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  1. #61
    guruji my post was simple indication towards one thing. which u have missed. Arjun was only JAT among them? what about others pandavs/kauravs?


    however its a very challanging research..historians are still struggling about whether Mahabharat is a Myth or a Reality? 'No one is stupid here, it was just a smiley'.


    Regards,
    AP

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  3. #62
    Quote Originally Posted by anilphogat View Post
    guruji my post was simple indication towards one thing. which u have missed. Arjun was only JAT among them? what about others pandavs/kauravs?


    however its a very challanging research..historians are still struggling about whether Mahabharat is a Myth or a Reality? 'No one is stupid here, it was just a smiley'.
    Regards,
    AP
    Friend,

    Views and counter point of views are the tools of research so in this section devoted to serious debate on historical data on various topics solid reference based data is expected not 'just a smiley' as the latter attempt derails the serious discussion.

    Even then, you have your right of free expression and use it as you deem fit.

    Thanks

  4. #63
    I quote a para from book [Wiki]An Inquiry Into the Ethnography of Afghanistan[/Wiki],p.152

    By H. W. Bellew

    "Major Biddulph says that the Burishki (Khajuna of Dr. Leitner) is believed to be of the Turanian family ; in this connection it would be worth while to compare it with the language spoken by the Kachin of Manipur and the Assam frontier, who are supposed to descend from the Pandu through Arjuna, though it is more likely that they are — together with our Kachin or Khachin of Afghanistan — really Naga. The aboriginal inhabitants of Kashmir and the mountainous country to its north were of the Naga race, and the name may survive in the above modern Nagar district."
    Laxman Burdak

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  6. #64
    Quote Originally Posted by lrburdak View Post
    I quote a para from book An Inquiry Into the Ethnography of Afghanistan,p.152

    By H. W. Bellew

    "Major Biddulph says that the Burishki (Khajuna of Dr. Leitner) is believed to be of the Turanian family ; in this connection it would be worth while to compare it with the language spoken by the Kachin of Manipur and the Assam frontier, who are supposed to descend from the Pandu through Arjuna, though it is more likely that they are — together with our Kachin or Khachin of Afghanistan — really Naga. The aboriginal inhabitants of Kashmir and the mountainous country to its north were of the Naga race, and the name may survive in the above modern Nagar district."
    The earlier ''supposition" of their descend from Arjuna/Pandava has been replaced with ''more likely'' theory! This is mere fancy not history as no source has been quoted either to deny the earlier view or to support the new hypotheses.

  7. #65
    Yayati used to practise the Jat ( [Wiki]Scythian[/Wiki] ) custom, " Jathera ". Emperor Yayati, who was one of the ancestors of the Pandavas, venerated his ancestors with intense devotion. ( Source : C. Rajagopalachari : Mahabharata (45th edition), page 30. )
    Last edited by Moar; September 30th, 2012 at 09:30 AM.

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  10. #67
    Quote Originally Posted by Moar View Post
    Was Arjun ( अर्जुन ) a 'Parthian' MassaGetae (Great Jat) King !!

    Sri Krishna often used to refer Arjun as " O PARTH ! ". Does that means the One from PARTHIA ?!

    Just like We refer to any guy from Afghanistan as 'Afghan'.

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    Please note that Arjuna ( अर्जुन ) successfully meets the qualities of being a Scythian ('archer') / Skythian ('archer') / Sacae ('archer') / Sakâ ('archer') / Skythai ('archer') / Sai ('archer') / Skudat ('archer') !!

    Agreed . Horse sacrificing was also a Scythian custom .
    Check this Post .

    http://www.jatland.com/forums/showth...hians-in-India


    there are Lot of other ways to see history . this article will highlight many similar events .

    At-least Some History by Non Obsessed Aryan /Scythia Lovers .

  11. #68
    Quote Originally Posted by vivekkaliyar View Post
    Agreed . Horse sacrificing was also a Scythian custom .
    Check this Post .

    http://www.jatland.com/forums/showth...hians-in-India


    there are Lot of other ways to see history . this article will highlight many similar events .

    At-least Some History by Non Obsessed Aryan /Scythia Lovers .
    NO, he was an Indian as quoted in an earlier post that according to C Rajgopalachari, he was descendant of Yayati.

    The link for log in given in the post does not support that Scytheians came to India in Pre-historic times.

    Arjuna has been addressed as 'Parth' not 'Parthian' in the Srimadbhagvadgita?

    Kindly avoid deriving unfounded similarity of a name to other like sounded name or its derivative because it does not show convincing relation between the migration or immigration.

    Thanks.
    Last edited by DrRajpalSingh; November 8th, 2012 at 04:25 PM.

