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    Let us Discuss What is History

    Friends, For the past few months a very interesting and enjoyable discussion is going on the pages of JatLand.com on various facets of Indian culture, civilization and history. It is very significant to note that we are trying to put our own point of view or hypothesis to prove it or to disapprove the other persons point of view without quoting historical data on the issue involved. This leads us nowhere. Would it not be good if we first of all let everyone know, according to your perception, what really is history and how does it differ from fiction. Yes, your valuable opinions, views, points of agreement and disagreement on this topic are invited.

    Come Join Us through this thread and contribute to enable us to understand clearly what history is and how it is written and commented upon; what are its impacts, uses and abuses and so on and so forth!

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    For me, History is the information about the past. The civilization, the people, incidents, wars, changes, the reason behind those events, date wise sequence of those events and the outcome of those events. Each and everything supported by the Facts and Figures.
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    Mathematically: History = Itihas = It so happened
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    As per my understanding, history is the story of the mankind and civilization of the past.
    Yoginder Gulia

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    Though writing of human history could mean a sequence or chronology of events, with the passage of time it becomes a mixture of myths, perceptions, notions and realities. The heroes of yesteryears could be remembered as villains and today’s great personalities could possibly be termed as traitors or a gang of mafia. History is written by winners of wars, not losers. Human memory is very short and, in today’s world, it is rather easy to mould the public mind by a series and repetitions of misinformation. For example, America of today has a huge propaganda machinery, using mass electronic and print media world-wide. If this machinery continues its propaganda, for example against a single nation, the world attention is diverted and the truth simply hides behind the curtain. Hitler had well said that if a lie is repeated for one hundred times, it automatically converts into truth. Writers of history are also human beings and they cannot remain unaffected from such propaganda machinery, both written and verbal.

    Hitler and Stalin were heroes of yesterday, today they are villains. It is also possible that tomorrow Gandhi may be termed as greatest traitor (in fact many have started calling him like that).

    Mahabharata, no doubt, is a historical episode. But 100 sons of Queen Gandhari, Droupadi having five husbands, Krishna’s lifting the mountain – are all myths. But common man treats these stories as real happenings.

    Time is the real Hero, the undefeatable ! It may also bury the languages in which history is written. Today we are writing on paper which has short life-span. In the past, history was also written on stones, copper-plates etc. These also get into oblivion with the passage of time !

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    Friends,

    Your all posts are to the point and shed light on various dimensions of history. We hope to hear from other fellow JatLanders in the subsequent discussion. Yes, we hope and wish they join us to share their perception of history.

    Regards

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    I am not good at history. As far as I believe, history is something which binds the society. Here, I wish to share Dr. Subramanian Swamy's talk regarding identity of India.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbt8Lt0khl0


    Its bit long talk. One day, I had discussion with friends on the same. They interpreted him biased in favor of Hindus. But, personally, I didn't find that thing in entire speech. He was simply saying that our unity is in danger. We need to get an ideology for the nation like USA and others have. That will help people to stand united for the nation.

    I leave it to your individual wisdom to interpret his words.
    Last edited by bazardparveen; February 27th, 2012 at 09:17 AM.

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    Generally, a soldier and a jat is good at creating history rather than writing or commenting on history, however, in brief History is a record/account of past event/incidents, mostly influenced by the writer and the governing/administrative authorities, generally actual happening over looked due to some interest of some one/authority. It is a study of past events, must be very carefully interpreted/assessed/analised.

    I totally agree with the views of mr Dayanand Deswal,

    Dr sahab how about DS solution means your views on the subject please.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lrburdak View Post
    Mathematically: History = Itihas = It so happened
    Generally, history is available as it was written/presented, not correctly so happened

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    In indian context, History is misrepresentation of facts by the Bengali brahmin Historians. They distorted the facts and give a very false image of our history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fateh View Post
    Generally, history is available as it was written/presented, not correctly so happened
    Dear Friend,

    Very good point of view.

    Kindly quote distortions to substantiate your hypothesis to prove that it did not haappen as it is presented.

    Regards

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    Quote Originally Posted by dahiyavijay7 View Post
    In indian context, History is misrepresentation of facts by the Bengali brahmin Historians. They distorted the facts and give a very false image of our history.
    Dear Dahiya Sahib,

    Please share specific examples of the facts distorted by the allegedly 'Bengali Brahmin Historians.' I bet you will be doing a great service to the nation by setting history in the true form as it happened.

    Hope to see you shortly on this thread through your valued comments and with regards.

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    Dear Kharab Sahib,

    I welcome your comments but I could not understand fully what do you want to convey: "Dr sahab how about DS solution means your views on the subject please."

