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  1. #121
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Replace "J" with "Y", in the following "Yin and Yang"


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yin_and_yang

    Banjara theory anyone?


    Banjara in linguistic chronology is new, although it has much older roots

  2. #122
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Replace "J" with "Y", in the following "Yin and Yang"


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yin_and_yang

    The word "Yan", has also been used in religious significance in mythologies of India. This could very well be a case of religion using identities and words from migrating tribes as has happened throughout the world

  3. #123
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Replace "J" with "Y", in the following "Yin and Yang"


    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yin_and_yang

    Yin and Yang could also be symbolic presentation of two very different culture and societies. The comparison is between night and day, darkness and sunlight, etc. This could also mean war between two different civilizations. As this is a "Traditional Chinese", concept, it could very well have its roots in ancient tribes living in ancient China, Mongolia, central Asia, Siberia, etc. Ancient tribal migration from the north and their struggle with the southern kingdoms could have been depicted in this form. Light could have depicted these tribes and the darkness could have depicted the southern tribes. This could very depict two very different civilizations in ancient times.

  4. #124
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Yin and Yang could also be symbolic presentation of two very different culture and societies. The comparison is between night and day, darkness and sunlight, etc. This could also mean war between two different civilizations. As this is a "Traditional Chinese", concept, it could very well have its roots in ancient tribes living in ancient China, Mongolia, central Asia, Siberia, etc. Ancient tribal migration from the north and their struggle with the southern kingdoms could have been depicted in this form. Light could have depicted these tribes and the darkness could have depicted the southern tribes. This could very depict two very different civilizations in ancient times.
    It is interesting to see that word "Tao", is only present in few communities in northwestern area's of Indian subcontinent.

    Interestingly another word for "Tao", is "Dao", or "Tao", is spelled as "Dao", is another point.
    Last edited by maddhan1979; February 6th, 2017 at 05:55 AM.

  5. #125
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    Yin and Yang could also be symbolic presentation of two very different culture and societies. The comparison is between night and day, darkness and sunlight, etc. This could also mean war between two different civilizations. As this is a "Traditional Chinese", concept, it could very well have its roots in ancient tribes living in ancient China, Mongolia, central Asia, Siberia, etc. Ancient tribal migration from the north and their struggle with the southern kingdoms could have been depicted in this form. Light could have depicted these tribes and the darkness could have depicted the southern tribes. This could very depict two very different civilizations in ancient times.
    Darkness and light could also be representation of two different cultures that of nomads and people doing agriculture. While the early agriculturists representing Sun and the nomads representing Moon

  6. #126
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    It is interesting to see that word "Tao", is only present in few communities in northwestern area's of Indian subcontinent

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taoism

  7. #127
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/History_of_Taoism


    hmmm,,,,so, the date goes back to 4th and 3rd century BC,,,,,


    So, the time stated seem to be connected with ancient tribes of central Asia, Mangolia, Siberia, China, etc.
    Last edited by maddhan1979; November 7th, 2016 at 09:10 AM.

  8. #128
    Shantanu Ji how do you relate with Janghu Jay clan ?
    Last edited by lrburdak; November 8th, 2016 at 11:04 PM.
    Laxman Burdak

  9. #129
    It seems that word "Tao", came with 4th century "Scythian invasion", while this is the one word which is present from out of India inform of family relationship as well.

    No other word of ancient origin in form of family relationship is present in present day language.

    Now there is a father of Tao.

    Which for sure is not "Dada", as this word seems to coming from religious/ Indian origins and not linguistic or ancient origins i.e. BC context.

    The word "Dada", does not seem to go beyond Himalayan range and seems to connected to Indian religious context.

    Whereas "Tao", seems to have more ancient origins.

    This might show difference between religion context and ancient migration context.
    Last edited by maddhan1979; July 3rd, 2017 at 06:32 PM.

  10. #130
    We can see that word "Tao", has carried on in its purest form, but the words which might be similar are not true, rather a case of integrating native tribes, to form bigger alliance.

    This example can be see from ancient stories like "Ramayana", which show two different characteristics, one a person from south of India, who is a king and learned Priest and another a roaming person searching for his lost wife.

    Stories like "Ramayana", is an example of war/clash between two different civilizations.
    Last edited by maddhan1979; November 7th, 2016 at 11:31 AM.

  11. #131
    The word "Janghu", seem to be coming from IndoEuropean roots of ancient tribes living in ancient Eurasia.

  12. #132
    Interesting, how close are the words:

    Jen, Yuan, Jan, Yan

    Spoken form comes first. Does this have to do anything with ancient history,migrations and traveling of tribes?
    Last edited by maddhan1979; November 16th, 2016 at 06:14 AM.

  13. #133
    The word seems to be "Jan Hun", which is also spelled as "Yan Hun", in ancient tribal context "Hunnish", people were horse riding nomads of Eurasia. While in religious context "Yan", means an Aeroplane. It can again be a case of religion using identity of migrating tribes to create new identities and myths.

  14. #134
    Quote Originally Posted by maddhan1979 View Post
    We can see that word "Tao", has carried on in its purest form, but the words which might be similar are not true, rather a case of integrating native tribes, to form bigger alliance.

    This example can be see from ancient stories like "Ramayana", which show two different characteristics, one a person from south of India, who is a king and learned Priest and another a roaming person searching for his lost wife.

    Stories like "Ramayana", is an example of war/clash between two different civilizations.
    "Tao", does not seem to be "Rao", lot of words which are not in their original form might have been made to connect with local tribes/other tribes.

  15. #135
    Lot of the things that have been talked about might not be in knowledge or view of people in the reference//history/linguistic context etc., as India is a country heavily influenced by religion and money power. It is good to understand history in scientific and archaeological view

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  17. #137

    Jangha word by Panini

    V. S. Agrawala [1] writes that Administrative Officers in Panini included Duta – The Dūta or emissary was named after the country to which he was deputed. The term Pratishkasha also denoted a messenger. Couriers were called Jaṅghākara (III.2.21), corresponding to Jaṅghārika of Kautilya (Arth, II.1, p.46) .

    Reference 1. V. S. Agrawala :India as Known to Panini, p. 410
    Laxman Burdak

  18. #138
    Quote Originally Posted by lrburdak View Post
    V. S. Agrawala [1] writes that Administrative Officers in Panini included Duta – The Dūta or emissary was named after the country to which he was deputed. The term Pratishkasha also denoted a messenger. Couriers were called Jaṅghākara (III.2.21), corresponding to Jaṅghārika of Kautilya (Arth, II.1, p.46) .

    Reference 1. V. S. Agrawala :India as Known to Panini, p. 410
    Seem to be one of the outdated works. Lot of such works that have been written on Indian history(including references) are not as ancient as the tribal migration dates that have been proved through archaeology and science, It is also a known fact that Indian subcontinent has been heavily influenced by religious thought process.
    Last edited by maddhan1979; March 31st, 2017 at 08:57 PM.

  19. #139
    Shantanu ji here you forget that V S Agrawal is a reputed authority and writing on India as known to Panini. Panini lived in 6th century BC. What ancient reference older than this do you have ?
    Laxman Burdak

  20. #140
    Quote Originally Posted by lrburdak View Post
    Shantanu ji here you forget that V S Agrawal is a reputed authority and writing on India as known to Panini. Panini lived in 6th century BC. What ancient reference older than this do you have ?
    What is the date of the oldest published manuscript that is stored in a library/archives, etc. and in which library is it stored?
    Last edited by maddhan1979; April 2nd, 2017 at 06:20 PM.

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