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  1. #21
    wen yr upbringing is nt done in yr region den u jst know d language a little,
    n when u came bck to yr own region den u came to know much more about the language.
    and one can say that he or she knw the lang. if n only if he can read,write n talk d language properly.
    so many youngsters r dere that dnt know
    even d basic words used in village.
    "SHER KA BACHHA CHAHE BHEDIYO K JHUND ME B PALE SHIKAR KARNA SEEKH HI JATA HAI"

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  3. #22
    Quote Originally Posted by VipinJyani View Post
    If you didnt know Haryanvi language upto college level then how come you claim it to be "Apni Languge" ?

    भाई बाहर रही होगी ,बालक पण तें इब्ब सीख ले गी कोए बात ना ,कम तें कम न्यू ते कहवे स अक आपणी बोली स | सीख ले प्रीति सुथरी ढाल फेर विपिन भाई ने कती देसी चमोले सुणआइये |
    :rockwhen you found a key to success,some ideot change the lock,*******BREAK THE DOOR.
    हक़ मांगने से नहीं मिलता , छिना जाता हे |
    अहिंसा कमजोरों का हथियार हे |
    पगड़ी संभाल जट्टा |
    मौत नु आंगालियाँ पे नचांदे , ते आपां जाट कुहांदे |

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  5. #23
    Quote Originally Posted by urmiladuhan View Post
    Mein Jaatu lekh saktee hoon par bolnae mein dikkat aatee hae. But I shall make a sincere effort in speaking too! This is a fantastic language to converse in.
    Jaatu words pronounce karne mei dikkat hoti hogi, i guess

  6. #24
    "SHER KA BACHHA CHAHE BHEDIYO K JHUND ME B PALE SHIKAR KARNA SEEKH HI JATA HAI"

    I do agree and this makes a sense also.
    Apne to Apne Hote Hain

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  8. #25
    Quote Originally Posted by atishmohan View Post
    Jaatu words pronounce karne mei dikkat hoti hogi, i guess
    it is like how some people can understand english/ read and write english but have have difficulty speaking - that is why so many college graduates are unable to speak english yet know english. my situation is like that.
    Attention seekers and attention getters are two different class of people.

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  10. #26
    फेर सीख ल्यो ने उर्मिला जी ,में ओन लाइन फ्री जट्टू की क्लास शुरू कर देवुंगा |
    :rockwhen you found a key to success,some ideot change the lock,*******BREAK THE DOOR.
    हक़ मांगने से नहीं मिलता , छिना जाता हे |
    अहिंसा कमजोरों का हथियार हे |
    पगड़ी संभाल जट्टा |
    मौत नु आंगालियाँ पे नचांदे , ते आपां जाट कुहांदे |

  11. #27
    Quote Originally Posted by ravinderjeet View Post
    फेर सीख ल्यो ने उर्मिला जी ,में ओन लाइन फ्री जट्टू की क्लास शुरू कर देवुंगा |
    हम्बे - मंड री सून
    Attention seekers and attention getters are two different class of people.

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  13. #28
    Quote Originally Posted by Saharan1628 View Post
    A sincere & dedicated effort is going on mostly in various groups on FB to make Haryanvi Boli a state language or Bhasha..

    Attachment 12459

    Message by Kavi Bechain:

    मैं करू चाहे थम करो, पर शुरुआत करो
    बोली न्यू ए भाषा नहीं बनेगी दो-दो हाथ करो
    सांप के मुह में छछुन्द्र ल्याणा स आपा न
    इसलिए परदेसवासिओ, थोड़ी खुबात करो
    किसी दुसरे के भरोसे ना छोडो मकसद
    या खाज तो मिलके अपने ए हाथ करो
    Navin Jindal has recently demanded in parliament to recognize Haryanwi as a state language.

    हरियाणवी भाषा को मिले राजभाषा का दर्जा: जिंदल



    कुरुक्षेत्र . कुरुक्षेत्र के सांसद नवीन जिंदल ने हरियाणवी भाषा को संविधान की आठवीं अनुसूची में शामिल करने के लिए संसद में पुरजोर मांग की। शुक्रवार को संसद में बोलते हुए सांसद नवीन जिंदल ने लोकसभा अध्यक्ष के सामने अपना प्रस्ताव रखते हुए कहा कि संविधान के अनुच्छेद 343 (1) के अनुसार हिन्दी भारत की राजभाषा है, और संविधान की आठवीं अनुसूची में सम्मिलित सभी भाषाएं इसके समकक्ष हैं।


    पहले इसमें 14 भाषाएं शामिल थी, लेकिन गढ़वाली, कुमाउनी, बोड़ो, कोंकणी आदि भाषाओं को मिलाकर आज इनकी संख्या 22 हो गई है।

    भाषा हरियाणा के अलावा पश्चिमी दिल्ली, उत्तर प्रदेश, राजस्थान व पंजाब के कई जिलों सहित करीब चार करोड़ लोगों द्वारा बोली जाने वाली है अत: इसे संवैधानिक भाषा का दर्जा दिया जाए। यह भाषा संवैधानिक दर्जा पाए बिना भी अपना भाषाई दायित्व निभाती चली आ रही है। प्रसिद्ध सांगी पंडित लखमी चंद, मांगे राम व कई हरियाणवी कलाकारों ने इसी भाषा में गाए भजनों को आज भी लोग बड़े चाव से सुनते हैं।
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  15. #29
    Quote Originally Posted by atishmohan View Post
    navin jindal has recently demanded in parliament to recognize haryanwi as a state language.

