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  1. #201
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    Ravinderji
    Hardeepji has quoted above from Jatland itself:

    "Later to minimize the influence of Buddhism and Jainism in India, the Brahmans organized a grand yagya at mount Abu in Rajasthan, which continued for 40 days. Almost all the ruling clans attended this yagya. The ruling clans which took part in this yagya were titled as ‘Rajputs’. Four Kshatriyas appeared from the agnikunda namely, Solankis, Pratiharas, Chauhans and Paramaras. They were termed, "Agnivanshi Kshatriyas". "

    It explains that Rajput is a Sub-Union (subgroup) of Ancient Jats in terms of mathematical language.
    Laxman Burdak

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    Sikhan Jat gotra and Sikhi clan

    [Wiki]Sikhan[/Wiki] (सिखाण) is a Jat gotra in Jodhpur district in Rajasthan.

    They are in very rare distribution and so far traced in village [Wiki]Salwa Kalla[/Wiki] in Jodhpur district in Rajasthan.

    History of Salwa Kalla

    It is a place of historical importance as it is the birthplace of Vir Durgadas Rathore. The village was founded some years after the Jodhpur city was founded on 12 May 1459. Father of Vir Durgadas Ratore was Aaskaran who was a Darbari of Jodhpur Maharaja Jaswant Singh. This village was a Jagir awarded to Aaskaran by Maharaja Jodhpur.

    After India’s independence on the occasion of Navratras the Rajputs of the village wanted to offer a goat as victim to a deity but Jats opposed it. There was a struggle between both communities and the Rajputs were driven out of the village. They moved out and settled at village Asarnada. There is no Rajput family in the village now.

    It is interesting to Note that [Wiki]Sikhi[/Wiki] (सीखी) Shikhi (शिखी) clan is found in Afghanistan.( [Wiki]An Inquiry Into the Ethnography of Afghanistan[/Wiki] By H. W. Bellew, The Oriental University Institute, Woking, 1891, p.137 )

    Sikhi In Mahabharata

    Udyoga Parva/Mahabharata Book V Chapter 103 mentions Names of famous Nagas of Bhogavati which include Shikhi.

    सुमनॊमुखॊ दधिमुखः शङ्खॊ नन्दॊपनन्दकौ ।
    आप्तः कॊटनकश चैव शिखी निष्ठूरिकस तथा ।Mahabharata (V.103.12)
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  5. #203
    Some findings on Meel Jat Gotra

    [Wiki]Meel[/Wiki] (मील) (Meal,Mil) is gotra of Jats found in Rajasthan and Haryana. Mil clan is found in Afghanistan.[1] Meel is a very prominent Jat Gotra in Rajasthan. We did not have much historical content about this Gotra. But over a period of time Jatland has been able to develop its History.

    Origin

    The inhabitants of place called Mihran (मिहरान) were known as Meel. [2]

    Meel is derived from word Mir as l and r are interchangeable.

    History

    According to Dr Mahendra Singh Arya etc. the inhabitants of place called Mihran were known as Meel. [3] Mihran is also the name of Sindhu in Multan. They find mention with Mandas. The Mandas in the later period are found settled in Punjab and Sindh in sixth/seventh centuries AD. Ibn Haukal says that “the infidels who inhabited Sindh, are called Budha and Mand.” “The Mands dwell on the banks of Mihran (Sindhu) river. From the boundary of Multan to the sea… They form a large population. [4], [5]

    Bhim Singh Dahiya's book "Aryan Tribes and the Rig Veda". mentions names of two seers Purumila (पुरुमील) and Ajamilah (आजमीळ्ह) showing its presence in Rigvedic times. (Rigveda:4/43-44). [6]

    [Wiki]Kolida[/Wiki]: The Capital of Meels

    They are found mainly in Jaipur, Sikar, Jhunjhunu, Nagaur districts in Rajasthan. They are in Hisar, Sirsa and Fatehabad Districts of Haryana.

