefore making higher education an available choice if one is willing.
Indians are very willing but lack of support and family responsibility stops them I reckon.

[singhvp]

I agree with VPSingh ji.

Australian citizen's have the choice to either pay there tuition fees themselves or apply to get Higher Education loan which incurs no interest. Student's start paying back this debt when they start working at there own pace. Therefore making higher education an available choice if one is willing.
Indians are very willing but lack of support and family responsibility stops them I reckon.

In India, perhaps, aspirants of higher education do not enjoy the facility of interest free loan. Even the process of raising loan with high interest rate (more than 10%, I suppose) is not very simple. I remember having applied a loan of about 7.5 lakh from Bank of Baroda about 3 years back with the local branch of BOB in some southern African country. I was asked to fulfill more than a dozen conditions which were too complicated to be fulfilled. Ultimately, I decided to dump the plan. Also, the slots of scholarships offered by our institutes of higher education are very limited in sharp contrast to some developed countries like US; and whatever amount is offered is usually not motivating. The third factor is that for getting admission in PG degrees like MBA, work experience is also a requirement, I think. Therefore, in view of this requirement, accepting some employment after a bachelor's degree becomes essential for those who want to pursue this particular degree.

However, the discussion is very informative and Shri Ankur Balyan deserves appreciation for bringing forward this topic.

[malikdeepak1]

Higher education is directly proportional to family's financial condition in our caste.

If you are financially strong you can go on and achieve whatever degree you want. But if you lack financial resources, then it becomes almost impossible to go for higher education, because your family needs you to support you to get out of that financial crunch as soon as you are a graduate. Kayi log to graduation ke liye bhi byaaj par paisa udhaar utha kar padhate hai apne bacho ko. Uski graduation hote hi wo expect karte hai ki bacha kama kar karj utare jitni jaldi ho sake taki hum bhi sir utha kar chal sake.
Now the person who is not having any money to make his son a graduate even, how can he afford to even think of making him a post-graduate?forget about any PhD etc.

Or loan bhi asani te nahi milta. bank ka manager 10% mangega loan ka, us loan ne pass karen tayi. Pahle to us guga ne pise khuwao fer loan lo.

Yes, higher education does improve a person's thinking significantly in terms of education and help him to achieve better career, but it all boils down to the resources you are having at your disposal to pursue your studies further or not.

[Ankurbaliyan]

First of all, I would like to say Happy New Year to JL forum....and would like to say thanks for the time you people have invested....

I want to say few things...and the very first thing is the there are plenty of scholarship as far India and abroad are concerns but the fact of pity is that people are not aware of...and this is why they have to pay a lot of price...Scholarships are provided for higher degree specially Mtech and PhDs....even some of the case MBAs too, and the provided scholarship is more than enough for the College fee and the day to day expenses....In some cases even scholarship are provide for the under graduation too...very less people are aware of this.....I came across so many people who have availed the best scholarship in the world...and I found that even more then 50 % are not deserve to get the scholarship but they got because the penal did not find any suitable candidate....and have to select one out of them....let me give my own example....I did not spend not even a single penny for my M.Tech.... and I was sponsored by the Gov. of India...Thanks to GATE score and MHRD...... and there are lots of scholarship but the real problem is people are not aware of.......Please remember “ No one is Intelligent but the one who has awareness he is the intelligent one.....so the real problem is the awareness and nothing else...People have lots of potential but they don’t utilize it properly.....I find so many people deserve much better but they get nothing ....and the reason is the fear....Fear of failure.... Education lone system is really not that much pathetic as VP Singh told Let me tell you about an instant.....I met a guy at NIT Trichy, he came for Mtech admission and have no fees with him...He got admission on the spot and at the same time loan on the spot...Generally for good organization Bank will be there on the day of counseling and they will offer the lone on the spot...See how flexible the system is...what require is the hard work during your studies....
VP Singh ji has highlight a very important point and that is...before going to MBA one need to have work experience though it is not mandatory but its good if one has the workex....then things are more clear to him when he study the MBA...in fact I will say he can enjoy doing MBA.... I saw a recent trend in India 3 out of 4 young mind want to do MBA after the BTech.....and when I ask them why would you want to do it then they say they will get more money...which is really not true...Recently I met a researcher who has developed a new technique to synthesize the Nanoparticle....He has patented it and sold in millions of $ . There are lots of examples but some of us think that doing research is the like killing time, which is obviously not true....Remember most significant discoveries are accidental it is something when you try to seek the answer of something and come across something else. Writing a book itself will give you so much of royalty that your future generation can enjoy their life....