    हरियाणवी भाषा को मिले राजभाषा का दर्जा: जिंदल




    कुरुक्षेत्र . कुरुक्षेत्र के सांसद नवीन जिंदल ने हरियाणवी भाषा को संविधान की आठवीं अनुसूची में शामिल करने के लिए संसद में पुरजोर मांग की। शुक्रवार को संसद में बोलते हुए सांसद नवीन जिंदल ने लोकसभा अध्यक्ष के सामने अपना प्रस्ताव रखते हुए कहा कि संविधान के अनुच्छेद 343 (1) के अनुसार हिन्दी भारत की राजभाषा है, और संविधान की आठवीं अनुसूची में सम्मिलित सभी भाषाएं इसके समकक्ष हैं।


    पहले इसमें 14 भाषाएं शामिल थी, लेकिन गढ़वाली, कुमाउनी, बोड़ो, कोंकणी आदि भाषाओं को मिलाकर आज इनकी संख्या 22 हो गई है।

    भाषा हरियाणा के अलावा पश्चिमी दिल्ली, उत्तर प्रदेश, राजस्थान व पंजाब के कई जिलों सहित करीब चार करोड़ लोगों द्वारा बोली जाने वाली है अत: इसे संवैधानिक भाषा का दर्जा दिया जाए। यह भाषा संवैधानिक दर्जा पाए बिना भी अपना भाषाई दायित्व निभाती चली आ रही है। प्रसिद्ध सांगी पंडित लखमी चंद, मांगे राम व कई हरियाणवी कलाकारों ने इसी भाषा में गाए भजनों को आज भी लोग बड़े चाव से सुनते हैं।

    pahle haryana prant kee sarkari bhasha ka darja mile to shayad baad mein ise rajbhasha banane ke liya claim pukhata ho sakata hai.

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  17. #30
    Quote Originally Posted by Saharan1628 View Post
    Guyz another msg from Bechain sir--

    हरियाणवी के दीवानों के लिए एक खुशखबरी
    सरकार हरियाणा साहित्य अकादमी की योजनाओ के अंतर्गत हरियाणवी को बोली नही भाषा मानती है और इस पर प्रतिवर्ष लाखों रपिये खर्च करती है ,,,और बाकायदा हरियाणवी भाषा के नाम से पुरूस्कार भी देती है ,, अब दोस्तों इतना सब कुछ है और सरकार लिख के दे रही है की हरियाणवी भाषा है बोली नही तो फिर ये प्रदेश में हरियाणवी के साथ गोलमाल क्यों,,,,,? मंजिल दूर नहीं,,, साथियों एकजुट होवो जीत जाओगे,,, उपरोक्त जानकारी सुचना के अधिकार के तहत हाथ लगी है ,,,,,

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    kYA HARYANAVI BOLI/BHASHA KEE KOI DICTIONARY HARYANA SARKAR YA KISI AUR SANSTHA DWARA UPLABADH HUI HAI.

  18. #31
    Bhai sahib, ye sab rajinitik logoke ke drame hai asa kuchh nahi hone wala.......

    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    kYA HARYANAVI BOLI/BHASHA KEE KOI DICTIONARY HARYANA SARKAR YA KISI AUR SANSTHA DWARA UPLABADH HUI HAI.
    Yoginder Gulia

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  20. #32
    Quote Originally Posted by ygulia View Post
    Bhai sahib, ye sab rajinitik logoke ke drame hai asa kuchh nahi hone wala.......

    You are right Guliaji,

    Before marching forward any boli has to acquire the status of language first. Has Haryanavi boli succeeded to attain it. To my mind the answer is a big NO.

    Then ponder over the below given two points also:

    Even after so many years of Independence Hindi remains a co-national language, leave taking Haryanavi place of Rajbhasha.

    Second, What arrangements are available for the teaching of Haryanavi at School/college/university level in Haryana. How much literature is available for learning and teaching Haryanavi boli.

    Are there any plans/programmes of the promoters of Haryanavi Boli worth sharing with public? If yes, please come up.

  21. #33
    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    kYA HARYANAVI BOLI/BHASHA KEE KOI DICTIONARY HARYANA SARKAR YA KISI AUR SANSTHA DWARA UPLABADH HUI HAI.
    According to Ethnologue report on languages of India, Haryanvi writing system is Devanagari script.