    Maximum concentration of Meels is in Laxmangarh tahsil in Sikar district. Meel Jats had founded the village Bergaon, ancient name of Laxmangarh , where Rao Raja Laxman Singh of Sikar had built the Laxmangarh fort.[7] The ancient village Kolida in Sikar district is main village of Meel gotra Jats. All Meel Jats have migrated from this village. Kolida was the Capital of Meels. We get historical and inscriptional evidences of village Kolida.

    [Wiki]Harsha Inscription[/Wiki] of 961 AD of Chauhan dynasty mentions Kolira village.[8] The inscription tells us about genealogy of 6 princes of the same distinguished family whose head then held the neighbouring kingdom of Ajmer - the family of the Chauhan dynasty is continued from regularly from father to son starting from Guvaka and terminated in Sinharaja, in whose reign this work appears to have been commenced in AD 961.

    The Harsha inscription tells us names of villages which were donated by nearby Chauhan rulers or chieftains from their controlled area to the temple of Shiva at Harsh. Koli Kupakā donated by Jaya-Sri-raja has been identified with Kolida. We reproduce relevant line from verse XLVIII (L-38) of this inscription:

    "Likewise, the young prince, the blessed Jaya-Sri-raja, religiously bestowed on Harsha-deva, the village of Koli-kūpaka, whose revenues were received by himself."[9]

    In Chauhan History

    The appearance of name Kolida in Harsha Inscription of year 961 about the Chauhan Dynasty indicates their association with Chauhans.

    Dasharatha Sharma in book "Early Chauhan Dynasties" [P.171] while discussing Udayasimha Chauhan of Jalor writes that Iltutmish pushed on, and managed to reach Udayasimha's desert capital. ...Nearly five years later, perhaps in V. 1278 (1221 AD) when Iltutmish once again assumed the offensive against Rajasthan. Dasharatha Sharma (P.171,f.n.32) writes that the drama gives the name of the Muslim invader as Milachchhrikara (मीलच्छ्रिकार), which Dr. G.H. Ojha equates with Amir-i-shikar, a title once borne by Iltutmish. Drs.D.R. Barnett and H.C, Ray object to the identification, saying that Milachchhrikara cannot phonetically be the Sanskritised form of Amir-i-shikar. It is no doubt so; but it can be easily the Paisachi form of Mir-i-shikar. The Muslim ruler and his minister talk with each other in Paishachi; so it is only natural that he should have a Paisachi name. The dramatist changes Mir into Mila and shikar into chhrikara through the intermediate Sanskritised form Shrikara (Sikar?). The usual sandhi rules thereafter give us the Milachchhrikara, actually used in the drama. As regards the date of this expedition we put it about V. 1278 (1221 A.D.)

    There can be two explanations of this name Milachchhrikara:

    We may consider that Milachchhrikara may be a combination of [Wiki]Mila[/Wiki] (मील) + [Wiki]Chhikara[/Wiki] (छिकार) = Milachchhrikara (मीलच्छ्रिकार), representing the combined forces of the two clans. [Wiki]Meel[/Wiki] and [Wiki]Chhikara[/Wiki] are two well known clans of Jats found in this area of Rajasthan and Haryana.

    Secondly In Sanskrit Milachchhrikara may be interpreted this way also:

    Mila + Shrikara = Milashshrikara. Milashshrikara might have changed to Milachchhrikara in prakrat language.

    Shrikara (श्रीकर) is the sanskritized form of Sikar. Thus this sanskrit term means 'The Meels of Sikar'.

    Meels in Jakhar History

    We get some evidences about Meel clan from the history of Jakhar clan. Jakhars had a small republic state in Jangladesh area of Rajasthan. Bigga Ji Jakhar (1301 - 1336) rose to the status of a folk-deity of Jangladesh who was ruler of Riri. Riri is an old town in tahsil Dungargarh of the Bikaner district in Rajasthan. Biggaji was married to Meera daughter of Chaudhary Khidaji Meel of Malasar (Molaniya). Malasar village at present is in Bikaner tehsil, Bikaner district, Rajasthan. This shows the dominance of Meels in 12-13th century around Bikaner area.

    In Afghan History

    H. W. Bellew[10] writes that The eleventh satrapy of Darius, Herodotus says, comprised the Kaspioi, Pausikai, Pantimathoi, and Daritai.(H. W. Bellew, p.140).

