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    Quote Originally Posted by drskteotia View Post
    sir ji, me aur aap jaante hain lekin duniyan nahin janti. contribute urself in international journals, where joon dahiya mised.
    Friend,

    Thanks for the good suggestion.

    I beg to request you and all other learned JatLanders to throw some light if the following extract from Shri L R Burdak's article on wiki section regarding Jat gotra's has any relevance to the origin of the [[Janghu]] gotra:

    [edit]In Rigveda

    The Rig Veda/Mandala 3/Hymn 58[2] shloka 6 writes about Jahnu as under:
    पुराणमोकः सख्यं शिवं वां युवोर्नरा दरविणं जह्नाव्याम |
    पुनः कर्ण्वानाः सख्या शिवानि मध्वा मदेमसह नू समानाः || [3]
    "Ancient your home, auspicious is your friendship: Heroes, your wealth is with the house of Jahnu.
    Forming again with you auspicious friendship, let us rejoice with draughts of meath together."
    [edit]In Mahabharata

    Adi Parva, Mahabharata/Mahabharata Book I Chapter 94 mentions the History of Puru and of the Pandavas. Jahnu, Jalaand Rupina were born in that of Kesini. Kushikas are the sons of Jahnu of immeasurable prowess. And Riksha who was older than both Jala and Rupina became king. And Riksha begat Samvarana. While Samvarana, the son of Riksha, was ruling the earth, there happened a great loss of people from famine, pestilence, drought, and disease. And the Bharata princes were beaten by the troops of enemies. And the Panchalas setting out to invade the whole earth with their four kinds of troops soon brought the whole earth under their sway. And with their ten Akshauhinis the king of the Panchalas defeated the Bharata prince. Samvarana then with his wife and ministers, sons and relatives, fled in fear, and took shelter in the forest on the banks of the Sindhu extending to the foot of the mountains. There the Bharatas lived for a full thousand years, within their fort.
    ऋक्षं भूमिन्य अथॊ नीली दुःषन्त परमेष्ठिनौ
    केशिन्य अजनयज जह्नुम उभौ च जनरूपिणौ Mahabharata (1.94.28)
    Anusasana Parva/Book XIII Chapter 4 mentions the ancestry of Jahnu as under: In the race of Bharata, a king of the name of Ajamidha, who performed many sacrifices and was the best of all virtuous men. His son was the great king named Jahnu. Ganga was the daughter of this high-minded prince. The farfamed and equally virtuous Sindhudwipa was the son of this prince. From Sindhudwipa sprung the great royal sage Valakaswa. His son was named Vallabha who was like a second Dharma in embodied form. His son again was Kusika who was refulgent with glory like unto the thousand-eyed Indra. Kusika's son was the illustrious King Gadhi who, being childless and desiring to have a son born unto him, repaired to the forest.
    शरूयतां पार्थ तत्त्वेन विश्वामित्रॊ यथा पुरा
    बराह्मणत्वं गतस तात बरह्मर्षित्वं तथैव च Mahabharata(13.4.1)
    भरतस्यान्वये चैवाजमीढॊ नाम पार्थिवः
    बभूव भरतश्रेष्ठ यज्वा धर्मभृतां वरः Mahabharata(13.4.2)
    तस्य पुत्रॊ मना आसीज जह्नुर नाम नरेश्वरः
    दुहितृत्वम अनुप्राप्ता गङ्गा यस्य महात्मनः Mahabharata(13.4.3)
    तस्यात्मजस तुल्यगुणः सिन्धुद्वीपॊ महायशाः
    सिन्धुद्वीपाच च राजर्षिर बलाकाश्वॊ महाबलः Mahabharata(13.4.4)
    वल्लभस तस्य तनयः साक्षाद धर्म इवापरः
    कुशिकस तस्य तनयः सहस्राक्षसमद्युतिः Mahabharata (13.4.5)
    [et]

    Jahnu and River Ganga

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    Rishi Jahnu appears in the story of Ganga and Bhagiratha. When Ganga came to earth after being released from lord Shiva's locks, her torrential waters wreaked havoc with Jahnu's fields and penance. Angered by this, the great sage drank up all of Ganga's waters to punish her. Seeing this, the Gods prayed to the sage to release Ganga, so that she could proceed on her mission to release the souls of the ancestors of Bhagiratha. Jahnu relented and he released Ganga from his ear. For this, the Ganga river is also known as Jahnvi, Janhavi or Jhanvi, meaning "daughter of Jahnu".''