[Ankurbaliyan]

I think Deepak Mailk seems to be very angry with the Higher education and rich people along with system... J “ Higher education is directly proportional to family's financial condition in our caste”
I have a slightly different opinion here....I came across very different personalities when I was in my college days....I enjoy studying in NIT and IIT.... I found most of the students were from very average family and very few were from the rich family....in fact around 30 % were from the very poor family....who made it into the IIT. I would like to draw your attention to the Mr. Anand super 30 program... None of the 30 student is from even average family....but yes if you are rich then you can do whatever you like but that doesn’t not mean that your start cursing yourself or your family because your financial condition is not good b/c of xyz reason....rather it will be good that you take this as a challenge and work constructively with positive attitude to bridge the gap of money...Most of the time...One particular generation has to work harder in comparison to the other one...to bridge this gap of rich and poor....So Its a good opportunity for you to lead the front and set the example for your next generation to come and realize what you have done....I personally do not feel any achievement when anyone who qualify any competitive exam who was blessed with all sort of facilities. However I appreciate the one who have done the same against all odds( have very minimal things with him)....that is the taste of success....and when you taste it,its unforgettable.....Imagine a Victory...What a victory that would be.....

I want to comment on the shibani saroha thoughts too....
I agree up to some extent with her...but would like to say “Comfort always leads to a deadening of individual creativity and energy”....I believe in supreme scarifies for education....”Sukharti Kuto Vidhya....Vidhyarthi kuto sukham”.... people gets success when they scarifies their comfort....One of my Junior was UP board Merit holder in 10th and 12th and did his bachelor degree from IIT and opted the job in NTPC....He had immense potential......I suggested him to for UPSC...even he was also intrested...but he told me he will do it parallel....I met him last month....we have a long chat...I was surprised he refuse to write the UPSC....It’s not that he is not interested...he is, but his comfort detroit his will power in just 2 years that he feels its impossible to write the exam... I am not saying that it is impossible to have a higher education after a break...but there are chances that you change your mind after a comfortable job as the clock ticks.....at the same time a beak is a break its take a long time to accelerate you...and your efficiency drastically reduces because of biological process...as you grow old..... Indian system is really good because their parents do everything to get you educated...in Europe and USA....children starts raising money in their childhood itself...which is their part time job...to expense their life style....that is one of the biggest problem in such country and their leaders are aware of this.....We are also moving in the same direction.....Hope that our future generation doesn’t follow the same path...

[amitdabas22]

Good thoughts on the subject from all. Agree with Ankur, VP singh ji and shibanji on various points and yes it is now evident that your financial status is no more a deterrent to your education if you have the will to work hard.
The super 30 program is well known as Ankur has mentioned.

In fact the quality of bachelors and masters degrees in India is still not on level with the developed countries. And also the dollar returns are much more lucrative to all in the long run. All prefer to go abroad for their masters, because the living standard and the amentities are much better abroad.

The government is doing good to support the education in India, still efforts are required for aiding programmes overseas.
Further the returns of going for a PhD are far less appealing here in India unless you are the extraordinary kind. The same has been suggested in the article mentioned by Sunil.

Overall not such a bleak picture for the aid from banks if anyone is interested in pursuing a career abroad. This is well supported by VP singh ji's view of working before you go for higher studies of any kind.

