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  1. #281
    Deshwal Ji,

    1. I agree with you that Prabhavati the daughter of Chandragupta-II was of Dhaarana gotra.
    2. It means the gotra of her father was Dharana.
    3. It is well known that there are Dhaarana gotri jats today in several places in Haryana and Uttara Praesh and Rajasthan.
    4. These are important links.
    5. Dr. Dasharatha Sharma of Delhi University had pointed out this link long ago and identify the Gutas with Jats.
    6. Dr.Before this Dr. K.P.Jayaswal had pointed out the Karaskara gotra or clan of Chandragupta-II mentione in the Kaumudi-mahotsava.
    7. I am not able to reconcile the two gotras folr the same person.
    8. I o not find several other things stated by Captain Ahlawat.We can n ot deny that Gupta was not a family name (though not having the modern day connotation), A large No. of Gupta Inscriptions call it as Gupta-vansha, an the era used therein as 'Gupta-kaala'or Gupta-prakaala. Many kings, in their inscription are state as taking pride in belonging to the Gupta family.
    9. Dattaevi, Dhruvadevi are described by Ahlawat as belonging to Yadheya tribe without concrete evidence.
    10. The Chandra gomin's text -'ajayajjarto huunan iti' is erroneously quoted by CaptainAhlawat. More over this 'jarta' can not be identical with Yashodharman, whom several contributors identify as the 'Jarta'.






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  3. #282
    Quote Originally Posted by drssrana2003 View Post
    Deshwal Ji,


    10. The Chandra gomin's text -'ajayajjarto huunan iti' is erroneously quoted by CaptainAhlawat. More over this 'jarta' can not be identical with Yashodharman, whom several contributors identify as the 'Jarta'.


    Can you pinpoint the supposed error....

    1 Is it Gupto that is wrongly understood as Jarto?

    2 Or is it Jarta but wrongly interpreted for Jats?

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  5. #283
    KP Jayswal identified Gupta as Jats on the basis of Arya manju shri mulkalpa written in Sanskrit .

    What is your take on that ?

    Madurayaam jat vansaadhya vanik survi narpo varah. (I may have missed something here so pls refer the standard source .
    Last edited by narenderkharb; January 15th, 2015 at 11:26 PM.

  6. #284
    Quote Originally Posted by narenderkharb View Post
    KP Jayswal identified Gupta as Jats on the basis of Arya manju shri mulkalpa written in Sanskrit .

    What is your take on that ?

    Madurayaam jat vansaadhya vanik survi narpo varah. (I may have missed something here so pls refer the standard source .
    Narendra Ji,

    Yes, Obviously there is some inaccuracy in the text quoted by you. I would like to visit the text to be able to respond.
    t

  7. #285
    Quote Originally Posted by drssrana2003 View Post
    Deshwal Ji,

    1. I agree with you that Prabhavati the daughter of Chandragupta-II was of Dhaarana gotra.
    2. It means the gotra of her father was Dharana.
    3. It is well known that there are Dhaarana gotri jats today in several places in Haryana and Uttara Praesh and Rajasthan.


    Atleast , it is more concrete evidence to be the gupta of jat origin than their "baniya" origin. irony is that still the "baniya "theory is more prevalent around. If such a evidence would have found for Rajput, it had been silently accepted. As all ancient great king are tagged as rajputs and widely accepted in "aam aadmi" and I see very few evidences. are not we far behind claiming our part? Same fate I see for gujjar. Gurjara pratihar is ridiculously claimed of Rajput origin. Though the vansh itself has the race name.

    6. Dr.Before this Dr. K.P.Jayaswal had pointed out the Karaskara gotra or clan of Chandragupta-II mentione in the Kaumudi-mahotsava.
    7. I am not able to reconcile the two gotras folr the same person.
    8. I o not find several other things stated by Captain Ahlawat.We can n ot deny that Gupta was not a family name (though not having the modern day connotation), A large No. of Gupta Inscriptions call it as Gupta-vansha, an the era used therein as 'Gupta-kaala'or Gupta-prakaala. Many kings, in their inscription are state as taking pride in belonging to the Gupta family.
    branches of a gotra are possible. For example, the gotra of jats of "desh khap" is salaklaan, branch of tomer gotra and most of them write themselves tomer , very few to write themselves as salklaan. On the same line, in a village of desh khap, there are few familes who are called as "bhoot" (you should be aware that in village , familes are given specific names based on their immediate ancestors or something else)and instead of writing tomar, they write "bhoot" as their last name. In another example, lakra gotra is chauhan sub branch..few people write their name as "lakra" and few "chauhan". So we can not deny that it was not possible in past.






