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Thread: Join Baba Ramdev in Bhrashtachar Mitao Satyagraha - 4th June 2011

  1. #41
    Better late than never. A good step being taken to clean corruption from our country. Let's all support the Baba Ramdevji.

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  5. #43
    Last edited by kuldeeppunia25; June 2nd, 2011 at 06:41 PM.
    चालना राही का, चाहे फेर क्यूं ना हो । बैठना भाइयाँ का, चाहे बैर क्यूं ना हो ।।




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  7. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by annch View Post
    Excellent article. Ramdev's conundrum is intended to torpedo his perceived rival-apparent Anna's negotiations with government to hammer out the Lok Pal issue which now seems to have run into rough weather. Ram has cleverly tried to mix some other issues also like a hate compaign against English and advocacy of education in Indian vernaculars etc. to hoodwink people that he has a broader agenda than that of Anna. Congress is the net beneficiary of this melodrama.

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  9. #45
    VP Sir, the sad part is that common man will surely get lost in these machinations!
    Quote Originally Posted by vpsingh View Post
    Excellent article. Ramdev's conundrum is intended to torpedo his perceived rival-apparent Anna's negotiations with government to hammer out the Lok Pal issue which now seems to have run into rough weather. Ram has cleverly tried to mix some other issues also like a hate compaign against English and advocacy of education in Indian vernaculars etc. to hoodwink people that he has a broader agenda than that of Anna. Congress is the net beneficiary of this melodrama.

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  11. #46
    Quote Originally Posted by annch View Post
    VP Sir, the sad part is that common man will surely get lost in these machinations!
    Very true.

  12. #47
    Quote Originally Posted by kuldeeppunia25 View Post
    An excellent article. The writer has, however, tried to save Ramdev on the issue of exclusion of PM and CJI from the purview of Lokpal. In his initial utterances the tone and tenor of Ramdev was clearly in favour of not including these two in the ambit of Lok Pal. The subsequent statements being attributed to him by the author in his article is a volte face. Moreover, issue of retrieval of black money and corruption are inseparable issues as against author's viewpoint. Mixing so many issues at this juncture would only make the Lok Pal prospects bleak and need of the hour is a unified campaign without nurturing any ambitions of one-upmanship.
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  14. #48
    This was height of cheapness on the part of this government to send four Ministers to see Ramdev at airport. Which protocol prompted them to do so, is incomprehensible. There could be a deep conspiracy behind their wooing of Ramdev. Either the government is spineless or it has intentions to hush up the matter of corruption and black money.

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  16. #49
    Quote Originally Posted by annch View Post
    The article is elitist. I would ask the counter question- why are two left-wing lawyers led by someone wearing Gandhi cap better than a saffron clad yoga guru? Is it just that the former appeal much more to the pseudo-secular lefties who start getting jittery seeing any cultural symbol representing the majority?

    Truth is that both Baba and Anna are making false promises of Utopia. In fact, once you get over the demands that are universally agreeable like "remove corruption", and get to the details of their demands, they are quite scary. I am not going to talk about the individuals here, maybe both of them are excellent characters in all respects and have best of intentions. But the path to hell can be laid with best of intentions. Hardly any so-called supporters of Anna's so-called movement actually bothered to understand the Lok Pal draft. They just imagine that a superman like Lokpal would come and wipe out corruption like All-Out wipes out mosquitoes (in its advertisments). You know where else we see narratives of such brilliant super-men- in dictatorships. Baba has gone a step ahead and demanded anything that he could imagine. But I'd still have respect for him if he enters electoral arena to deliver the change he is promising. That is the way to do it in democracy.

  17. #50
    You may be right. I read the article not as who is the better leader/person, better in the democracy, but as-who does Congress (elitist?) consider better/easier enemy to win over. And promise of utopia works, irrespective of ideologies, till the reality bites, and then we will go looking for a change. Again.
    Quote Originally Posted by kapdal View Post
    The article is elitist. I would ask the counter question- why are two left-wing lawyers led by someone wearing Gandhi cap better than a saffron clad yoga guru? Is it just that the former appeal much more to the pseudo-secular lefties who start getting jittery seeing any cultural symbol representing the majority?