I think that even makes better sense to us all now, having worked for some time.

[dahiyarocks]

itni angreji te aati ni mne per baat issi se ke HIGHER EDUCATION te pehla jaruri se BASIC EDUCATION.........first v will hav to lay a stronger foundation....v need a education system by which a student can be benefited most...v need a system by which v can find d best career for a student keepin in mind his interest,his capabilities,his talent bcoz a child dont hav much knowledge at tat age...nd till the time he starts gettin things.starts to realise his mistakes he had lost d game...

[deependra]

As pointed by others, I believe the biggest reason for the youth gen not going for higher education is lack of financial support. Most of them face financial crunch during their graduation itself. So the family wants to get him/her employed as soon as possible to pay back the loan raised for his/her education.
As Ankur pointed that most of the Engineering graduates want to go for an Mba. Even they are not sure why they want to do it but they just want to go for it. This trend has started having a big impact on our IT skills as the freshers are just contributing towards increasing the headcount and they are not adding any value to the company. I don't think it will help them as they are not sure themselves where they are heading and if everyone becomes a manager who is going to do the micro level implementation.
As mentioned by Sunitaji we should try to be more aware of latest trends in the market and try to excel in any of the niche technologies. I have seen many times, M.Techs doing the regular job and a B.Tech graduate equipped with some special skill being paid 2-3 times more salary.
PS- I am not against the higher education provided that the family can support one financially and the person has the clear vision in his mind about his aspiration.

[vivekdh]

abhi tak 1 terha ke students ki baat ho rahi hai jo higher education ke liye nahi jate bcs paisa nahi hai support kerne ke liye orr maa baap bhi support nahi ker sakte etc.
muje lagta hai ki 5-6 saal me loan se free hoke bhi higher education ke raste khule hain agar kissi ko uske liye jana hi hai to.

ab 2nd terha ke students (meri terha ke) ki baat kerte hain jinko 12th tak to ye nahi pata hota ki kerna kya hai bus khelne kudne me time nikal jata hai. papa salha dete hain ki engineering ker le, to wo suru ker di. 4 saal me duniya bhar ki bakwas pad ke 2 subject samaj aate hain ki muje ye pasand hain tab tak job ka time aa jata hai. fhir papa kehte hain ki M-tech ker le abhi kya karega job ker ke. bechara student soch me pad jata hai ,apne seniors ko dekhta ki yaar we sahi kama rahe hain mast karcha ker rahe hain or jo M-tech ke liye chale gaye wo abhi bhi pad rahe hain or pada bhi rahe hain.uss time Higher education wala option sahi nahi lagta, to 6 months kaa koi cousre kerke (2 subject jo pasand the ) badiya si job pe lag jatte hain.4-5 saal me paisa sahi milne lagta hai 1-2 company change kerke. yahan tak sab sahi hai.
Fhir lagne lagta hi ki apne kaam me bahut kuch hai sikhne kaa hai , jo upcoming market hai uske bare me jan lena chahiye etc. ab uss student ke pass *manpasand subjects me work ex hai, *usse pata hai ki usse issi domain me aage badna hai or puri duniya me uske samne bahut acche higer education ke option khul jate hai bcs of work ex in same domain. or wo aasani se aage bad sakta hai bcs he is earning well. muje ye rasta pasand hai higher education ke liye. per kahani me twist hai ab student ki maa kehti hai beta shaddi ker le nahi to achhi ladki milni nuskil ho jayegi The END

[Ankurbaliyan]

