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Thread: Jat vs gujjar conflict in n.c.r.

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  2. #42
    Quote Originally Posted by ashishsehrawat9 View Post
    Bro jaats have 17 % poppulation in gurgaon (approx -100 villages ),i checked yesterday.yes it's true that gurgaon is ahir dominated(38% yadavs approx -190 villages approx ) .If we have 4-5 villages then we can't have 12 jaat ward members out of 35 seats .
    The main jat gotra in gurgaon are sehrawat,kataria ,dabas,hooda ,thakran ,anjana(it's also a jat gotra ),aur bhi hai 2-3 jinke mujhe naam yaad nahi hai is time .Kataria jaats are very rich in gurgaon . There is one Sukhrali village (kataria village )-It is supposed to be the richest village of gurgaon .

    Mayor seat par yadav jita hai (Vimal yadav ),i checked in today's newspaper (our bad luck bro ),deputy-mayor post is given to a jaat as a compromise .

    Vaise tumhe patha hoga ki Ch Charan singh UP kai CM rahe hai .Jab yeh Mayawati ( Chamari ) CM baan sakti hai to jaat kyo nahi .Dalits are the most supressed in the indian society .

    Really yeh ak fact hai ki Mayaweati is a good politician .AAj sai 10 saal pehle BSP ka kuch khas hold nahi tha UP mai ,aur aaj she has the govt aur vo bhi complete bahumat mai .

    Yes bro u r right that ,agar jaat ko CM banana hai to Western UP ko alag karna padhega only then it is possible.Lekin tumhe patha hai sabse jyada Harit Pradesh ka oppostion Mulayam singh karta hai because these people of eastern UP knows ki aghar western UP laga ho gaya to vaha kai log bhuke mar jayge becausee prosperous belt in UP is western UP only .It's 100 % true .

    Aur rahi baat Bametha ki to Bametha gaon is 4-5 kms away from IMS ghaziabad .usse pehle bhot gaon hai jaato kai Mehrauli (teotia village ),sadararpur ,rajpura ,kajipura ,Chipiana bujurag and some more as well.

    Out of these Mehrauli is the most richest village in that area .
    very unfortunate that a yadav won as a mayor in gurgaon.....!!!!

  3. #43
    koi nahi amit bhai ,better luck next time ,koi nahi is bar deputy mayor bana hai agli bar mayor banega ..............

    Vaise Bulansahar kai kuch jaat villages bhot famous hai .........like Saidhpur(sirohi village ),Bhatona (teotia village ) .

    I have listen that in these villages ,atleast we have 2 persons from each family in the army/police .I think we have jaat MLA's from Bulandsahar if i am not wrong ..

    Keep it up my jat bro's..................

  4. #44
    Quote Originally Posted by ashishsehrawat9 View Post
    koi nahi amit bhai ,better luck next time ,koi nahi is bar deputy mayor bana hai agli bar mayor banega ..............

    Vaise Bulansahar kai kuch jaat villages bhot famous hai .........like Saidhpur(sirohi village ),Bhatona (teotia village ) .

    I have listen that in these villages ,atleast we have 2 persons from each family in the army/police .I think we have jaat MLA's from Bulandsahar if i am not wrong ..

    Keep it up my jat bro's..................
    mla frm bulandshahr is muslim(frm bsp)....
    though bulandshahr has good jat poulation but jat hvnt win frm bulandshahr seat...bulandshahr is dominated by loadhs...

  5. #45
    yes i know ,from city Alim Ghadhi is the MLA ,but what about Agotha & anoopsaha seat ,there are 2 jaat MLA's from bulandsaahr seat and one more that i will check & will tell u

  6. #46
    Hi Friends,

    Its true that non Jats especially Gujjars and Yadavs envy JATS for whatever reasons they find solace in- the fact is JATS are honest, strong-both mentally and physically, brave, hard working, intelligent and socially upwards placed at par with Brahmins and RAjputs. Gujjars/Yadavs are much below than us in social strata and they are pretty much cattle grazers till.

    Probably that's the reason of envy. And in many cases certain folks among us are aggressive at times which people keep a memory of and put us in -ve light where ever they find a chance. I am not sure of the unity among JATS and I still find it far behind than Gujjars or Ahirs .. but the fact is

    We are a PROUD community who always move forward and prefer to progress. Regardless of what people say.