    Truth is that both Baba and Anna are making false promises of Utopia. In fact, once you get over the demands that are universally agreeable like "remove corruption", and get to the details of their demands, they are quite scary. I am not going to talk about the individuals here, maybe both of them are excellent characters in all respects and have best of intentions. But the path to hell can be laid with best of intentions. Hardly any so-called supporters of Anna's so-called movement actually bothered to understand the Lok Pal draft. They just imagine that a superman like Lokpal would come and wipe out corruption like All-Out wipes out mosquitoes (in its advertisments). You know where else we see narratives of such brilliant super-men- in dictatorships. Baba has gone a step ahead and demanded anything that he could imagine. But I'd still have respect for him if he enters electoral arena to deliver the change he is promising. That is the way to do it in democracy.

  18. #51
    चालना राही का, चाहे फेर क्यूं ना हो । बैठना भाइयाँ का, चाहे बैर क्यूं ना हो ।।




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    Quote Originally Posted by kuldeeppunia25 View Post
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    :rockwhen you found a key to success,some ideot change the lock,*******BREAK THE DOOR.
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  22. #53
    अगर सहमति न बनी तो सरकार उन्हें अनशन से रोकने के लिए कानून का सहारा भी ले सकती है। सूत्रों का कहना है कि रामदेव ने यहां पर 4 जून से 20 दिन का योग शिविर चलाने की अनुमति मांगी है न कि अनशन की। इस आधार पर गृह मंत्रालय सीधे दिल्ली पुलिस को कार्रवाई के लिए कह सकता है।
    दरअसल, सिविल सोसाइटी में फूट डालने की कोशिशों का दांव सरकार को उल्टा पड़ गया है। अभूतपूर्व स्वागत और सरकारी तवज्जो से बाबा तो पसीजे नहीं, उल्टे समाजसेवी अन्ना हजारे ने भी उन्हें समर्थन देकर सरकार का टेंशन बढ़ा दिया। सरकार बेहिचक मान रही कि बाबा का अनशन अगर शुरू हुआ तो राजधानी में भीड़ संभालना मुश्किल होगा। वहीं, लोकपाल विधेयक पर सरकार के रुख से चोट खाई टीम अन्ना भी बाबा के साथ खुलकर खड़ी हो गई है। इन हालात के मद्देनजर पहले प्रधानमंत्री की अध्यक्षता में कैबिनेट, फिर कांग्रेस अध्यक्ष सोनिया गांधी की मौजूदगी में कांग्रेस की कोर कमेटी और आखिर में प्रणब मुखर्जी के साथ नॉर्थ ब्लाक में कपिल सिब्बल, पवन बंसल और सुबोधकांत सहाय देर रात तक इस मसले की काट ढूढ़ते रहे।
    बंसल ने बाद में कहा भी कि 'रामदेव जी भी काला धन वापस लाने पर गंभीर हैं और सरकार भी तो मुद्दे को सुलटाने में कोई दिक्कत नहीं आएगी।' गुरुवार को दोपहर में बाबा रामदेव से कनॉट प्लेस में उनके पुराने मित्र सुबोधकांत सहाय ने मुलाकात की। इसके बाद रामदेव की प्रेसवार्ता भी सरकार ने बातचीत को आगे बढ़ाने के मुद्दे पर स्थगित करवा दी।
    प्रणब का एयरपोर्ट जाना कांग्रसियों को भी खला
    प्रणब मुखर्जी सरीखे वरिष्ठ नेता का योग गुरु रामदेव को मनाने के लिए दिल्ली एयरपोर्ट पर जाना कांग्रेसियों को भी नहीं सुहाया है। गुरुवार को कुछ वरिष्ठ कांग्रेसियों ने उनसे शिकायत भी कर दी-'प्रणब दा कम से कम आपको एयरपोर्ट नहीं जाना चाहिए था।'
    योग गुरु के आगे तकरीबन दंडवत की मुद्रा में आई केंद्र सरकार ने बुधवार को उन्हें किसी देश के राष्ट्राध्यक्ष जैसा सम्मान दे दिया था। वित्ता मंत्री प्रणब मुखर्जी, कपिल सिब्बल और पवन बंसल को बाबा रामदेव की अगवानी करने नई दिल्ली एयरपोर्ट भेज दिया। कई वरिष्ठ कांग्रेसी इसे फजीहत मान रहे हैं, क्षुब्ध हैं। लिहाजा उन्होंने गुरुवार को यह मुद्दा वित्ता मंत्री प्रणब मुखर्जी के सामने उठा दिया। दर्द तो प्रणब मुखर्जी का भी छलक आया, लेकिन वह सिर्फ इतना ही कह पाए-'क्या करता, मैं भी मजबूर था।' उनका इशारा 7-रेसकोर्स की ओर था।
    चालना राही का, चाहे फेर क्यूं ना हो । बैठना भाइयाँ का, चाहे बैर क्यूं ना हो ।।