    H. W. Bellew has mentioned quoting Strabo as one of those Skythian tribes who deprived the Greeks of Baktriana. Speaking of the Skythians, Strabo says (Geog. xi. 8):

    " The best known tribes are those who deprived the Greeks of Baktriana, the Arioi, Pasianoi, Tokharoi and Sakarauloi, who came from the country beyond the Jaxartes, opposite the Sakai and Sogdianoi, and which country was also occupied by Sakai." (H. W. Bellew,p.142).

    Out of these mentioned by Strabo, The Arienoi are also mentioned in the Bassarica of Denis of Samos along with the Kaspeiri and the Kossai (Kashuri and Khasa), who were the original people of Kasperia (Kashur, or Kashmir), as the same author observes. The Indian affinities of the clans are shown in view The list of their tribes includes many Indian tribes along with Mil. (H. W. Bellew,p.145)

    References

    1. ↑ An Inquiry Into the Ethnography of Afghanistan By H. W. Bellew, The Oriental University Institute, Woking, 1891, p.145
    2. ↑ Dr Mahendra Singh Arya, Dharmpal Singh Dudee, Kishan Singh Faujdar & Vijendra Singh Narwar: Ādhunik Jat Itihasa (The modern history of Jats), Agra 1998, p. 274
    3. ↑ Dr Mahendra Singh Arya, Dharmpal Singh Dudee, Kishan Singh Faujdar & Vijendra Singh Narwar: Ādhunik Jat Itihasa (The modern history of Jats), Agra 1998, p. 274
    4. ↑ Elliot and Dowson, op. cit., Vol. I, p. 38
    5. ↑ Bhim Singh Dahiya, Jats the Ancient Rulers, p. 136
    6. ↑ नरो यद वाम अश्विना सतोमम आवन सधस्तुतिम आजमीळ्हासो अग्मन Rigveda 4-44
    7. ↑ Mansukh Ranwa:Amar Shaheed Lothoo Jat (अमर शहीद लोटू जाट), 2000, p. 12
    8. ↑ Sikar Ki Kahani, Captain Webb Ki Jubani, 2009, p. 79
    9. ↑ L-38:[*तथा युवरा]ज: श्रीजयश्रीराज स्वभुज्यमानकोलिकूपग्रामं भक्तया हर्षदेवाय शासनेन दत्तवान् ।
    10. ↑ An Inquiry Into the Ethnography of Afghanistan By H. W. Bellew, The Oriental University Institute, Woking, 1891, p.145
    11. ↑ Dr Mahendra Singh Arya, Dharmpal Singh Dudee, Kishan Singh Faujdar & Vijendra Singh Narwar: Ādhunik Jat Itihasa (The modern history of Jats), Agra 1998, p. 355

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    Note - You may find more on Jatland Wiki at - [Wiki]Meel[/Wiki]
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  7. #204
    Quote Originally Posted by lrburdak View Post
    Ravinderji
    Hardeepji has quoted above from Jatland itself:

    "Later to minimize the influence of Buddhism and Jainism in India, the Brahmans organized a grand yagya at mount Abu in Rajasthan, which continued for 40 days. Almost all the ruling clans attended this yagya. The ruling clans which took part in this yagya were titled as ‘Rajputs’. Four Kshatriyas appeared from the agnikunda namely, Solankis, Pratiharas, Chauhans and Paramaras. They were termed, "Agnivanshi Kshatriyas". "

    It explains that Rajput is a Sub-Union (subgroup) of Ancient Jats in terms of mathematical language.
    Burdak ji, whats the story behind this legend? How much myth and how much historical fact?
    Pagdi Sambhal Jatta..!