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    Rajpalji

    Samvarana the descendant of Janhu then with his wife and ministers, sons and relatives, fled in fear, and took shelter in the forest on the banks of the Sindhu extending to the foot of the mountains. There the Bharatas lived for a full thousand years, within their fort.

    The above description gives hints about migration. If we can find a country and language in which 'g' is silent then both Janghu and Janhu become same. And this is not impossible.
    Laxman Burdak

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    Quote Originally Posted by lrburdak View Post
    Rajpalji

    Samvarana the descendant of Janhu then with his wife and ministers, sons and relatives, fled in fear, and took shelter in the forest on the banks of the Sindhu extending to the foot of the mountains. There the Bharatas lived for a full thousand years, within their fort.

    The above description gives hints about migration. If we can find a country and language in which 'g' is silent then both Janghu and Janhu become same. And this is not impossible.
    You are right Burdakji. The important clue needs further exploration.

    Thanks

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    Origin of Janghu Jat clan

    [Wiki]Anusasana Parva/Book XIII Chapter 4[/Wiki] gives ancestry and family tree of Viswamitra, a Kshatriya, but the founder of a race of Brahmanas. In this chapter after a few generations of Janhu we get name of Jangha in the family tree of Janhu. Shloka 51 writes about Jangha -

    कर्ण जङ्घश च भगवान गालवश च महान ऋषिः
    ऋषिर वज्रस तथाख्यातः शालङ्कायन एव च Mahabharata (XIII.4.51), (XIII.4),


    According to Hukum Singh Pauria (p.15) this region refers to the Ur dynasty, a section of the Kusas or Kusikas, who belonged and ruled over Ur, Nuppur and Sus in Mesopotamia.

    All names of Rishis Jangha, Galava, Vajra and Shalankayan can be considered to be originator of some Jat clans.

    It is simple to become Janghu from Jangh (जङ्घ). From this description we get a clue about migration of Janghu people from Sumeria.
    Last edited by lrburdak; April 23rd, 2012 at 03:07 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lrburdak View Post
    Origin of Janghu Jat clan

    Anusasana Parva/Book XIII Chapter 4 gives ancestry and family tree of Viswamitra, a Kshatriya, but the founder of a race of Brahmanas. In this chapter after a few generations of Janhu we get name of Jangha in the family tree of Janhu. Shloka 51 writes about Jangha -

    कर्ण जङ्घश च भगवान गालवश च महान ऋषिः
    ऋषिर वज्रस तथाख्यातः शालङ्कायन एव च Mahabharata (XIII.4.51), (XIII.4),


    According to Hukum Singh Pauria (p.15) this region refers to the Ur dynasty, a section of the Kusas or Kusikas, who belonged and ruled over Ur, Nuppur and Sus in Mesopotamia.

    All names of Rishis Jangha, Galava, Vajra and Shalankayan can be considered to be originator of some Jat clans.

    It is simple to become Janghu from Jangh (जङ्घ). From this description we get a clue about migration of Janghu people from Sumeria.
    Thanks Burdakji,

    Very significant link. We shall keep up our search to arrive at some convincing thesis.

    Hope that more interesting and informative posts would follow from history lovers on the topic in succeeding days.

    Regards

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    Quote Originally Posted by lrburdak View Post
    Origin of Janghu Jat clan

    Anusasana Parva/Book XIII Chapter 4 gives ancestry and family tree of Viswamitra, a Kshatriya, but the founder of a race of Brahmanas. In this chapter after a few generations of Janhu we get name of Jangha in the family tree of Janhu. Shloka 51 writes about Jangha -

    कर्ण जङ्घश च भगवान गालवश च महान ऋषिः
    ऋषिर वज्रस तथाख्यातः शालङ्कायन एव च Mahabharata (XIII.4.51), (XIII.4),


    According to Hukum Singh Pauria (p.15) this region refers to the Ur dynasty, a section of the Kusas or Kusikas, who belonged and ruled over Ur, Nuppur and Sus in Mesopotamia.

    All names of Rishis Jangha, Galava, Vajra and Shalankayan can be considered to be originator of some Jat clans.

    It is simple to become Janghu from Jangh (जङ्घ). From this description we get a clue about migration of Janghu people from Sumeria.

    Burdakji,

    The derivation of the word Janghu from 'Jangh' seems illogical as well as improper,

    in view of the fact that 'Jangh' is a part of body and the majority of the Jat clan names or

    gotra names have been derived from the names of the great persons/places.