  12. #69
    Quote Originally Posted by vivekkaliyar View Post
    Agreed . Horse sacrificing was also a Scythian custom .
    Check this Post .

    http://www.jatland.com/forums/showth...hians-in-India


    there are Lot of other ways to see history . this article will highlight many similar events .

    At-least Some History by Non Obsessed Aryan /Scythia Lovers .
    Horse sacrifice was not unique to Central Asia

    Ashwamedha( horse sacrifice) was well known in the Indian sub continent.


    The practice could just as well have spread out to central Asia from the subcontinent.

    Food for thought: The so called Scythians did not know themselves as Scythians, or call themselves Scythians .

    Why then do some Jats insist on describing themsleves as Scythians?


    Ravi Chaudhary

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  14. #70
    Quote Originally Posted by ravichaudhary View Post
    Horse sacrifice was not unique to Central Asia

    Ashwamedha( horse sacrifice) was well known in the Indian sub continent.


    The practice could just as well have spread out to central Asia from the subcontinent.

    Food for thought: The so called Scythians did not know themselves as Scythians, or call themselves Scythians .

    Why then do some Jats insist on describing themsleves as Scythians?


    Ravi Chaudhary
    Friends, pay attention, please, to the Food for thought quoted above[bold mine]. Thanks

  15. #71
    If history can not be hijacked then can you explain the following:
    - why all the kings have been shown as kshatriyas and not jats - eg, Harshawardhan as jat ruler, Mauryas as jats, Porus as Jat ruler, Pandavas as jats, Krishna as Jat - the list is endless.
    - It is a fact that history has been twisted by deliberately hiding certain facts.

    I am yet to read in any of the NCERT books or indian authors' (no-jats) books where they have indicated at least one dynasty as a jat dynasty. Guptas were jats and a french historian says so but not indians.

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  17. #72
    Quote Originally Posted by DrRajpalSingh View Post
    None can hijack history as history is not such an article or thing as could be hijacked by someone or the other.

    I have been reading and teaching history for the last so many years and found no hijacking of history of any region, nation or the world history by any one.

    Some distortion have had crept in NCERT books which have been brought to the notice of the concerned authorities and it is hoped the distortions would be rectified.
    Thanks.
    If history can not be hijacked then can you explain the following:
    - why all the kings have been shown as kshatriyas and not jats - eg, Harshawardhan as jat ruler, Mauryas as jats, Porus as Jat ruler, Pandavas as jats, Krishna as Jat - the list is endless.
    - It is a fact that history has been twisted by deliberately hiding certain facts.

    I am yet to read in any of the NCERT books or indian authors' (no-jats) books where they have indicated at least one dynasty as a jat dynasty. Guptas were jats and a french historian says so but not indians.

  18. #73
    Quote Originally Posted by shrikrishna View Post
    If history can not be hijacked then can you explain the following:
    - why all the kings have been shown as kshatriyas and not jats - eg, Harshawardhan as jat ruler, Mauryas as jats, Porus as Jat ruler, Pandavas as jats, Krishna as Jat - the list is endless.
    - It is a fact that history has been twisted by deliberately hiding certain facts.

    I am yet to read in any of the NCERT books or indian authors' (no-jats) books where they have indicated at least one dynasty as a jat dynasty. Guptas were jats and a french historian says so but not indians.
    Friend,

    There is difference between hijacking and discrepancies, which we must keep in mind while studying history books.

    Do you think that Jats were not Kshtriyas? They were and are 'Kshtriyas'.

    What do you thing about K.P. Jayaswal who says that Gupta ruling dynasty belonged to Dharana Gotra Jats? Was Jaiswal not an Indian Historian and non-Jat historian? He was both an Indian and at the same time non Jat Historian.

    For further reference to Dharana Gotra of the Imperial Guptas and reference to Prabhavati daughter of Samudragupta, see, Majumdar R.C. and Altekar, A.S; Vakataka-Gupta Age, p. 131; IHQ. Vol. XI, 1935, pp.325ff.; Epigraphy Indica Vol. XV, p. 39; Dasharatha Sharma, Journal Bengal Royal Asiatic Society, vol. XXII, p.27; and also Imperial History of India.

    Therefore, we must desist from making generalisations without support of sources at our command. We must develop also the habit of acknowledging the contribution of the historians [not as Jats or non Jats] on the basis of the merit of their research work and not on the basis of this caste or that caste or Indian or foreigner. OK.

    It would be good if we could contribute some concrete evidence hitherto unknown to the historians, if any in our possession on any of the kings you refer to in the post under reference, through the pages of jatland. com so that in due course of time the distortions and abberations could be removed and the gaps filled in the history of India in general and the contribution of the Jats in it in particular.