Hi Friends,
I have some thought to be shared with you....Amit Dabas said “In fact the quality of bachelors and masters degrees in India is still not on level with the developed countries.” I would like to put forward my observations...One year back, My director wants to start a new course for master students “Bio-Nanotechnology” I was asked to look thorough the syllabus of various world’s top most universities and then I found that the curriculam what these organization were offering was nothing new and infact the standard of course content for master student was equilent to the bachelor student in India....only very few of the universities has matched the course content of the master student in India....I attended various courses online videos starting from MIT to IIT....I had gone though more then 10 top universities online courses....Frankly speaking, there were no matched of India’s course content....I found that lectures posted by IITs were commented by students who were studying in top universities. We must come out of the misconception that we have inferior education system. Indians are welcome, around the world because of their strength of knowledge which they have got through the indian education.....Second fact which I would like to share with you is more shocking even.....I like this comment “All prefer to go abroad for their masters, because the living standard and the amentities are much better abroad”. this is absolutely true....People go abroad because of two reason, the very first one is better living standard and ample opportunities and the second one they realized after coming to abroad like me....less competition in comparison to India....Living in India is very tough because you will find lots of intelligent student...and it is not easy to compete with them..So you work hard to compete with them that makes one more strong, but this is not the case in abroad....We have less number of compotator in abroad thanks to the educcation which we have got through India...b/c already studied they are studying now...So we have upper hand.....

[upendersingh]

I don't think so that for securing future the youth should be encouraged to go for higher studies. In fact, the youth should be encouraged to be best in his/her field. Almost all fields have name, fame and money. Wrestler Sushil Kumar or cricketer Sachin Tendulkar like personalities haven't gone for higher studies, yet they are more famous and successful than many Phds, MBAs, MCAs or Mtechs. I know many businessmen who are almost illiterate, but they are billionaires and have much more secured future (if wealth is concerned for securing future).
This whole world is serving each other and to serve others nicely it is essential that one's service should be top class in comparison with other competitors. Education is very nice skill and one must try to get as higher education as one can, but getting higher education is the guarantee of secured future...then I would say nope....We all must work hard for our physique too. If we are not healthy, then we will lose everything here.
Sometimes I think it will be destructive for the Jats if they all go for higher education, because after getting Master level education mostly Jats don't remain 'Jats'. They start abusing Jats, India, religion, casteism, values etc. They start praising foreign countries, life is one, having more than one partner is not bad, all are equal in this world etc things. That's not good.
To be honest, in my life I have seen only 10% highly educated guys who are really intelligent, otherwise mostly guys have Master or such degrees, but know nothing about the related field.
Technology no doubt has no alternate, but I think almost all necessary inventions have been made and world is on full swing right now in this concern. Yet, if somebody wants to go for technology then 'ANWT' is the technique which can make any country most powerful in this world. If India have this 'Anti-Nuclear Weapon Technique' right now then we can rule this whole world, as we will have both nuclear weapon and it's shield then.

[shivamchaudhary]

I don't think so that for securing future the youth should be encouraged to go for higher studies. In fact, the youth should be encouraged to be best in his/her field. Almost all fields have name, fame and money. Wrestler Sushil Kumar or cricketer Sachin Tendulkar like personalities haven't gone for higher studies, yet they are more famous and successful than many Phds, MBAs, MCAs or Mtechs. I know many businessmen who are almost illiterate, but they are billionaires and have much more secured future (if wealth is concerned for securing future).
This whole world is serving each other and to serve others nicely it is essential that one's service should be top class in comparison with other competitors. Education is very nice skill and one must try to get as higher education as one can, but getting higher education is the guarantee of secured future...then I would say nope....We all must work hard for our physique too. If we are not healthy, then we will lose everything here.
Sometimes I think it will be destructive for the Jats if they all go for higher education, because after getting Master level education mostly Jats don't remain 'Jats'. They start abusing Jats, India, religion, casteism, values etc. They start praising foreign countries, life is one, having more than one partner is not bad, all are equal in this world etc things. That's not good.
To be honest, in my life I have seen only 10% highly educated guys who are really intelligent, otherwise mostly guys have Master or such degrees, but know nothing about the related field.
Technology no doubt has no alternate, but I think almost all necessary inventions have been made and world is on full swing right now in this concern. Yet, if somebody wants to go for technology then 'ANWT' is the technique which can make any country most powerful in this world. If India have this 'Anti-Nuclear Weapon Technique' right now then we can rule this whole world, as we will have both nuclear weapon and it's shield then.