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  24. #54
    भारतीय जनता राजनीति के चौराहे पर असमंजस में खड़ी है कि यहाँ से किस और जाये i एक छोर पर दक्षिणपंथी ताकतें उन्हें राष्ट्रवाद के नाम पर भड़काऊ और लुभावने गीत और राम लला की आरती सुनाकर अपनी और खींचने के प्रयास में है वहीँ मरणासन्न वामपंथ उन्हें पूंजीवादी शोषण, धार्मिक कठमुल्लापन और अमरीकी साम्राज्यवाद से बचने की घिसी पिटी तक़रीर सुना कर उनका मन बहलाने की कोशिश कर रहा है i इन दोनों धडों के बीच सत्ताधारी दल अपनी धर्मनिरपेक्ष छवि और गाँधीवाद की दुहाई देकर देश की सत्ता पर अपना पुश्तैनी हक़ जता रही है i भ्रष्टाचार अपनी चरम सीमा पर है और लोगों के पास कोई विकल्प नहीं है i इस परिस्थिति का लाभ रामदेव को मिलना स्वाभाविक है i अगर रामदेव रामलीला मैदान में दंड पेलकर भ्रष्टाचार मिटा सके तो बहुत अच्छी बात है और यह एक बहुत बड़ा चमत्कार ही माना जायेगा i परन्तु भ्रष्टाचार हमारी सोच और व्यवहार में इतनी गहरी पैठ बना चुका है कि जब तक लोगों में चारित्रिक परिवर्तन नहीं होगा, यह बीमारी मिटने वाली नहीं i सरकार अलबत्ता दबाव जरूर महसूस कर रही है और हो सकता है इस दबाव में आकर सरकार को कुछ अच्छे कदम भी उठाने पड़ सकते हैं जिससे भ्रष्टाचार को लगाम लगाने में कुछ फायदा हो i लेकिन सरकार की आवभगत से प्रभावित होकर अगर रामदेव ने अन्ना के खिलाफ कोई सौदेबाजी कर ली तो फिर भ्रष्टाचार विरोधी आन्दोलन को एक भारी झटका लग सकता है और इस फूट का फायदा भ्रष्ट राजनेताओं के लिए एक बिन माँगा वरदान ही होगा i