  8. #205
    Quote Originally Posted by lrburdak View Post
    Ravinderji
    Hardeepji has quoted above from Jatland itself:

    "Later to minimize the influence of Buddhism and Jainism in India, the Brahmans organized a grand yagya at mount Abu in Rajasthan, which continued for 40 days. Almost all the ruling clans attended this yagya. The ruling clans which took part in this yagya were titled as ‘Rajputs’. Four Kshatriyas appeared from the agnikunda namely, Solankis, Pratiharas, Chauhans and Paramaras. They were termed, "Agnivanshi Kshatriyas". "

    It explains that Rajput is a Sub-Union (subgroup) of Ancient Jats in terms of mathematical language.
    The origin of the story of 'AGNIKOOLA THEORY OF THE ORIGIN OF THE RAJPUTS' could be traced to the story contained in 'Prithvi Raj Raso' by Chandrabradai, the bard and court poet of Prithviraj Chohan, the last Hindu ruler of Delhi, who lost battle of Terrain in 1192 AD to M. Ghauri. It is also supported by evidence contained in numerous inscriptions of medieval India.
    And it definitely points to Brahminisation or Aryanisation by the priests through purifying act performed on those people who did not ascribe to their beliefs to bring them in their fold. It was a sort of practice of Shudhikaran performed by the Arya Samajists in the previous century to reconvert non Hindus.
    Thanks
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  10. #206
    Quote Originally Posted by swaich View Post
    Burdak ji, whats the story behind this legend? How much myth and how much historical fact?
    Dr. Dashrath Sharma, a prominent historian has studied the theory from all its angles and dimensions in First Volume of the History of Rajasthan through the Ages and has confirmed holding of the ceremony of Yajana at Mount Abu. Dr. BS Dahiya in his book Jats- the Ancient Rulers has also discussed the issue on the basis of literary and archaeological sources.

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  12. #207
    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    The origin of the story of 'AGNIKOOLA THEORY OF THE ORIGIN OF THE RAJPUTS' could be traced to the story contained in 'Prithvi Raj Raso' by Chandrabradai, the bard and court poet of Prithviraj Chohan, the last Hindu ruler of Delhi, who lost battle of Terrain in 1192 AD to M. Ghauri. It is also supported by evidence contained in numerous inscriptions of medieval India.
    And it definitely points to Brahminisation or Aryanisation by the priests through purifying act performed on those people who did not ascribe to their beliefs to bring them in their fold. It was a sort of practice of Shudhikaran performed by the Arya Samajists in the previous century to reconvert non Hindus.
    Thanks
    Is there a timeline attached to this event, whereby one could settle on a probable date around which such an event occurred? This could also help answer questions around when the Rajput group broke off from the larger Jat fold as believed by many.
    Pagdi Sambhal Jatta..!

  13. #208
    Some historians interpret this as suggestive of Indo-Scythian origin because this place was entrance gateway for Scythic groups in India. In fact lineage of all 36 Rajput rajcula has been traced to Indo-scythic races.

    Historically it was the process of returning back to Hindu fold of the Kshatriyas who had adopted Buddhism and left the vedic traditions.

    Rajasthan was ruled by large number of small democratic republics of various Jat clans and other tribes. These republics were there till the rule of Harshavardhana. After the fall Harsha in 647 AD, the Jat republics weakened due to invasions by Mugals, Turks, Muslims and Yavanas. In the sixth and seventh century when new Agnikula clan of Rajputs was created in Mount Abu, many of the Jat clans merged in them. Some Jat Gotras joined or merged with the Pratihara Confederation. But Majority of Jat Clans merged with Chauhans. Though these Jat clans existed earlier but the newly created system of recording their ancestry i.e. Badwas, Bhats, Jagas etc. started recording their ancestry from the point of creation of Agnikula Kshatriyas. Later on they credited the origin of these Jat clans from the respective Agnikula Kshatriya which is wrong and distorted fact.
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  15. #209
    The Kator Jat clan