I agree with Upender Ji, Higher study doesn't make someone more skilled. But it makes more knowledgeable. Even most IAS and IPS are just graduated. What I feel that post-grad opens you high salary but not necessarily you can make all of it. Skill development should be soul purpose for higher study not money.

Now-a-days Higher study entrance exams are less relevant what we read in UG. Computer science and IT is mostly taken major, but IAS and other exams are not including this subject. The choice left with GRE (MS), and it is costly. So, I agree we should go for higher study, but we should set our mind before taking a or pursuing a UG program.

[ashutoshgrewal]

Greetings everyone. First off, it has been wonderful reading people taking different perspectives on the topic. I strongly support the idea of pursuing higher education. It opens a different 'class' of jobs for you. I'm from Computer Science and I'll speak with my experience in that field only.

Though both the sides have valid points here but I've a few reservations about certain points mentioned above.

"Originally Posted by Mr. Lathwal" -The Economist
I tend to agree with the author. More often than not, higher degrees are useless (and I say this with all due respect to the MTechs & PhDs).

I completely disagree with the article from the Economist that discourages PhDs. A PhD guy's median salary in US is $88k/annum while for MS it is $67k and for BS just $50k [Source - PayScale.com]. As for the authors point regarding PhDs struggling to get academic jobs in US, I'll say this - the joy of teaching and research for a person who has done a PhD can't be compared and replaced by money. Getting an academic job in US is I think by far the most difficult task and that is why it is EXTREMELY respected.

"Originally Posted by Mr. Baliyan"

there were no matched of India’s course content....I found that lectures posted by IITs were commented by students who were studying in top universities. We have less number of compotator in abroad thanks to the educcation which we have got through India...

I agree with most of your statements but with all due respect, the course content of good Indian universities is FAR FAR behind that of an average US university. I did my UG at NIT Durgapur an year and a half back and they were teaching us how to make audio cassettes. Really??? We're not keeping up with the pace of technology. What we are teaching in INDIA are obsolete technologies and probably no company works on them anymore (ZERO commercial value). My very first project in US was on an Android phone. Here is the difference. Another big problem - In INDIA plagiarism is not dealt with properly (or at all?). Most of the students copy assignments and still get good marks. US education is very practical. Final exam probably just carries 40% of your grades. Rest is YOUR WORK (as in research projects etc.) related to that subject (copying is dealt very seriously here) which eventually adds an intrinsic value to the student. YES, we've a very sound basic education system., viz, the computer languages are still same and are basic to Computer Science. They are still taught by some great professors at IITs and a few NITs.

Secondly, as for less competition - I think its only because of more opportunities. As far as less competion... umm The cream of the whole world comes to US. The companies like NASA, Google, Facebook recruit here and very tough to get into.

"Originally Posted by Mr. Singh" Wrestler Sushil Kumar or cricketer Sachin Tendulkar like personalities haven't gone for higher studies, yet they are more famous and successful than many Phds, MBAs, MCAs or Mtechs."

Dear Sir,

I respectfully disagree with you Mr. Singh as you cite examples of a world class batsman and a great wrestler to justify a seemingly correct argument. These are the exceptions - policies are not made considering exceptions. What about the 25 crore INDIANs who do REAL GOOD labor and failed to come above the poverty line.

The key to success is EDUCATION.


The whole western world is thriving on education. They export us their outdated technology and our govt. happily pays our tax money to get it. There is no alternative to this as our indigenous industries have failed time and again to meet our requirements. But there is hope - Look at ISRO, it is doing amazing work and so is DRDO. I'm not sure about the rest of the government organizations.

[upendersingh]

"Originally Posted by Mr. Singh" Wrestler Sushil Kumar or cricketer Sachin Tendulkar like personalities haven't gone for higher studies, yet they are more famous and successful than many Phds, MBAs, MCAs or Mtechs."