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  8. #286
    Quote Originally Posted by narenderkharb View Post
    Can you pinpoint the supposed error....

    1 Is it Gupto that is wrongly understood as Jarto?

    2 Or is it Jarta but wrongly interpreted for Jats?
    Narendra Ji,
    The error lies in quoting the portion as 'jarto' ('t' hard)whereas the correct text is jarto (with soft 't').
    The error makes much difference.
    Rest of his reading represents one view from among the two prevalent viz. ajayaj.../ajaya gupto is faithfully reprouced by him.
    Even if that part is correct our problem with regard to the identity with regard to this 'jarta' persists before us as a problem, both linguitically and historically. But let us sail on.

  9. #287
    Simplicity of the Jat communities

    The patriarchal simplicity of the Jat communities, upon whose ruins the State of Bikaner was founded, affords a picture, however imperfect, of petty republics — a form of government little known to eastern despotism, and proving the tenacity of the ancient Gete's attachment to liberty. (James Tod: Annals and Antiquities of Rajasthan, Volume I, p.lxix)
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  11. #288
    James Tod writes that by an adventurer of the same race from which the Agnikulas were originally converts, though Saharan the Tak hid his name and his tribe under his new epithet of Zafar Khan, and as Muzaffar ascended the throne of Gujarat, which he left to his son. His grandson was Ahmad, who founded Ahmadabad, whose most splendid edifices were built from the ancient cities around it. Zafar Khan embraced Islam, and became viceroy of Gujarat. According to Ferishta, he threw off his allegiance to Delhi in 1396, or rather maintained a nominal allegiance till 1403.

    Ref - James Tod: Annals and Antiquities of Rajasthan, Volume I, Chapter 7: Catalogue of the Thirty Six Royal Races, p.118
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  13. #289
    Buddhist Caves and Stupas at Kolvi in Jhalawar district :

    Jhalawar district is only part of the state where rock-cut caves can be seen. The ancient Buddhist caves at Kolvi are of considerable archaeological and historical value. The colossal figure of Buddha and exquisite carvings are noteworthy. Similar caves can also be seen at Vinaika, Hathiagor and Gunai, which indicates existence of a flourishing civilization several centuries ago and Buddhist influence of the region. [Rajasthan Tourist Guide & Map, Indian Map Service, Jodhpur,p.48]

    Kolvi is an ancient village in Gangdhar tahsil in Jhalawar district in Rajasthan. We have Gangdhar Stone Inscription of Vishvavarman (423-424 CE). It mentions that the illustrious Mayûrâkshaka,— who is sprung from a family possessed of wisdom and prowess; whose heroism is renowned in every region; who holds himself under control; (and) who has accomplished, in his son Vishnubhata and also Haribhata, the duty of (continuing his) lineage,— caused to be built by his sons, the favourites of great good fortune, this shrine of the divine (god) Vishnu....

    James Tod found Inscriptions related with Jats in this very region of Rajasthan and Madhya Pradesh. Jats being Buddhist during that period spread Buddhism in this area. That seems the reason why we find large number of sites related with Jats and Jat History in this region.
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  15. #290
    Ancestors of Ranas of Mewar

    James Tod in Annals of Mewar writes about the ancestors of Ranas of Mewar:

    1. Various authors, borrowing from the same source, have assigned the seat of Porus to the Rana's family. The translator of the Periplus of the Erythrean Sea, following D'Anville, makes Ozene (Ujjain) the capital of a Porus, who sent an embassy to Augustus to regulate their commercial intercourse, and whom he asserts to be the ancestor of the Rana. (Annals of Mewar: p.248-249)

    2. At least ten genealogical lists, derived from the most opposite sources, agree in making Kanaksen the founder of this dynasty ; and assign his emigration from the most northern of the provinces of India to the peninsula of Saurashtra in S. 201, or A.D. 145. (Annals of Mewar: p.251)

    3. James Tod comments that Sen means, 'army'; kanak means, 'gold.' so Kanaksen is entirely mythical. It has been suggested that the name is a reminiscence of the connexion of the great Kushan Emperor, Kanishka, with Gujarat and Kathiawar. (Annals of Mewar, p.252,fn-3)