    H. W. Bellew writes that Katar, or [Wiki]Kator[/Wiki] is the same people as the Katoran or Katorman, who established a Turk dynasty which ruled contemporaneously in two branches at Kabul and Peshawar respectively, from the beginning of the fifth to the latter part of the ninth century, when, after losing much of their power and territory to the Tuar Rajput kings of Delhi, they were finally overthrown by them and the Ghaznavis. Under the rule of the Kator Yuechi (Getai or Jata) Buddhism was the religion of the country, but during the century or so of Tuar Rajput sovereignty, Brahminism was the dominant religion, till the Hindu was finally dispossessed by Sabaktagin, who founded the Ghaznavi Turk dynasty. The Shah Katori of Kashkar and Chitral, who, as above suggested, represent the Sakarauloi of Strabo, are the same people as the Katar of Kafiristan, the name of which country was formerly Kator ; at least in the time of Tamerlane, the beginning of the fifteenth century. ( [Wiki]An Inquiry Into the Ethnography of Afghanistan[/Wiki] By H. W. Bellew, The Oriental University Institute, Woking, 1891, p.146 )
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  17. #210
    Quote Originally Posted by swaich View Post
    Is there a timeline attached to this event, whereby one could settle on a probable date around which such an event occurred? This could also help answer questions around when the Rajput group broke off from the larger Jat fold as believed by many.

    Friend,

    This incident might have occurred prior to the times of Chandrabardai's writing of Prithviraj Raso (c. 1192 A D ).

    Dr. Parmatma Saran has exhaustively dealt with the issue and has arrived at the conclusion that the term 'Rajput' as generic term denoting 'Rajput Caste' or 'Rajput Community' came into vogue around 8th century A.D. Earlier the sanskrit word 'Rajputra' was used to describe the sons of the rulers.

    The issue of Agnikoola Rajput origin does not denote that all the present day clans of the Rajputs sprang from Mount Abu Yagana fire; they were only four in number as described by Burdakji in an earlier post. All the Rajput clans have been dealt with by Col. James Todd in his Annals and Antiquities of the Rajputana written at Udaipur while staying as a guest of the then Sisodia ruler of Mewar in around 1828 AD.
    On Publication of the Annals the Rajput rulers were shocked by the findings of Todd that they were off springs of the Indo Scythians, Hunas, Kushanas and the like and were not all of them belonged to Suryavamsa or Chandravamsa but also belonged to Agnikula.

    Dr. H.C. Gaurishankar Ojha was pressed into service once again by the Sisodia ruler, who proved that Rajputs are the true descendants of the original inhabitants and are Suryavamshi and Chandravamsi Aryans.

    V A Smith and Alexander Cunningham as well as D. Ibetson have also dealt with the issue in their treatises.

    Thanks.

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  19. #211
    H. W. Bellew writes that At the present day the ruling family in Kashkar is of the Kator tribe ; the senior branch of the family being designated Shah Katori, and the junior Khushwakhti. The Kator are spread all over Kashkar as a privileged class, their principal clan being the [Wiki]Sangalya[/Wiki]. In subordination to them, and also a privileged class paying no taxes nor revenue. ([Wiki]An Inquiry Into the Ethnography of Afghanistan[/Wiki] By H. W. Bellew, The Oriental University Institute, Woking, 1891, p.147 )

    As we have already mentioned Kator is a Jat clan. Here the clan [Wiki]Sangalya[/Wiki] is also mentioned.

    Interestingly Sangalya (सांगल्या) or Sangaliya (सांगलिया) is a village in Danta Ramgarh tahsil in Sikar district of Rajasthan. It has Kulhari, Burdak, Legha, Mali clans.

    The village [Wiki]Sangaliya[/Wiki] is associated with history of Kulhari Jat gotra. Kulhari is a branch of Johiya Jats. Kulhari jats ruled in Marwar area in 11th to 12th century. Bahipal was their king and Kot-Marot was their capital. There was a fort also at Kot-Marot. Bahipal had a war with the subedar of Hisar in which he lost his kingdom.

    Bahipal moved to Kathod and established a new kingdom there. Kathod is about 22 km from Ajmer. The descendants of Bahipal constructed a fort at Koliya. The Raja of Koyal pattan arrested the Kulahari jats. Myth is that their Kuldevi Pada got them released. After that the Kulhari Jats made Didwana as their capital. They established at Didwana statues of Bahipal and the Kuldevi Pada.

    One group of these people went to Sangaliya and from there to Bosana, Chudi and Sangasi. Shekhawat Rajputs annexed their state. Rathore Rajputs annexed the Didwana area.
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  21. #212
    Quote Originally Posted by lrburdak View Post
    Some historians interpret this as suggestive of Indo-Scythian origin because this place was entrance gateway for Scythic groups in India. In fact lineage of all 36 Rajput rajcula has been traced to Indo-scythic races.