Dear Sir,

I respectfully disagree with you Mr. Singh as you cite examples of a world class batsman and a great wrestler to justify a seemingly correct argument. These are the exceptions - policies are not made considering exceptions. What about the 25 crore INDIANs who do REAL GOOD labor and failed to come above the poverty line.

The key to success is EDUCATION.


The whole western world is thriving on education. They export us their outdated technology and our govt. happily pays our tax money to get it. There is no alternative to this as our indigenous industries have failed time and again to meet our requirements. But there is hope - Look at ISRO, it is doing amazing work and so is DRDO. I'm not sure about the rest of the government organizations.

Mate, you have full right to disagree as all are free in this world to live according to what they think. But I would like to say that these are not exceptions, in fact mostly sportsmen/artists in the world are not highly educated. Virender Sehwag and MS Dhoni are also such sportsmen. The Chairman of MDH company Mahashay Dharmpal Gulati was a Tangawala in his youth. I can give many other such examples. Actually, this world can exist without PhDs and other highly educated guys, but can't exist without farmers or labours. Yet, I am not denying the value of education. But if we say that we should encourage youth to go for higher studies then it means we don't want them to be farmers, soldiers or sportspersons etc. It is the right idea that let them become what they want and encourage them to be best in their field.
Let's try to understand this world:
इस संसार में सब एक-दूसरे की सेवा कर रहे हैं. एक अध्यापक को रोटी तब मिलेगी, जब वो दूसरों के बच्चों को पढ़ाएगा. एक खिलाड़ी को रोटी तब मिलेगी, जब वो अपने खेल से लोगों का दिल बहलाएगा. एक मोची को रोटी तब मिलेगी, जब वो लोगों के जूतों की मरम्मत करेगा. इसी तरह से सब रोटी के लिए एक-दूसरे की सेवा कर रहे हैं. फौजी को रोटी तब मिलेगी, जब वो देश की सीमाओं की रक्षा करेगा. इस दुनिया में सारे काम जरूरी हैं. अगर मजदूर मजदूरी करना बंद कर दे, दर्जी कपड़े सीना बंद कर दे और यहां तक कि सफाई कर्मचारी सफाई का काम करना बंद कर दे तो यह संसार परेशान हो जाएगा...कहने का मतलब यह कि सारे काम जरूरी हैं. बड़ी डिग्रियां हासिल करके भी तो लोग दूसरों की सेवा ही करते हैं. लगभग सभी क्षेत्रों में बुलंदियां हैं. हम अभिनेता रजनीकांत को जानते हैं, क्रिकेटर सचिन तेंदुलकर को जानते हैं, योगगुरु रामदेव को जानते हैं, अपराध जगत के डॉन दाउद इब्राहिम और छोटा राजन को भी जानते हैं. क्या इन्होंने कम धन कमाया है? इन्होंने तो धन के साथ-साथ नाम भी कमाया है. ये सब बेहद कम शिक्षित हैं, लेकिन अपने क्षेत्र के दिग्गज हैं. ये तो चंद नाम हैं, ऐसे ना जाने कितने नाम हैं. कई ऐसे चाटवाले, मिठाईवाले होते हैं जो दूर-दूर तक प्रसिद्ध हो जाते हैं, केवल अपनी अच्छी सेवा की बदौलत और उनकी कमाई भी कम नहीं होती. दरअसल धन कमाना लक्ष्य नहीं होना चाहिए. लक्ष्य होना चाहिए अपनी सेवा से दूसरे को खुश करना, अपने काम में महारत हासिल करना और दूसरों को अपनी तरफ से बेहतरीन सेवा देना. मान लो हमारी गाड़ी खराब हो जाती है, मैकेनिक हमसे खूब पैसे तो ऐंठ लेता है, लेकिन काम बढ़िया नहीं करता तो उसने ठीक सेवा नहीं की. यदि वो पैसे भी जायज लेता और काम भी ठीक करता तो हमारा दिल बड़ा खुश होता. तो बात ये नहीं होनी चाहिए कि एक मजदूर बेचारा गरीबी रेखा से ऊपर नहीं उठ पाता और एक पी.एच.डी. अमेरिका में भारी कमाई कर रहा है. वो पी.एच.डी. लोगों की सेवा कैसी कर रहा है, जो काम उसे सौंपा गया है, उसे वह कितने अच्छे ढंग से पूरा कर रहा है, यह मायने रखता है. जिसकी जिस क्षेत्र में दिलचस्पी हो, उसे उसमें महारत हासिल करने के लिए प्रोत्साहित करना चाहिए, मेरे कहने का यह मतलब था. पढ़ाई एक बहुत अच्छी चीज है और जितना ज्यादा हो सके पढ़ना भी चाहिए, लेकिन स्वास्थ्य सबसे पहले है.

