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कुछ समय पहले एक पुस्तक में कोट की हुई पंक्ति पढ़ी। उसमें लिखा था, 'जाट एक जाति नहीं विचारधारा है।' सहमती हुई इस पंक्ति से। इस विचारधारा में छिपे एक जुझारूपन को हमेशा महसूस किया। कुछ कर गुजरने की ख्वाहिश, बेहद मेहनती होने की लालसा, सपनों को पूरा करने के लिए जी-तोड़ मेहनत को तैयार और दिलेर किस्म के जाट बंधुओं से हुई मुलाकातों में यह सब खूबियां मुझे नजर आई।
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Cheers
Jit
.. " Until Lions have their historians, tales of the hunt shall always glorify the hunter! " ..
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bilkul shai kha hai...... jat ek alag rutba ek alag ahsas...... hum me jo khubiya hai use barkar rakhna hoga .. thabhi aage yah rutba kayam rahega..
deshi-jat (January 25th, 2012)
More or less applies to most of us:
दिलेर
उदार ह्रदय
सीधी स्पष्ट बात कहने वाला
भावुकता में बह कर काम करने वाला
भुर भूरे स्वभाव का
स्वाभिमानी जो कभी कभी अहंवाद और दंभ की सीमा तक चला जाता है
गुस्से की अधिकता
सब्र की कमी
Originally Posted by cooljat
cooljat (January 25th, 2012), Dagar25 (January 25th, 2012), drkarminder (January 29th, 2012), neetu21 (January 25th, 2012), rajneeshantil (January 25th, 2012), rana1 (January 28th, 2012), ravinderjeet (January 28th, 2012), sukhbirhooda (January 25th, 2012), vishalsunsunwal (January 25th, 2012)
Friend,
Perhaps you are enumerating racial characteristics of the Jats and not their ideology and thoughts (VICHARDHARA).
Thanks
I saw on discovery channel also "ideology and thoughts" depend on your genes.
1.Meflan-ch jatt di pichaan wakhree (indeed).
2.Upon knowing the ultimate truth, the foolish become wise, and the wise become silent.
ashishsehrawat9 (January 26th, 2012), DrRajpalSingh (January 25th, 2012)
Sir,
I think they overlap a lot and affect each other in many ways.
जाट महान
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बेगानों में वफ़ा की तलाश ना कर ‘साहिल’,
तेरे तो अपने भी अक्सर बेवफा निकलते हैं l
cooljat (January 25th, 2012), DrRajpalSingh (January 25th, 2012)
Friend,
You are right.
But my idea was to exhort the participants to bring the ideological issues enunciated by the great Jats of the yore come alive by means of this thread to make it more meaningful discussion.
Regards
Friend,
It would be our pleasure to learn more on the issue if you agree to enlighten us about the Ideology and Thoughts of the Jats as you visualise on the basis of the genes of the Jats.
Regards
Right Sir neither jat is a cast(category/class) nor jat is a vichaardhara...
JAT is an ethnic group these are the properties of our genes as told by vikda...
vichardhara har aadmi ki alag hoti hai....
bhagat singh ki vichardhara kuch or thi jabki usi time pe bhot se jat police main nokri bhi karte the..
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..ideology and thoughts are acquired features of an individual..these are not inherited through genes..genes control the physical attributes of an individual..
..i new born is not preoccupied with thoughts and ideology...he acquires it during his psychosocial development through various stages of life..
..I.D, ego and superego are the three factors that develope in us from birth nd are controlled by social environment around us..
.. so, u grow up by feeling and learning the things arond you..the way ur parents hv brought you up nd the society in which u live...genes never tag anybody as jat (other than physical features..)
..this way u become jat,baniyas ,brahmins nd this way ur ideology and thoughts differ....
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We judge ourselves by what we feel capable of doing, while others judge us by what we have already done
deshi-jat (January 28th, 2012), KuldeepTeotia (January 29th, 2012), ravinderjeet (January 29th, 2012), ygulia (January 29th, 2012)
i think we should use the word "nature" rather than ideolgy or thoughts of jats.Ideology and thoughts are connected with what u have learned from ur surrounding and exposure u get throughout ur life..
nature is connected with ur gens(ur etnicity.)..
jat happens to be more unpartial in there thoughts and this is thre nature..thought could be on any issue...
Friend,
To my mind, you are discussing racial characteristics or features which make the Jat what he is today.
Thanks.