    I have coined another term for JATS

    "Justifiably Adorable Talents"
    or

    " Just Adore Them"


    Three Cheers to us!!!
    Thanks,
    Arun

  7. #47
    areeeeeeee in choote logan ki maari gel brabarii khaan kahan jaat kahan gujaar tham bhi yaar kya batan leka bhed jaa

  8. #48
    bilkul sahi kaha rahul bhai tumne ........

    bilkul shola (16 ) aane sach baat kahi aapne ........

  9. #49
    ram ram bhahiyooo
    bas yee batanaa chahtaa hu ki jaat aise jatii hai jismaii apko harr tarahhh kaa insaan milegaaaa..let it b a good sportsman lik sehwag,vijender boxer,sushil wrestler freedom fighterr lik bhagat singh n many more......let it b security forces....kisssi bhi fieldd mai deekh loo jaat wahaa jarooor mlegaa.....aur aisee koi community nahi hai joo harr field mai dominatee karee.

  10. #50
    yes i have find out .
    MLA from Agotha -Kiran pal singh (he is sirohi jaat ).
    MLA from anoopsahar-Ch Hosiar singh (rajoura gotra ).

    I am confused about Debai seat -Rajveers singh Teotia from BSP .We have these 3 jaat MLA's from Bulandsahar .

    you are right that city area is mostly dominated by muslims ,bainya ,pandit's .

    Jaat's always dominate the Rural areas .It's true everywhere wherever we have jaats present in our country .

  11. #51
    i hope we do get more jat mla in coming election....if i m not wrong after yadavs,thakurs and bhramin there wud be jat mla in uttar pradesh.......

  12. #52
    i have got this question in mind but dont hv an exact answer....my one of yadav friends say that yadavs are far ahead in politics thn combo of jats and gujjar...he gives an example of mp at lok shabha...he says no of yadav(30) candidates are much more thn addition of jats(19) and gujjars(7)......

  13. #53
    ha ha actually amit bhai development of an community does not upon poppulation & no of MP's .It depends upon the education ,social development ,political influence ,agricultural growth ,contribution in govt. jobs & IT sector & lot more other fields as well .

    In all the OBC castes like gujjar ,yadav ,jaats & other minor OBC castes as well , JATS are doing the best in every field .JATS occupy the most fertile belt of north-india .JAT's are present in total of 10 states ( 5-majority ,5-minority ) & wherever we have jaat village ,u will found prosperity .
    Yadavs are present in most backward areas of india like eastern UP ,bihar ,chattisgarh, Orissa & other backward states of india .
    Yes they have more no of MP's than jaats becuase they have more poppulation than hindu jaats .it's true .U havn't included sikh jaats & muslim jaats here (in no of MP's list ).

    As per my opinion we should include atleast sikh jaats as we share so many similarities with each other .

    I am sure that this no. of jaat MP's will be much more ,we must have around 25 jaat MP's .

  14. #54
    hahaha bro u r ryt bout tht...
    brother i dont lyk sikh and muslim jats coz if they were real jats they wudnt hv converted themselves....i read somewhere tht rajputs and bhramins treated thm as shudras thats why they got converted into sikh and those who became muslim ws due to mughal barbarism on jats...
    And brother i hv checked in jatland foroum and the no of jat includin both muslim and sikh are 21....
    All i would say only hindu jats are real jats coz jats is jat only when he dont cover his weakness!

  15. #55
    As far as Jat vs Gurjar conflict in NCR is concerned then I would like to say that this is not very serious. There has never been any big brawl between these, I never heard that Jats killed several Gurjars or vice versa in NCR or elsewhere. Jats are much superior than the Gurjars and if Gurjars or other castes accept it openly then this world will harass them more saying how inferior they are before the Jats, so they don't miss any chance to find out the imaginary weakness of the Jats. It is essential for their survival. So we shouldn't bother about it. I have come in contact of many Gurjars and I found them very respectful towards the Jats. But I do accept that the Jats prick like a thorn in non-Jats' eyes. Actually all Gurjars are not bad. Rather than the Gurjars, I think Jat is a bigger enemy of a Jat. Over Chandigarh and Satluj-Yamuna Link Sardars and Haryanvi Jats have been face to face many times. There are many other such conflicts. In Dichau Kalan village of Delhi about 30 Jats have been killed by each other in a family dispute. In Western U.P. too, there are many such incidents. So I think Jats vs Jats conflict is much more serious for the Jats than the Jat vs Gurjar or other non-Jats conflict.