If you are too much impressed of the western world, then let me tell you that they are most indebted countries of this world, divorce rate, rape rate, murder rate, suicide rate, pregnant teens before marriage rate are much higher there in comparison with India. Their technology theory has ruined this whole world as many kind of pollutions and diseases have grown due to it. If you say this growth or development, then god bless you and this world, mate.

[ashutoshgrewal]

But I would like to say that these are not exceptions, in fact mostly sportsmen/artists in the world are not highly educated. Virender Sehwag and MS Dhoni are also such sportsmen. The Chairman of MDH company Mahashay Dharmpal Gulati was a Tangawala in his youth. I can give many other such examples.

Sir,

You're missing my point. What is the ratio of successful people among the uneducated and the educated lot. I can sight examples of people who defied all odds just because of education, viz, Dr. Manmohan Singh :Oxford: (a highly respected economist who led India to the path of globalization and eventually became the PM of a nation with majority of Hindus), President Obama :Harvard: (an African-American ruling over the most powerful country with majority of white people) etc. They had very humble beginnings and rose to the highest offices in their country. Time and again they have repeated that it was education which put them where they are. Governments across the world are trying to increase the high paid tech jobs.

Actually, this world can exist without PhDs and other highly educated guys, but can't exist without farmers or labours. Yet, I am not denying the value of education. But if we say that we should encourage youth to go for higher studies then it means we don't want them to be farmers, soldiers or sportspersons etc. It is the right idea that let them become what they want and encourage them to be best in their field.

I beg to differ again - very soon you'll have machines that can do much better farming at much cheaper rates (or we already have? tractors which could do multiple times what a bullock would have done in a day etc.). Technology will eventually takeover. Our generation has to invest in science to secure jobs of the future.
World would be a mess without these guys. Everything Internet, computers, cell phones, airplanes, military equipment is a product of technology. It is impossible to sustain in the present time without technology.