    I have come across the following reference on 'Jahnavi' in the Rigveda:

    A Jahnavi is mentioned twice in the Rigveda [RV 1.116,19; III, 58, 6].

    The word 'Jahnavi' may either refer to the wife of Jahnu or

    as Sayana thinks, it [Jahnavi refers to ] the race of Jahnu.

    This shows that the family must clearly once have been a great race,

    which later merged in the Bharatas. [cited from Keith, Vedic Index of Names and Subjects, 'King Jahnu', Vol. 1, p. 280-81].

    If it could be further investigated/elucidated to find out. if at all, it has anything to do with or related to

    Jahnu/Janoo/Janghu/Jangoo gotras of the Jats which seem to have the same root or origin in remote

    past and their spread in separate places at different times might have had led to different pronunciation

    of their original name, it could perhaps solve the mystery !!!

    Thanks.
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    Rajpalji, Jangha (जङ्घ) referred in the shloka is name of a Rishi. And Janghas (जङ्घश) is ploural and means descendants of Jangha Rishi. It is not part of the body.
    Laxman Burdak

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    Quote Originally Posted by lrburdak View Post
    Rajpalji, Jangha (जङ्घ) referred in the shloka is name of a Rishi. And Janghas (जङ्घश) is ploural and means descendants of Jangha Rishi. It is not part of the body.
    Thanks Burdakji,

    And what about the reference of the Rigvedic King Jahnu as quoted in the above post by me.

    Has it any connection or not with the origin of this gotra.

    Thanks and regards
    Last edited by DrRajpalSingh; June 1st, 2013 at 09:05 AM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by drskteotia View Post
    a big question Sir. Jats are not found after ganges/chambal in east and after indus in west. that does not mean that jats nvr ruled that area. british/moughul ruled india but how many of them are found here?
    A very nice point Dr. Tewatia. Where do we find "Jats"? and Why there?

    Why not deep inside present day India?
    Why are we shrinking "once we were from Central Asia, Afghanistan all the way upto North Western India". Within few hundred years "Jats" are becoming just "door man" sitting at a chair in-front of some wealthy person.
    Why and who are trying to erase this history?
    When it comes to maintaining "Law and order" or securing borders of present day India, India needs Jats and other such communities. Otherwise they are all left to dust.

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    We take up both the posts together:

    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    A very nice point Dr. Tewatia. Where do we find "Jats"? and Why there?

    Why not deep inside present day India?
    Why are we shrinking "once we were from Central Asia, Afghanistan all the way upto North Western India". Within few hundred years "Jats" are becoming just "door man" sitting at a chair in-front of some wealthy person.
    Why and who are trying to erase this history?
    When it comes to maintaining "Law and order" or securing borders of present day India, India needs Jats and other such communities. Otherwise they are all left to dust.
    And

    Quote Originally Posted by drskteotia View Post
    a big question Sir. Jats are not found after ganges/chambal in east and after indus in west. that does not mean that jats nvr ruled that area. british/moughul ruled india but how many of them are found here?
    According to studies, Jats are not only found in the area demarcated by Dr. Tewatia

    but are also found in considerable numbers in Iraq Iran Egypt and other central Asian

    countries. But they can only be recognised by conducting anthropological studies

    as has been done by a German couple a few years ago in the region included in

    Afghanistan and Iran.

    Yes, they are occupying the most fertile tract of Indo-Gangetic plains in the

    Indian sub-continent. After possession of this tract, they seem to have

    decided not to leave this prized area for comparatively less fertile regions

    in those days. Later on, they clung to this area with tenacity, dedication

    and patriotic zeal and accomplice heroic acts in its defence against the

    invaders over the years.


    Under the present socio-economic milieu they are also facing hardships

    in earning their bread and butter but, their position is not as miserable as to force them

    to become : ''just "door man" sitting at a chair in-front of some wealthy person.''


    The migration/immigration is a continued phenomenon of history and none can deny it.

    Thanks.
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    The history of the 'Jahanu' tribe is mixed in the epic with the history of 'Visvamitra'.

    Here he is represented as a king, who becomes a Brahmin.

    It seems that more than one Visvamitra lived in ancient times.

    In Rigveda 'Visvamitras' are mentioned in several passages and are also designated as a family by the term Kusikas.

    Nirukta calls his father, Kusika, a king;

    The Aitaryey Brahmana refers to Sunahsepa as succeeding to the lordship of the Jahnus.