    Historically it was the process of returning back to Hindu fold of the Kshatriyas who had adopted Buddhism and left the vedic traditions.

    Rajasthan was ruled by large number of small democratic republics of various Jat clans and other tribes. These republics were there till the rule of Harshavardhana. After the fall Harsha in 647 AD, the Jat republics weakened due to invasions by Mugals, Turks, Muslims and Yavanas. In the sixth and seventh century when new Agnikula clan of Rajputs was created in Mount Abu, many of the Jat clans merged in them. Some Jat Gotras joined or merged with the Pratihara Confederation. But Majority of Jat Clans merged with Chauhans. Though these Jat clans existed earlier but the newly created system of recording their ancestry i.e. Badwas, Bhats, Jagas etc. started recording their ancestry from the point of creation of Agnikula Kshatriyas. Later on they credited the origin of these Jat clans from the respective Agnikula Kshatriya which is wrong and distorted fact.
    Friend,

    You have rightly nailed the problem in the head.

    By the advent of 10th century many rulers and ruling elite of northern India had moved away from Hinduism and some of them had definitely adopted Jainism as is revealed by several Jain monuments of the period. Jain Temples of DILWARA and remains of temples at OSIAN in Mewar testify this fact.

    The onslaught of the Muslim invaders and moving away of the ruling elite from Hinduism sent shivers in the minds of the brahmins of further loosing their privileged position among the Hindu society. Kumaril Bhatta and Shankracharya had initiated the process of revival of Hinduism in other parts of the country to consolidate the Hinduism by bringing back people who had earlier deserted it.

    In Rajputana [old name of Rajasthan], the Brahmins are said to have enticed some of the then kshatriyas and some other tribal folks like bhils and minas and also many more living in the surrounding area of the the place where the yajana was organised to their fold by holding the mount Abu Yajana and they were given honorific names of four Rajput Vir Prushas. Thus the story of Agnikoola is said to have come into existence.

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  23. #213
    Quote Originally Posted by lrburdak View Post
    Some historians interpret this as suggestive of Indo-Scythian origin because this place was entrance gateway for Scythic groups in India. In fact lineage of all 36 Rajput rajcula has been traced to Indo-scythic races.

    Historically it was the process of returning back to Hindu fold of the Kshatriyas who had adopted Buddhism and left the vedic traditions.

    Rajasthan was ruled by large number of small democratic republics of various Jat clans and other tribes. These republics were there till the rule of Harshavardhana. After the fall Harsha in 647 AD, the Jat republics weakened due to invasions by Mugals, Turks, Muslims and Yavanas. In the sixth and seventh century when new Agnikula clan of Rajputs was created in Mount Abu, many of the Jat clans merged in them. Some Jat Gotras joined or merged with the Pratihara Confederation. But Majority of Jat Clans merged with Chauhans. Though these Jat clans existed earlier but the newly created system of recording their ancestry i.e. Badwas, Bhats, Jagas etc. started recording their ancestry from the point of creation of Agnikula Kshatriyas. Later on they credited the origin of these Jat clans from the respective Agnikula Kshatriya which is wrong and distorted fact.
    Burdak ji, there around a 300 yr gap between the fall of Harsha's empire in 647 and the first Arab/Muslim invasion around 900 AD. If the first Arab invasion hadnt happened untill 900 AD, why was there a need to create a new community of warriors? And who are the Yavanas here?

    EDIT: The first Arab incursion occurred around 740 AD. My info was wrong. Please disregard my question.
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  25. #214
    Quote Originally Posted by swaich View Post
    Burdak ji, there around a 300 yr gap between the fall of Harsha's empire in 647 and the first Arab/Muslim invasion around 900 AD. If the first Arab invasion hadnt happened untill 900 AD, why was there a need to create a new community of warriors? And who are the Yavanas here?

    EDIT: The first Arab incursion occurred around 740 AD. My info was wrong. Please disregard my question.
    Friend,

    Minor correction. Mohd. Qasim invaded India in 712 A D.