  16. #56
    Upender bhai i do not agree with ur point totally .Yes it is true that jat is a very superior caste in comparison to gujjars in india .In NCR ,You will always find out a fight between jats & gujjars .Let me give u some example .

    Faridabad MP election -Avtar singh Bhadana(congress) Vs Ram singh Bainda(BJP) Bainda got defeated in the election becuase even in Faridabad jaat's voting(2.5 Lakh) is double than gujjars (1.3 lakh ).Hooda support Avtar bhadana & curved the jaat votes for him .Really Hooda is really getting mad i think so ...........

    Talk about palwal seat .Karan singh dalal(jaat MLA from palwal since last 15 years from congress ) got defeated by subash gujjar(INLD) this time only becuase of lack of jaat unity .

    Now talk about South delhi seat .here ramesh kumar (JAT from congess ) vs Ramesh bidhuri (BJP ) .Ramesh kumar JAT got win from this seat .

    Now the last seat sohna (gurgaon )assembly election seat -here one independet jat got win from this seat (i dont remember his name right now ) by defeating 2 gujjars standing in front of him .Out of them one was Sukhbir singh Jaunpuria -3 times MLA from sohna seat -a very rich gujjar of NCR .

    villages around sohna have got a good amout of compensation .There we have gujjar,jat & yadav villages as well . Gujjars have 12 khatana villages there jine vo 24 batate hai sabse badhe jutte .....
    ha ha ..........................

  17. #57
    Upender bhai i do not agree with ur point totally .Yes it is true that jat is a very superior caste in comparison to gujjars in india .In NCR ,You will always find out a fight between jats & gujjars .Let me give u some example .

    Faridabad MP election -Avtar singh Bhadana(congress) Vs Ram singh Bainda(BJP) Bainda got defeated in the election becuase even in Faridabad jaat's voting(2.5 Lakh) is double than gujjars (1.3 lakh ).Hooda support Avtar bhadana & curved the jaat votes for him .Really Hooda is really getting mad i think so ...........

    Talk about palwal seat .Karan singh dalal(jaat MLA from palwal since last 15 years from congress ) got defeated by subash gujjar(INLD) this time only becuase of lack of jaat unity .

    Now talk about South delhi seat .here ramesh kumar (JAT from congess ) vs Ramesh bidhuri (BJP ) .Ramesh kumar JAT got win from this seat .

    Now the last seat sohna (gurgaon )assembly election seat -here one independet jat got win from this seat (i dont remember his name right now ) by defeating 2 gujjars standing in front of him .Out of them one was Sukhbir singh Jaunpuria -3 times MLA from sohna seat -a very rich gujjar of NCR .

    villages around sohna have got a good amout of compensation .There we have gujjar,jat & yadav villages as well . Gujjars have 12 khatana villages there jine vo 24 batate hai sabse badhe jutte .....
    ha ha ..........................

    Yes it's true that all gujjars are not bad .Believe me that i have lots of gujjar friend & they accept that jats are much forward than them but they always try to compete with jaats & want to show that they are more powerfull .

    Upendra bhai family dispute ,har ghar mai hai aaj kai time mai ,it's not only in jaats .it's the case with everyone whether it's for land,property or for any thing else .
    Even this time in DU fest ,bhot acha jagda hua tha jaat and gujjaro kai bich mai ,i was there ,i know that .

    nobody want to discuss that why our jaat bro got defeated on faridabad seat & palwal seat this time .One bro have given me one answer but that too was not totally convincing .

  18. #58
    Amit bhai here u talk about sikh jaats & muslim jaats .

    As per my opinion ,Sikh jaats are very brave ,courageous.They are dominating in punjab .They are good in each & every field .It's not like that u are telling .They have also struggled a lot against Aurananjeb & other Mughal kings like Hindu jaats .

    As far as muslim jaats are concerned ,i dont know much about muslim jaats ,so i won't say anything here .They were converted to muslim during the Mughal time .I think Malik jaats have got converted to muslim a lot during that time .Whatever is the thing ,they are also jaats & as per my opinion we should try to convert them to hindus becuase originally they were hindu's .
    Last edited by ashishsehrawat9; July 8th, 2011 at 07:53 PM.