Let's try to understand this world:
इस संसार में सब एक-दूसरे की सेवा कर रहे हैं. एक अध्यापक को रोटी तब मिलेगी, जब वो दूसरों के बच्चों को पढ़ाएगा. एक खिलाड़ी को रोटी तब मिलेगी, जब वो अपने खेल से लोगों का दिल बहलाएगा. एक मोची को रोटी तब मिलेगी, जब वो लोगों के जूतों की मरम्मत करेगा. इसी तरह से सब रोटी के लिए एक-दूसरे की सेवा कर रहे हैं. फौजी को रोटी तब मिलेगी, जब वो देश की सीमाओं की रक्षा करेगा. इस दुनिया में सारे काम जरूरी हैं. अगर मजदूर मजदूरी करना बंद कर दे, दर्जी कपड़े सीना बंद कर दे और यहां तक कि सफाई कर्मचारी सफाई का काम करना बंद कर दे तो यह संसार परेशान हो जाएगा...कहने का मतलब यह कि सारे काम जरूरी हैं. बड़ी डिग्रियां हासिल करके भी तो लोग दूसरों की सेवा ही करते हैं. लगभग सभी क्षेत्रों में बुलंदियां हैं. हम अभिनेता रजनीकांत को जानते हैं, क्रिकेटर सचिन तेंदुलकर को जानते हैं, योगगुरु रामदेव को जानते हैं, अपराध जगत के डॉन दाउद इब्राहिम और छोटा राजन को भी जानते हैं. क्या इन्होंने कम धन कमाया है? इन्होंने तो धन के साथ-साथ नाम भी कमाया है. ये सब बेहद कम शिक्षित हैं, लेकिन अपने क्षेत्र के दिग्गज हैं. ये तो चंद नाम हैं, ऐसे ना जाने कितने नाम हैं. कई ऐसे चाटवाले, मिठाईवाले होते हैं जो दूर-दूर तक प्रसिद्ध हो जाते हैं, केवल अपनी अच्छी सेवा की बदौलत और उनकी कमाई भी कम नहीं होती. दरअसल धन कमाना लक्ष्य नहीं होना चाहिए. लक्ष्य होना चाहिए अपनी सेवा से दूसरे को खुश करना, अपने काम में महारत हासिल करना और दूसरों को अपनी तरफ से बेहतरीन सेवा देना. मान लो हमारी गाड़ी खराब हो जाती है, मैकेनिक हमसे खूब पैसे तो ऐंठ लेता है, लेकिन काम बढ़िया नहीं करता तो उसने ठीक सेवा नहीं की. यदि वो पैसे भी जायज लेता और काम भी ठीक करता तो हमारा दिल बड़ा खुश होता. तो बात ये नहीं होनी चाहिए कि एक मजदूर बेचारा गरीबी रेखा से ऊपर नहीं उठ पाता और एक पी.एच.डी. अमेरिका में भारी कमाई कर रहा है. वो पी.एच.डी. लोगों की सेवा कैसी कर रहा है, जो काम उसे सौंपा गया है, उसे वह कितने अच्छे ढंग से पूरा कर रहा है, यह मायने रखता है. जिसकी जिस क्षेत्र में दिलचस्पी हो, उसे उसमें महारत हासिल करने के लिए प्रोत्साहित करना चाहिए, मेरे कहने का यह मतलब था. पढ़ाई एक बहुत अच्छी चीज है और जितना ज्यादा हो सके पढ़ना भी चाहिए, लेकिन स्वास्थ्य सबसे पहले है.

It is very convenient for either of us to talk about the poor - I'd be really interested in meeting a person who is a cobbler or a laborer and is extremely satisfied with his job and given a chance would not study.

Education opens a very wide no. of jobs.
Yes, some people are passionate to become a sports-person, an artist or a Soldier. I've nothing against such people rather I respect them. They should be given their space; and society and government should encourage such people. But here is my problem -
The strength of Indian army is around 13 lakhs. The TATA group alone has around 4 lakh employees and there are tens of thousands of such industries across the world. The professions you talked are extremely necessary but neither they lead to development/progress of society as a whole nor do they have the potential to offer employment to the growing Indian population. Plus technology offers clean white-collared better paid jobs.

If you are too much impressed of the western world, then let me tell you that they are most indebted countries of this world, divorce rate, rape rate, murder rate, suicide rate, pregnant teens before marriage rate are much higher there in comparison with India. Their technology theory has ruined this whole world as many kind of pollutions and diseases have grown due to it. If you say this growth or development, then god bless you and this world, mate.

These are social problems and are caused by certain people in their society who couldn't understand the responsibilities that came with the tremendous freedom. I'm not sure of all your stats and every society has its problems. Don't we have problems - half of the North East wants a separate country? Maoism is getting out of hands, women are not treated properly, poverty is increasing etc etc.

My point is we shouldn't point fingers towards the west rather we should learn from their good as well as bad decisions. Just so that you know - Westerners like the Indian family system. If they can learn from us why should we close our eyes.

BR,
Ashutosh