    [cited from Vedic Index........., pp.310-312]


    In view of the above references from the ancient literature,

    the identification of Jahnu tribe and their initial ruler,

    instead of solving the issue makes it more jumbled and complicated.

    Could anyone suggest some more references to remove the haze !!!

    Thanks
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    Quote Originally Posted by lrburdak View Post
    Rajpalji, Jangha (जङ्घ) referred in the shloka is name of a Rishi. And Janghas (जङ्घश) is ploural and means descendants of Jangha Rishi. It is not part of the body.
    Dear Mr Burdak,
    It seems that u are a man of education, yet u tend to give example which are totally irrelevant and out of context, nothing personal here, but i feal cheated, when i see a learned and educated person say things like this.

    Please, come out of the web of this mythological and folklore based stories. Human life is same as it has been for thousands of years, it is a constant struggle. So let us not fill false information in our own history. Let us come out of this false existence which has dominated existence of north west India for centuries and which has literally made every person corrupt to the core.

    It is time we make our society based on science, history and progress.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    We take up both the posts together:



    And



    According to studies, Jats are not only found in the area demarcated by Dr. Tewatia

    but are also found in considerable numbers in Iraq Iran Egypt and other central Asian

    countries. But they can only be recognised by conducting anthropological studies

    as has been done by a German couple a few years ago in the region included in

    Afghanistan and Iran.

    Yes, they are occupying the most fertile tract of Indo-Gangetic plains in the

    Indian sub-continent. After possession of this tract, they seem to have

    decided not to leave this prized area for comparatively less fertile regions

    in those days. Later on, they clung to this area with tenacity, dedication

    and patriotic zeal and accomplice heroic acts in its defence against the

    invaders over the years.


    Under the present socio-economic milieu they are also facing hardships

    in earning their bread and butter but, their position is not as miserable as to force them

    to become : ''just "door man" sitting at a chair in-front of some wealthy person.''


    The migration/immigration is a continued phenomenon of history and none can deny it.

    Thanks.
    "Under the present socio-economic milieu they are also facing hardships

    in earning their bread and butter but, their position is not as miserable as to force them

    to become : ''just "door man" sitting at a chair in-front of some wealthy person.''


    Dr. Janghu, this is the case that is happening to many villages and people who were not supported by some institution. One of the main reasons being "complete illiteracy, lack of knowledge of money utilization that a farmer gets from selling the land and other such factors which is an ongoing happening due to the changes in society and economics of the country.
    Last edited by maddhan1979; June 2nd, 2013 at 02:02 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lrburdak View Post
    Rajpalji, Jangha (जङ्घ) referred in the shloka is name of a Rishi. And Janghas (जङ्घश) is ploural and means descendants of Jangha Rishi. It is not part of the body.
    Dear Mr. Burdak,
    We should come out of this mythological and religious view imposed on people as "Children of Rishi".

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    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    "Under the present socio-economic milieu they are also facing hardships

    in earning their bread and butter but, their position is not as miserable as to force them

    to become : ''just "door man" sitting at a chair in-front of some wealthy person.''


    Dr. Janghu, this is the case that is happening to many villagers and people who were not supported by some institution. One of the main reasons being "complete illiteracy, lack of knowledge of money utilization that a farmer gets from selling the land and other such factors which is an ongoing happening due to the changes in society and economics of the country.
    Friend,

    The new generation in tandem with the seniors must accept the challenge of the new situation and face the changing milieu !

    They must not utilise the land compensation in non productive activities;

    save something to avoid the unforeseeable emergency of funds in the hour of need in future.

    Thanks
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    kuldevi of jangu jat

    could anyone please tell me about kuldevi of jangu jat.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dinesh30 View Post
    could anyone please tell me about kuldevi of jangu jat.
    jangu जाटों की कुलदेवी जयपुर में 'आमेर की माता' होनी चाहिए। पर मैं श्योर नहीं हूँ।
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    Quote Originally Posted by dinesh30 View Post
    could anyone please tell me about kuldevi of jangu jat.
    Friend,

    A warm welcome as new member of the site with this first post !

    In Haryana there is no kuldevi/kuldevta of Janghu Jats other than their ancestors or traditional Hindu gods/goddesses.

    About your village, you can share your views.

    Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rajpaldular View Post
    jangu जाटों की कुलदेवी जयपुर में 'आमेर की माता' होनी चाहिए। पर मैं श्योर नहीं हूँ।
    Not at all ! We are hearing this name for the first time !
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