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  20. #59
    Quote Originally Posted by ashishsehrawat9 View Post
    Upender bhai i do not agree with ur point totally .Yes it is true that jat is a very superior caste in comparison to gujjars in india .In NCR ,You will always find out a fight between jats & gujjars .Let me give u some example .

    Faridabad MP election -Avtar singh Bhadana(congress) Vs Ram singh Bainda(BJP) Bainda got defeated in the election becuase even in Faridabad jaat's voting(2.5 Lakh) is double than gujjars (1.3 lakh ).Hooda support Avtar bhadana & curved the jaat votes for him .Really Hooda is really getting mad i think so ...........

    Talk about palwal seat .Karan singh dalal(jaat MLA from palwal since last 15 years from congress ) got defeated by subash gujjar(INLD) this time only becuase of lack of jaat unity .

    Now talk about South delhi seat .here ramesh kumar (JAT from congess ) vs Ramesh bidhuri (BJP ) .Ramesh kumar JAT got win from this seat .

    Now the last seat sohna (gurgaon )assembly election seat -here one independet jat got win from this seat (i dont remember his name right now ) by defeating 2 gujjars standing in front of him .Out of them one was Sukhbir singh Jaunpuria -3 times MLA from sohna seat -a very rich gujjar of NCR .

    villages around sohna have got a good amout of compensation .There we have gujjar,jat & yadav villages as well . Gujjars have 12 khatana villages there jine vo 24 batate hai sabse badhe jutte .....
    ha ha ..........................

    Yes it's true that all gujjars are not bad .Believe me that i have lots of gujjar friend & they accept that jats are much forward than them but they always try to compete with jaats & want to show that they are more powerfull .

    Upendra bhai family dispute ,har ghar mai hai aaj kai time mai ,it's not only in jaats .it's the case with everyone whether it's for land,property or for any thing else .
    Even this time in DU fest ,bhot acha jagda hua tha jaat and gujjaro kai bich mai ,i was there ,i know that .

    nobody want to discuss that why our jaat bro got defeated on faridabad seat & palwal seat this time .One bro have given me one answer but that too was not totally convincing .
    ashish bhai@ u r ryt tht there is lack of unity in our caste but thts case with every caste....
    and talkin bout faridabad defeat seat the reason is unity of gujjars and support of other caste to them,yadavs supported them open handidly...
    u know haryana comprises of 30% of jats while yadavs are 10% and gujjars are 5% so they know they cnt fight against jats alone so they support each other thts y jats got defeated in faridabad....so jats need to unite to counter attack....

    lyk u i too hv many gujjars and yadav as frnds and infact my grl frnd is gujjari only....i know they hv got money but still they r backward and hv an awful life style...u can easily recognize a gujjari....they still carry gobar in their honda city....shitty people.....
    i m not saying farming or cattle rearing is bad,coz farmer who hv land wont take milk from mother dairy but wud hv his own cattle...and we all know all the three caste are involved in farming and animal hubandry may that was the only reason we were called as shudras by bhramins as this occupation which was a matter of pride in early times was looked down with modernization.....
    and talkin bout domination each caste has its own domination area...
    for example in delhi jat and yadav villagees are generally find together(nogloi side we hv 7-8 villages and yadavs hv 14-15 villages in the area aroud badli-samaypur)...nd also at nazafgarh side jats hv 25-30 villages and yadavs hv 14-15 villages,last time a yadav won from here as two jats clashed with each other and yadav won....
    jats hv around 110 villages in delhi while gujjars hv 60 and yadavs around 35-40...but due to lack of unity jat loose some of sit were they cud hv won...

    so every caste has its own domination in his area...
    lyk all over delhi is dominated by jats(THOUGH GUJJARS AND YADAVS HV THEIR SUB AREAS)...
    faridabad by jats...
    gurgaon by yadavs..
    noida by half by gujjar nd half by yadavs....
    ghazibad is equally dominated by tyagi,jats,yadav and gujjars

    I DONT SEE ANY GUJJAR COMING AND SHOWING DADGIRI IN FARIDABAD AGAINST US...
    I DONT SEE ANY JAT SHOWING HIS DADAGIRI IN NOIDA AGAINST GUJJARS AND YADAVS.
    I ALSO DONT SEE ANY ONE SHOWIN DADAGIRI IN GURGAON AGAINST YADAV...
    AND GHAZIBAD AS I SAID IS EQUALLY HOLD OF EACH OF THESE CASTE...