    Thanks and regards

  19. #74
    Quote Originally Posted by shrikrishna View Post
    I.

    I am yet to read in any of the NCERT books or indian authors' (no-jats) books where they have indicated at least one dynasty as a jat dynasty. Guptas were jats and a french historian says so but not indians.
    See :

    e: [JatHistory] Dharan Gupt Jats- and NCERT Textbooks


    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JatHistory/message/4663

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  21. #75
    Quote Originally Posted by ravichaudhary View Post
    See :

    e: [JatHistory] Dharan Gupt Jats- and NCERT Textbooks


    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JatHistory/message/4663
    बहुत ही अछि बात हे । शायद इतिहासकार , इतिहास में जट्टों को , सच्चाई पर आधारित उचित स्थान दें।
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    हक़ मांगने से नहीं मिलता , छिना जाता हे |
    अहिंसा कमजोरों का हथियार हे |
    पगड़ी संभाल जट्टा |
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  23. #76
    Quote Originally Posted by ravichaudhary View Post
    Horse sacrifice was not unique to Central Asia

    Ashwamedha( horse sacrifice) was well known in the Indian sub continent.


    The practice could just as well have spread out to central Asia from the subcontinent.

    Food for thought: The so called Scythians did not know themselves as Scythians, or call themselves Scythians .

    Why then do some Jats insist on describing themsleves as Scythians?


    Ravi Chaudhary
    Ok sir!..we don't go in BC just talk about AD. ..Scythians and Hunas who attacked India from North west in this era and built a big empire here..did they vanish like a fart or just assimilated with the native population..(you will get lot of references about them in your favorite puranas)..if they assimilated who are there modern representatives ..Let us consider here they are hybrid but who are they?.. can you please elaborate on this?
    Become more and more innocent, less knowledgeable and more childlike. Take life as fun - because that's precisely what it is!

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  25. #77
    Quote Originally Posted by prashantacmet View Post
    Ok sir!..we don't go in BC just talk about AD. ..Scythians and Hunas who attacked India from North west in this era and built a big empire here..did they vanish like a fart or just assimilated with the native population..(you will get lot of references about them in your favorite puranas)..if they assimilated who are there modern representatives ..Let us consider here they are hybrid but who are they?.. can you please elaborate on this?
    If you wish to engage and enter into a serious discussion with others on this board, could I suggest you use appropriate language.

    Could I suggest you edit your post to edit out the objectionable language.

    Ravi Chaudhary

  26. #78
    Quote Originally Posted by ravichaudhary View Post
    See :

    e: [JatHistory] Dharan Gupt Jats- and NCERT Textbooks


    http://groups.yahoo.com/group/JatHistory/message/4663
    Ravi Chaudhary,

    Really big change and Good News.

    But from the study of the link it is not clear if the author had been commissioned by the NCERTto author the book and if the book has been published by NCERT or any State Education Boards/ or is it published by Private Publishing house i.e. Saraswati Publications, Delhi and recommended by some Board/NCERT.

    Could you explain it by sharing the contents of the book under your possession, please.

    Thanks and regards.

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  28. #79
    Quote Originally Posted by shrikrishna View Post
    If history can not be hijacked then can you explain the following:
    - why all the kings have been shown as kshatriyas and not jats - eg, Harshawardhan as jat ruler, Mauryas as jats, Porus as Jat ruler, Pandavas as jats, Krishna as Jat - the list is endless.
    - It is a fact that history has been twisted by deliberately hiding certain facts.

    I am yet to read in any of the NCERT books or indian authors' (no-jats) books where they have indicated at least one dynasty as a jat dynasty. Guptas were jats and a french historian says so but not indians.

    Rather than complaining, please continue to take an interest in getting more knowledgeable on the subject.As you get more knowedgeable, you will enjoy the subject more ,and participate and contribute more.

    That will enhance our efforts to get a correct and appropriate history of our people, into the manistream.

    Good luck

    Ravi Chaudhary

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  30. #80
    Rajpalji, If you go to page - [Wiki]Dharan[/Wiki] on Jatland We have given complete details of the book and copy of the page containing details of Dharan Jats.

    National Council for Educational Research and Training ( NCERT) textbook in Hindi, for Class 11, Bharat ka Ithihaas - Prachin evam Madhyakalin (भारत का इतिहास-प्राचीन एवं मध्यकालीन) , by Dr. Kuldeep Raj Deepak, Published by Saravasti House Pvt Ltd, Educational Publishers, 3649 Chawri Bazaar Delhi 110 006
    Laxman Burdak

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