    The fall of Harsha's empire led to realignment of regional forces to fill the political vacuum and this interregnum was used by the regional forces to align and re-alignthemselves against the neighbouring forces to face the invaders towards which Burdak ji seems to have hinted in his post.

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  27. #215
    Bashgali Jat clan in Afghanistan

    [Wiki]Bashgali[/Wiki] (बशगली) (Bash) Jat clan is found in Afghanistan.

    Bashgali is partly converted to Islam. Their women wear the horned head-dress which was peculiar to the ancient Jata of Kashghar. The proper name of this tribe is Bash or Posh, which represents the Pausikai of Herodotus, and Pasianoi of Strabo, and the Paishae of the Afghans. ( An Inquiry Into the Ethnography of Afghanistan By H. W. Bellew, The Oriental University Institute, Woking, 1891, p.146 )

    Bashgali Kafir inhabit the country north of the Waegali, the valleys running south-east from Hindu Kush to the Kunar river at Birkot, and represent a tribe of different stock from the Rajput and Indian races. Biddulph says, the Kafir are separable into three main tribes, viz. : the Rumgali or Lumgali (Lughmani) who inhabit the upper valleys running south-west from Hindu Kush ; the Waegali, who inhabit the valleys running south-east from Hindu Kush to Kunar Valley at Chaghan Sarae ; and the Bashgali who inhabit the upper valleys farther north, running south-east to Kunar Valley at Birkot. These divisions may mean, Rumgali (Ramakula, or Ramadeva, Rahtor), Rajput tribes ; Bashgali (Bash-kula, or Pashae, or Pausikai) Skythian Jata tribes ; and Waegali (Bai-kula, or Boioi), Greek tribes.( An Inquiry Into the Ethnography of Afghanistan By H. W. Bellew, The Oriental University Institute, Woking, 1891, p.1467)
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  29. #216
    Quote Originally Posted by ravinderjeet View Post
    कोई भी जाट गोत्र राजपूत से निकला हे ,की थ्यूरी गलत हे ,जो ब्राह्मणों और भाटों द्वारा फेलाई गई हे ,इसका विरोध होना चाहिए | राजपूत भगोड़े जाट हैं |
    After the Rajputs acquired political ascendancy, the Bards [court singers] and Bhatts spread the canard of this type which continued to spread through the length and breadth of the region inhabited by various peoples belonging to other castes and communities. Since with the assumption of political power with control over means of production i.e. land used for cultivation and grazing of animals their supremacy in social heirarchy was established. This started the phenomenon of upward and downward mobilisation of caste heirarchy in the Indian society.

    The phenomenon of upward and downward mobilisation of caste heirarcy in society continues and can be witnessed in the present scenario of Indian social system though factors influencing it have changed as per the socio economic and political features effecting modern times!

    Gradually to rise on the ladder of social heirarchy some people even among the Jats began to believe in the bardic stories and this has caused the distortion in history of social system of India. The situation has come to such a pass that one fails to recognise or understand where the myth starts and where the history ends. None is in a position to say a final word with certainty in such a perplexing position !

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  31. #217
    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    Friend,

    This incident might have occurred prior to the times of Chandrabardai's writing of Prithviraj Raso (c. 1192 A D ).
    Dr Rajpal Singh,

    Are you sure the date of Raso is 1192?
    - Naveen Rao

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  33. #218
    Quote Originally Posted by nrao View Post
    Dr Rajpal Singh,

    Are you sure the date of Raso is 1192?
    Friend,

    Read my previous post and my answer is there:

    "This incident might have occurred prior to the times of Chandrabardai's writing of Prithviraj Raso (c. 1192 A D )."

    'Might have' and 'c.1192 AD ' denote probability not fixed date or time.

    This surmise is based on the fact that according to Indian sources, Chandrabardai along with his patron were captured by the victors and carried to Ghazni where both of them died. Hence, the book might have been compiled/composed prior to that time!

    For further details kindly turn to the pages of relevant literature; a great deal of research findings have already appeared on the topic for which your attention is drawn to research books, articles and literary sources dealing with History of Medieval Rajasthan.