    BTWN GUJJARS AND YADAVS ARE NOT MY ENEMY EITHER AND I REPECT BOTH COZ HAMARE HOOKAH PANI SATH SATH HAI....ALL HV SAME STATUS AND GLORIFIED HISTORY....
    BUT JATS SHUD UNITE AND PROGRSS.....THNKS

  21. #60

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    Amit bhai ram ram ,nice to see ur comments .Your comments is nice bus kuch kamia hai ,vo mai sudhar deta hu ,one by one .

    We are here talking about faridabad seat ,the polling on faridabad seat is as follows :jats's(2.5 lakh ) ,gujjars-1.3 lakh ,punjabi -1 lakh ,brahimn-1 lakh ,Meo's muslims-70000,SC-40000 ,yadavs-only 20000 .I have never listen about any famous yadav village in faridabad aur agar 1-2 hai bhi to bhi koi matter nahi karta .The reason of victory of congress in faridabad was even jaats did not vote completely to BJP (Ch Ram singh Bainda )due to hooda campaigining & gujjars & punjabi always goes togther in faridabad .

    Aur jaat ko shudra kehne vale pehle apne giraban mai jaak kar dekhe ,in pandito nai aaj tak bhik he mang kar kai hai .In logo nai humara aadhi history gayab kardi ,asli chor to yahi hai .

    THESE PANDITS HAVE WRITTEN THE HISTORY ACCORDING TO THEIR CHOICE ,EVEN OUR JAAT'S HISTORY IS INCOMPLETE .HOW COULD U LISTEN TO THESE **** PANDITS ,THEY ONLY KNOW TO USE THEIR MINDS ,THEY HAVE NEVER WORK HARD .
    Bro MLa from najafgarh is jaat ,Ch bharat singh -check on our site ,yes it's true that there are some yadav villages near najafgarh .JAATS HAVE 160 VILLAGES IN DELHI ,GUJJARS HAVE 70 VILLAGES ,YADAV'S HAVE 31 VILLAGES ,I CHECK ON GOOGLE ,THESE ARE EXACT NUMBERS .
    Neither faridabad nor gurgaon is dominated by a single caste .You are talking about gurgaon ,hooda nai ak kaam to acha kiya hai gurgaon mai ,ki mostly yadavs & gujjars ki jamine acquire kar li hai ,jaato ki jamine abhi bhi bachi hui hai kafi gurgaon mai .

    if we add the poppulation of jat's & gujjars in gurgaon .it will be equal to the poppulation of yadav's .Aur ha chahe gurgaon ho chahe faridabad ,haryana mai chalti sirf jaato ki hai .there is no doubt in that .gurgaon have lots of jats & gujjar village as well.good poppulation of meo muslims as well .abhi piche mayor election mai ak yadav ki bhot pittayi hui thi jaato nai he mara tha aur khub ache sai bajaya tha .We have the govt ,we have the power .

    Influence depends upon two factors -first is poppulation & second is administration .You need both of them to dominate .
    I dont know why u believe that noida also has lots of yadavs .We dont have not more than 10 villages of yadavs in whole districts that too are only around main noida city like Rashulpur nawada ,hoshairpur ,sarafabad ,ithera on ABES road & 1-2 more .Noida is gujjar dominated & good poppulation of rajputs as well .noida is just a chunk of piece in comparison to gr noida ,dadri ,kasna ,dhankaur belt -there we don't have even a single yadav village ,it's true bro .

    I feel even gujjars better than yadavs becuase its only your mulayam singh yadav who always oppose the formation of Harit pradesh -which was the dream of Ch. charan singh & now Ajit singh even though whatever the Mulayam singh is ,he is only becuase of Ch charan singh today .Becuase he knows that yadavs dont have any siginficant influence in western UP .eastern Up is the most worst belt of UP which is the main vote bank for SP ,so he dont want to loose the hold over prosperous belt -western UP (economic belt of UP ) .
    Last edited by ashishsehrawat9; July 12th, 2011 at 06:00 PM.

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