    Please further throw some light and oblige.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    Friends, For the past few months a very interesting and enjoyable discussion is going on the pages of JatLand.com on various facets of Indian culture, civilization and history. It is very significant to note that we are trying to put our own point of view or hypothesis to prove it or to disapprove the other persons point of view without quoting historical data on the issue involved. This leads us nowhere. Would it not be good if we first of all let everyone know, according to your perception, what really is history and how does it differ from fiction. Yes, your valuable opinions, views, points of agreement and disagreement on this topic are invited.

    Come Join Us through this thread and contribute to enable us to understand clearly what history is and how it is written and commented upon; what are its impacts, uses and abuses and so on and so forth!
    HISTORY: Healthy Information in the form of a story
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    Quote Originally Posted by bazardparveen View Post
    I am not good at history. As far as I believe, history is something which binds the society. Here, I wish to share Dr. Subramanian Swamy's talk regarding identity of India.


    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xbt8Lt0khl0


    Its bit long talk. One day, I had discussion with friends on the same. They interpreted him biased in favor of Hindus. But, personally, I didn't find that thing in entire speech. He was simply saying that our unity is in danger. We need to get an ideology for the nation like USA and others have. That will help people to stand united for the nation.

    I leave it to your individual wisdom to interpret his words.
    Dear friend,

    very interesting issues have been raised by you regarding the uses of history but Dr. S Swamy's talk is not history but contemporary commentary on the issues involved in politics. Therefore it is suggested that after the storm is over on the contemporary issues, events and personalities and all records involved in all this gamut are thrown open, then only they could be analysed and put to use in writing the historical account. Till then, it cannot be called history.

    Regards

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    [QUOTE=dndeswal....... Hitler and Stalin were heroes of yesterday, today they are villains. It is also possible that tomorrow Gandhi may be termed as greatest traitor (in fact many have started calling him like that).

    Mahabharata, no doubt, is a historical episode. But 100 sons of Queen Gandhari, Droupadi having five husbands, Krishna’s lifting the mountain – are all myths. But common man treats these stories as real happenings. ....[/QUOTE]

    Deswal Sahib,

    You deserve congratulations for raising several very interesting issues regarding sources, history, historians and gave suitable examples randomly chosen from various countries of the globe which give an insight of your deep knowledge of the subject being discussed.

    It requires a marathon discussion and vast knowledge. As a student of history, according to my humble understanding, the period of Hitler, Stalin and for that matter Mahatma Gandhi is not that distant as could be objectively analysed because of so many people being alive out of those who had talked and walked in person with them and also that bits of information about them is coming out even now and then. Their name is even today used or abused by not few but a large number of people throughout the world. This puts the trio in the category of contemporary important persons whose objective evaluation is still to come. At that time, they may be treated as heroes or otherwise who knows. Therefore, we must wait till the dust of contemporary politics sets down.

    It is universally agreed that Mahabharata War is a historical episode and several persons, places and events mentioned in the epic have been identified with the help of archaeological and literary evidence.

    But the compilation of the events took several hundreds of years and the present book Mahabharata became an epic. That is why, there are many unbelievable narrations that have polluted the historical narrative.

    I will turn to other issues in subsequent posts to share my point of view with you all.

    Regards.
    Last edited by DrRajpalSingh; February 27th, 2012 at 09:37 PM. Reason: spelling correction

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prikshit View Post
    HISTORY: Healthy Information in the form of a story
    Dear Prikshit,

    Beautiful rhythmic post.

    But it is wrong to juxtapose the two as history and story are poles apart; history first depends on healthy and unhealthy both sort of sources to arrive at some generalisations and then starts critical evaluation of the information at the hands of so many minds involved. Story may or may not depend upon historical narratives but history can never be based solely on stories.

    Regards
    Last edited by DrRajpalSingh; February 27th, 2012 at 09:33 PM. Reason: spelling correction

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    Quote Originally Posted by Prikshit View Post
    HISTORY: Healthy Information in the form of a story
    History can be treated as a story but a story can not be treated as History. Fact and Fiction are two totally different terms.
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    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    Dear Prikshit,

    Beautiful rhythmic post.

    But it is wrong to juxtapose the two as history and story are poles apart; history first depends on healthy and unhealthy both sort of sources to arrive at some generalisations and then starts critical evaluation of the information at the hands of so many minds involved. Story may or may not depend upon historical narratives but history can never be based solely on stories.

    Regards
    Healthy in the sense it is good to know, generally told in the form of a story.
    -- Freedom is not worth having if it does not include the freedom to make mistakes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Prikshit View Post
    Healthy in the sense it is good to know, generally told in the form of a story.
    Thanks for correcting me.

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