    4. The tract about Valabhipura and northward is termed Bal, probably from the tribe of Bala, which might have been the designation of the Rana's tribe prior to that of Grahilot ; and most probably Multan, and all these regions of the Kathi, Bala, etc., were dependent on Lohkot, whence emigrated Kanaksen ; thus strengthening the surmise of the Scythic descent of the Ranas. (Annals of Mewar: p.254)

    5. Gibbon, quoting De Guignes, mentions one in the second century, which fixed permanently in the Saurashtra peninsula ; and the latter, from original authorities, describes another of the Getae or Jats, styled by the Chinese Yueh-chi, in the north of India. (Annals of Mewar: p.256)

    Note - We know that Porus was a Jat since this clan still exists in Jats. Kanaksen is identified with Kanishka who again is considered to be of Jat origin of Kaswan clan. That means the Ranas of Mewar were of Jat Origin ? They fabricated later on genealogies to link with Rama.

    We have wikified the Annals of Mewar on Jatland here - http://www.jatland.com/home/Annals_of_Mewar
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  17. #291
    Mool Chand Siyag

    चौधरी मूलचन्द जी सीहाग अपने आप में एक जीवित संस्था थे, उनके द्वारा स्थापित संस्थाएं तो केवल उनकी छाया मात्र थी । वे भारत के अन्य प्रान्तों में 'राजस्थान के महारथी' के नाम से प्रसिद्ध थे । उन्होंने अपना पूरा जीवन जातीय सेवा व मारवाड़ के किसानों की दशा सुधारने व उन्हें ऊंचा उठाने में लगा दिया और जीवन के अन्तिम समय तक उसमें लगे रहे । उनकी सेवाओं के लिए १७ जनवरी १९७५ को विशाल समारोह में मारवाड़ के कृषक समाज की और से आपको एक अभिनन्दन पत्र भेंट किया गया जिसमें आपको "किशान जागृति के अग्रदूत" और 'कर्मठ समाज सुधारक' के रूप में याद किया.

    चौधरी मूलचन्द जी सीहाग - मूर्ति अनावरण

    3 जनवरी 2015 को किसान छात्रावास नागोर में जाट समाज की ओर से किसान जागृति के प्रणेता स्व. मूल चंदजी सिहाग की मूर्ति का अनावरण किया गया। इसके बाद एक करोड़ की लागत से तैयार छात्रावास में नवनिर्मित हाल का लोकार्पण किया । इस अवसर पर नेता प्रतिपक्ष रामेश्वर डूडी, सहकारिता मंत्री अजय सिंह किलक व सांसद सी. आर. चौधरी तथा अन्य गणमान्य नागरिकों के साथ ही मूलचंद जी की पुत्रवधू शायरी देवी उपस्थित थी। (जाट-परिवेश, जनवरी, 2015)

    You can read more about this great personalty on Jatland at http://www.jatland.com/home/Mool_Chand_Siyag
    Laxman Burdak

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  19. #292
    Jat Monuments

    We have compiled information about Jat Monuments at one place here on Jatland for ready reference -

    http://www.jatland.com/home/Jat_Monuments

    Members can expand it and further improve.
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  21. #293
    Subedar Richhapal Ram Lamba

    Subedar Richhapal Ram Lamba (August 20, 1899 - February 12, 1941) was twice the winner of prestigious Victoria Cross award, which is a record of bravery unparallel in Indian Army, the highest and most prestigious award for gallantry in the face of the enemy that can be awarded to British and Commonwealth forces. Richhpal Ram came from Barda in Haryana, serving as a Subedar in the 6th Rajputana Rifles. He was awarded a posthumous VC for the following outstanding acts of courage at Keren, Eritrea. Keren was the scene of the most decisive battle of the war in East Africa in February and March 1941.

    Richhapal Ram is commemorated on the Keren Cremation Memorial.

    Read more at http://www.jatland.com/home/Subedar_Richhapal_Ram_Lamba
    Laxman Burdak

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  23. #294
    Kamalia a city and clan in Pakistan

    Kamalia is a place in the Montgomery district, Pakistan. Kamalia is tahsil in Toba Tek Singh District. About 28 miles (45 km) west of Sahiwal, at Kamalia, is the site of a Malli city captured by Alexander the Great during 325 bc. Pop. (1998) city, 207,388.