10.3 BHAGAT SINGH'S IDEOLOGYA careful analysis of Bhagat Singh's ideology is very important in order tounderstand his political activities and convictions. Socialist thought had definitelyinfluenced his thinking. The writings of Marx, Lenin, Trotsky and many othersocialist writers impressed his ideological convictions greatly.10.3.1 The Defence of AtheismBhagat Singh's political thought finds its expression in three of his writings as well asnumerous statements he made during trial. In an interesting article captioned "Why1am an Atheist" he tried to explain away his differences with other revolutionarieswho became devout and God-fearing in their prison life. Tracing his own evolutibrifrom theism to atheism, Bhagat Singh tells us how he started questioning theexistence of God in his college days. As he started to study arguments to refute thenotions of the believers he lost much of his romantic ideas about terrorism andbecame a realist."No more mysticism, no more blind faith. Realism became our cult. Use of forcejustifiable when resorted to as a matter of terrible necessity; non-violence as policyindispensable for all mass movements. So much about methods."Bhagat Singh pointed out that the transition that took place in him was due to thestudy of Bakunin, Marx, Lenin and Trotsky.book, 'Common sense' by NirlambaSwami in which a sort of mystic atheism was preached also influenced his ideas.When he was first arrested in 1927, the police wanted to get information from himabout the Kakori Case. They threatened to hang him and asked him to say his lastprayers. He found after much thought that he had no inclination to pray and thussurvived the first test in atheism.Bhagat Singh in this article did not deny that God is a strong anchor to give courageand consolation to the condemned prisoner. But he thought that it required greatercourage to make greatest sacrifice without a desire for reward in this life or the lifeafter death.He refuted the charge made by some of his colleagues that it was vanityon his part to deny the existence of God. He writes:"The day we find a great number of men and women with this psychology who cannot devote themselves to anyting else than the service of mankind andof the suffering humanity; that day shall inagurate the era of liberty ... Is the pride intheir noble cause to be misinterpreted as vanity? ... Let us forgive him for he can notrealize the depth, the emotion the sentiment and the noble feelings that surge in thatheart ... self reliance is always liable to be interpreted as vanity. It is sad and miserablebut there is no help."Bhagat Singh considered criticism and independent thinking as the "twoindispensable qualities of the revolptionary." For him no man is so great as to beabove criticism. He considered it as a mark of servile mentality. He was prepared toconcede the use of faith and belief as a way of explaining away the environment. Inthe absence of direct proof, the philosophers of religion have found various ways,toexplain away things, contributing diversity of religious ideas and correspondingbeliefs and practices."Where direct proofs are lacking, philosophy occupies the important place. As 1 havealready stated, a certain revolutionary friend used to say that philosophy is theoutcome of human weakness when our ancestors had leisure enough to try to solveout the mystery of this world, its past, present and the future, its whys andwherefores, they having been terribly short of direct proofs, everybody tried to solvethe problem in his own way. Hence,we find the wide differences in the fundamentalsofirarious religious creeds, which sometimes assume very antagonistic and conflicting&apes."Bhagat Singh's argument against all faiths is that they have lost the probing andexperimental attitudes which had been the hallmark of those original thinkers. Thosewho followed them accepted every word they uttered as revealed truthand stoppedthinking for themselves. As a result of this every religion and every sect has sufferedstagnation and decay. Thus religion has come in the way of human progress."Any man who stands for progress has to criticise, disbelieve and challenge everyitem of the old faith."It is reason and reason alone which should be made a test to find out what is worthwhile to be preserved in religion. He found out that the faith in God as Almighty,Omnipresent, Omniscient, and Omnipotent is essentially an irrational belief.Christianity and Islam have no answers to the arguments as to why God created theworld of woes and miseries. If it is to derive pleasure out of human misery, then Godmust be compared with such abominable figures as Nero or Changez Khan. TheHindus have attributed the sufferings in the present life as punishment of sinscommitted in the past life. But they have no answer as to why the Omnipotent Godhas not made man so perfect as to keep away from sins. Bhagat Singh's reasoningtold him that there is no supreme being to control the destiny of human beings. ManBhagatdonot know whether in my case belief in God and offering of daily prayers which1consider to be most selfish and degraded act on the part of man, can prove to behelpful or they shall make my case worse stlll. I have read of atheists facing alltroubles quite boldly, so 1 am trying to stand like a man with an erect head to thelast; even on the gallows. '
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drkarminder (January 29th, 2012)
..I hv this pamhlet "WHY I AM AN ATHEIST" with me written by saheed-e-aazm bhagat singh when he was in jail...
..i hv read it many times..nd after reading that i can say he was more than a revolutionary...
..his thinking was diffrent and well beyond that time,he was very fearless, clear nd sharp in his thinking....
..excellent thoughts....i m highlighting sm of my favourite lines from that pamhlet..
...You go against popular feelings; you criticise a hero, a great man who is generally believed to be above criticism. What happens? No one will answer your arguments in a rational way; rather you will be considered vainglorious. Its reason is mental insipidity. Merciless criticism and independent thinking are the two necessary traits of revolutionary thinking. As Mahatmaji is great, he is above criticism; as he has risen above, all that he says in the field of politics, religion, Ethics is right. You agree or not, it is binding upon you to take it as truth. This is not constructive thinking. We do not take a leap forward; we go many steps back...