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  26. #55
    ये लोमड नेता किम्मे ना होवण दें | सब दिखावा करें सें आर आपना बखत काधन लाग रे सें | कई पकडे गए नेता ने इशारा कर्या स अक पिस्सा उप्पर ताहि गया स | मतलब सोनिया धोरे भी भेली पोंची स | उह पे भी तो कार्यवाई अर जांच होणी चाहिए | बाड खेत नु खावन लागरी स |
    :rockwhen you found a key to success,some ideot change the lock,*******BREAK THE DOOR.
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  28. #56
    Sahi kaha aapne Ravindra Jeet singh Ji ! Sonia ne to itna paisa bana liya hoga ki wo ek naye Italy ka nirmaan kar sakti hai....
    ye Bharat kee janata kee moorkhta nahi to aur kya hai? ek videshi ko Bharat 'SIRMOUR' banaya hua hai....Ye Bharat ka durbhagya hee hai....
    India and Israel (Hindus & Jews) are true friends in this World. Both are Long Live and yes also both have survived and surviving under adverse conditions.

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  30. #57
    Quote Originally Posted by prashantacmet View Post
    There is no way to get the money stashed in swiss bank legally.....swiss bank has the right not to reveal account holder name to any person/government. so what baba wants..arrest the possible culprits and torture them to get their secret swiss serial number??....and how these "possible culprits" will be identified??..............wait and see ..I guess this strike will not garner enough support from the masses.....tai tai fiss hoga is andolan ka
    Swiss bank has already revealed the names of many people. However, it's the corrupt government which is unwilling to revel these names to public.

    http://www.kashmirexaminer.com/index...ack-money-case
    http://www.expressindia.com/latest-n...olders/738993/
    http://in.news.yahoo.com/govt-sc-rev...25600-361.html

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  32. #58
    Quote Originally Posted by Arvindc View Post
    Swiss bank has already revealed the names of many people. However, it's the corrupt government which is unwilling to revel these names to public.

    http://www.kashmirexaminer.com/index...ack-money-case
    http://www.expressindia.com/latest-n...olders/738993/
    http://in.news.yahoo.com/govt-sc-rev...25600-361.html

    Gadkari demands declaration of Indian Swiss account holders


    Gadkari himself can declare his and other bjp ians accounts detail in Swiss bank............
    why he is asking others which he himself knows very well ............:rolleyes:

    ----When Digvijay singh says that Govt. can arrest Baba Ram Dev Ji he should think that the corrupt system failed to give food to crores of Indian. We are requesting our NRIs to invest in India and our own corrupt citizens deposited huge money in foreign banks. It is our money and when more than 30 crore people cannot earn more than Rs 50/-per day then what is the purpose of Rs. 500/- and Rs. 1000/- notes.Diggi is talking about jail these days in every talk,so now i think he realize that he will also in jail sooner or later ...........wo kahte hai na ke syane n pahlya e bera paat jaya kare s....... and now govt. also cancel the contract which was given to diggi to abusing anybody.
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  34. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by annch View Post
    The article is on the same lines as the one pointed by "Parveen Kumar". I do not understand, even if it is much easier to handle Ramdev, how is the cong government benefiting by bringing Ramdev in the forefront? The 'Lokpal' issue is anyways put on the back-burner by the media. Going by the same logic, was the "Lokpal" movement also scripted by the government to divert the attention from 2G and CWG scams (and many more which were not reported)? Was the Manmohan Singh more worried of the possibility of civil movements in the world igniting one in India as well?

    Only time will tell the real story, till then these just imaginations. Similar, sarcastic views were expressed when RTI act was made. We all know today that how it has helped a common citizen from the harassment of getting information from the bureaucratic secrecy. Lokpal bill may not bring utopia, however, it will certainly help in checking corruption.

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  36. #60
    Quote Originally Posted by kapdal View Post
    ....
    Truth is that both Baba and Anna are making false promises of Utopia. In fact, once you get over the demands that are universally agreeable like "remove corruption", and get to the details of their demands, they are quite scary. I am not going to talk about the individuals here, maybe both of them are excellent characters in all respects and have best of intentions. But the path to hell can be laid with best of intentions. .....
    These movements may not bring Utopia. However, do you see them as a step towards hell? Or is it heaven?

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