    The Rechna Doab was long home to the pastoral Jats, who had constantly maintained a sturdy independence against the successive rulers of northern India. The sites of Kot Kamalia and Harappa contain large mounds of antique bricks and other ruins left by the Indus Valley Civilization, while many other remains of ancient cities or villages lie scattered along the river bank, or dotted the then-barren stretches of the central waste

    Kamalia (कमलिया) Kambalia (कम्बलिया) is Muhammadan Jats in Karnal, Haryana.
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  25. #295
    Koh-e-Mor

    Koh-e-Mor is 250 km. north of Peshawar, Pakistan. Hukum Singh Panwar (Pauria) states:[1] Recently, new light has been thrown on the origin of Chandragupta Maurya. Dr. H.R. Gupta informs that Chandragupta Maurya originally belonged to Koh-e-Mor, 250 km. north of Peshawar commanding the Swat valley beyond the Malkand pass, wherefrom after freeing Panjab from the Greeks, he shifted his parents to Panjab hills, designated his father Sarmor i.e. head of the More tribe and the hill state was later on known as Sarmour after this designation.

    Ref - 1. The Jats:Their Origin, Antiquity and Migrations/An Historico-Somatometrical study bearing on the origin of the Jats, p.139
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  27. #296
    Nisatta


    Nisatta (ancient Nysa of Greeks) is a town of Charsadda District in Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province of Pakistan. At the time of Alexander's invasion it was ruled by Akalphis, a chief of the Aka Jats. H. W. Bellew [1] writes that ... Alexander then entered that part of the country which lies between the two rivers Kophenes and Indus (Kabul and Indus rivers), where Nysa is said to be situated, and on arrival at Nysa (modern Nisatta, on the left bank of the Landi Swat river, near its junction with the Kabul stream) with his army, the citizens sent a deputation headed by Akalphis (perhaps a chief of the Aka tribe of the Naga), beseeching Alexander to leave the liberties of the city entire for the sake of their god Dionysus, and assuring him that Bacchus, having subdued the Indians and determined to return to Greece, built this city as a monument of his victories, and the mountain also which is so near it (Kohi Mor or Kiamur) he would have denominated Merus. From Nysa Alexander moved to the bridge over the Indus, and there passed his army across the river.
    Laxman Burdak

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  29. #297

    Dudiptsar Lake

    Dudiptsar Lake or Dudipat Lake is a lake encircled by snow clad peaks in Lulusar-Dudipatsar National Park.

    Location - The lake lies in the extreme north of the Kaghan Valley, in the Mansehra District, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province, in northern Pakistan.

    Meaning - The word "dudi" means white, "pat" means mountains and "sar" means lake. This name has been given to the lake because of the white color of snow at surrounding peaks. In summer the water of the lake reflects like a mirror. The word "sar" is used with the name of each lake in the area, translating as 'lake.'

    Jat Clan - Dudi
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  31. #298
    Balsamand in Nagaur Rajasthan

    Balsamand is a village in Ladnu tehsil of Nagaur district in Rajasthan.

    History - Lohra Jats as part of the Chauhan Federation founded Balsamand Nagaur and later moved to Balsamand Hisar in 1063 AD.

    Panna Ram Nehra - Teacher (Retired) from Balsamand. His son Somdatt Nehra is A.En. PHE Department. His three grand children are in All India Services: Nidhi Chaudhari (IAS), Praveen Chaudhari (IAS), Vidhi Chaudhari (IPS). (Ref - Jat Parivesh, March-2015)


    Praveen Chaudhary (Nehra), IAS 2013, Gujarat, SDM Kheda, (from Balsamand, Nagaur)


    Vidhi Chaudhary (Nehra) - IPS 2009 batch, Gujarat, DCP Zone 7, Ahmedabad. (from Balsamand, Nagaur)
    Laxman Burdak

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  33. #299
    Good piece of information for which you deserve thanks.
    History is best when created, better when re-constructed and worst when invented.

  34. #300
    Quote Originally Posted by lrburdak View Post
    Dudiptsar Lake or Dudipat Lake is a lake encircled by snow clad peaks in Lulusar-Dudipatsar National Park.

    Location - The lake lies in the extreme north of the Kaghan Valley, in the Mansehra District, Khyber Pakhtunkhwa province, in northern Pakistan.

    Meaning - The word "dudi" means white, "pat" means mountains and "sar" means lake. This name has been given to the lake because of the white color of snow at surrounding peaks. In summer the water of the lake reflects like a mirror. The word "sar" is used with the name of each lake in the area, translating as 'lake.'

    Jat Clan - Dudi
    Laxman ji,

    I would be interested in understanding the process of your derivations arrived at by you in the term 'Dudiptsar' . I thaught the portion "dipt" is integral part of the full term. "pt" perhaps can not yield "pat" if you take it an indic term. HOW "PAT" MEANS MOUNTIN?

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