As regard the origin of God, my thought is that man created God in his imagination when he realized his weaknesses, limitations and shortcomings. In this way he got the courage to face all the trying circumstances and to meet all dangers that might occur in his life and also to restrain his outbursts in prosperity and affluence. God, with his whimsical laws and parental generosity was painted with variegated colours of imagination. He was used as a deterrent factor when his fury and his laws were repeatedly propagated so that man might not become a danger to society. He was the cry of the distressed soul for he was believed to stand as father and mother, sister and brother, brother and friend when in time of distress a man was left alone and helpless. He was Almighty and could do anything. The idea of God is helpful to a man in distress.
One of my friends asked me to pray. When informed of my atheism, he said, “When your last days come, you will begin to believe.” I said, “No, dear sir, Never shall it happen. I consider it to be an act of degradation and demoralisation. For such petty selfish motives, I shall never pray.” Reader and friends, is it vanity? If it is, I stand for it.
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We judge ourselves by what we feel capable of doing, while others judge us by what we have already done
Bhagat Singh's last petitionTo
The Punjab Governor
Sir,
With due respect we beg to bring to your kind notice the following:
That we were sentenced to death on 7th October 1930 by a British Court, L.C.C Tribunal, constituted under the Sp. Lahore Conspiracy Case Ordinance, promulgated by the H.E. The Viceroy, the Head of the British Government of India, and that the main charge against us was that of having waged war against H.M. King George, the King of England.
The above-mentioned finding of the Court pre-supposed two things:
Firstly, that there exists a state of war between the British Nation and the Indian Nation and, secondly, that we had actually participated in that war and were therefore war prisoners.
The second pre-supposition seems to be a little bit flattering, but nevertheless it is too tempting to resist the desire of acquiescing in it.
As regards the first, we are constrained to go into some detail. Apparently there seems to be no such war as the phrase indicates. Nevertheless, please allow us to accept the validity of the pre-supposition taking it at its face value. But in order to be correctly understood we must explain it further. Let us declare that the state of war does exist and shall exist so long as the Indian toiling masses and the natural resources are being exploited by a handful of parasites. They may be purely British Capitalist or mixed British and Indian or even purely Indian. They may be carrying on their insidious exploitation through mixed or even on purely Indian bureaucratic apparatus. All these things make no difference. No matter, if your Government tries and succeeds in winning over the leaders of the upper strata of the Indian Society through petty concessions and compromises and thereby cause a temporary demoralization in the main body of the forces. No matter, if once again the vanguard of the Indian movement, the Revolutionary Party, finds itself deserted in the thick of the war. No matter if the leaders to whom personally we are much indebted for the sympathy and feelings they expressed for us, but nevertheless we cannot overlook the fact that they did become so callous as to ignore and not to make a mention in the peace negotiation of even the homeless, friendless and penniless of female workers who are alleged to be belonging to the vanguard and whom the leaders consider to be enemies of their utopian non-violent cult which has already become a thing of the past; the heroines who had ungrudgingly sacrificed or offered for sacrifice their husbands, brothers, and all that were nearest and dearest to them, including themselves, whom your government has declared to be outlaws. No matter, it your agents stoop so low as to fabricate baseless calumnies against their spotless characters to damage their and their party's reputation. The war shall continue.
It may assume different shapes at different times. It may become now open, now hidden, now purely agitational, now fierce life and death struggle. The choice of the course, whether bloody or comparatively peaceful, which it should adopt rests with you. Choose whichever you like. But that war shall be incessantly waged without taking into consideration the petty (illegible) and the meaningless ethical ideologies. It shall be waged ever with new vigour, greater audacity and unflinching determination till the Socialist Republic is established and the present social order is completely replaced by a new social order, based on social prosperity and thus every sort of exploitation is put an end to and the humanity is ushered into the era of genuine and permanent peace. In the very near future the final battle shall be fought and final settlement arrived at.
The days of capitalist and imperialist exploitation are numbered. The war neither began with us nor is it going to end with our lives. It is the inevitable consequence of the historic events and the existing environments. Our humble sacrifices shall be only a link in the chain that has very accurately been beautified by the unparalleled sacrifice of Mr. Das and most tragic but noblest sacrifice of Comrade Bhagawati Charan and the glorious death of our dear warrior Azad.
As to the question of our fates, please allow us to say that when you have decided to put us to death, you will certainly do it. You have got the power in your hands and the power is the greatest justification in this world. We know that the maxim "Might is right" serves as your guiding motto. The whole of our trial was just a proof of that. We wanted to point out that according to the verdict of your court we had waged war and were therefore war prisoners. And we claim to be treated as such, i.e., we claim to be shot dead instead of to be hanged. It rests with you to prove that you really meant what your court has said.
We request and hope that you will very kindly order the military department to send its detachment to perform our execution.
Yours'
BHAGAT SINGH
drkarminder (January 30th, 2012)
He was a true jat in his ideology..free from all kind of social spacts...and had bravery to live-up and promote his original thinking...
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