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  35. #219
    Sinsinwar clan and Shin God of Bharatpur Rulers

    We read in the early history of Bharatpur Rulers that A group of Yadavas came from Sindh to Brij area and occupied Bayana in Bharatpur district in Rajasthan. After some struggle the 'Balai' inhabitants were forced by Shodeo and Saini rulers to move out of Brij land and thus they occupied large areas. 'Saur Saini' was changed to 'Shin-Shoor' or 'Sinsini' after their God 'Shin'. These people of [Wiki]Sinsini[/Wiki] were called [Wiki]Sinsinwar[/Wiki].

    We find from the study of [Wiki]An Inquiry Into the Ethnography of Afghanistan[/Wiki] By H. W. Bellew that Shin was a country and tribe in Afghanistan and Shina was their language.

    H. W. Bellew[p.154] writes that The Shin country is called Shinkari and comprises a tract of that name on both sides the Indus ; that on the east bank being a part of Pakli, and inhabited now by Afghan tribes, Swatis and others ; whilst that on the opposite west bank, between Gor and Ghorband, is inhabited by the independent Shin. A notable peculiarity of the Shin is their aversion to the cow and its productions, and to the domestic fowl also, both of which they consider unclean and will not touch, though they have for several generations past professed Islam. The Shin are described as of inferior caste to the Rono ; but they consider themselves of a superior race, despise labour and handicrafts, and look upon hunting and agriculture as the only honourable pursuits. In Baltistan, where they are subordinate to the Tatar occupants, the Shin are called Brokpa, " Highlander," by the Balti Tatar ; but they call themselves Rom.

    H. W. Bellew[p.150] thinks that The Shin of Gilgit and Dardistan represent the China named by Manu amongst the races of the Kshatriya class, or Rajput, who by their neglect of Brahmanism, gradually sunk to the Sudra class, the lowest of the four classes of Hindus. The China who thus lapsed from the Kshatriya to the Sudra class are named by Manu along with the Parada, Pahlava, Kirata, Darada, and Khasa ; all which races inhabited the mountainous country between Kabul and Kashmir in which Buddhism long held its strongest sway.
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    Laxman Burdak

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  37. #220
    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    Friend,

    You have rightly nailed the problem in the head.

    By the advent of 10th century many rulers and ruling elite of northern India had moved away from Hinduism and some of them had definitely adopted Jainism as is revealed by several Jain monuments of the period. Jain Temples of DILWARA and remains of temples at OSIAN in Mewar testify this fact.

    The onslaught of the Muslim invaders and moving away of the ruling elite from Hinduism sent shivers in the minds of the brahmins of further loosing their privileged position among the Hindu society. Kumaril Bhatta and Shankracharya had initiated the process of revival of Hinduism in other parts of the country to consolidate the Hinduism by bringing back people who had earlier deserted it.

    In Rajputana [old name of Rajasthan], the Brahmins are said to have enticed some of the then kshatriyas and some other tribal folks like bhils and minas and also many more living in the surrounding area of the the place where the yajana was organised to their fold by holding the mount Abu Yajana and they were given honorific names of four Rajput Vir Prushas. Thus the story of Agnikoola is said to have come into existence.

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    राजपूतों में लगभग २०० जातियां हैं ,जिनमे राजपूताने के राजपूत अपने आप को उंचा मानते हैं , माउंट आबू के यज के पश्चात अनेक जातियां राजपूतों में शामिल होती चली गई | जो जाती जितनी बाद में शामिल होई उस जाती को उतना नीचा स्थान मिला | सबसे नया उधाहरण डोगराओं का हे जो पिछले ५०-१०० सालों से अपने आप को राजपूत कहने लगे हैं |
    :rockwhen you found a key to success,some ideot change the lock,*******BREAK THE DOOR.
    हक़ मांगने से नहीं मिलता , छिना जाता हे |
    अहिंसा कमजोरों का हथियार हे |
    पगड़ी संभाल जट्टा |
    मौत नु आंगालियाँ पे नचांदे , ते आपां जाट कुहांदे |

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