    Haryanvi

    A language of India

    ISO 639-3: bgc
    Population 13,000,000 (1992 SIL). 107,000 Haryanvi proper (1997). Ethnic population: 16,000,000 (1992 SIL).
    Region Haryana; Rajasthan; Punjab; Karnataka; Delhi; Himachal Pradesh; Uttar Pradesh.
    Alternate names Bangaru, Banger, Bangri, Bangru, Chamarwa, Desari, Hariani, Hariyani, Haryani, Jatu
    Dialects Bangaru Proper, Deswali, Khadar. Good intelligibility among dialects, but Haryanvi is not intelligible with Hindi. Most similar to Braj Bhasha [bra]. Lexical similarity: 92% among dialects.
    Classification Indo-European, Indo-Iranian, Indo-Aryan, Central zone, Western Hindi, Unclassified
    Language use Home, religion. All ages. Positive attitude. Also use Hindi.
    Language development Literacy rate in L2: 55% Hindi. Dictionary. Bible portions: 2001.
    Writing system Devanagari script.
    Comments ‘Bangru’ now used for speakers in Jind area; ‘Khadar’ used by speakers in Jind to refer to the speech of Rohtak and Sonipat. Hindu, Muslim.
    Last edited by vicky84; April 29th, 2012 at 04:26 PM.

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  23. #34
    Quote Originally Posted by atishmohan View Post
    According to Ethnologue report on languages of India, Haryanvi writing system is Devanagari script.

    Haryanvi

    A language of India

    ISO 639-3: bgc
    Population 13,000,000 (1992 SIL). 107,000 Haryanvi proper (1997). Ethnic population: 16,000,000 (1992 SIL).
    Region Haryana; Rajasthan; Punjab; Karnataka; Delhi; Himachal Pradesh; Uttar Pradesh.
    Alternate names Bangaru, Banger, Bangri, Bangru, Chamarwa, Desari, Hariani, Hariyani, Haryani, Jatu
    Dialects Bangaru Proper, Deswali, Khadar. Good intelligibility among dialects, but Haryanvi is not intelligible with Hindi. Most similar to Braj Bhasha [bra]. Lexical similarity: 92% among dialects.
    Classification Indo-European, Indo-Iranian, Indo-Aryan, Central zone, Western Hindi, Unclassified
    Language use Home, religion. All ages. Positive attitude. Also use Hindi.
    Language development Literacy rate in L2: 55% Hindi. Dictionary. Bible portions: 2001.
    Writing system Devanagari script.
    Comments ‘Bangru’ now used for speakers in Jind area; ‘Khadar’ used by speakers in Jind to refer to the speech of Rohtak and Sonipat. Hindu, Muslim.
    Thanks for the information, Friend. It would be kind of you if you could inform us the availability of the source used i.e. Ethnologue Report on Languages of India.

    Regards

  24. #35
    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    Thanks for the information, Friend. It would be kind of you if you could inform us the availability of the source used i.e. Ethnologue Report on Languages of India.

    Regards
    Kindly refer to the link : http://www.ethnologue.com/show_country.asp?name=IN

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  26. #36
    Information on "Bagri"

    http://www.sil.org/silesr/2011/silesr2011-048.pdf

    Abstract
    The purpose of this sociolinguistic survey was to assess the need for mother tongue language
    development and literacy work in the Bagri language (ISO 639–3: bgq). Bagri is spoken in
    Rajasthan, Punjab, and Haryana states in India and in Pakistan; this survey focused on Bagri
    speech varieties in India. The fieldwork was conducted during October and November 2004.
    The researchers used wordlist comparisons, Hindi Sentence Repetition Testing (SRT),
    sociolinguistic questionnaires, informal interviews, and observations. The findings indicate that
    the Bagri language shows strong vitality. Tested, self–reported, and observed levels of
    proficiency in Hindi vary among Bagri speakers. In general, people who are less educated and
    who live in more rural settings show lower levels of Hindi bilingual ability. The researchers
    concluded that Bagri speakers would benefit from a vernacular language programme. Wordlist
    comparisons showed fairly high lexical similarity percentages among Bagri speech varieties
    across the entire language area in India. Dialect intelligibility testing is needed to further
    clarify which Bagri variety might serve as a central variety. Pending completion of such testing,
    language development could be started using one of the varieties from either the Ganganagar
    or Hanumangarh districts of Rajasthan, where the majority of Bagri speakers in India are
    found.
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  28. #37
    Quote Originally Posted by atishmohan View Post
    Thanks Friend.

  29. #38
    Friends,

    The 13th May, 2012, Sunday, Dainik Tribune (Hindi edition of the Tribune group) carries a very detailed analytically discussed full page write up: 'Haryanavi ko sanvedhanik darja dene kee pahal' by Dr. Maha Singh Punia of KUK.

    Log on : www.dainiktribuneonline.com


    Thanks

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